Red tape ‘threatening renewable energy boom’
Industry chief calls for holyrood to speed up approval of windfarms THE SCOTTISH government must act now if the country is to meet its renewable energy targets and build the foundations for a multi-billion pound alternative energy sector. In his keynote speech to one of Europe's most prestigious green energy conferences, the chief executive of Scottish Renewables will this week call upon Holyrood to boost the already booming industry by accelerating the decision-making process behind the siting of windfarms.
Claiming that planning backlogs and lengthening delays are preventing the sector from embarking on a major new phase of expansion, Jason Ormiston will tell a 2000-strong audience of scientists, engineers and entrepreneurs in Glasgow that unless action is taken soon, Scotland risks losing its head-start in a business valued at £5.5 billion a year and growing fast.
"We have a fantastic opportunity here, not only to achieve our own environmental targets but also to do with wind power what Denmark has done with waves - creating a 25,000-job industry that exports its expertise worldwide," said Ormiston.
"The government has to act now if it is serious about renewable energy. Wind generation projects will be vital to reaching Scotland's renewables targets and there are hundreds of developers ready and waiting with projects who are gradually losing patience and moving elsewhere. They have confidence in the sector's future and so do we, but unfortunately the state hasn't kept pace," he added.
"The time delays involved in setting up wind power developments in Scotland are unacceptable. They are holding back the pace of development and are a deterrent to taking advantage of our early leader status."
Speaking to the Sunday Herald in advance of this week's British Wind Energy Association annual conference in Glasgow, Ormiston unveiled research revealing that, on average, potential developers of onshore windfarms currently have to wait almost three years for a decision. Despite pressure to meet the 2010 target to get 40% of Scotland's energy from renewable sources, since last year the determination period for proposed projects has increased by 54% to 34 months.
There are currently 28 projects queuing for government adjudication, with 15 having been awaiting determination for 30 months or more. If all were given the go-ahead, their combined capacity would be capable of meeting the electricity needs of all Scottish households, saving an estimated 2.5 million tonnes of carbon per year in the process.
"These are complex environmental engineering projects that require careful scrutiny, but Alex Salmond must move to sort this out if we are not to let the chance slip through our fingers."
Ormiston's call comes at a crucial time for Scotland's renewable energy sector. Many industry commentators believe that in addition to meeting domestic environmental targets, the country is well-placed to establish itself as a global leader in the fast-expanding industry.
In a move that will further highlight local expertise, Aberdeen-based ITI Energy is to use this week's conference as a platform to unveil the latest stage in its groundbreaking £5 million research and development project Orangutan. The effort to engineer a turbine-climbing machine capable of slashing wind farm construction and maintenance costs is now moving out of its design phase, and the company will announce its intention to demonstrate a rude prototype in March 2008.
"Whereas it takes around a month to prepare for routine maintenance using enormous traditional cranes, Orangutan can be transported on an ordinary lorry and set to work within a single day. It will fundamentally change the economics of wind power generation, and if we can get to market first we see this as a Scottish business with the potential to have a global impact," said programme manager David Slee.
Three Scottish-based companies have won first-phase contracts to test the performance and refine the design of Orangutan. Renfrew's Doosan Babcock Energy will provide materials testing to determine the performance of key systems while Prospect Flow Solutions, an Aberdeen-based engineering consultancy, will model and test the structural components.
As the phase nears completion, oil industry specialists Burntisland Fabricators will build and host a full-scale wind turbine tower test facility, creating full-sized models of the key technology prior to its unveiling next March
Pointing to ITI Energy's use of Scottish companies as sole partners in Orangutan's development, Slee supports the view that the base ingredients exist to develop a world-leading green energy industry. He demonstrates a typical engineer's reluctance to embroil himself in politics, but concurs with the contention that government engagement will be key to turning promise into reality.
"There is no doubt that Scotland has a lot of expertise in this area. We have some of the most advanced research projects in Europe and our facilities sector is second to none. That's why we should be able to complete the Orangutan project using only home-grown talent," said Slee.
"This is too big an undertaking to be left to the market however. The infrastructure, planning and logistical implications of alternative energy are enormous, and formulating an effective strategy can only work if it is driven at government level."
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Posted by: Ben Palmer, Skye on 8:41am Sun 7 Oct 07
Jason Ormiston is a jumped up journalist who knows nothing about energy and spins faster than the turbines he promotes. He is hell bent on destroying Scotlands finest asset - its landscape.Send him back into the hole from whence he came.
Jason Ormiston is a jumped up journalist who knows nothing about energy and spins faster than the turbines he promotes. He is hell bent on destroying Scotlands finest asset - its landscape.Send him back into the hole from whence he came.
Posted by: Davie, Dunfermline on 11:41am Sun 7 Oct 07
"Where does milk come from?". The joke goes that urban kids reply "from the supermarket".
Ask some people on Skye "Where does electricity come from?" and they might say "out of the socket".
Why is it OK to spoil the landscape in other parts of Scotland with nuclear or coal power stations but not to erect wind turbines where the wind conditions are best?
"Where does milk come from?". The joke goes that urban kids reply "from the supermarket".
Ask some people on Skye "Where does electricity come from?" and they might say "out of the socket".
Why is it OK to spoil the landscape in other parts of Scotland with nuclear or coal power stations but not to erect wind turbines where the wind conditions are best?
Posted by: andrew mackay on 5:27pm Sun 7 Oct 07
Jason Ormiston really believes that wind power is actually doing some good to our planet. He is deluded, as are most of the public, and believes that intermittent wind and marine energy projects actually attenuate the effects of CO2 emissions.
We are told, ad nauseum, that we are well on our way to reaching this 'aspiration' or target, by building more and more, bigger and bigger, wind turbines. Nothing could be further from the truth.
The inescapable fact of the matter is that wind turbines are just as likely to be generating 'something short of full capacity' when nobody needs the electricity, in the wee sma' hours, for example.
[bold]Unless electricity is used in the split nanosecond it is generated in it is lost for ever.[/bold]
I have actually read some posts that suggest that the national grid actually stores electricity - absolute rubbish - and of course the 400MW pumped storage facility at Cruachan always gets a mentiond despite the fact that is can only run for a few hours at full power at a time. The new 100MW pumped storage scheme at Glendoe will help to cope with unexpected peak demands too.
The basic problem is that electricity from wind turbines can be classified as the "wrong kind of electricity" because it is hardly ever available for consumption when it is needed.
The ROCs' system of payment for mostly worthless and unconsumed MWh of electricity is preventing the industry from moving on into the the field of non-intermittency.
Why should it? The industry is being paid mega-bucks for dodgy and unwanted electricity that is being uploaded on to the grid will-nilly so that there is no incentive to do otherwise.
(a 1000MW wind farm will earn, with the benefit of tax braeks, around £93million per year - and the local community councils get buttons)
[bold]Perhaps, if ROCs were to be paid out only for non-intermittent electricity that would help to concentrate minds wonderfully[/bold]
It is just a question of time,that these unimaginative electromechanical devices will be rendered obsolete by new emerging techologies that will deliver base load electricity from renewable energy sources.
Technology will always move on and if you are thinking about investing in wind turbines ask yourself this question.
Do I feel lucky? Well, do you?
Lucky enough that wind turbines will not be superseded in the next 25 years so that you will get you full return on your investment.
What if wind turbines are replaced by technology that is much, much better in, say, 5 or may be 10 years? Keep a pair of oven gloves handy!
Jason Ormiston really believes that wind power is actually doing some good to our planet. He is deluded, as are most of the public, and believes that intermittent wind and marine energy projects actually attenuate the effects of CO2 emissions.
We are told, ad nauseum, that we are well on our way to reaching this 'aspiration' or target, by building more and more, bigger and bigger, wind turbines. Nothing could be further from the truth.
The inescapable fact of the matter is that wind turbines are just as likely to be generating 'something short of full capacity' when nobody needs the electricity, in the wee sma' hours, for example.
Unless electricity is used in the split nanosecond it is generated in it is lost for ever.
I have actually read some posts that suggest that the national grid actually stores electricity - absolute rubbish - and of course the 400MW pumped storage facility at Cruachan always gets a mentiond despite the fact that is can only run for a few hours at full power at a time. The new 100MW pumped storage scheme at Glendoe will help to cope with unexpected peak demands too.
The basic problem is that electricity from wind turbines can be classified as the "wrong kind of electricity" because it is hardly ever available for consumption when it is needed.
The ROCs' system of payment for mostly worthless and unconsumed MWh of electricity is preventing the industry from moving on into the the field of non-intermittency.
Why should it? The industry is being paid mega-bucks for dodgy and unwanted electricity that is being uploaded on to the grid will-nilly so that there is no incentive to do otherwise.
(a 1000MW wind farm will earn, with the benefit of tax braeks, around £93million per year - and the local community councils get buttons)
Perhaps, if ROCs were to be paid out only for non-intermittent electricity that would help to concentrate minds wonderfully
It is just a question of time,that these unimaginative electromechanical devices will be rendered obsolete by new emerging techologies that will deliver base load electricity from renewable energy sources.
Technology will always move on and if you are thinking about investing in wind turbines ask yourself this question.
Do I feel lucky? Well, do you?
Lucky enough that wind turbines will not be superseded in the next 25 years so that you will get you full return on your investment.
What if wind turbines are replaced by technology that is much, much better in, say, 5 or may be 10 years? Keep a pair of oven gloves handy!
Posted by: IJ on 6:02pm Sun 7 Oct 07
Renewables may be a low priority at Westminster.
In fact renewables will be only five percent of Britain's energy mix in 2020 the way things are going, reported the Guardian a few weeks ago. Germany is the leader in renewables in Europe, hoping to provide 27 percent against an EU recommendation of 20 percent for 2020.
Renewables may be a low priority at Westminster.
In fact renewables will be only five percent of Britain's energy mix in 2020 the way things are going, reported the Guardian a few weeks ago. Germany is the leader in renewables in Europe, hoping to provide 27 percent against an EU recommendation of 20 percent for 2020.
Posted by: andrew mackay on 6:31pm Sun 7 Oct 07
[quote]In fact renewables will be only five percent of Britain's energy mix in 2020 the way things are going, reported the Guardian a few weeks ago. Germany is the leader in renewables in Europe, hoping to provide 27 percent against an EU recommendation of 20 percent for 2020.[/quote]
Expressing outputs in terms of percentages is meaningless drivel. The numerator and denominator in any fraction must be the same.
The denominator is in the main firm and reliable baseload electricity whereas the numerator is the aggregated total of random worthless intermittent electricity at varying capacity that has been dumped onto the national grid.
Renewable energy's spin and creative accounting at its best!
In fact renewables will be only five percent of Britain's energy mix in 2020 the way things are going, reported the Guardian a few weeks ago. Germany is the leader in renewables in Europe, hoping to provide 27 percent against an EU recommendation of 20 percent for 2020.
Expressing outputs in terms of percentages is meaningless drivel. The numerator and denominator in any fraction must be the same.
The denominator is in the main firm and reliable baseload electricity whereas the numerator is the aggregated total of random worthless intermittent electricity at varying capacity that has been dumped onto the national grid.
Renewable energy's spin and creative accounting at its best!
Posted by: IJ on 11:01pm Sun 7 Oct 07
And your point is, andrew mackay?
To repeat: The figures suggest that renewables are a ridiculously low priority at Westminster.
And your point is, andrew mackay?
To repeat: The figures suggest that renewables are a ridiculously low priority at Westminster.
Posted by: andrew mackay on 6:59am Mon 8 Oct 07
[quote]We have a fantastic opportunity here, not only to achieve our own environmental targets but also to do with wind power what Denmark has done with waves - creating a 25,000-job industry that exports its expertise worldwide," said Ormiston.
quote[/quote]
Eh! You have got that the wrong way round, Jason, not that surprising coming from you
We have a fantastic opportunity here, not only to achieve our own environmental targets but also to do with wind power what Denmark has done with waves - creating a 25,000-job industry that exports its expertise worldwide," said Ormiston.
quote
Eh! You have got that the wrong way round, Jason, not that surprising coming from you
Posted by: Sue Fenton, Strathnairn on 8:58am Mon 8 Oct 07
"The new 100MW pumped storage scheme at Glendoe will help to cope with unexpected peak demands too." quote Andrew MacKay
Error of fact. This scheme is NOT pumped storage I'm afraid, nor is it operational yet.
"The new 100MW pumped storage scheme at Glendoe will help to cope with unexpected peak demands too." quote Andrew MacKay
Error of fact. This scheme is NOT pumped storage I'm afraid, nor is it operational yet.
Posted by: Steph, Glasgow on 5:38pm Tue 9 Oct 07
[quote][bold]andrew mackay[/bold] wrote:
[quote]We have a fantastic opportunity here, not only to achieve our own environmental targets but also to do with wind power what Denmark has done with waves - creating a 25,000-job industry that exports its expertise worldwide,\" said Ormiston. quote[/quote] Eh! You have got that the wrong way round, Jason, not that surprising coming from you [/quote] I'm sure JO was misquoted here. You think he doesnt know?!?!
MAYBE, just MAYBE the Herald got it the wrong way round...?
andrew mackay wrote:
We have a fantastic opportunity here, not only to achieve our own environmental targets but also to do with wind power what Denmark has done with waves - creating a 25,000-job industry that exports its expertise worldwide,\" said Ormiston. quote
Eh! You have got that the wrong way round, Jason, not that surprising coming from you
I'm sure JO was misquoted here. You think he doesnt know?!?!
MAYBE, just MAYBE the Herald got it the wrong way round...?
Posted by: Steph, Glasgow on 5:38pm Tue 9 Oct 07
[quote][bold]andrew mackay[/bold] wrote:
[quote]We have a fantastic opportunity here, not only to achieve our own environmental targets but also to do with wind power what Denmark has done with waves - creating a 25,000-job industry that exports its expertise worldwide,\" said Ormiston. quote[/quote] Eh! You have got that the wrong way round, Jason, not that surprising coming from you [/quote] I'm sure JO was misquoted here. You think he doesnt know?!?!
MAYBE, just MAYBE the Herald got it the wrong way round...?
andrew mackay wrote:
We have a fantastic opportunity here, not only to achieve our own environmental targets but also to do with wind power what Denmark has done with waves - creating a 25,000-job industry that exports its expertise worldwide,\" said Ormiston. quote
Eh! You have got that the wrong way round, Jason, not that surprising coming from you
I'm sure JO was misquoted here. You think he doesnt know?!?!
MAYBE, just MAYBE the Herald got it the wrong way round...?
Posted by: andrew mackay on 8:34pm Tue 9 Oct 07
[quote]Error of fact. This scheme is NOT pumped storage I'm afraid, nor is it operational yet.[/quote]
Sorry,Sue, but I'm afraid that it is, but SSE is not saying that it is because the company will lose out on all those lovely grants and tax breaks if a green label is stuck on it!
Do you know what a coffer dam is? Here is the definition if you do not.
http://www.answers.c
om/topic/cofferdam
The use of a coffer dam in this project [italic]proves[/italic] that this is indeed a pumped storage facility. If it were not then the tailrace would above Loch Ness's average water level not below it! When electricity is supplied to the generator it becomes a powerful motor which makes the Francis turbine into a pump!
BTW I have actually worked on the project and seen the engineers' drawings.
Some more links
www.fortaugustus-gle
nmoriston-cc.com/dow
nloads/Minutes_Augus
t_06.doc
It is not a new idea either
http://files.asme.or
g/ASMEORG/Communitie
s/History/Landmarks/
5567.pdf
Error of fact. This scheme is NOT pumped storage I'm afraid, nor is it operational yet.
Sorry,Sue, but I'm afraid that it is, but SSE is not saying that it is because the company will lose out on all those lovely grants and tax breaks if a green label is stuck on it!
Do you know what a coffer dam is? Here is the definition if you do not.
http://www.answers.c
om/topic/cofferdam
The use of a coffer dam in this project
proves that this is indeed a pumped storage facility. If it were not then the tailrace would above Loch Ness's average water level not below it! When electricity is supplied to the generator it becomes a powerful motor which makes the Francis turbine into a pump!
BTW I have actually worked on the project and seen the engineers' drawings.
Some more links
www.fortaugustus-gle
nmoriston-cc.com/dow
nloads/Minutes_Augus
t_06.doc
It is not a new idea either
http://files.asme.or
g/ASMEORG/Communitie
s/History/Landmarks/
5567.pdf
Posted by: Niall McKillop, Lochaber on 2:21am Sun 14 Oct 07
Hey folks - I think you should listen to Andrew - he's absolutely correct in everything he's said. I only hope there are some decent trout in the new loch, and SSE won't find a way to prevent people fishing it! It's the greenest of food, you know.
Hey folks - I think you should listen to Andrew - he's absolutely correct in everything he's said. I only hope there are some decent trout in the new loch, and SSE won't find a way to prevent people fishing it! It's the greenest of food, you know.
Posted by: Bonaparte, Paris on 1:07pm Sun 14 Oct 07
I see the blatant lies and disinfomration are in full swing here.
"Unless electricity is used in the split nanosecond it is generated in it is lost for ever. "
"electricity from wind turbines ... is hardly ever available for consumption when it is needed."
Idiots. There's a thing called the National Grid which is used to supply electricity from where it is generated to where it is needed. As more and more wind power is produced throughout teh UK, electricity supply will be coordinated so when it's calm in Scotland and the Atlantic Approaches are blowing in Cornwall, supply is transmitted around as required. A new grid to link offshore wind farms is in the planning to connect all North Sea windfarms.
In addition, never heard of Storage Batteries? The Irish fimr Airtricity are using teh first commercial VRB multi MWh battery to store wind electricity from a Galway windfarm. Very cheap and simple batteries will be used to store the power generated for use when required. This was originally developed for conventional generating systems (NaS) not just wind farms. And as Electric Vehicles come on stream, night time recharging demand will also aid grid efficiency by smoothing out night time with day time demand.
As for Peak Oil - Scottish oil production is now in free fall or will be soon. Then what will Scotland do?
I see the blatant lies and disinfomration are in full swing here.
"Unless electricity is used in the split nanosecond it is generated in it is lost for ever. "
"electricity from wind turbines ... is hardly ever available for consumption when it is needed."
Idiots. There's a thing called the National Grid which is used to supply electricity from where it is generated to where it is needed. As more and more wind power is produced throughout teh UK, electricity supply will be coordinated so when it's calm in Scotland and the Atlantic Approaches are blowing in Cornwall, supply is transmitted around as required. A new grid to link offshore wind farms is in the planning to connect all North Sea windfarms.
In addition, never heard of Storage Batteries? The Irish fimr Airtricity are using teh first commercial VRB multi MWh battery to store wind electricity from a Galway windfarm. Very cheap and simple batteries will be used to store the power generated for use when required. This was originally developed for conventional generating systems (NaS) not just wind farms. And as Electric Vehicles come on stream, night time recharging demand will also aid grid efficiency by smoothing out night time with day time demand.
As for Peak Oil - Scottish oil production is now in free fall or will be soon. Then what will Scotland do?
Posted by: M Lyons, Edinburgh on 8:08pm Sun 14 Oct 07
I wouldn't bet that Ormiston hasn't got it the wrong way round. He once wrote to the Herald saying that the Ardossan monstrosity would provide enough electricity to power 466,000 homes. He did have the grace a few days later to say he had got his sums wrong and he meant 46,600 but the guy is an imbecile.
And how come it is always Englishmen that want to destroy our landsacpe?
I wouldn't bet that Ormiston hasn't got it the wrong way round. He once wrote to the Herald saying that the Ardossan monstrosity would provide enough electricity to power 466,000 homes. He did have the grace a few days later to say he had got his sums wrong and he meant 46,600 but the guy is an imbecile.
And how come it is always Englishmen that want to destroy our landsacpe?
Posted by: scott duncan, renfrewahire on 2:59pm Wed 17 Oct 07
There are many issues that have to be considered here. If you are looking at renewable energy sources then you have to look at the big picture. If you consider the use of a mixture of biomass, heat pumps, air pumps, micro wind turbines, solar heat and possible solar PV at a micro level, then look at localised level, small scale wind where possible, solar heat, community owned if possible (which would be prefered).
At a large scale, there are many more options also to look at, there is an emphasis on wind turbines, but the main issue is not about 'bird soup, it has to be about the capacity of the technology to provide energy when we need it and where we need it.
A reduction in energy use is vital, with the possibility of transport benefiting from wind to hydrogen technology which removes some of the arguments about producing power at the wrong time of day as the power can be stored for use in cars for example.
I hope to see much more in the way of micro and small scale renewables, but for this to happen I feel that the planning process must change fast. it has to become easy to produce energy at micro and small scale levels.
I feel that the journalist has something worthwhile to say and I am glad that someone is picking up on this issue, as it would be a shame if we missed out on posative change due to red tape.
scott
There are many issues that have to be considered here. If you are looking at renewable energy sources then you have to look at the big picture. If you consider the use of a mixture of biomass, heat pumps, air pumps, micro wind turbines, solar heat and possible solar PV at a micro level, then look at localised level, small scale wind where possible, solar heat, community owned if possible (which would be prefered).
At a large scale, there are many more options also to look at, there is an emphasis on wind turbines, but the main issue is not about 'bird soup, it has to be about the capacity of the technology to provide energy when we need it and where we need it.
A reduction in energy use is vital, with the possibility of transport benefiting from wind to hydrogen technology which removes some of the arguments about producing power at the wrong time of day as the power can be stored for use in cars for example.
I hope to see much more in the way of micro and small scale renewables, but for this to happen I feel that the planning process must change fast. it has to become easy to produce energy at micro and small scale levels.
I feel that the journalist has something worthwhile to say and I am glad that someone is picking up on this issue, as it would be a shame if we missed out on posative change due to red tape.
scott
Posted by: s duncan, central scotland on 3:04pm Wed 17 Oct 07
[quote][bold]andrew mackay[/bold] wrote:
Jason Ormiston really believes that wind power is actually doing some good to our planet. He is deluded, as are most of the public, and believes that intermittent wind and marine energy projects actually attenuate the effects of CO2 emissions. We are told, ad nauseum, that we are well on our way to reaching this \'aspiration\' or target, by building more and more, bigger and bigger, wind turbines. Nothing could be further from the truth. The inescapable fact of the matter is that wind turbines are just as likely to be generating \'something short of full capacity\' when nobody needs the electricity, in the wee sma\' hours, for example. [bold]Unless electricity is used in the split nanosecond it is generated in it is lost for ever.[/bold] I have actually read some posts that suggest that the national grid actually stores electricity - absolute rubbish - and of course the 400MW pumped storage facility at Cruachan always gets a mentiond despite the fact that is can only run for a few hours at full power at a time. The new 100MW pumped storage scheme at Glendoe will help to cope with unexpected peak demands too. The basic problem is that electricity from wind turbines can be classified as the \"wrong kind of electricity\" because it is hardly ever available for consumption when it is needed. The ROCs\' system of payment for mostly worthless and unconsumed MWh of electricity is preventing the industry from moving on into the the field of non-intermittency. Why should it? The industry is being paid mega-bucks for dodgy and unwanted electricity that is being uploaded on to the grid will-nilly so that there is no incentive to do otherwise. (a 1000MW wind farm will earn, with the benefit of tax braeks, around £93million per year - and the local community councils get buttons) [bold]Perhaps, if ROCs were to be paid out only for non-intermittent electricity that would help to concentrate minds wonderfully[/bold] It is just a question of time,that these unimaginative electromechanical devices will be rendered obsolete by new emerging techologies that will deliver base load electricity from renewable energy sources. Technology will always move on and if you are thinking about investing in wind turbines ask yourself this question. Do I feel lucky? Well, do you? Lucky enough that wind turbines will not be superseded in the next 25 years so that you will get you full return on your investment. What if wind turbines are replaced by technology that is much, much better in, say, 5 or may be 10 years? Keep a pair of oven gloves handy! [/quote] energy can be stored as hydrogen can it not?
andrew mackay wrote:
Jason Ormiston really believes that wind power is actually doing some good to our planet. He is deluded, as are most of the public, and believes that intermittent wind and marine energy projects actually attenuate the effects of CO2 emissions. We are told, ad nauseum, that we are well on our way to reaching this \'aspiration\' or target, by building more and more, bigger and bigger, wind turbines. Nothing could be further from the truth. The inescapable fact of the matter is that wind turbines are just as likely to be generating \'something short of full capacity\' when nobody needs the electricity, in the wee sma\' hours, for example. Unless electricity is used in the split nanosecond it is generated in it is lost for ever. I have actually read some posts that suggest that the national grid actually stores electricity - absolute rubbish - and of course the 400MW pumped storage facility at Cruachan always gets a mentiond despite the fact that is can only run for a few hours at full power at a time. The new 100MW pumped storage scheme at Glendoe will help to cope with unexpected peak demands too. The basic problem is that electricity from wind turbines can be classified as the \"wrong kind of electricity\" because it is hardly ever available for consumption when it is needed. The ROCs\' system of payment for mostly worthless and unconsumed MWh of electricity is preventing the industry from moving on into the the field of non-intermittency. Why should it? The industry is being paid mega-bucks for dodgy and unwanted electricity that is being uploaded on to the grid will-nilly so that there is no incentive to do otherwise. (a 1000MW wind farm will earn, with the benefit of tax braeks, around £93million per year - and the local community councils get buttons) Perhaps, if ROCs were to be paid out only for non-intermittent electricity that would help to concentrate minds wonderfully It is just a question of time,that these unimaginative electromechanical devices will be rendered obsolete by new emerging techologies that will deliver base load electricity from renewable energy sources. Technology will always move on and if you are thinking about investing in wind turbines ask yourself this question. Do I feel lucky? Well, do you? Lucky enough that wind turbines will not be superseded in the next 25 years so that you will get you full return on your investment. What if wind turbines are replaced by technology that is much, much better in, say, 5 or may be 10 years? Keep a pair of oven gloves handy!
energy can be stored as hydrogen can it not?