BBC’s second-rate Jockvision is not worth licence fee Iain Macwhirter
on BBC Scotland Add your own review...IT'S THE little things about BBC Scotland that tell you all you need to know. The way Jeremy Paxman repeatedly crashes the junction between the UK Newsnight and its Scottish "opt-out", forcing Newsnight Scotland to stagger uncertainly on air as if it doesn't know what time it is. Hitting junctions is largely what presenters are paid for, and the fact no-one tells Paxo to fulfil his job description shows just how little clout Scotland has in our "One BBC".
There is a quality to BBC Scotland output that says "second rate". It has a lot to do with subliminal factors, such as the lighting of BBC Scotland programmes, which is often flat and harsh. It gives the output a distinctive "regional" feel, which is helped by the inattention to basic production values. Last time I did an interview on BBC Holyrood Live - which I used to present - I discovered they had sacked their make-up lady.
That may not seem all that important - why flatter the vanity of politicians and hacks anyway? But an hour-long studio-based television programme without any make-up is not television - it is something else, something BBC Scotland has made its own: Jockvision, the benchmark of broadcast mediocrity. At the very least it betrays an astonishing lack of concern about how BBC Scotland programmes look.
This doesn't happen by accident, and it isn't the fault of the people making the programmes, many of whom are dedicated beyond reason. It is a structural issue; to do with BBC's budgeting and editorial policy. It is all about Scotland's place in the corporation and keeping it there. BBC Scotland is made to look regional - it doesn't happen by accident. I presented BBC Scotland political programmes for many years, and share the blame for their mediocrity. But when you know what goes on in there, you realise how the system works. The programmes were deliberately made to a lower standard than their London "network" equivalents.
Scottish viewers loathe what they see on screen because it makes them feel bad. There's metropolitan orthodoxy that "provincial" Scots lack the talent. This is said quite openly by media folk such as Michael Grade of ITV, who told a conference last year that the reason there weren't more programmes made in Scotland was because Scotland just couldn't make them of sufficient quality. But there is nothing in the gene pool that makes Scots bad at TV - most of the media in London is run by Scots. The real question is why Scots broadcasters are there and not here.
In the 1990s, I presented Westminster Live, a low-budget vehicle for televising parliament, but low budget means something very different in London. In 1999, I came to Holyrood to present the equivalent programmes from the Scottish parliament. The staffing was less than half that of its Westminster counterpart, there was no dedicated graphics output and it was broadcast from a radio studio. Well, I was told, Scotland has a tenth of the population so we get a tenth of the budgets. This was absurd, and I said so. Why should programmes from the Scottish parliament be made to an inferior standard to shows from Westminster? The answer was: "Well, nobody's watching and the bosses don't care so why should we."
This air of cynical resignation is prevalent throughout BBC Scotland, and it is getting worse. Morale in the organisation is lower than I can ever remember. Anyone who can is getting out. Radio Scotland is becoming so dumbed down it is losing the capacity for speech. BBC Scotland has retreated in fear from the new constitutional agenda and the questions posed by a nationalist government.
The only thing BBC Scotland seems interested in is promoting Gaelic through the launch of the first Gaelic television channel next year. This is admirable, but no substitute for proper English language broadcasting.
BBC Scotland has been a running sore in Scottish society for as long as I can remember. But at last there is a changed political environment since last May's Holyrood elections. A bomb has been put under the shiny bottoms and cultural cliques at Pacific Quay.
The Scottish Broadcasting Commission under former BBC head of news and current affairs, Blair Jenkins, has finally given Scots a chance to say what they think about their television, and focus their thoughts about what a national broadcasting service should do.
On Tuesday evening the Sunday Herald is sponsoring an event with the Scottish Broadcasting Commission at St Andrews in the Square, Glasgow, titled Democracy and Broadcasting: Is Scotland Being Served?, to explore how BBC Scotland should be responding to cultural and constitutional change. In the six months or so since it was set up, the Scottish Broadcasting Commission has already delivered important changes. After revealing how the BBC had failed to honour its responsibility to commission network programmes from Scotland, the director-general himself, Mark Thompson, came north to promise a tripling of network commissions. This £40 million will help revive Scotland's moribund broadcasting sector.
But it's not just a question of getting a better share of the budget. It is about how Scotland is revealed in its own media. The cultural importance of broadcasting is immense - it is how a nation talks to itself. And we cannot go on contributing so much money in our licence fees for such a poor representation of our national life; for the absurdity of having supposedly "national" news bulletins and current affairs
programmes like Newsnight dominated by stories about English education, English health, hospital trusts, grammar schools and London transport.
The BBC has completely failed to come to terms with devolution and failed to register the new constitutional priorities. Scotland's subordinate status is embedded in the very architecture of the programmes, and the 15-minute opt-out from Newsnight is a constant source of irritation.
BBC Scotland suffers from a toxic combination of inadequate funding, poor morale and leadership failure. It is, I am afraid, a function of the increasing "localisation" of non-metropolitan broadcasting. At a time when the commercial stations are retreating from public service broadcasting altogether, the BBC is more important than ever.
The principle of "One BBC" is supposed to unite the people of the UK in one common television family, but everything the BBC does confirms the suspicion Scotland is the poor relation. It's time for BBC Scotland to grow up.
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Posted by: viewer on 10:43pm Sat 3 May 08
well media people keep wanting to be ruled from London -- so what do you expect
well media people keep wanting to be ruled from London -- so what do you expect
Posted by: Kadok, West End on 10:46pm Sat 3 May 08
Ken Maquarrie should resign now. He is the type of Highlander who would have bent his knee to the laird and lit the match for the sherrif officer.
Ken Maquarrie should resign now. He is the type of Highlander who would have bent his knee to the laird and lit the match for the sherrif officer.
Posted by: paul h, fife on 10:52pm Sat 3 May 08
[bold]Superb[/bold] article, I feel your anger Ian, and quite simply I, along with millions of others, could not agree more. I'm hoping for a robust report from the commission and, despite the 'reserved' status, for action from the government- without westminster, or labour, obstruction.
The BBC is the subject of the article, but we shouldn't forget about all the countless other channels- none of which are Scottish- who take money in return for advertising goods and services to Scotland. We are let down just as much, if not more, by them.
Superb article, I feel your anger Ian, and quite simply I, along with millions of others, could not agree more. I'm hoping for a robust report from the commission and, despite the 'reserved' status, for action from the government- without westminster, or labour, obstruction.
The BBC is the subject of the article, but we shouldn't forget about all the countless other channels- none of which are Scottish- who take money in return for advertising goods and services to Scotland. We are let down just as much, if not more, by them.
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 10:53pm Sat 3 May 08
I had an argument with someone that phoned because i wasn't paying my licence fee. He told me not paying it was no different to going out and knifing someone. Load of b*lls if you ask me. The quality of programmes are so not worth the money and i didn't see why i should pay it when i didn't watch the beeb.
I had an argument with someone that phoned because i wasn't paying my licence fee. He told me not paying it was no different to going out and knifing someone. Load of b*lls if you ask me. The quality of programmes are so not worth the money and i didn't see why i should pay it when i didn't watch the beeb.
Posted by: viewer on 10:56pm Sat 3 May 08
don't know much about mcquarrie but there does seem to be a bland mold there
who was boss before him and before him all with branch office obedience
don't know much about mcquarrie but there does seem to be a bland mold there
who was boss before him and before him all with branch office obedience
Posted by: John Saultire, Scotland on 11:00pm Sat 3 May 08
What is the Scottish Government doing about this? Don't tell me the powers are reserved to Westminster? They are? Devolution needs more teeth! [bold]BETTER STILL ...INDEPENDENCE,[/bold]
What is the Scottish Government doing about this? Don't tell me the powers are reserved to Westminster? They are? Devolution needs more teeth!
BETTER STILL ...INDEPENDENCE, Posted by: Andy, Scotland on 11:07pm Sat 3 May 08
I am afraid the main point here is that the heading of this article sums it up. BBC is not worth the licence fee. Whether it is here in Scotland or elsewhere this is yet another tax to far. We are taxed to the hilt and it needs to stop. The BBC should be commercialised and this stealth tax should be abolished.
I am afraid the main point here is that the heading of this article sums it up. BBC is not worth the licence fee. Whether it is here in Scotland or elsewhere this is yet another tax to far. We are taxed to the hilt and it needs to stop. The BBC should be commercialised and this stealth tax should be abolished.
Posted by: Tam Glen, the but n ben on 11:13pm Sat 3 May 08
Iain is now saying what most folk have known for years.The BBC is not worth a penny. Its all just "we canna dae it" from start to finish.
Iain is now saying what most folk have known for years.The BBC is not worth a penny. Its all just "we canna dae it" from start to finish.
Posted by: John Leven, Leven Fife on 11:15pm Sat 3 May 08
Ian
The thing about the English Broadcasting Corporation that annoys me the most is the fact that I cannot legally own a TV set in Scotland unless I paid Broons TV tax for this rubbish.
At £139 per year am I getting value for money, no I along with all Scots an getting ripped off.
Ian
The thing about the English Broadcasting Corporation that annoys me the most is the fact that I cannot legally own a TV set in Scotland unless I paid Broons TV tax for this rubbish.
At £139 per year am I getting value for money, no I along with all Scots an getting ripped off.
Posted by: Jwil, Lanarkshire on 11:15pm Sat 3 May 08
I agree about the links. I have given BBC Scotland the benefit of the doubt regarding the links between Glasgow and London and between their own news items, putting it down to unfamiliarity with their shiny new equipment at Pacific Quay and that they would need a running-in period to get used to it. But still the bad transitions go on, along with the missing captions, the offset camera shots, the unavailable news clips the loss of synchronisation between picture and voice. Also, the unfunny, in-house jokes between the news readers along with the annoying animation (arm waving and finger stabbing) of the presenters. If you tied their arms down some of them would be struck dumb! Andrew Marr used to have the same problem when he was delivering live political reports from Westminster. I am sure they fixed him by putting a ball and chain on each arm and raising the camera to show only his head and chest.
However, all these irksome problems pale into insignificance beside the unadulterated bias in the political articles.
I agree about the links. I have given BBC Scotland the benefit of the doubt regarding the links between Glasgow and London and between their own news items, putting it down to unfamiliarity with their shiny new equipment at Pacific Quay and that they would need a running-in period to get used to it. But still the bad transitions go on, along with the missing captions, the offset camera shots, the unavailable news clips the loss of synchronisation between picture and voice. Also, the unfunny, in-house jokes between the news readers along with the annoying animation (arm waving and finger stabbing) of the presenters. If you tied their arms down some of them would be struck dumb! Andrew Marr used to have the same problem when he was delivering live political reports from Westminster. I am sure they fixed him by putting a ball and chain on each arm and raising the camera to show only his head and chest.
However, all these irksome problems pale into insignificance beside the unadulterated bias in the political articles.
Posted by: nouveauxscum on 11:27pm Sat 3 May 08
300 million in licence fees going dahn sarf - less than one third comes back to BBC Scotchland.
Yep, lets continue to be happy with a slice off naff all.
300 million in licence fees going dahn sarf - less than one third comes back to BBC Scotchland.
Yep, lets continue to be happy with a slice off naff all.
Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 11:36pm Sat 3 May 08
Mr Macwhirter, this has been going on for years in many walks of Scottish life controlled by London. You have gone along with it for years.
Still a late conversion is better than never.
Note how often EBC Scotland newsreaders wear black - please pay attention to this. It is no accident.
Note how David Robertson says "tha-sunds" or "F-eye-ff".
Note how Jackie Bird no longer proclaims the 6:30 pm news as "your national news".
They are a shameful bunch of spineless toadies in the BBC. Thank goodness their broadcasting lifespan is short. Time for a change!
Mr Macwhirter, this has been going on for years in many walks of Scottish life controlled by London. You have gone along with it for years.
Still a late conversion is better than never.
Note how often EBC Scotland newsreaders wear black - please pay attention to this. It is no accident.
Note how David Robertson says "tha-sunds" or "F-eye-ff".
Note how Jackie Bird no longer proclaims the 6:30 pm news as "your national news".
They are a shameful bunch of spineless toadies in the BBC. Thank goodness their broadcasting lifespan is short. Time for a change!
Posted by: Andrew BOD, Aberdeen on 11:36pm Sat 3 May 08
Great article IM.
It's refreshing to hear the truth from someone who's been there. We are just another region in the eyes of the BBC.
Great article IM.
It's refreshing to hear the truth from someone who's been there. We are just another region in the eyes of the BBC.
Posted by: Aquila, Lochaber on 11:42pm Sat 3 May 08
Good article as usual Iain. However what you imply but don't express directly is that the BBC is there to support the Union. This is the vehicle that the Metropolitan cognacenti employ to ensure that sophisticated London is head and shoulders above everybody else. Scotland is a region and not a country as far as the BBC is concerned. Unfortunately the couthy product of STV/Grampian is even worse.
Good article as usual Iain. However what you imply but don't express directly is that the BBC is there to support the Union. This is the vehicle that the Metropolitan cognacenti employ to ensure that sophisticated London is head and shoulders above everybody else. Scotland is a region and not a country as far as the BBC is concerned. Unfortunately the couthy product of STV/Grampian is even worse.
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 11:45pm Sat 3 May 08
Listen MacWhirter and listen good. The BBC is crawling with lefties, liberals, vegatarians and limp wristed metrosexuals . It spouts out a diet of biased, multicultural crapp. 24 hours a day. 7 days a week. An SNP supporter working at the BBC is about as rare as an Eskimo walking down Sauchiehall street. The BBC is more like the Islamic TV Channel Al Jazeera stuffed with ethnics reading the news and it cost's us £2.5Billlion for this unaccountable, over rated meglomainic tv station. The BBC should be privatised. Then that liebour, shrill, screeeching, bansheee Kirsty Wark would be out of a job. End of story.
Listen MacWhirter and listen good. The BBC is crawling with lefties, liberals, vegatarians and limp wristed metrosexuals . It spouts out a diet of biased, multicultural crapp. 24 hours a day. 7 days a week. An SNP supporter working at the BBC is about as rare as an Eskimo walking down Sauchiehall street. The BBC is more like the Islamic TV Channel Al Jazeera stuffed with ethnics reading the news and it cost's us £2.5Billlion for this unaccountable, over rated meglomainic tv station. The BBC should be privatised. Then that liebour, shrill, screeeching, bansheee Kirsty Wark would be out of a job. End of story.
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 11:45pm Sat 3 May 08
Listen MacWhirter and listen good. The BBC is crawling with lefties, liberals, vegatarians and limp wristed metrosexuals . It spouts out a diet of biased, multicultural crapp. 24 hours a day. 7 days a week. An SNP supporter working at the BBC is about as rare as an Eskimo walking down Sauchiehall street. The BBC is more like the Islamic TV Channel Al Jazeera stuffed with ethnics reading the news and it cost's us £2.5Billlion for this unaccountable, over rated meglomainic tv station. The BBC should be privatised. Then that liebour, shrill, screeeching, bansheee Kirsty Wark would be out of a job. End of story.
Listen MacWhirter and listen good. The BBC is crawling with lefties, liberals, vegatarians and limp wristed metrosexuals . It spouts out a diet of biased, multicultural crapp. 24 hours a day. 7 days a week. An SNP supporter working at the BBC is about as rare as an Eskimo walking down Sauchiehall street. The BBC is more like the Islamic TV Channel Al Jazeera stuffed with ethnics reading the news and it cost's us £2.5Billlion for this unaccountable, over rated meglomainic tv station. The BBC should be privatised. Then that liebour, shrill, screeeching, bansheee Kirsty Wark would be out of a job. End of story.
Posted by: nouveauxscum on 11:48pm Sat 3 May 08
[quote][bold]Duns Scotus[/bold] wrote:
Mr Macwhirter, this has been going on for years in many walks of Scottish life controlled by London. You have gone along with it for years. Still a late conversion is better than never. Note how often EBC Scotland newsreaders wear black - please pay attention to this. It is no accident. Note how David Robertson says "tha-sunds" or "F-eye-ff". Note how Jackie Bird no longer proclaims the 6:30 pm news as "your national news". They are a shameful bunch of spineless toadies in the BBC. Thank goodness their broadcasting lifespan is short. Time for a change![/quote] A keen eye and lug Duns...not keen enough though...
Have you noticed Jackie's SNP frown has now morphed into a "smile please" shock stare?
One more for the bag, just for a laff...cor blimey...
Ever noticed how BBC Scotchland News outside broadcast units manage to find more English people per head of Scotchland persons to interview? Watch and see...
Duns Scotus wrote:
Mr Macwhirter, this has been going on for years in many walks of Scottish life controlled by London. You have gone along with it for years. Still a late conversion is better than never. Note how often EBC Scotland newsreaders wear black - please pay attention to this. It is no accident. Note how David Robertson says "tha-sunds" or "F-eye-ff". Note how Jackie Bird no longer proclaims the 6:30 pm news as "your national news". They are a shameful bunch of spineless toadies in the BBC. Thank goodness their broadcasting lifespan is short. Time for a change!
A keen eye and lug Duns...not keen enough though...
Have you noticed Jackie's SNP frown has now morphed into a "smile please" shock stare?
One more for the bag, just for a laff...cor blimey...
Ever noticed how BBC Scotchland News outside broadcast units manage to find more English people per head of Scotchland persons to interview? Watch and see...
Posted by: Solomon, Sterling on 11:50pm Sat 3 May 08
Radio Scotland used to be a breath of fresh air, but ever since the SNP spoilt the Broons party,they (BBC Scotland)have changed.
The masters from Westminster are pulling the strings, you can hear the discomfort in their voices and see the misery on their faces.
This is the BBC of The world wars!
Radio Scotland used to be a breath of fresh air, but ever since the SNP spoilt the Broons party,they (BBC Scotland)have changed.
The masters from Westminster are pulling the strings, you can hear the discomfort in their voices and see the misery on their faces.
This is the BBC of The world wars!
Posted by: Oscar on 11:51pm Sat 3 May 08
Having attended one of the Broadcast Commissions err roadshows. I was struck by just how many of my fellow participants find the portrayal of Scots through the national media (mostly BBC) as being grossly offensive.
When a little old granny proclaims that any Scot she ever notices on telly is either a drunk, a junkie, stupid, a gangster, violent or a killer, you have to sit up and notice and wonder why that is.
Having attended one of the Broadcast Commissions err roadshows. I was struck by just how many of my fellow participants find the portrayal of Scots through the national media (mostly BBC) as being grossly offensive.
When a little old granny proclaims that any Scot she ever notices on telly is either a drunk, a junkie, stupid, a gangster, violent or a killer, you have to sit up and notice and wonder why that is.
Posted by: Grassy Knollington on 11:56pm Sat 3 May 08
This article has a "bears crap in the woods " quality for many of us Iain.
The political news output from BBC Scotland is so appallingly biased that at times it's like reading/watching enemy propaganda.
I still get a warm glow when I recall May 4th 2007 and the early evening edition of Newsdrive on BBC Radio Scotland. The mounting horror in the voices of the presenters as the results unfolded was almost comical. By the end of the broadcast they sounded as if they were clinically depressed.
After a years worth of careful listening and watching it's apparent that they're still grieving.
This article has a "bears crap in the woods " quality for many of us Iain.
The political news output from BBC Scotland is so appallingly biased that at times it's like reading/watching enemy propaganda.
I still get a warm glow when I recall May 4th 2007 and the early evening edition of Newsdrive on BBC Radio Scotland. The mounting horror in the voices of the presenters as the results unfolded was almost comical. By the end of the broadcast they sounded as if they were clinically depressed.
After a years worth of careful listening and watching it's apparent that they're still grieving.
Posted by: Ronald Ronaldson, Edinburgh on 12:03am Sun 4 May 08
Well, I'm shocked. It's appalling, shockingly appalling, appallingly shocking. I'm appalled.
Mr MacWhirter's account of the present state of affairs at BBC Scotland has so much of a ring of truth about it that my ears are still ringing with the truth of it.
Something must be done about this. We should not be expected to put up with anything of this nature any more. So what is to be done? Clearly, broadcasting should be devolved. It can evidently never be as we would expect it to be in Scotland until it is devolved.
Even then it probably will still not be as we would expect it to be while Scotland is still in the UK, because it is as it is because it is designed to keep us there. As Mr MacWhirter points out, "BBC Scotland is made to look regional - it doesn't happen by accident."
Well, I'm shocked. It's appalling, shockingly appalling, appallingly shocking. I'm appalled.
Mr MacWhirter's account of the present state of affairs at BBC Scotland has so much of a ring of truth about it that my ears are still ringing with the truth of it.
Something must be done about this. We should not be expected to put up with anything of this nature any more. So what is to be done? Clearly, broadcasting should be devolved. It can evidently never be as we would expect it to be in Scotland until it is devolved.
Even then it probably will still not be as we would expect it to be while Scotland is still in the UK, because it is as it is because it is designed to keep us there. As Mr MacWhirter points out, "BBC Scotland is made to look regional - it doesn't happen by accident."
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 12:08am Sun 4 May 08
Grassy Knollington
Remember that interview by Kirsty Wark with Alex Salmond last year on newsnight about Tony Blair's meeting with Gadaffi over the tranfer of the lockerbie bomber to Lybia. Witch bitchh Wark was foaming at the mouth, thumping the table, eyes popping out of her head, totally demented and bad mannered. You can see the interview on YouTube.
There was lots of complaints to the BBC but the BBC doesnt care because the BBC is unacountable. So Kirsty Wark is still in a job.
Grassy Knollington
Remember that interview by Kirsty Wark with Alex Salmond last year on newsnight about Tony Blair's meeting with Gadaffi over the tranfer of the lockerbie bomber to Lybia. Witch bitchh Wark was foaming at the mouth, thumping the table, eyes popping out of her head, totally demented and bad mannered. You can see the interview on YouTube.
There was lots of complaints to the BBC but the BBC doesnt care because the BBC is unacountable. So Kirsty Wark is still in a job.
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 12:08am Sun 4 May 08
Grassy Knollington
Remember that interview by Kirsty Wark with Alex Salmond last year on newsnight about Tony Blair's meeting with Gadaffi over the tranfer of the lockerbie bomber to Lybia. Witch bitchh Wark was foaming at the mouth, thumping the table, eyes popping out of her head, totally demented and bad mannered. You can see the interview on YouTube.
There was lots of complaints to the BBC but the BBC doesnt care because the BBC is unacountable. So Kirsty Wark is still in a job.
Grassy Knollington
Remember that interview by Kirsty Wark with Alex Salmond last year on newsnight about Tony Blair's meeting with Gadaffi over the tranfer of the lockerbie bomber to Lybia. Witch bitchh Wark was foaming at the mouth, thumping the table, eyes popping out of her head, totally demented and bad mannered. You can see the interview on YouTube.
There was lots of complaints to the BBC but the BBC doesnt care because the BBC is unacountable. So Kirsty Wark is still in a job.
Posted by: Vivas, Embra on 12:13am Sun 4 May 08
All true Iain.
Yes I expect better from BBC Scotland. Leaving news and politics coverage to one side for a second, theres no way they could have emulated BBC Wales and their fanastic efforts on 'Dr. Who' and 'Life On Mars'. BBC -bleedin' parochial Scotland, thats what we've got. "Beechgrove Garden", nuff said...
But why should STV get off the hook here. They wouldn't know a production value if it hit them in the face, and comes across as some home-brewed local channel in a corner of Latvia. Utterly appalling.
All true Iain.
Yes I expect better from BBC Scotland. Leaving news and politics coverage to one side for a second, theres no way they could have emulated BBC Wales and their fanastic efforts on 'Dr. Who' and 'Life On Mars'. BBC -bleedin' parochial Scotland, thats what we've got. "Beechgrove Garden", nuff said...
But why should STV get off the hook here. They wouldn't know a production value if it hit them in the face, and comes across as some home-brewed local channel in a corner of Latvia. Utterly appalling.
Posted by: nouveauxscum on 12:17am Sun 4 May 08
[quote][bold]Ronald Ronaldson[/bold] wrote:
Well, I'm shocked. It's appalling, shockingly appalling, appallingly shocking. I'm appalled. Mr MacWhirter's account of the present state of affairs at BBC Scotland has so much of a ring of truth about it that my ears are still ringing with the truth of it. Something must be done about this. We should not be expected to put up with anything of this nature any more. So what is to be done? Clearly, broadcasting should be devolved. It can evidently never be as we would expect it to be in Scotland until it is devolved. Even then it probably will still not be as we would expect it to be while Scotland is still in the UK, because it is as it is because it is designed to keep us there. As Mr MacWhirter points out, "BBC Scotland is made to look regional - it doesn't happen by accident."[/quote] Desperate in defeat a unionist throws away his/her red tie and jests about his/her real feelings.
Welcome to new Scotland RROD
lol
Ronald Ronaldson wrote:
Well, I'm shocked. It's appalling, shockingly appalling, appallingly shocking. I'm appalled. Mr MacWhirter's account of the present state of affairs at BBC Scotland has so much of a ring of truth about it that my ears are still ringing with the truth of it. Something must be done about this. We should not be expected to put up with anything of this nature any more. So what is to be done? Clearly, broadcasting should be devolved. It can evidently never be as we would expect it to be in Scotland until it is devolved. Even then it probably will still not be as we would expect it to be while Scotland is still in the UK, because it is as it is because it is designed to keep us there. As Mr MacWhirter points out, "BBC Scotland is made to look regional - it doesn't happen by accident."
Desperate in defeat a unionist throws away his/her red tie and jests about his/her real feelings.
Welcome to new Scotland RROD
lol
Posted by: Kadok, West End on 12:17am Sun 4 May 08
Vivas
You're not up to date. BBC Wales funds these programmes but it's not their 'efforts'. Or I suppose you think 'Film 2008' is Scottish?
Vivas
You're not up to date. BBC Wales funds these programmes but it's not their 'efforts'. Or I suppose you think 'Film 2008' is Scottish?
Posted by: subrosa on 12:20am Sun 4 May 08
[italic]BBC Scotland is made to look regional - it doesn't happen by accident."[/italic]
It's been that way since its inception. When I returned from England I was embarrassed by the quality of the Scottish evening news. The content and presentation was and still is so third rate.
The Scottish Government's got it within its sights so hopefully something will improve in the future.
As for Newsnight Scotland ... don't get me started.
BBC Scotland is made to look regional - it doesn't happen by accident."
It's been that way since its inception. When I returned from England I was embarrassed by the quality of the Scottish evening news. The content and presentation was and still is so third rate.
The Scottish Government's got it within its sights so hopefully something will improve in the future.
As for Newsnight Scotland ... don't get me started.
Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 12:22am Sun 4 May 08
[quote][bold]nouveauxscum[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Duns Scotus[/bold] wrote: Mr Macwhirter, this has been going on for years in many walks of Scottish life controlled by London. You have gone along with it for years. Still a late conversion is better than never. Note how often EBC Scotland newsreaders wear black - please pay attention to this. It is no accident. Note how David Robertson says \"tha-sunds\" or \"F-eye-ff\". Note how Jackie Bird no longer proclaims the 6:30 pm news as \"your national news\". They are a shameful bunch of spineless toadies in the BBC. Thank goodness their broadcasting lifespan is short. Time for a change![/quote] A keen eye and lug Duns...not keen enough though... Have you noticed Jackie\'s SNP frown has now morphed into a \"smile please\" shock stare? One more for the bag, just for a laff...cor blimey... Ever noticed how BBC Scotchland News outside broadcast units manage to find more English people per head of Scotchland persons to interview? Watch and see... [/quote] Oh you bet I do notice it. Especially when its an RSPB or Scottish Natural Heritage item.
The other week there was a programme about an English landowner (in Scotland) who wanted to re-introduce brown bears, wolves and beavers etc. to his Scottish estate. His immediate neighbours (who seemed to disapprove of his "new money" status), frowned. They were all English.
The best larff was when said ecology man went to Sweden to buy reindeer, the Swede shouted to the beasts, "A Scotsman has come to see you!" The White Settler immediately corrected him and said, "I'm English." and then corrected himself, "I'm British."
I've never laughed so much since granny got her boobies caught in the mangle.
The point of all of this was that the commentary never mentioned the fact that so much of Scotland is controlled on behalf of either English absentee landowners or English settlers playing with our land, keeping the indigenous people as gillies (boys in English).
I find it ironic that English settlers want to "recreate" the Highlands with everything except Highlanders. Bizarre and illogical.
Similarly, EBC Scotland want to be anything but Scottish - bizarre and illogical.
nouveauxscum wrote:
Duns Scotus wrote: Mr Macwhirter, this has been going on for years in many walks of Scottish life controlled by London. You have gone along with it for years. Still a late conversion is better than never. Note how often EBC Scotland newsreaders wear black - please pay attention to this. It is no accident. Note how David Robertson says \"tha-sunds\" or \"F-eye-ff\". Note how Jackie Bird no longer proclaims the 6:30 pm news as \"your national news\". They are a shameful bunch of spineless toadies in the BBC. Thank goodness their broadcasting lifespan is short. Time for a change!
A keen eye and lug Duns...not keen enough though... Have you noticed Jackie\'s SNP frown has now morphed into a \"smile please\" shock stare? One more for the bag, just for a laff...cor blimey... Ever noticed how BBC Scotchland News outside broadcast units manage to find more English people per head of Scotchland persons to interview? Watch and see...
Oh you bet I do notice it. Especially when its an RSPB or Scottish Natural Heritage item.
The other week there was a programme about an English landowner (in Scotland) who wanted to re-introduce brown bears, wolves and beavers etc. to his Scottish estate. His immediate neighbours (who seemed to disapprove of his "new money" status), frowned. They were all English.
The best larff was when said ecology man went to Sweden to buy reindeer, the Swede shouted to the beasts, "A Scotsman has come to see you!" The White Settler immediately corrected him and said, "I'm English." and then corrected himself, "I'm British."
I've never laughed so much since granny got her boobies caught in the mangle.
The point of all of this was that the commentary never mentioned the fact that so much of Scotland is controlled on behalf of either English absentee landowners or English settlers playing with our land, keeping the indigenous people as gillies (boys in English).
I find it ironic that English settlers want to "recreate" the Highlands with everything except Highlanders. Bizarre and illogical.
Similarly, EBC Scotland want to be anything but Scottish - bizarre and illogical.
Posted by: Oscar on 12:23am Sun 4 May 08
Vivas, nobody, but nobody phuques with the Beechgrove. It's 30 years old and will be with us post independence.
Vivas, nobody, but nobody phuques with the Beechgrove. It's 30 years old and will be with us post independence.
Posted by: Ronald, Glasgow on 12:25am Sun 4 May 08
OOR WULLIE opens his mouth and lets his belly
rumble! Facts are that rather than being
suffed with "limp-wristed-veggie
-gays,
the ebc is in fact a repositorty for the
well to do middle classes, with right-wing
nuttery being the house politics of choice.
Still with me Wull ? Great. Sure you remember
ebc( North-Britain Branch )supporting the
ilegal bloodfest in Iraq and Afganistan. And
the disaproving tone normally reserved for
kiddie botherers used to report upon the
henious activities of Trade Unionists having
the temerity to withdraw their labour !
Further, the part played by the ebc in the
murder of Jean Charles De Menezes and
subsequent cover up seems to
have passed you by Wull. Actions of "Lefties"?
Well only if you are so deluded that you still
count NEW-LABOUR as being stuffed full of the
radical Left !
But let me say I certainly agree with Ian that
due to the shamefull political bias the ebc is
nothing less than a national embaracement !
Also it is wrong to surmise that the
orginisation has any long-term loyalty
to THE NEW LABOUR PROJECT. They will suport
whatever Party is in power. the ebc IS THE
STATE BROADCASTER and will say and do whatever
their Political Masters tell them !!
If in doubt, follow the money.
OOR WULLIE opens his mouth and lets his belly
rumble! Facts are that rather than being
suffed with "limp-wristed-veggie
-gays,
the ebc is in fact a repositorty for the
well to do middle classes, with right-wing
nuttery being the house politics of choice.
Still with me Wull ? Great. Sure you remember
ebc( North-Britain Branch )supporting the
ilegal bloodfest in Iraq and Afganistan. And
the disaproving tone normally reserved for
kiddie botherers used to report upon the
henious activities of Trade Unionists having
the temerity to withdraw their labour !
Further, the part played by the ebc in the
murder of Jean Charles De Menezes and
subsequent cover up seems to
have passed you by Wull. Actions of "Lefties"?
Well only if you are so deluded that you still
count NEW-LABOUR as being stuffed full of the
radical Left !
But let me say I certainly agree with Ian that
due to the shamefull political bias the ebc is
nothing less than a national embaracement !
Also it is wrong to surmise that the
orginisation has any long-term loyalty
to THE NEW LABOUR PROJECT. They will suport
whatever Party is in power. the ebc IS THE
STATE BROADCASTER and will say and do whatever
their Political Masters tell them !!
If in doubt, follow the money.
Posted by: Ronald Ronaldson, Edinburgh on 12:26am Sun 4 May 08
Nouveauxscum, your reading of my post is perverse.
I am not desperate in defeat, and I am not a unionist.
My jesting, as you put it, is merely to indicate that the revelations in the article do not in the least take me by surprise, but it is nice to have confirmation of these matters from an informed source.
Nouveauxscum, your reading of my post is perverse.
I am not desperate in defeat, and I am not a unionist.
My jesting, as you put it, is merely to indicate that the revelations in the article do not in the least take me by surprise, but it is nice to have confirmation of these matters from an informed source.
Posted by: Mrs I P Knightly on 12:30am Sun 4 May 08
It would be nice if Iain would take over [italic]Good Morning Scotland[/italic] that is a pale shadow of its self since presenters such as Derek Bateman left. It has become embarrassing listening to shrill presenters who never listens to their guests followed by a phone in programme that re-cycles the same topics and has the same people phoning in all the time. It is dire.
It would be nice if Iain would take over
Good Morning Scotland that is a pale shadow of its self since presenters such as Derek Bateman left. It has become embarrassing listening to shrill presenters who never listens to their guests followed by a phone in programme that re-cycles the same topics and has the same people phoning in all the time. It is dire.
Posted by: ditchgazza on 12:31am Sun 4 May 08
I don't know what the fuss is about.
Personally, when I watch the national news I find that fifteen minutes about the English cricket team or ten minutes about Beckhams big toe to be very informative.
Ahem.
I don't know what the fuss is about.
Personally, when I watch the national news I find that fifteen minutes about the English cricket team or ten minutes about Beckhams big toe to be very informative.
Ahem.
Posted by: Direct Action, south of the border, down Whitecraigs way on 12:33am Sun 4 May 08
Stop paying your TV licences - they can't jail us all. And they can take those grossly offensive posters about all of Glasgow being in their database and roll them into a thin cylinder....
If Kenny McAskill had any guts he'd find a way of making sure any cases that did go to court proceeded very slowly indeed. Why should Scottish courts do the dirty work for the English?
Is it still the case that the majority of women in Cornton Vale are there for non-payment of TV licences -aka the english propaganda tax?
Stop paying your TV licences - they can't jail us all. And they can take those grossly offensive posters about all of Glasgow being in their database and roll them into a thin cylinder....
If Kenny McAskill had any guts he'd find a way of making sure any cases that did go to court proceeded very slowly indeed. Why should Scottish courts do the dirty work for the English?
Is it still the case that the majority of women in Cornton Vale are there for non-payment of TV licences -aka the english propaganda tax?
Posted by: Vivas, Embra on 12:35am Sun 4 May 08
[quote][bold]Kadok[/bold] wrote:
Vivas
You\\\'re not up to date. BBC Wales funds these programmes but it\\\'s not their \\\'efforts\\\'. Or I suppose you think \\\'Film 2008\\\' is Scottish?[/quote] Understood Kadok. Even if its funding production comapanies, at least Beeb Wales have *something* to hang their hat on. Can't think of anything of any quality that BBC Scotland could put their name against (funding, production or otherwise) in a UK context.
Kadok wrote:
Vivas
You're not up to date. BBC Wales funds these programmes but it's not their 'efforts'. Or I suppose you think 'Film 2008' is Scottish?
Understood Kadok. Even if its funding production comapanies, at least Beeb Wales have *something* to hang their hat on. Can't think of anything of any quality that BBC Scotland could put their name against (funding, production or otherwise) in a UK context.
Posted by: Oscar on 12:36am Sun 4 May 08
Duns, in order for that English estate owner to release Wolves and Bears on his estate he needs to fence them in, as they are a deadly threat to human beans, and apply for a Zoo license. He can only get said license from the Scottish government. It costs a considerable amount of money and there are realms of health and safety restrictions to go through. I have it on good authority that he has not applied for the license and is not likely too. Ergo the whole thing is led by a publicity seeking Nigel.
Duns, in order for that English estate owner to release Wolves and Bears on his estate he needs to fence them in, as they are a deadly threat to human beans, and apply for a Zoo license. He can only get said license from the Scottish government. It costs a considerable amount of money and there are realms of health and safety restrictions to go through. I have it on good authority that he has not applied for the license and is not likely too. Ergo the whole thing is led by a publicity seeking Nigel.
Posted by: Oscar on 12:38am Sun 4 May 08
[italic]"Can't think of anything of any quality that BBC Scotland could put their name against"[/italic]
Vivas, two words 'River' and 'City'.
"Can't think of anything of any quality that BBC Scotland could put their name against"
Vivas, two words 'River' and 'City'.
Posted by: Morag, Peeblesshire on 12:44am Sun 4 May 08
Iain, you say you are a unionist.
De Nile is not just a river in Egypt, you know.
Can you [italic]spell[/italic] "cognitive dissonance"?
Iain, you say you are a unionist.
De Nile is not just a river in Egypt, you know.
Can you
spell "cognitive dissonance"?
Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 12:45am Sun 4 May 08
Oscar @ 12:36 am says,
[quote]threat to human beans[/quote] Surely Maggie Broon is under greater threat from Balls?
And I think you're right about "publicity seeking Nigel".
Oscar @ 12:36 am says,
threat to human beans
Surely Maggie Broon is under greater threat from Balls?
And I think you're right about "publicity seeking Nigel".
Posted by: Vivas, Embra on 12:48am Sun 4 May 08
[quote][bold]Oscar[/bold] wrote:
[italic]"Can't think of anything of any quality that BBC Scotland could put their name against"[/italic]
Vivas, two words 'River' and 'City'.[/quote] You got me Oscar, LOL !
River City...cloned Eastenders characters, cloned Eastenders storylines. A 2nd rate Scottish copy of a 2nd rate London soap. Anyway, I digress, Iains point is more substantive than me getting on my high-horse about the mediocre (ahem) drama output up here.
Oscar wrote:
"Can't think of anything of any quality that BBC Scotland could put their name against"
Vivas, two words 'River' and 'City'.
You got me Oscar, LOL !
River City...cloned Eastenders characters, cloned Eastenders storylines. A 2nd rate Scottish copy of a 2nd rate London soap. Anyway, I digress, Iains point is more substantive than me getting on my high-horse about the mediocre (ahem) drama output up here.
Posted by: ditchgazza on 12:48am Sun 4 May 08
[quote][bold]Mrs I P Knightly[/bold] wrote:
It would be nice if Iain would take over [italic]Good Morning Scotland[/italic] that is a pale shadow of its self since presenters such as Derek Bateman left. It has become embarrassing listening to shrill presenters who never listens to their guests followed by a phone in programme that re-cycles the same topics and has the same people phoning in all the time. It is dire. [/quote] I agree with you there, IP.
GMS and Newsdrive are a joke. All they seem to have on is some squeaky voiced wifey rabbiting on about the menopause. The female presenters are a joke, sniffling and giggling every time they mention the SNP. What happened to the hard hitters like Lesley Riddoch. Did she ask too many uncomfortable questions about the then ruling Slab/Dum cartel. Even dyed in the wool tories like Colin Bell provided hard hitting and informative programmes.
Mrs I P Knightly wrote:
It would be nice if Iain would take over Good Morning Scotland that is a pale shadow of its self since presenters such as Derek Bateman left. It has become embarrassing listening to shrill presenters who never listens to their guests followed by a phone in programme that re-cycles the same topics and has the same people phoning in all the time. It is dire.
I agree with you there, IP.
GMS and Newsdrive are a joke. All they seem to have on is some squeaky voiced wifey rabbiting on about the menopause. The female presenters are a joke, sniffling and giggling every time they mention the SNP. What happened to the hard hitters like Lesley Riddoch. Did she ask too many uncomfortable questions about the then ruling Slab/Dum cartel. Even dyed in the wool tories like Colin Bell provided hard hitting and informative programmes.
Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 12:50am Sun 4 May 08
[quote][bold]Morag[/bold] wrote:
Iain, you say you are a unionist. De Nile is not just a river in Egypt, you know. Can you [italic]spell[/italic] "cognitive dissonance"? [/quote] Nice one, [bold]Morag[/bold] . When I was at school we used to say that the Nile flowed up through Egypt and the teacher would be beelin!
Well my auld dominies coulnae contradict me when I say nooadays, "[italic]Shivers run up the spines of Unionists[/italic] ."
Whit's the betting on Mr Macwhirter coming oot as a nationalist before the next election for Holyrood?
Morag wrote:
Iain, you say you are a unionist. De Nile is not just a river in Egypt, you know. Can you spell "cognitive dissonance"?
Nice one,
Morag . When I was at school we used to say that the Nile flowed up through Egypt and the teacher would be beelin!
Well my auld dominies coulnae contradict me when I say nooadays, "
Shivers run up the spines of Unionists ."
Whit's the betting on Mr Macwhirter coming oot as a nationalist before the next election for Holyrood?
Posted by: Kadok, West End on 12:53am Sun 4 May 08
Colin Bell publicly switched his allegience from the SNP to the SSP a number of years ago. Just because he has a posh voice doesn't mean he's a Tory ditchgazza.
Colin Bell publicly switched his allegience from the SNP to the SSP a number of years ago. Just because he has a posh voice doesn't mean he's a Tory ditchgazza.
Posted by: jim mitchell, sauchie, lacks on 12:56am Sun 4 May 08
BBC Scotland is made to look regional - it doesn't happen by accident."
Yes, and it isin't just at the BBC that this is still meant to be the case, there is the Scottish Office for a start!
BBC Scotland is made to look regional - it doesn't happen by accident."
Yes, and it isin't just at the BBC that this is still meant to be the case, there is the Scottish Office for a start!
Posted by: Ronald Ronaldson, Edinburgh on 12:56am Sun 4 May 08
Ditchgazza, why do you refer to Colin Bell as a dyed in the wool Tory?
I remember that in his broadcasts he made it perfectly clear on numerous occasions that he was in favour of independence. As far as I am aware, he was even a member of the SNP.
Ditchgazza, why do you refer to Colin Bell as a dyed in the wool Tory?
I remember that in his broadcasts he made it perfectly clear on numerous occasions that he was in favour of independence. As far as I am aware, he was even a member of the SNP.
Posted by: nouveauxscum on 12:58am Sun 4 May 08
[quote][bold]Ronald Ronaldson[/bold] wrote:
Nouveauxscum, your reading of my post is perverse. I am not desperate in defeat, and I am not a unionist. My jesting, as you put it, is merely to indicate that the revelations in the article do not in the least take me by surprise, but it is nice to have confirmation of these matters from an informed source.[/quote] Choc-chip cookie?
Ronald Ronaldson wrote:
Nouveauxscum, your reading of my post is perverse. I am not desperate in defeat, and I am not a unionist. My jesting, as you put it, is merely to indicate that the revelations in the article do not in the least take me by surprise, but it is nice to have confirmation of these matters from an informed source.
Choc-chip cookie?
Posted by: Vivas, Embra on 1:01am Sun 4 May 08
Re: Newsnight/Scottish Newsnight. It IS pesh-poor to have to squeeze in 2, sometimes 3 stories in the 15 minutes or so after 11PM. But now the output is almost all digital theres less need for this horrendous compromise. BBC Newsnight (the full Paxman version) can be watched unbroken on channel 852. On paper theres no reason not to have a Scottish version from 10:30 onwards. Apart that is from the usual reasons of pesh-poor journlism, gash reporting, tawdry production-values, mind-numbing parochialism etc etc
BBC Scotland has a long long way to go to ever become a national broadcaster. As it stands, they could never raise their game high enough.
Re: Newsnight/Scottish Newsnight. It IS pesh-poor to have to squeeze in 2, sometimes 3 stories in the 15 minutes or so after 11PM. But now the output is almost all digital theres less need for this horrendous compromise. BBC Newsnight (the full Paxman version) can be watched unbroken on channel 852. On paper theres no reason not to have a Scottish version from 10:30 onwards. Apart that is from the usual reasons of pesh-poor journlism, gash reporting, tawdry production-values, mind-numbing parochialism etc etc
BBC Scotland has a long long way to go to ever become a national broadcaster. As it stands, they could never raise their game high enough.
Posted by: Ronald Ronaldson, Edinburgh on 1:02am Sun 4 May 08
Translation, please, nouveauxscum.
Otherwise I shall be unable to reply to your question.
Translation, please, nouveauxscum.
Otherwise I shall be unable to reply to your question.
Posted by: Morag, Peeblesshire on 1:05am Sun 4 May 08
I wonder. Murray Ritchie was very discreet while he was writing for the [italic]Herald[/italic]. He came out as a full-on nationalist after he retired and now writes occasionally for the [italic]Scots Independent[/italic]. His book [italic]The Battle for Scotland[/italic] about the referendum campaign was again very discreet, but it does describe the antics of his junior reporter, who went quite native with blue face paint and all. One Robbie Dunwoodie. Who is now a relatively senior political journalist and very, very discreet.
Are their careers on the line if they self-identify as nationalists?
I have a friend who worked for the BBC in England. She wanted to move back to Scotland but every job she applied for, she didn't get. She wondered aloud if she should leave her SNP membership off her application forms. I remarked that there was probably no point, they already knew, and if that was a factor then her card was marked.
She's now living and working in Switzerland.
And yet the BBC is stuffed with openly Labour-supporting journalists, even to the point of completely compromising their integrity with their personal alliegences. Kirsty Wark for one. It seems as if it's only one political affiliation that dare not speak its name.
I wonder. Murray Ritchie was very discreet while he was writing for the
Herald. He came out as a full-on nationalist after he retired and now writes occasionally for the
Scots Independent. His book
The Battle for Scotland about the referendum campaign was again very discreet, but it does describe the antics of his junior reporter, who went quite native with blue face paint and all. One Robbie Dunwoodie. Who is now a relatively senior political journalist and very, very discreet.
Are their careers on the line if they self-identify as nationalists?
I have a friend who worked for the BBC in England. She wanted to move back to Scotland but every job she applied for, she didn't get. She wondered aloud if she should leave her SNP membership off her application forms. I remarked that there was probably no point, they already knew, and if that was a factor then her card was marked.
She's now living and working in Switzerland.
And yet the BBC is stuffed with openly Labour-supporting journalists, even to the point of completely compromising their integrity with their personal alliegences. Kirsty Wark for one. It seems as if it's only one political affiliation that dare not speak its name.
Posted by: doonhamer on 1:08am Sun 4 May 08
what Ian describes as Westminster's attitude to Scotland in broadcasting could be used to describe the entire relationship. Time to join the future, Iain.
what Ian describes as Westminster's attitude to Scotland in broadcasting could be used to describe the entire relationship. Time to join the future, Iain.
Posted by: DougtheDug on 1:09am Sun 4 May 08
[quote]The BBC has completely failed to come to terms with devolution...[/quote]
No Iain it hasn't. Devolution is unionism and devolution kept control of broadcasting in London.
It's odd to see a man who is an avowed unionist complain that broadcasting in Scotland is kept deliberately provincial.
Broadcasting is important as a means to keep the viewpoint and the outlook of news and current affairs in Scotland unionist. Control and a reasonable budget will never be given to Scots because Scots might get to view their country and culture without it being filtered through the prism of unionism.
If you want a Scottish Broadcasting Corporation or control of broadcasting to be invested in Holyrood you'd better join the SNP. As it is you're a unionist complaining that one of the main instruments to preserve the union is under control of the union.
In my opinion you're one of those weird unionists who bang on about how Scotland should have x, y and z but can't ever work out why it doesn't.
Rearrange these words. smell coffee wake and up.
The BBC has completely failed to come to terms with devolution...
No Iain it hasn't. Devolution is unionism and devolution kept control of broadcasting in London.
It's odd to see a man who is an avowed unionist complain that broadcasting in Scotland is kept deliberately provincial.
Broadcasting is important as a means to keep the viewpoint and the outlook of news and current affairs in Scotland unionist. Control and a reasonable budget will never be given to Scots because Scots might get to view their country and culture without it being filtered through the prism of unionism.
If you want a Scottish Broadcasting Corporation or control of broadcasting to be invested in Holyrood you'd better join the SNP. As it is you're a unionist complaining that one of the main instruments to preserve the union is under control of the union.
In my opinion you're one of those weird unionists who bang on about how Scotland should have x, y and z but can't ever work out why it doesn't.
Rearrange these words. smell coffee wake and up.
Posted by: Morag, Peeblesshire on 1:12am Sun 4 May 08
[quote]As it is you're a unionist complaining that one of the main instruments to preserve the union is under control of the union.
In my opinion you're one of those weird unionists who bang on about how Scotland should have x, y and z but can't ever work out why it doesn't.
Rearrange these words. smell coffee wake and up.[/quote]Just thought that was worth repeating.
As it is you're a unionist complaining that one of the main instruments to preserve the union is under control of the union.
In my opinion you're one of those weird unionists who bang on about how Scotland should have x, y and z but can't ever work out why it doesn't.
Rearrange these words. smell coffee wake and up.
Just thought that was worth repeating.
Posted by: Ronald, Glasgow on 1:25am Sun 4 May 08
Er... ditchgazza, are you havin a larf or wot?
Lesley Riddoch - "hard-hitter?" Get out of it.
Had you listened to her rat-arsed luchtime
broadcast, pre/post Iraq you would have
realised that every rightwing lunatic, who
supported the Ilegal Bloodfest, from Brian
Wilson to Lord von der Foulkes, Richard Perle
to Lord Geordie Robertson had the run of the
show, ISDN Line and all !! The few opponents
to the war tended to be on the end of a
crackly telephone for a few moments or so.
All this from "fearless" Lesley. Don't make me
sick !! Like many viscous right wing hacks,
when push came to shove,Ms Riddoch sold out -
bigtime !!
Er... ditchgazza, are you havin a larf or wot?
Lesley Riddoch - "hard-hitter?" Get out of it.
Had you listened to her rat-arsed luchtime
broadcast, pre/post Iraq you would have
realised that every rightwing lunatic, who
supported the Ilegal Bloodfest, from Brian
Wilson to Lord von der Foulkes, Richard Perle
to Lord Geordie Robertson had the run of the
show, ISDN Line and all !! The few opponents
to the war tended to be on the end of a
crackly telephone for a few moments or so.
All this from "fearless" Lesley. Don't make me
sick !! Like many viscous right wing hacks,
when push came to shove,Ms Riddoch sold out -
bigtime !!
Posted by: Jwil, Lanarkshire on 1:29am Sun 4 May 08
Leslie Riddoch.
Well she'll do for me. She raised Douglas Alexanders hackles quite considerably in a recent Scotsman article.
Leslie Riddoch.
Well she'll do for me. She raised Douglas Alexanders hackles quite considerably in a recent Scotsman article.
Posted by: ditchgazza on 1:30am Sun 4 May 08
I agree Ronald.
What I'm trying to say is Riddoch was a hard hitter BEFORE our Slab/Dum chums got in and filled the EBC with their own placemen.
I agree Ronald.
What I'm trying to say is Riddoch was a hard hitter BEFORE our Slab/Dum chums got in and filled the EBC with their own placemen.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 1:55am Sun 4 May 08
Excellent article.
Posted by: R MacLeod, Glasgow on 2:21am Sun 4 May 08
doonhammers comment is absolutely correct it is not just broadcasting that is dumbed down it is everything in the union to make Scotland ,look ,feel and seem inadequate.
we can watch every England football international ,FA Cup match get programmes spouting about English Synod , English Education etc etc .
Why am I paying a licence fee for that .
It is not just BBC Scotland that needs to change it is the entire BBC.
Time for them to put all these devolved matters on English Regional channels and have the national news as just that matters of non devolved areas defence ,finance etc and international news.
The better alternative is for us to go independent and make it the SBC !!!
doonhammers comment is absolutely correct it is not just broadcasting that is dumbed down it is everything in the union to make Scotland ,look ,feel and seem inadequate.
we can watch every England football international ,FA Cup match get programmes spouting about English Synod , English Education etc etc .
Why am I paying a licence fee for that .
It is not just BBC Scotland that needs to change it is the entire BBC.
Time for them to put all these devolved matters on English Regional channels and have the national news as just that matters of non devolved areas defence ,finance etc and international news.
The better alternative is for us to go independent and make it the SBC !!!
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 3:37am Sun 4 May 08
Has anybody seen Kirsty Wark on the '' Book Qiuz '' on BBC4. It really is pretentious. The ratings for it is a big fat zero.
Has anybody seen Kirsty Wark on the '' Book Qiuz '' on BBC4. It really is pretentious. The ratings for it is a big fat zero.
Posted by: Richardinho, Borders on 3:38am Sun 4 May 08
It seems so long ago now that Ian Mcwhirter was a labourite hack attacking the SNP at every opportunity. To be fair, he's not exactly come out as a supporter of the party, but he's definitely developed some independent thought over the years.
It seems so long ago now that Ian Mcwhirter was a labourite hack attacking the SNP at every opportunity. To be fair, he's not exactly come out as a supporter of the party, but he's definitely developed some independent thought over the years.
Posted by: Richardinho, borders on 3:43am Sun 4 May 08
there is one thing that BBC Scotland does do well-Sport.(no laughing please.) Sportscene is a genuinely professional quality show and when you listen or watch it, you feel none of the 'cringe' you often get with other productions.
The breakfast and evening news are also good.
Generally the radio is better, although why Fred McCallaugh continues to broadcast is a complete mystery to me!
there is one thing that BBC Scotland does do well-Sport.(no laughing please.) Sportscene is a genuinely professional quality show and when you listen or watch it, you feel none of the 'cringe' you often get with other productions.
The breakfast and evening news are also good.
Generally the radio is better, although why Fred McCallaugh continues to broadcast is a complete mystery to me!
Posted by: Scott2006, Outside Glasgow on 5:01am Sun 4 May 08
Iain - your best article for a while.
BBC (Scotland) Radio if its output was picked up by Radio 5 would be lucky to get 2 slots a week and it is not remotely on a par with Radio 4 even at its best.
BBC (Scotland) Television would rather bend over backwards for about 60,000 people - who already have a specific language radio station - because they hope to bamboozle the viewers into thinking if you don't fully understand the language you can't really criticise the content. I wonder if they'll pay a minority language speaker to in realtime add English subtitles for the hard of hearing - or merely have subtitles in the Scottish minority language?
If the TV station has a phone in show - how long before all the views of the upper and middle class elite that want to contribute are sick of their own voices? The political party member card carrying fraternity make up only about 1% of the Scottish population - most Scots are too apathetic to complain and would rather watch the American dramas rather than a tartan-soapy-dullnes
s - they'll watch Lost and 24 instead as American culture is the only alternative to the English televisual cultural offerings, that just occasionally, display their roots - English reflecting on what to replace the British Empire reference points with.
STV are the television equivalent of a Radio station such as Clyde FM or AM in what it considers it should never stretch itself to do anything outside of gossip and a forced nod to that minority language fiddle and accordian shows.
I personally could find £1 to bid against STV come auction time. But old-pals-acts have kept BBCTV (Scotland) and (Scottish)TV in a slow and gradual decline to mediocrity. They put the media in mediocrity. ....
Iain - your best article for a while.
BBC (Scotland) Radio if its output was picked up by Radio 5 would be lucky to get 2 slots a week and it is not remotely on a par with Radio 4 even at its best.
BBC (Scotland) Television would rather bend over backwards for about 60,000 people - who already have a specific language radio station - because they hope to bamboozle the viewers into thinking if you don't fully understand the language you can't really criticise the content. I wonder if they'll pay a minority language speaker to in realtime add English subtitles for the hard of hearing - or merely have subtitles in the Scottish minority language?
If the TV station has a phone in show - how long before all the views of the upper and middle class elite that want to contribute are sick of their own voices? The political party member card carrying fraternity make up only about 1% of the Scottish population - most Scots are too apathetic to complain and would rather watch the American dramas rather than a tartan-soapy-dullnes
s - they'll watch Lost and 24 instead as American culture is the only alternative to the English televisual cultural offerings, that just occasionally, display their roots - English reflecting on what to replace the British Empire reference points with.
STV are the television equivalent of a Radio station such as Clyde FM or AM in what it considers it should never stretch itself to do anything outside of gossip and a forced nod to that minority language fiddle and accordian shows.
I personally could find £1 to bid against STV come auction time. But old-pals-acts have kept BBCTV (Scotland) and (Scottish)TV in a slow and gradual decline to mediocrity. They put the media in mediocrity. ....
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 5:48am Sun 4 May 08
[quote][bold]nouveauxscum[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Duns Scotus[/bold] wrote:
Mr Macwhirter, this has been going on for years in many walks of Scottish life controlled by London. You have gone along with it for years. Still a late conversion is better than never. Note how often EBC Scotland newsreaders wear black - please pay attention to this. It is no accident. Note how David Robertson says "tha-sunds" or "F-eye-ff". Note how Jackie Bird no longer proclaims the 6:30 pm news as "your national news". They are a shameful bunch of spineless toadies in the BBC. Thank goodness their broadcasting lifespan is short. Time for a change![/quote] A keen eye and lug Duns...not keen enough though...
Have you noticed Jackie's SNP frown has now morphed into a "smile please" shock stare?
One more for the bag, just for a laff...cor blimey...
Ever noticed how BBC Scotchland News outside broadcast units manage to find more English people per head of Scotchland persons to interview? Watch and see... [/quote] I've noticed.
nouveauxscum wrote:
Duns Scotus wrote:
Mr Macwhirter, this has been going on for years in many walks of Scottish life controlled by London. You have gone along with it for years. Still a late conversion is better than never. Note how often EBC Scotland newsreaders wear black - please pay attention to this. It is no accident. Note how David Robertson says "tha-sunds" or "F-eye-ff". Note how Jackie Bird no longer proclaims the 6:30 pm news as "your national news". They are a shameful bunch of spineless toadies in the BBC. Thank goodness their broadcasting lifespan is short. Time for a change!
A keen eye and lug Duns...not keen enough though...
Have you noticed Jackie's SNP frown has now morphed into a "smile please" shock stare?
One more for the bag, just for a laff...cor blimey...
Ever noticed how BBC Scotchland News outside broadcast units manage to find more English people per head of Scotchland persons to interview? Watch and see...
I've noticed.
Posted by: Capn Andy on 7:24am Sun 4 May 08
Anyone remember the Glasgow Marathon?
A wonderful event. All going well until the person running it stood up and said, "Next year we'll be bigger than London". Within the week, EBC had pulled coverage of the next marathon, hence no sponsorship, hence no marathon.
Anyone remember the Glasgow Marathon?
A wonderful event. All going well until the person running it stood up and said, "Next year we'll be bigger than London". Within the week, EBC had pulled coverage of the next marathon, hence no sponsorship, hence no marathon.
Posted by: Mike, Edinburgh on 8:06am Sun 4 May 08
Ian McWhirter certainly produces some fine topics that open up more good discussions. Fantastic posts above, keep it up but Wullie shouldnt be stirring up Ronald. He is obviously been starved of Unionist Posters to pick on. Ronald could hardly be called a unionist. He is a Patriot just like the rest of us, and does a good job exposing British Lies.
As for Kirsty Wark, she was just upset because the couple they swap with got the heave. A bit of Kinky sex kept a smile on her face, especially since Wee Jockee wasnt meant to be that wee.
Ian McWhirter certainly produces some fine topics that open up more good discussions. Fantastic posts above, keep it up but Wullie shouldnt be stirring up Ronald. He is obviously been starved of Unionist Posters to pick on. Ronald could hardly be called a unionist. He is a Patriot just like the rest of us, and does a good job exposing British Lies.
As for Kirsty Wark, she was just upset because the couple they swap with got the heave. A bit of Kinky sex kept a smile on her face, especially since Wee Jockee wasnt meant to be that wee.
Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 8:32am Sun 4 May 08
[quote][bold]Ronald Ronaldson[/bold] wrote:
Ditchgazza, why do you refer to Colin Bell as a dyed in the wool Tory? I remember that in his broadcasts he made it perfectly clear on numerous occasions that he was in favour of independence. As far as I am aware, he was even a member of the SNP. [/quote] True, I knew him in the London branch of the SNP.
Ronald Ronaldson wrote:
Ditchgazza, why do you refer to Colin Bell as a dyed in the wool Tory? I remember that in his broadcasts he made it perfectly clear on numerous occasions that he was in favour of independence. As far as I am aware, he was even a member of the SNP.
True, I knew him in the London branch of the SNP.
Posted by: Annie on 8:39am Sun 4 May 08
Iain,
Spot on article. I watch Reporting Scotland with increduility at the scheduling of the stories. Anything to do with Scottish government usually comes way down the list. Is the schedule put together by Labourist journo perhaps? The rest of the programmes look amateurish. The only home grown programmes we have these days are Beechgrove Garden, eek!, Rivercity and the comedy programme. Now that is dire, given that 12 years ago we had Hamish Macbeth (beat anything that the EBC can produce in comedy) and Tutti Fruiti (again superior to any of the dramas from EBC).
Iain,
Spot on article. I watch Reporting Scotland with increduility at the scheduling of the stories. Anything to do with Scottish government usually comes way down the list. Is the schedule put together by Labourist journo perhaps? The rest of the programmes look amateurish. The only home grown programmes we have these days are Beechgrove Garden, eek!, Rivercity and the comedy programme. Now that is dire, given that 12 years ago we had Hamish Macbeth (beat anything that the EBC can produce in comedy) and Tutti Fruiti (again superior to any of the dramas from EBC).
Posted by: art1000, Dunfermline on 9:48am Sun 4 May 08
Ok we are all in agreement. EBC Scotland sucks. Lterally it sucks on balance £250Million pounds annually OUT OF the Scottish economy. That would fund 4000 jobs in the media sector here and think of the revenues that would generate from the programs made. A few hundred million more I suspect.
So work it out 250Million stays rather than leaves a net turnaround of 500 Million Annually to the Scottish economy plus the rest on the sale of programs then you are well on your way to a BILLION.
Then think of all the young students of media or whatever who then GET JOBS close to thier homes and do not waste their time pulling pints. They form a huge number of stable households that benefits society. Young people could get involved at a community level helping to counteract youth boredom and crime.
We all know its being dumbed down deliberately to make us feel second rate, cringing and dependent. Just the way London Labour wants to keep us. They want to use the EBC as a propaganda tool against the SNP and for the Union. The only way we will change it is by voting SNP.
However in a recent interview Alex Salmond was asked by a nervous BBC interviewer (Brian Taylor) if he still supported the license fee. Unfortunately Alex said he did without qualification. Taylor must have been greatly relieved at the answer knowing in his heart of hearts this money is being used to blatantly undermine him. Alex should reconsider this in light of the continued failure of the EBC to change. In short if there continues to be no change then the SNP should have abolition of the license fee in its next manifesto for the Westminster Parliament elections. After all in an independent Scotland its only the equivalent of THREE DAYS of North Sea Oil revenues. We would not need to ask poor epople to form out £139 per annum with a threat of imprisonment if they fail to stump up.
Ok we are all in agreement. EBC Scotland sucks. Lterally it sucks on balance £250Million pounds annually OUT OF the Scottish economy. That would fund 4000 jobs in the media sector here and think of the revenues that would generate from the programs made. A few hundred million more I suspect.
So work it out 250Million stays rather than leaves a net turnaround of 500 Million Annually to the Scottish economy plus the rest on the sale of programs then you are well on your way to a BILLION.
Then think of all the young students of media or whatever who then GET JOBS close to thier homes and do not waste their time pulling pints. They form a huge number of stable households that benefits society. Young people could get involved at a community level helping to counteract youth boredom and crime.
We all know its being dumbed down deliberately to make us feel second rate, cringing and dependent. Just the way London Labour wants to keep us. They want to use the EBC as a propaganda tool against the SNP and for the Union. The only way we will change it is by voting SNP.
However in a recent interview Alex Salmond was asked by a nervous BBC interviewer (Brian Taylor) if he still supported the license fee. Unfortunately Alex said he did without qualification. Taylor must have been greatly relieved at the answer knowing in his heart of hearts this money is being used to blatantly undermine him. Alex should reconsider this in light of the continued failure of the EBC to change. In short if there continues to be no change then the SNP should have abolition of the license fee in its next manifesto for the Westminster Parliament elections. After all in an independent Scotland its only the equivalent of THREE DAYS of North Sea Oil revenues. We would not need to ask poor epople to form out £139 per annum with a threat of imprisonment if they fail to stump up.
Posted by: mt on 9:52am Sun 4 May 08
In the event of a war, communication is of vital importance. As the BBC is owned by the public, I always felt secure however I suspect that they no longer own the transmitting stations necessary to transmit the programs.
At one point, if an employee divorced, they had to give up their job. Divorcees were not allowed to work for the BBC in case they brought it into disrepute. Esther Rantzen changed that rule due to her popularity but those were the days when a BBC employee was proud to say where they worked and that they were unbiased. Nowadays, standards have slipped to such an extent that even competitions on Blue Peter have been rigged.
The public pay for the BBC. As a member of the Scottish public I want, and have the right to have, quality programs and news about Scotland. I intend to e-mail the BBC to tell them so. If every other post did the same, they would have to take heed.
In the event of a war, communication is of vital importance. As the BBC is owned by the public, I always felt secure however I suspect that they no longer own the transmitting stations necessary to transmit the programs.
At one point, if an employee divorced, they had to give up their job. Divorcees were not allowed to work for the BBC in case they brought it into disrepute. Esther Rantzen changed that rule due to her popularity but those were the days when a BBC employee was proud to say where they worked and that they were unbiased. Nowadays, standards have slipped to such an extent that even competitions on Blue Peter have been rigged.
The public pay for the BBC. As a member of the Scottish public I want, and have the right to have, quality programs and news about Scotland. I intend to e-mail the BBC to tell them so. If every other post did the same, they would have to take heed.
Posted by: Old Tam, Glasgow on 9:56am Sun 4 May 08
Well done Iain. The EBC is part of the unionist plot to undermine and even eliminate any sense of Scottish culture and nationhood, but multi-channel broadcasting allows the Scots a view on the lives of other peoples and other countries and we're asking: if Ireland, Norway, Slovenia, the Baltic states, New Zealand then why not Scotland?
Well done Iain. The EBC is part of the unionist plot to undermine and even eliminate any sense of Scottish culture and nationhood, but multi-channel broadcasting allows the Scots a view on the lives of other peoples and other countries and we're asking: if Ireland, Norway, Slovenia, the Baltic states, New Zealand then why not Scotland?
Posted by: jazzguy on 9:58am Sun 4 May 08
A great article Ian. I think most in Scotland would agree with your analysis.As my mother says, every time you see a scot he or she is either a junkie or an alcolholic or at the very least foul mouthed.I love books but wont watch the book show as long as kirsty wark is there after the alec salmond interview on news night, i wonder howmany other scots feel the same way.
A great article Ian. I think most in Scotland would agree with your analysis.As my mother says, every time you see a scot he or she is either a junkie or an alcolholic or at the very least foul mouthed.I love books but wont watch the book show as long as kirsty wark is there after the alec salmond interview on news night, i wonder howmany other scots feel the same way.
Posted by: theresa, glasgow on 9:59am Sun 4 May 08
not worth the licence fee .... OH YES
fine choices for a female viewer with no children : sport OR teletubbies - end of !!!
these are the choices at countless times throughout the day
... the BBC should be a subscription service like SKY - all those in favour ???
not worth the licence fee .... OH YES
fine choices for a female viewer with no children : sport OR teletubbies - end of !!!
these are the choices at countless times throughout the day
... the BBC should be a subscription service like SKY - all those in favour ???
Posted by: mt on 10:03am Sun 4 May 08
e-mailed to BBC a few minutes ago
"I want more quality programs, Scottish News relating to my area shown on T.V. and the standards of reporting raised.
Thank you"
e-mailed to BBC a few minutes ago
"I want more quality programs, Scottish News relating to my area shown on T.V. and the standards of reporting raised.
Thank you"
Posted by: pehman, sussex on 10:17am Sun 4 May 08
Duns Scotus,Ronald Ronaldson,Ditchgazza
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Colin Bell, is a Nat. He stood several times for w/minster and on one occassion at least for the Euro Parliment, wich where our paths crossed.
Colin was a bit full on as a TV presenter, his bias came through loud and clear in the same way that Gordon Brewers does.
The article here be Iain is welcome. But if anyone wanted to know anything about the relationship between Scotland and England, look at the daily broadsheets. ALL the English based papers, times, guardian, Independent, telegraph carried much the same headline on friday morning, that labour were taking a hammering, while the Scottish broadsheets it was like don't mention the war, from fawlty towers.
Beyond an excelent article by ? Kerevan tucked away in the back pages of the hootsmon it's almost as if nothing bad about labour is allowed. Even Kerevans article didn't mention what the election MELTDOWN means to the labour party in Scotland, will it see them change tack.
I've just got out of bed 1/2 an hour ago come on here and already I'm hearing that wendy and maggie have climbed down from their anti referendum position, because of the election results.
So why was the Scottish press so afraid to ask labour these questions
Duns Scotus,Ronald Ronaldson,Ditchgazza
.
Colin Bell, is a Nat. He stood several times for w/minster and on one occassion at least for the Euro Parliment, wich where our paths crossed.
Colin was a bit full on as a TV presenter, his bias came through loud and clear in the same way that Gordon Brewers does.
The article here be Iain is welcome. But if anyone wanted to know anything about the relationship between Scotland and England, look at the daily broadsheets. ALL the English based papers, times, guardian, Independent, telegraph carried much the same headline on friday morning, that labour were taking a hammering, while the Scottish broadsheets it was like don't mention the war, from fawlty towers.
Beyond an excelent article by ? Kerevan tucked away in the back pages of the hootsmon it's almost as if nothing bad about labour is allowed. Even Kerevans article didn't mention what the election MELTDOWN means to the labour party in Scotland, will it see them change tack.
I've just got out of bed 1/2 an hour ago come on here and already I'm hearing that wendy and maggie have climbed down from their anti referendum position, because of the election results.
So why was the Scottish press so afraid to ask labour these questions
Posted by: wullie, govan on 10:18am Sun 4 May 08
most of the media in London is run by Scots. The real question is why Scots broadcasters are there and not here. !! [bold]Quislingd dear boy Quislings,[/bold] personaly I have given up on all so called Scottish programmes, the cringe factor is to unbearable, the political slots are appauling,the content negative and anti Scottish and presenters with their pretendy english accents, as for radio Scotland, hitler would have been proud of that in any occupied country
Thanks Iain good bit of work although if you keep this up expect the bump from the Herald
most of the media in London is run by Scots. The real question is why Scots broadcasters are there and not here. !!
Quislingd dear boy Quislings, personaly I have given up on all so called Scottish programmes, the cringe factor is to unbearable, the political slots are appauling,the content negative and anti Scottish and presenters with their pretendy english accents, as for radio Scotland, hitler would have been proud of that in any occupied country
Thanks Iain good bit of work although if you keep this up expect the bump from the Herald
Posted by: Jwil, Lanarkshire on 10:22am Sun 4 May 08
I despair at the way Scotland is portrayed in the BBC. We lose out both nationally and internationally. My conclusion is, we just need to write off the idea it that it will ever get any better under the BBC, so we should be running our own indendent broadcasting industry.
I despair at the way Scotland is portrayed in the BBC. We lose out both nationally and internationally. My conclusion is, we just need to write off the idea it that it will ever get any better under the BBC, so we should be running our own indendent broadcasting industry.
Posted by: Disgusted Dorothy, Glasgow on 10:28am Sun 4 May 08
I thought that the BBCs watchword was supposed to be impartiality.
It has been obvious for some time that that is NOT so, long before last May!
However since then , BBC Scotland has worked hard to promote the Labour Part and to denigrate the SNP.
The SNP is the party CHOSEN by the Scottish people, it may not suit the BBC but we DON'T vote for them.