Successful government can’t be built on Alex Salmond’s smile alone Holyrood Commentary AND THEN there was none. The loss of the Scottish National Party's parliamentary majority through maternity leave shows history has a sense of humour. The birth of the new Scotland could be forestalled by a birth. The opposition parties all say they won't take advantage of SNP MSP Angela Constance's joyous event, but just try stopping them.
It could leave Alex Salmond at the mercy of his old Nationalist enemy, Margo MacDonald, who technically holds the balance of power between Labour and the SNP, who for now both have 46 seats. Of course, Alex Salmond still has the Greens, and therein lies another irony. They lost five of their seven seats on May 3 - an electoral disaster - and yet they find themselves more influential than ever.
The Greens will get chairmanship of a key parliamentary committee and, if they play their cards right, a veto on environmental legislation. It's even suggested that the former SNP transport spokesman, Fergus Ewing, had to be parked as minister for Asbos because it would have been too provocative having the only climate-change denier left on the planet anywhere near energy, transport or the economy.
But the supreme irony of this extraordinary week was Alex Salmond being sworn in as first minister of Scotland in the court of session. Here was "the most dangerous man in Britain" who, we were told, intended to "wreck the UK", "ruin Scotland" and turn the country into "a haven for terrorists" being handed the Great Seal by the Lord President and 15 senior judges. Salmond the great outsider was finally embraced by the Scottish establishment, and he had a smile on his face the size of the Forth Bridge.
But you had to pinch yourself. Colleagues in the BBC talked of wrestling with their own disbelief in writing news lines about the "first minister, Alex Salmond".
It still felt like fantasy politics, a piece of political fiction; ditto the announcement of Salmond's "Cabinet secretaries". Just imagine what a row that would have caused in the past, when the very term "Scottish government" was considered controversial.
It's not only the media wrestling with the shock of it all. The new FM is still finding his feet in the unfamiliar atmosphere of Holyrood - "Mr, er, Presiding Officer" - so unlike the elite debating club he is used to in Westminster, where even the opposition accept a good argument and appreciate a well-rounded phrase.
The Commons is about camaraderie across party boundaries. But in Holyrood on Wednesday you could feel the hate radiating from the tongue-tied Labour opposition benches all the way up to the press gallery. Grace in defeat isn't something Labour have had time to learn, and Jack McConnell delivered a dreary recitation of his achievements in office, and a warning of fights to come.
Salmond, by contrast, delivered an acceptance speech which was witty, self-deprecating (yes, I know, from Alex) and even profound. Salmond invoked the spirit of the late Donald Dewar, promised a new "reflective democracy" of consensus and compromise, and even made a joke about independence not being very popular in the parliament. He pledged to govern in the Scottish national interest and the "commonweal" and insisted that whatever Labour say, Scotland "may be diverse, but is not divided". He had "the moral authority but not arbitrary authority" to govern in the interest of any narrow party, but only from the parliament as a whole.
Salmond's speech was an eloquent recognition that people elected him, not because they wanted independence as such, but because they just wanted something better. Across Scotland, from unionist and nationalist alike, there was an almost audible sigh of relief that here at last was a political leader in Holyrood who could rise to the occasion. After years of cookie-cutter mediocrity, and cringe-making oratory, someone at last with a sense of history. We haven't heard a speech like this since Donald Dewar died - and that is essentially why Labour have been rejected. They failed to deliver the most important promise of devolution - that Scotland would have a leadership of which it could be proud.
Mind you, Labour don't accept the SNP's moral authority and they don't believe for a second all the stuff about a caring, sharing parliament. Labour haven't really accepted defeat. Every Labour MSP I speak to repeats the mantra that "the SNP is gonna HAVE to learn that the people of Scotland didn't vote for independence". Er, no, but they didn't vote for Labour either.
GORDON Brown and Jack McConnell expect that the SNP administration will be abject failure, and collapse ignominiously in 18 months. In fact, they are already planning for the next Labour administration. McConnell is even preparing his own alternative legislative programme through private members' bills and committees, which he hopes will eclipse anything Salmond does. And they will trim his executive powers - on things like hospitals - by refusing to endorse an SNP budget to pay for them.
Gordon Brown's successor in the Treasury will choke off the flow of funds from London during the forthcoming spending squeeze. The former chancellor is a genius at fiscal manipulation and he will use every ounce of his guile to disrupt the financing of Salmond's "wee country". UK departments will refuse to recognise this supposed "government" in Edinburgh, and will lock Scotland out of negotiations in Europe. Think they wouldn't be so petty? Just wait.
Clearly, Salmond has little power to stop all this - he is pathetically weak in parliament. And the quality of Salmond's rhetoric last week was in inverse proportion to his ability to get things done. Boycotted by the Liberal Democrats - who are egregiously backing a minority Welsh nationalist first secretary in Cardiff, but wouldn't even sit down and talk with the largest party in Scotland - Salmond is on a political knife edge. He is a brilliant political operator, and capable of concealing his numerical weakness with the strength of his own character - but the weakness will tell.
Salmond has committed himself to the non-majoritarian politics of the consultative steering group (CSG) of the original Constitutional Convention, which argued for minority government as a matter of choice. But talking about holistic or collective politics is one thing, actually doing it is another. You can't simply put motion after motion before a parliament of 129 until you find one they all agree on. That isn't a "new and reflective democracy" - it is chaos, as we are likely to discover very soon. Coalition governments happen for a very good reason - to get things done.
The new politics is certainly about conciliation and compromise, give and take - but that requires goodwill, trust and reasonableness, and we've seen very little of those qualities since May 3. Consensus politics implies a willingness to sit down and negotiate, and above all it requires a forum in which the negotiating can take place, away from the glare of the media. For CSG politics to work you have to start seeing the entire parliament as one big coalition, which gets together and hammers out a common programme to put to the people.
Surprisingly, the people who seem most attuned to the new politics are the supposedly old-fashioned Scottish Conservatives, who are taking to holistic politics like a duck to water. Having decided a year ago that minority government was the future, they astutely concentrated not on coalition tactics, but on the key policies - business rates, drug rehab, affordable housing, Scottish Enterprise - which they believed would get them to first base in a parliament of minorities. They have already reached understandings with the Nats and believe they can get most of their election programme implemented.
So, another irony. The two parties who said they would not enter a coalition with each other, Tories and the SNP, have been the first to broker a new informal arrangement. No words were spoken, no partnership documents signed, but the understanding was struck the very day the Tories refused to save Jack McConnell. I suspect we may see the Tories implementing more of their legislative programme in the next couple of years than any party, the SNP included.
The Tories also followed the money. They understood that the key to delivery was to have proper costings for their pledges, unlike the other parties, who plucked figures out of thin air. It is one thing getting backslapping agreement on things like cutting class sizes, scrapping prescription charges, abolishing business rates and all that - but the real problems arise when you decide what other programmes are cut to pay for them. That's when holistic politics is likely to become holy war.
Without some rough agreements about how to pay for policies - many of which don't even need formal legislation - the budget process will come unstuck, and the entire parliament will collapse in a heap in September. The finance committee of the parliament is where many expect this pre-budgetary negotiation to happen, but I have my doubts. The committee is designed to scrutinise, not bargain, and is not intended to be a coalition Cabinet. It has no authority to conduct detailed negotiations over policies and funding, and no procedures with which to conduct them.
In some respects, the Garden Lobby of the Scottish parliament has become a kind of shadow parliament, where politicians of different parties can at least begin to speak to each other about these things. Serendipity plays a huge and unacknowledged role in politics, even in Westminster, where many initiatives begin simply with politicians bumping into each other. Talking with intent is even institutionalised in the confidentiality rules of the Members Lobby, where there is a convention that nothing said or overheard is attributable, and where rival politicians speak freely to each other, as adults.
But at the moment, the Garden Lobby is more like a school playground after a fight. One side is all daggers and muttering, while the other side is strutting around like it owns the place. The wimps in between are keeping their eyes shut until it all goes away. But eventually they will all be forced to open their eyes to the reality that Scotland is watching them. In a real sense, they are all in this together, and the Scottish voters will be savage in their retribution if any one side is seen to make this parliament fail.
This goes for the Nationalists as well as the others. The governing party is flattered by a leader who is one of the most gifted politicians of his generation. But this is not an administration composed of Alex Salmonds, but of inexperienced and brittle politicians, who aren't half as good as many of them think they are. The SNP proto-ministers, shooting their mouths off in the lobby, need to learn a little humility before they pronounce on the future.
They will have to learn fast, because it would be fatal if Salmond were to end up micromanaging the functions of his ministers. There are fewer of them than under Labour, and they will have to be smarter. There was a rather synthetic row last week about the reduction in the number of ministers, which was attacked by the opposition parties. I don't believe there are many people in Scotland who object to fewer ministerial Mondeos being parked under Holyrood. However, ministers with multi-briefs such as John Swinney - finance, climate change, enterprise, tourism, energy, transport, water, etc - are accidents waiting to happen. The SNP should convene its promised Scottish economic advisory council, including top businessmen and academics, as a matter of urgency.
The Nationalists need to mobilise civic Scotland if they are to have any chance of succeeding. They need to get support from outside parliament, from the press, from academic institutions, from business - and from outside Scotland. For Salmond, there is a larger stage to perform upon, as he leads the new devolved parliaments of Britain in their dealings with Westminster. With Sinn Fein/DUP in Stormont, possibly Plaid Cymru in Cardiff, and the SNP in Holyrood, the United Kingdom is entering a new and dramatic phase in constitutional relations.
These upstart administrations working in concert are not going to make life easy for Gordon Brown, especially now the UK Tories are looking to set up a kind of English parliament as well. Brown was always a great advocate for devolution. Now there's an irony.
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Posted by: Jigger, ayr on 11:29pm Sat 19 May 07
A poem by wee Jack, aged 7 n' a hauf (mentally)
'Please Mr Salmond, jist go away,
Bridget's fair angry, an' Ah want tae stay,
Bute Hoose is oors an' Ah really love it,
So see that Election result, ye ken where tae shove it.
Ah wisnae supposed tae lose, Ah wis gonnae win in style,
An' Ah still don't believe it, an' Ah deny Ah'm in denial,
So why don't ye bugger aff, an stop actin' cool an' sinister,
Cos Ah'll scweem an' scweem an' scweem an' scweem if Ah cannae be First Minister!
Me an' ma buddies will dae aw that it takes,
Tae make life H*ll for you, an' yer bunch o' fakes,
We should be the rulers, like it says in London's book,
So we'll push oan wae oor bills n' stuff, an you can sling yer hook.
Big Broon will cut the money aff, an' keep aw Scotland's gold,
An' the voters will be aw that skint, they'll vote the way they're told,
An' ne'er again will Scots get thoughts o' freedom, like their peers,
We'll grind them doon an' keep them cowed, fur anither fifty years!
A poem by wee Jack, aged 7 n' a hauf (mentally)
'Please Mr Salmond, jist go away,
Bridget's fair angry, an' Ah want tae stay,
Bute Hoose is oors an' Ah really love it,
So see that Election result, ye ken where tae shove it.
Ah wisnae supposed tae lose, Ah wis gonnae win in style,
An' Ah still don't believe it, an' Ah deny Ah'm in denial,
So why don't ye bugger aff, an stop actin' cool an' sinister,
Cos Ah'll scweem an' scweem an' scweem an' scweem if Ah cannae be First Minister!
Me an' ma buddies will dae aw that it takes,
Tae make life H*ll for you, an' yer bunch o' fakes,
We should be the rulers, like it says in London's book,
So we'll push oan wae oor bills n' stuff, an you can sling yer hook.
Big Broon will cut the money aff, an' keep aw Scotland's gold,
An' the voters will be aw that skint, they'll vote the way they're told,
An' ne'er again will Scots get thoughts o' freedom, like their peers,
We'll grind them doon an' keep them cowed, fur anither fifty years!
Posted by: Fergus, Stirling on 12:18am Sun 20 May 07
Iain
You should know better.
The CSG was not part of the Constitutional Convention. And the reason Alex Salmond quoted it is because that was the only committee he was part of when putting together the arrangements for the new Parliament.
The point is this. The SNP did not support the Parilament when all the hard work was put in to get a consensus for it. The very body Alex Salmond should have been quoting was the Convention. But he didn't becuase he wasn't part of it.
The CSG was just committee of political parties. Unlike the Convention, which was a constructed from civic society including the churches, trade unions etc.
Don't allow others to re-write history.
Iain
You should know better.
The CSG was not part of the Constitutional Convention. And the reason Alex Salmond quoted it is because that was the only committee he was part of when putting together the arrangements for the new Parliament.
The point is this. The SNP did not support the Parilament when all the hard work was put in to get a consensus for it. The very body Alex Salmond should have been quoting was the Convention. But he didn't becuase he wasn't part of it.
The CSG was just committee of political parties. Unlike the Convention, which was a constructed from civic society including the churches, trade unions etc.
Don't allow others to re-write history.
Posted by: Yok Finney, Ross-shire on 12:20am Sun 20 May 07
[quote]They need to get support from outside parliament, from the press, from academic institutions, from business - and from outside Scotland[/quote]
We live in obfuscation. The old industrial fog over our cities is no more. But when the traditional haar clears, corruption is everywhere: in the Scottish Office, Law Courts, Universities, Banks and Mortgage Lenders, Police, Business, Media. Where a man can walk into a job and give himself a £50,000 pay rise, where a dismissed chief executive of a regional council needs a £130,000 golden handshake. How does this in any way relate to the world of cleaners and nurses?
We must see the 1707 Treaty for what it is: the creation of the
Dictatorship of Scotland for the benefit to England, The City of London, and the Crown. We started with Henry Dundas who wasn't here too often here because he hated the place. Do we finish with Jack McConnel who liked to run Scotland from his villa in Spain? Not yet.
A modern economy can't be run by a single man so he is replaced by a select old boy's club that interconnect everywhere. This happened in
the 19th century! and is still how Scotland is governed. Make a complete **** up of administering the build of the new Parliament?
Then resign, take a golden handshake, and become Principal of a University. **** it up in Glasgow? Then there's jobs in Inverness and
suitable new palatial HQs for you.
Our new Parliament needs to be bedded in; there's the summer holidays and recess, then our MSPs have got to get some grip on our very
present realities.
They need to get support from outside parliament, from the press, from academic institutions, from business - and from outside Scotland
We live in obfuscation. The old industrial fog over our cities is no more. But when the traditional haar clears, corruption is everywhere: in the Scottish Office, Law Courts, Universities, Banks and Mortgage Lenders, Police, Business, Media. Where a man can walk into a job and give himself a £50,000 pay rise, where a dismissed chief executive of a regional council needs a £130,000 golden handshake. How does this in any way relate to the world of cleaners and nurses?
We must see the 1707 Treaty for what it is: the creation of the
Dictatorship of Scotland for the benefit to England, The City of London, and the Crown. We started with Henry Dundas who wasn't here too often here because he hated the place. Do we finish with Jack McConnel who liked to run Scotland from his villa in Spain? Not yet.
A modern economy can't be run by a single man so he is replaced by a select old boy's club that interconnect everywhere. This happened in
the 19th century! and is still how Scotland is governed. Make a complete **** up of administering the build of the new Parliament?
Then resign, take a golden handshake, and become Principal of a University. **** it up in Glasgow? Then there's jobs in Inverness and
suitable new palatial HQs for you.
Our new Parliament needs to be bedded in; there's the summer holidays and recess, then our MSPs have got to get some grip on our very
present realities.
Posted by: scotleag on 12:23am Sun 20 May 07
He should also know that the SNP does not have a "parliamentary majority" or anything near approaching one but it hasn't stopped him from using the term in countless articles both here and elsewhere over the past fortnight. So I suspect Mr McWhirter is well aware of the difference between the CSG and the convention but is conveniently ignoring it.
He should also know that the SNP does not have a "parliamentary majority" or anything near approaching one but it hasn't stopped him from using the term in countless articles both here and elsewhere over the past fortnight. So I suspect Mr McWhirter is well aware of the difference between the CSG and the convention but is conveniently ignoring it.
Posted by: paul h, fife on 12:54am Sun 20 May 07
Labour can scheme and plan to slither their way back into power, but it is too late- the horse has bolted and the sooner they realise it the better for them and the parliament. Ian is spot on when he says 'across Scotland, from unionist and nationalist alike, there was an almost audible sigh of relief that here at last was a political leader in Holyrood who could rise to the occasion. After years of cookie-cutter mediocrity, and cringe-making oratory, someone at last with a sense of history. We haven't heard a speech like this since Donald Dewar died - and that is essentially why Labour have been rejected. They failed to deliver the most important promise of devolution - that Scotland would have a leadership of which it could be proud'.
I fear however they will, in conjunction with brown, attempt to sabotage the term and with the help of the unionist biased press paint this executive failure as proof that the snp are not fit to govern. It is therefore important that us normal citizens (as well as 'civic scotland') are critical of any attempts to put party before country.
Labour can scheme and plan to slither their way back into power, but it is too late- the horse has bolted and the sooner they realise it the better for them and the parliament. Ian is spot on when he says 'across Scotland, from unionist and nationalist alike, there was an almost audible sigh of relief that here at last was a political leader in Holyrood who could rise to the occasion. After years of cookie-cutter mediocrity, and cringe-making oratory, someone at last with a sense of history. We haven't heard a speech like this since Donald Dewar died - and that is essentially why Labour have been rejected. They failed to deliver the most important promise of devolution - that Scotland would have a leadership of which it could be proud'.
I fear however they will, in conjunction with brown, attempt to sabotage the term and with the help of the unionist biased press paint this executive failure as proof that the snp are not fit to govern. It is therefore important that us normal citizens (as well as 'civic scotland') are critical of any attempts to put party before country.
Posted by: Yok Finney, Ross-shire on 1:46am Sun 20 May 07
I would think that [italic]women[/italic] in Scottish Universities would fair far better if they were part of the established 'cliques' like the Royal Society of Edinburgh for instance. At Glasgow University most the Vice-Principals are members and the Principal too. When Sir Muir Russell the corrupt principal of Glasgow University "joined" the University of Glasgow, the external Assessor vetting his job was The President of the RSE, his private club.
Here is the link;
http://www.gla.ac.uk
/courtoffice/courtmi
nutes/14aug2002.htm
The best candidate, conflict of interest or just member of the right private club?
Russell was singled out as part responsible for the £400 million cost over run as head of the Scottish Office.
Fact;
75% of the Vice-Principals of Glasgow University are RSE.
100% of the Pro Vice-Principals of Glasgow University are RSE
Principal of Glasgow University is RSE.
If you are looking for management positions then you join the Association of University Administrators, a group who aims to are to promote their members interests. The fact of the matter is there is an old boys network and if you look through the university data bases you will see that family members in middle management have their families in well paid positions too. Corruption at Glasgow University from my personal experience is institutional and while the smokescreen of academic freedom is cited, it will always take place.
George Reid, ex MSP is now an honorary Professor at Glasgow, no teaching experience, no degree in law, no PGCE.
Questions;
Did he sit an interview? Was the post advertised? How can he get that job when he is doing a job for the EU in the Baltic at the same time?
The last one to get that post I believe and I confess I may be wrong was ex MI6 spy Andrew Fulton who was on the Lockerbie University legal press brief unit. Andrew Fulton knew the Principal Sir Graeme Davis personally and the American Ambassador at the time, all three were in the same British/ Scottish Council for trade. A possible front company? After Fulton was exposed in the Sunday Herald he resigned from the position. It should be remembered Andrew Fulton was not a practicing lawyer, had no legal experience, taught no classes, and wasn't a member of the Law Society of Scotland. Fulton now works for the Armor Group, a company which specialises in (mercenaries) security guards for iraq etc. So if women are unhappy I suggest they research what group they have to join to get promoted, as it is probably not what you know but rather who you know.
Finally I would like to point out that Sir Muir Russell and the Vice-Principals were involved in the cover up of fraud in a publicly funded charity, that is an irrefutable fact
[italic]The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University[/italic]
I would think that
women in Scottish Universities would fair far better if they were part of the established 'cliques' like the Royal Society of Edinburgh for instance. At Glasgow University most the Vice-Principals are members and the Principal too. When Sir Muir Russell the corrupt principal of Glasgow University "joined" the University of Glasgow, the external Assessor vetting his job was The President of the RSE, his private club.
Here is the link;
http://www.gla.ac.uk
/courtoffice/courtmi
nutes/14aug2002.htm
The best candidate, conflict of interest or just member of the right private club?
Russell was singled out as part responsible for the £400 million cost over run as head of the Scottish Office.
Fact;
75% of the Vice-Principals of Glasgow University are RSE.
100% of the Pro Vice-Principals of Glasgow University are RSE
Principal of Glasgow University is RSE.
If you are looking for management positions then you join the Association of University Administrators, a group who aims to are to promote their members interests. The fact of the matter is there is an old boys network and if you look through the university data bases you will see that family members in middle management have their families in well paid positions too. Corruption at Glasgow University from my personal experience is institutional and while the smokescreen of academic freedom is cited, it will always take place.
George Reid, ex MSP is now an honorary Professor at Glasgow, no teaching experience, no degree in law, no PGCE.
Questions;
Did he sit an interview? Was the post advertised? How can he get that job when he is doing a job for the EU in the Baltic at the same time?
The last one to get that post I believe and I confess I may be wrong was ex MI6 spy Andrew Fulton who was on the Lockerbie University legal press brief unit. Andrew Fulton knew the Principal Sir Graeme Davis personally and the American Ambassador at the time, all three were in the same British/ Scottish Council for trade. A possible front company? After Fulton was exposed in the Sunday Herald he resigned from the position. It should be remembered Andrew Fulton was not a practicing lawyer, had no legal experience, taught no classes, and wasn't a member of the Law Society of Scotland. Fulton now works for the Armor Group, a company which specialises in (mercenaries) security guards for iraq etc. So if women are unhappy I suggest they research what group they have to join to get promoted, as it is probably not what you know but rather who you know.
Finally I would like to point out that Sir Muir Russell and the Vice-Principals were involved in the cover up of fraud in a publicly funded charity, that is an irrefutable fact
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University
Posted by: ptdoug, ek on 1:48am Sun 20 May 07
fergus.... you are being economical with the facts.
You are well aware that the SNP and Alex Salmond only backed away from the Scottish Constitutional Convention after it had been corrupted by Labour, supported by their big union supporters. At Labours insistence, in a convention supposedly established to discuss Scotland constitutional future, the option of independence (supported by a sizable number of Scots)was off the table... not even open to discussion !!!
This was a deliberate tactic to put the SNP in an untenable position, therefor allowing Labour to muscle the convention into adopting Labour policy. Politics at its dirtiest.
For Labour supporters to now adopt pious self-rightiousness and point the finger at Salmond for refusing to indulge them is... well.... typical.
However, the result of the election is clear indication that Labour have been "found out" by the Scottish electorate. Found out and punished severely.
fergus.... you are being economical with the facts.
You are well aware that the SNP and Alex Salmond only backed away from the Scottish Constitutional Convention after it had been corrupted by Labour, supported by their big union supporters. At Labours insistence, in a convention supposedly established to discuss Scotland constitutional future, the option of independence (supported by a sizable number of Scots)was off the table... not even open to discussion !!!
This was a deliberate tactic to put the SNP in an untenable position, therefor allowing Labour to muscle the convention into adopting Labour policy. Politics at its dirtiest.
For Labour supporters to now adopt pious self-rightiousness and point the finger at Salmond for refusing to indulge them is... well.... typical.
However, the result of the election is clear indication that Labour have been "found out" by the Scottish electorate. Found out and punished severely.
Posted by: Joe Middleton, 470-848 on 2:16am Sun 20 May 07
Any proposals for a new devolution settlement whether backed by a new convention or not are a complete waste of time because the Westminster Government can easily ignore them.
What they cannot ignore however is a vote for independence. Post devolution the only logical choice is independence or the status quo. (To get the best effect from oil revenues independence needs to happen sooner rather than later).
[bold]If the Lib Dems and Labour still support the 'Claim of Right' they should be willing to ask the Scottish people their opinion on self determination.[/bold]
Any proposals for a new devolution settlement whether backed by a new convention or not are a complete waste of time because the Westminster Government can easily ignore them.
What they cannot ignore however is a vote for independence. Post devolution the only logical choice is independence or the status quo. (To get the best effect from oil revenues independence needs to happen sooner rather than later).
If the Lib Dems and Labour still support the 'Claim of Right' they should be willing to ask the Scottish people their opinion on self determination. Posted by: Chic on 2:20am Sun 20 May 07
[quote]AND THEN there was none.[/quote]
Why? Has Angela Constance been secreted away to convent in the Upper Tyrol for 9 months?
[quote]The loss of the Scottish National Party's parliamentary majority through maternity leave shows history has a sense of humour.[/quote]
Apart from the fact there is no majority have you actually approached Ms Constance or read articles other than the tabloid take?
She said: "If need be, my mum lives in Edinburgh - she can push the pram round Holyrood Park while I come in and vote."
http://news.scotsman
.com/politics.cfm?id
=774642007
[quote]The opposition parties all say they won't take advantage of SNP MSP Angela Constance's joyous event[/quote]
Have you actually read what Labour's been saying?
"This is what happens when you are running a minority government. Every vote counts. They have failed to build a coalition and, as a consequence, things like this come into play - whether it is pregnancy, illness, scandal or, God forbid, death."
http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/news/main.jht
ml?xml=/news/2007/05
/19/nscots19.xml
[quote]McConnell is even preparing his own alternative legislative programme through private members' bills and committees, which he hopes will eclipse anything Salmond does.[/quote]
Isn't he presupposing that he has a Parliamentary majority for them?
[quote]And they will trim his executive powers - on things like hospitals - by refusing to endorse an SNP budget to pay for them.[/quote]
"Labour vote to cut health spending". Has he lost the plot? Particularly with a queue of backbenchers wanting local services kept open.
[quote]Gordon Brown's successor in the Treasury will choke off the flow of funds from London during the forthcoming spending squeeze. The former chancellor is a genius at fiscal manipulation and he will use every ounce of his guile to disrupt the financing of Salmond's "wee country". UK departments will refuse to recognise this supposed "government" in Edinburgh, and will lock Scotland out of negotiations in Europe. Think they wouldn't be so petty? Just wait.[/quote]
Has Gordon considered how that would just hand the SNP the issues to campaign on for the next Westminster elections?
AND THEN there was none.
Why? Has Angela Constance been secreted away to convent in the Upper Tyrol for 9 months?
The loss of the Scottish National Party's parliamentary majority through maternity leave shows history has a sense of humour.
Apart from the fact there is no majority have you actually approached Ms Constance or read articles other than the tabloid take?
She said: "If need be, my mum lives in Edinburgh - she can push the pram round Holyrood Park while I come in and vote."
http://news.scotsman
.com/politics.cfm?id
=774642007
The opposition parties all say they won't take advantage of SNP MSP Angela Constance's joyous event
Have you actually read what Labour's been saying?
"This is what happens when you are running a minority government. Every vote counts. They have failed to build a coalition and, as a consequence, things like this come into play - whether it is pregnancy, illness, scandal or, God forbid, death."
http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/news/main.jht
ml?xml=/news/2007/05
/19/nscots19.xml
McConnell is even preparing his own alternative legislative programme through private members' bills and committees, which he hopes will eclipse anything Salmond does.
Isn't he presupposing that he has a Parliamentary majority for them?
And they will trim his executive powers - on things like hospitals - by refusing to endorse an SNP budget to pay for them.
"Labour vote to cut health spending". Has he lost the plot? Particularly with a queue of backbenchers wanting local services kept open.
Gordon Brown's successor in the Treasury will choke off the flow of funds from London during the forthcoming spending squeeze. The former chancellor is a genius at fiscal manipulation and he will use every ounce of his guile to disrupt the financing of Salmond's "wee country". UK departments will refuse to recognise this supposed "government" in Edinburgh, and will lock Scotland out of negotiations in Europe. Think they wouldn't be so petty? Just wait.
Has Gordon considered how that would just hand the SNP the issues to campaign on for the next Westminster elections?
Posted by: Alan Smart, www.youscotland.com on 4:27am Sun 20 May 07
[bold]Fergus, Stirling on 12:18am today[/bold] - you are within you rights to pull up Ian Macwhirter up on a point of detail, even make a cheap but near irrelevnat dig at the SNP boycott of the Convention in 1988 (led by the Sillars-Gordon Wilson axis, not Salmond -if you knew the micropolitics he read about the boycott decision in the papers)
But I helped set it up the Convention via the [italic]Claim of Right for Scotland[/italic]/Campaign for a Scottish Parliament , and its fundamental bedrock was its assertion of [italic]the right of the Scottish People to self determination[/italic] . In 1988, given the prevailing concensus, that translated into devolution Scotland Act syle, few could argue. But in 2007 [italic]self-determination[/italic] means more than this, much more. That is why there is a strong case for a new Constitutional Convention, but not one with the absurd Nichol Stephen/ Tavish Scott pre-condition that that any new convention cannot even discus the favoured option of Scotland's largest political party - independence.
Even the 1988 convention was allowed to consider it. Indeed, I can still clearly recall, then Lib Dem press officer Tavish Scott arguing strongly that this was why the SNP had no reason to refuse to join.
Fergus, if you want to quote history quote its important bits. Genuinely, the lib dem's and labour's position on this (just what precisely is labour's. Jack has said near nowt, despite being Mr Convention in 1988?) is just intellectually absurd. You can hide behind the [italic]Daily Record[/italic] and glib point scoring, but this will get you knowhere fast.
If the Scottish people want indpendence they should have it. Evidence suggests they dont, yet anyway. But they do want to consider it, so too should any new Convention, even having a referedum on it at the end of et deliberatve process aimded at maximising conscensus.
And Gordon Bronw wants a UK constitutional Convention. Do you think anyone else will turn up if all that's on offer are his preconcived ideas?
And Scotland wise, just what are you all so afraid of? Your own case?
Fergus, Stirling on 12:18am today - you are within you rights to pull up Ian Macwhirter up on a point of detail, even make a cheap but near irrelevnat dig at the SNP boycott of the Convention in 1988 (led by the Sillars-Gordon Wilson axis, not Salmond -if you knew the micropolitics he read about the boycott decision in the papers)
But I helped set it up the Convention via the
Claim of Right for Scotland/Campaign for a Scottish Parliament , and its fundamental bedrock was its assertion of
the right of the Scottish People to self determination . In 1988, given the prevailing concensus, that translated into devolution Scotland Act syle, few could argue. But in 2007
self-determination means more than this, much more. That is why there is a strong case for a new Constitutional Convention, but not one with the absurd Nichol Stephen/ Tavish Scott pre-condition that that any new convention cannot even discus the favoured option of Scotland's largest political party - independence.
Even the 1988 convention was allowed to consider it. Indeed, I can still clearly recall, then Lib Dem press officer Tavish Scott arguing strongly that this was why the SNP had no reason to refuse to join.
Fergus, if you want to quote history quote its important bits. Genuinely, the lib dem's and labour's position on this (just what precisely is labour's. Jack has said near nowt, despite being Mr Convention in 1988?) is just intellectually absurd. You can hide behind the
Daily Record and glib point scoring, but this will get you knowhere fast.
If the Scottish people want indpendence they should have it. Evidence suggests they dont, yet anyway. But they do want to consider it, so too should any new Convention, even having a referedum on it at the end of et deliberatve process aimded at maximising conscensus.
And Gordon Bronw wants a UK constitutional Convention. Do you think anyone else will turn up if all that's on offer are his preconcived ideas?
And Scotland wise, just what are you all so afraid of? Your own case?
Posted by: OscarMacApfel on 7:45am Sun 20 May 07
[italic]Clearly, Salmond has little power to stop all this - he is pathetically weak in parliament.[/italic]
Amazing how one word can turn a sentence from information to personal bias.
Iain Macwhirter a pathetically good journalist.
Clearly, Salmond has little power to stop all this - he is pathetically weak in parliament.
Amazing how one word can turn a sentence from information to personal bias.
Iain Macwhirter a pathetically good journalist.
Posted by: Rev. Stuart Campbell, Bath on 10:09am Sun 20 May 07
I don't think there's any bias there at all. Salmond's position, in absolute parliamentary terms, IS utterly feeble. The word "weak" alone would be a gross understatement. That doesn't mean that Salmond himself is weak, and from context it's absolutely clear that that isn't what the article is saying.
I don't think there's any bias there at all. Salmond's position, in absolute parliamentary terms, IS utterly feeble. The word "weak" alone would be a gross understatement. That doesn't mean that Salmond himself is weak, and from context it's absolutely clear that that isn't what the article is saying.
Posted by: Gregor Addison, Scotland on 11:37am Sun 20 May 07
With Labour out of power in many of Scotland's councils we have the largest change in local government in a lifetime. Now the possibility of a loose coalition of the First Ministers suggests that devolution has slipped out of the hands of Westminster. Ian Paisley has vowed to work 'in harness' with other First Ministers to win more powers from Westminster. I suspect that the current mantra of a minority government being weak is just wrong. I would like Alex Salmond to forge links with Catalonia and other 'regional' parliaments to look at how they are represented in the European Parliament.
With Labour out of power in many of Scotland's councils we have the largest change in local government in a lifetime. Now the possibility of a loose coalition of the First Ministers suggests that devolution has slipped out of the hands of Westminster. Ian Paisley has vowed to work 'in harness' with other First Ministers to win more powers from Westminster. I suspect that the current mantra of a minority government being weak is just wrong. I would like Alex Salmond to forge links with Catalonia and other 'regional' parliaments to look at how they are represented in the European Parliament.
Posted by: Swilly Tisher, Loch Maree on 12:38pm Sun 20 May 07
Watch out for for two or three key defections from Central Scotland New Labour to the SNP , and the entire balance of Holyrood politics will change - possibly for all times.Wise Alex will , I predict, make more friends than enemies over the coming difficult months and years before the next General Election , the result of which will be utterly absorbing as we witness the Tories seizing power in a battleground dominated by events and swings north of Hadrian's Wall and the River Tweed. My goodness, we live in interesting times , don't we ?
Watch out for for two or three key defections from Central Scotland New Labour to the SNP , and the entire balance of Holyrood politics will change - possibly for all times.Wise Alex will , I predict, make more friends than enemies over the coming difficult months and years before the next General Election , the result of which will be utterly absorbing as we witness the Tories seizing power in a battleground dominated by events and swings north of Hadrian's Wall and the River Tweed. My goodness, we live in interesting times , don't we ?
Posted by: Biffa on 1:16pm Sun 20 May 07
Iain is right of course , things look so bad for Salmond that he may as well throw in the towel right now. Hardly worth his while even going to work on Monday.
Now if we'd got someone like say Pauline MacNeil as First Minister on 3rd May that would have been a real cause for celebration.
Imagine her acceptance speech to the Parliament. She would have made Salmond look like the minnow that he is.
Go the Union.
Go Labour.
Go Iain Macwhirter.
Go this medication........
Iain is right of course , things look so bad for Salmond that he may as well throw in the towel right now. Hardly worth his while even going to work on Monday.
Now if we'd got someone like say Pauline MacNeil as First Minister on 3rd May that would have been a real cause for celebration.
Imagine her acceptance speech to the Parliament. She would have made Salmond look like the minnow that he is.
Go the Union.
Go Labour.
Go Iain Macwhirter.
Go this medication........
Posted by: Graeme Davidson, Edinburgh on 1:25pm Sun 20 May 07
Well at Least Iain has not gone into denial along with his Labour chums. However I look forward with interest (and hope) to see if he can support his own arguement about getting the civil Scotland on the side of the parliment (not Wee Eck as a person) rather than just point out the negatives within the parliment that we Scotland voted for and in so doing assist the wreckers (lib-dems / Labout)of our still young democracy.
There are lots of positives out there admittedly mainly in the toon concils but grown-up behaviour will establish itself most of the SNP hating Labour politians do have a sense of duty which will restablish itself over time as they look themselves itn eh mirror each morning. Lets just hope that this is before they seriosu forment the growing divide and potential hatred between unionists and separatists that at present they seem to be engineering.
Well at Least Iain has not gone into denial along with his Labour chums. However I look forward with interest (and hope) to see if he can support his own arguement about getting the civil Scotland on the side of the parliment (not Wee Eck as a person) rather than just point out the negatives within the parliment that we Scotland voted for and in so doing assist the wreckers (lib-dems / Labout)of our still young democracy.
There are lots of positives out there admittedly mainly in the toon concils but grown-up behaviour will establish itself most of the SNP hating Labour politians do have a sense of duty which will restablish itself over time as they look themselves itn eh mirror each morning. Lets just hope that this is before they seriosu forment the growing divide and potential hatred between unionists and separatists that at present they seem to be engineering.
Posted by: Mystic David el escocés, Málaga on 1:39pm Sun 20 May 07
[quote][bold]Swilly Tisher[/bold] wrote:
Watch out for for two or three key defections from Central Scotland New Labour to the SNP , and the entire balance of Holyrood politics will change - possibly for all times.Wise Alex will , I predict, make more friends than enemies over the coming difficult months and years before the next General Election , the result of which will be utterly absorbing as we witness the Tories seizing power in a battleground dominated by events and swings north of Hadrian's Wall and the River Tweed. My goodness, we live in interesting times , don't we ? [/quote] Swilly....is this crystal ball gazing, rumour, hope, or have you some inside info? Spill it!
Swilly Tisher wrote:
Watch out for for two or three key defections from Central Scotland New Labour to the SNP , and the entire balance of Holyrood politics will change - possibly for all times.Wise Alex will , I predict, make more friends than enemies over the coming difficult months and years before the next General Election , the result of which will be utterly absorbing as we witness the Tories seizing power in a battleground dominated by events and swings north of Hadrian's Wall and the River Tweed. My goodness, we live in interesting times , don't we ?
Swilly....is this crystal ball gazing, rumour, hope, or have you some inside info? Spill it!
Posted by: Monir Tayeb, Edinburgh on 5:07pm Sun 20 May 07
Brown intends to do to SNP’s Scotland what Bush and his poodle are doing to Hamas’s Palestine. The moral of the story is that Scottish and Palestinian voters are free to vote for any party they like as long as it’s not nationalist, or else…
Brown intends to do to SNP’s Scotland what Bush and his poodle are doing to Hamas’s Palestine. The moral of the story is that Scottish and Palestinian voters are free to vote for any party they like as long as it’s not nationalist, or else…
Posted by: Finlay H on 5:56pm Sun 20 May 07
Iain Iain Iain, what fate now for your beloved Union? No choice but to do Brown's dirty work for him and undermine Salmond and the Nats at every opportunity.
It's what any self-respecting Scottish Journalist would do after all.
Bide your time , get team Labour back. And relax.
Iain Iain Iain, what fate now for your beloved Union? No choice but to do Brown's dirty work for him and undermine Salmond and the Nats at every opportunity.
It's what any self-respecting Scottish Journalist would do after all.
Bide your time , get team Labour back. And relax.
Posted by: Derick fae Yell, Scotland back in the World on 9:44pm Sun 20 May 07
I obvserve that both Karen Gillon and Karen Whitefield were on the BBC today, speaking against the hospital downgrade (as well they should on behalf of their constituents). C'mon the Karens! Just do it.
I obvserve that both Karen Gillon and Karen Whitefield were on the BBC today, speaking against the hospital downgrade (as well they should on behalf of their constituents). C'mon the Karens! Just do it.
Posted by: Derek, England on 12:22pm Mon 21 May 07
One important point is that a Westminster general election is due before the next Holyrood elections. UK Labour could well be in opposition by then.
Maybe the Cameron will win.Maybe the SNP would prefer that to a New Labour UK government?
The obvious solution to all this is independence for England and Scotland.
One important point is that a Westminster general election is due before the next Holyrood elections. UK Labour could well be in opposition by then.
Maybe the Cameron will win.Maybe the SNP would prefer that to a New Labour UK government?
The obvious solution to all this is independence for England and Scotland.
Posted by: NotIainMacwhirter, Edinburgh on 1:45pm Mon 21 May 07
Iain - are you having a midlife crisis? You used to be one of the top commentators in Scotland and now you just seem to have lost the plot a bit. You haven't recently bought a convertible or a motorbike have you?
Iain - are you having a midlife crisis? You used to be one of the top commentators in Scotland and now you just seem to have lost the plot a bit. You haven't recently bought a convertible or a motorbike have you?
Posted by: John, England on 3:10pm Tue 22 May 07
An interesting article Iain . Mr Salmond is just getting his feet under the table at the moment . The fact of Labour embittered and difficult is to be expected from them . They know no better .
Your last sentance is wrong however :
" especially now the UK Tories are looking to set up a kind of English parliament as well. Brown was always a great advocate for devolution. Now there's an irony. "
The Tory policy of EVOEM in the Westminster parliament is most emphatically not an English parliament , even a part time one . It is a confused and divisive attempt to head off a real English Parliament along the same lines as Scotland's and would lead to profoundly dysfunctional British parliament .
Good point about Brown though .
The push for a real English parliament and fiscal independence for England continues .
An interesting article Iain . Mr Salmond is just getting his feet under the table at the moment . The fact of Labour embittered and difficult is to be expected from them . They know no better .
Your last sentance is wrong however :
" especially now the UK Tories are looking to set up a kind of English parliament as well. Brown was always a great advocate for devolution. Now there's an irony. "
The Tory policy of EVOEM in the Westminster parliament is most emphatically not an English parliament , even a part time one . It is a confused and divisive attempt to head off a real English Parliament along the same lines as Scotland's and would lead to profoundly dysfunctional British parliament .
Good point about Brown though .
The push for a real English parliament and fiscal independence for England continues .
Posted by: Jeff Wilson, Vancouver, Canada on 4:15pm Tue 22 May 07
I feel that Scotland is entering a period of increasing political maturity. The electorate have elected a minority paliament, and both the SNP and Labour are morally bound to work with that. Not easy, but certainly managable. It takes time for both sides to get used to their new and unaccustomed roles, but the Scottish political process can only be the better for it.
I feel that Scotland is entering a period of increasing political maturity. The electorate have elected a minority paliament, and both the SNP and Labour are morally bound to work with that. Not easy, but certainly managable. It takes time for both sides to get used to their new and unaccustomed roles, but the Scottish political process can only be the better for it.