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Conservative wildcard a hit with young voters
When ‘joke’ candidate Ron Paul raised $4m online, rivals had to take notice
From Andrew Purcell in New York

TO THE front-runners in the race for the Republican nomination, Ron Paul is a joke. The Congressman from Texas is portrayed as a political outsider who once stood against Frank Zappa in the Libertarian Party primary, a barmy radical with no hope of influencing policy, much less mounting a serious challenge for the presidency.

Never mind that in seven televised Republican debates, Paul has won the online and text message vote six times, nor that his YouTube channel has more subscribers than leading Democrats Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

In telephone polling of Republicans, which is still perceived as the only meaningful way to gauge potential primary votes, he has yet to break through the 5% barrier, placing him a distant sixth in a field of eight.

But Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliani, John McCain and Fred Thompson were forced to take Paul's candidacy seriously last week when his supporters raised campaign donations worth $4.2 million in a single day, the most successful Republican fundraising drive of the 2008 election cycle.

The November 5 event was described in online appeals as a "money bomb", deliberately linking it to the plot to blow up the British parliament in 1605. Afterwards, spokesman Jesse Benton clarified that Paul is no Guy Fawkes and doesn't support bombing government buildings: "He wants to demolish things like the Department of Education, but we can do that very peacefully, in a constructive manner."

Paul's platform is founded on lifelong opposition to big government. He favours drastic reductions in federal taxation and spending, abolishing income tax entirely, returning to the gold standard to stabilise the dollar, bringing troops home from Iraq and adopting a foreign policy of non-intervention whenever possible.

When he stood for president in 1988 as the Libertarian Party candidate, he won just 0.47% of the vote. But disillusionment with America's political system is such that his message of fiscal prudence and withdrawal from military engagements overseas is finding unlikely new converts.

Paul describes his principles as "old, old-right positions of the 1950s" but in espousing them he has tapped into a younger demographic largely lost to his Republican rivals, as evidenced by his huge online supporter base and the teenagers wearing "Ron Paul revolution" T-shirts who attend his rallies.

Party strategists dismiss this as negative appeal that will not translate into votes. Responding to the record day of donations, Republican consultant Frank Lutz told Time Magazine that Paul's supporters "just like him because he's the most anti-establishment of all the candidates, the most likely to look at the camera during the debates and say, Hey, Washington, f*** you'."

The language doesn't suit Paul, an unfailingly courteous retired obstetrician, but his voting record in the House of Representatives is indeed one of intractable opposition to anything he perceives to be unconstitutional. He has been the lone dissenter in numerous votes, from a resolution to censure the Sudanese government over genocide in Darfur to a proposal to award Rosa Parks a golden Congressional medal.

He also believes that the US should withdraw not only from Iraq, but from Nato and the United Nations.

After a 1960s tour of duty as a flight surgeon with the US air force, Paul took over a doctor's practice in Lake Jackson, Texas, eventually delivering more than 4000 babies. He was first elected to Congress in 1976, was re-elected by his district three times, and lost an attempted Senate run in 1984. He returned in 1996 and has been a member of the House ever since.

When Jon Stewart interviewed Paul on the Daily Show, he observed "you appear to have a consistent principled integrity. Americans don't usually go for that".

The chances are that despite his growing campaign budget, Paul will be outmanoeuvred by Giuliani, Romney or McCain in the early primaries, much like Howard Dean in 2004, the last candidate to inspire extreme online devotion with a passionate rejection of the political status quo.

Democrats will hope that Paul then runs as an independent, splitting the conservative vote, just as Ralph Nader took crucial ballots from Al Gore in 2000.

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Posted by: Kevin Collins, San Diego, CA on 9:12pm Sat 10 Nov 07
4 Days ago I did not know who Ron Paul was... But now I do and no other candidate has his honesty and integrity.

Ron Paul is a true America who stands for smaller government, lower taxes, and non-intervention foreign policy which means we don't medal in other counties domestic affairs after all I wouldn't want China coming to America and telling me how to run our lives or government.

Ron Paul is the real thing!
Watch the YouTube video Ron Paul A New Hope

And you decide if he represents you!
Posted by: Carolyn on 9:54pm Sat 10 Nov 07
Thanks for the "young" compliment. I'm 65 and my husband 67. We both support Ron Paul as do most of our friends. All other candidates can be put into one pile. They talk and talk about nothing or they change opinions to suit the crowd. Ron Paul is the only candidate who has a workable plan to restore the country back into the hands of the people. Sorry big buisness, big government and big banks, we've had enough of you. Remember 11-5!
Posted by: Jerzy Ostrowski, New Hampshire, USA on 10:12pm Sat 10 Nov 07
US $4,2 mln on Nov. 5th was the best single day Republican fundraising not just in 2008 election cycle but EVER. It is also the the 2nd highest in any U.S. election. Watch for December 16, 2007 "Tea Party" for Ron Paul (http://www.teaparty
07.com/) to be another record breaker.
Posted by: Jason Davidson, Boise, Idaho on 10:17pm Sat 10 Nov 07
Ha Ha. Ron Paul (If that is your real name) you are funny. These Ron Paul supporters are all the same, but we won't let their tricky tricks fool us.
Posted by: John Long, Sunnyvale, CA on 10:23pm Sat 10 Nov 07
Thank you for a very nice article! I've noticed a surge of those lately, where reporters actually report on Ron Paul and his supporters, and it is refreshing after either being ignored or attacked for months.

One note, though: Lutz made that comment BEFORE the money bomb on the 5th. As to Lutz in general, I take Penn and Teller's position. :)
Posted by: Kyle, Florida on 10:29pm Sat 10 Nov 07
I am 54, a lifelong Republican and have not voted for one of those scoundrels in years. The party has died. Ron Paul is resurrecting it. I will once again register to vote - I think it lapsed years ago - and vote for and donate all I can to Ron Paul.

To those of us with brains, we can see how Ron Paul is the best and only man for the job. This country is in ruins! Inflation is so high, my cat's food went up 150% in the past six months. Milk has gone up 70%. My grocery bill is more than double what it was last year. Next year I won't be able to eat groceries!

If the people in this country don't wake up and vote for another one of those same big money (which means they spend all of your money) thieves and crooks then this country will go into the deepest depression you have ever seen. Hyper-inflation will run rampant and people will starve.

If the Chinese wanted to, it could happen today - we have given them that much power over us.

Not only the young like Ron Paul, us older folks with brains like him too. Sadly, most older folks don't have any brains at all. Like the entire Iowa GOP. Those people are monsters.
Posted by: Jason Davidson, Boise, Idaho on 10:44pm Sat 10 Nov 07
Uh, Kyle from Florida, I hate to rain on your "country in ruin," parade, but as an american citizen I must. The national inflation rate has been right around 2.5%, a very stable number.

P.S.

Give my regards to your cat.
Posted by: jeffp101 on 10:48pm Sat 10 Nov 07
I am 65, registered republican, rarely have I voted that way, but my plan is to this time. I seriously doubt those other all-look-alike future also-rans think Ron Paul is a joke. And, quite frankly, I am becoming tired of his being associated with such demeaning terms. Even if he were ALL wrong on issues, his record of conduct as public servant demands more respect. Knock it off.
Posted by: Amit, Arlington, VA on 10:57pm Sat 10 Nov 07
the media wants to see Rudy vs Hillary for ratings. what's best for America is Ron Paul. Support the next money bomb:

http://www.thisnovem

ber11th.com


go Ron Paul!
Posted by: Klutometis on 10:57pm Sat 10 Nov 07
"The most likely to . . . say, Hey, Washington, f*** you'."

As if we didn't need more of that? The history of America-turned-Sovie

t-Union is going to be paved with sycophants.
Posted by: David Monk, Tulsa, OK on 11:10pm Sat 10 Nov 07
What most of the major media does not understand is there are two main type's of Dr. Ron Paul supporters. The ones who are on-line all the time (like me) trying to get the message out. We hear about them all the time and they are sometimes used against his campaign. Who the mass media doesn't know yet is the silent majority. By defination they do not say much until it's time to vote. I have been looking at the presidential primary vote's of the 1996 and 2000 elections. These were the last times Republicans had choices for a canidate. The numbers are startling to say the least. Did you know Alan Keyes generally takes 15% of the vote. Also most winners take no more than 35% with few exceptions. Then factor in that the field has never been this wide open in my lifetime (I am 28). Dr. Paul will surprise most but not me. NH he is a lock, SC he'll be 2nd maybe 1st and probably a weak 3rd in Iowa. Then within three weeks super tuesday will tell us alot, as several states have open primaries (not mine- OK sucks but Tulsa's cool). If I have to be the first to say it I will. Dr. Ron Paul has real chance here more than most are willing to say. The same can be said for Barrack to some extent on the Dem's side. Hillary only leads in bias land-line polls and I can't seem to find one supporter yet for her than doesn't say," well it's time for a women president." which is used time and again to defend her flip-flopping and indecision. I'll end with this; if it does some how come down to Hillary vs Guilani... I'll be looking 3rd Party all the way. Never beileve one source even me - research for your self and define your opinion on your own terms. Peace and Love - David Monk
Posted by: Roy, Hon. HI on 11:24pm Sat 10 Nov 07
Hey Jason from Idaho. Since you're calling people out, why don't you open your eyes. The dollar is tanking. Look at gas and food prices. Anyone can see this at the grocery store. Look at the fall against the euro. You're so brainwashed that you still believe the government's numbers. They don't publish m3 statistics anymore so how can they gauge the inflation rate accurately? It's kind of like asking the government to do an unbiased investigation of itself. Pointless with phony results. Wake up pal!
Posted by: Wendy, Missouri on 11:27pm Sat 10 Nov 07
Jason Davidson wrote:
Uh, Kyle from Florida, I hate to rain on your \"country in ruin,\" parade, but as an american citizen I must. The national inflation rate has been right around 2.5%, a very stable number.

P.S.

Give my regards to your cat.
Jason:

I guess you pulled that from a FED report based on a faulty CPI stat. There are LYING Jason. Do you save your grocery receipts? I would say milk inflation is closer to 40% than 70%, but perhaps that's because my state produces dairy products. FL has to have them trucked in and the increasing price of gas gets added in to every gallon of milk & bag of cat food Kyle buys. When Bernanke said only import prices are affected, he neglected to add the price of gas to prices. This is but a part of the faulty CPI figures. My grocery bill has nearly doubled in the last year as well. Who knows what my heating bill will do to the family budget this winter?!?
Posted by: Rev. Arley McCloud, Pennsylvania US on 11:35pm Sat 10 Nov 07
I'm a fifth generation Republican that has had no choice but to vote for third party Presidential candidates since 1988. In 1996 I left the Republican party believing traditional Republicans like myself were no longer welcome. I can not tell you how happy I am to finally have a real Republican Presidential candidate to vote for, for the first time in 25 years. I have come back home to the party my grandfathers grandfather helped build because of Ron Paul. What the GOP decides to do with him will determine whether or not I'm home for good or if I'm just passing through.
Posted by: concise, Tucker, Georgia on 11:44pm Sat 10 Nov 07
It's not just younger voters who are attracted to Ron Paul. In my local Meet Up group most of us are in the 40-60 year age range. Paul has drawing power from all demographics!
Posted by: Jason Davidson, Boise, Idaho on 11:51pm Sat 10 Nov 07
Aloha, Roy from Hawaii. The reason your gas prices are so high in Hawaii is a result of unsound regional economic policy, not as a result of national economic policy. A year ago your state legistlature imposed price controls on gas in order to keep prices in line with mainland prices. As you are experiencing, these price controls have had the opposite effect, causing them to increase at a greater rate. Point is grocery and gas receipts vary accross the nation. Just because prices are increasing at an unreasonalbe rate in your state doesn't mean the same is true in the whole nation. The problems causing your inflation are regional not national. My advise to you, my friend, is to wake yourself up from your fantasy conspiracy land.

state Public Utilities Commission Sept. 1. The idea was that the limits would bring Hawaii's gas prices in line with the mainland, which has traditionally had lower prices on many goods because of the transportation costs involved in delivering product to the islands.

Now there are moves afoot in the Hawaii legislature to scrap the price controls
Posted by: Robert, sacramento on 12:06am Sun 11 Nov 07
Ron Paul will continue to climb as more people read about this remarkable man. He has integrity like no other! Ron Paul for the WIN!

Americans, be a part of history again, pledge to donate $100 to the Ron Paul campaign on December 16th. This one will exceed the last one! Sign up at www.TeaParty07.com
Posted by: ET on 12:06am Sun 11 Nov 07
From 1800-1913 prices dropped an average of about 30%. From 1913-now, prices are up 1500%. There's a reason: The Fed was created (by bankers 4 bankers) in 1913.

Consider the prices of computers which keep dropping. Most things would be going down in price because of productivity. So, even if that 2.5% cpi number wasn't a fraud, then without money inflation, prices overall should be dropping a few percent each year. You're simply trusting the fox with the hen house if you believe the FED.
Posted by: Joe Schembrie, Bellevue, WA on 12:16am Sun 11 Nov 07
The national inflation rate has been right around 2.5%, a very stable number.

The dollar has plunged against the euro, health care has gone up 78%, housing is through the roof -- but the government says the inflation rate is 2.5%.

The government says so, and I believe it. After all, where would George Washington and Thomas Jefferson have been if they hadn't trusted their government?
Posted by: Jason Davidson, Boise, Idaho on 12:25am Sun 11 Nov 07
ET, I'm not sure what planet you are from but here on earth a steady rate of inflation is essential to a healthy economy. Deflation usually occurs during a recession and is characterized by supply exceeding demand, and while there is increased buying power, the amount of currency in circulation is greatly reduced. Marked deflation generally affects production and employment negatively. I know its difficult to live on a fixed income as an elderly person with inflation, but that doesn't mean the country is in ruin. Conspiracy Theorists in 08.
Posted by: Mike, Phoenix, AZ on 12:26am Sun 11 Nov 07
Although you mention he was the only 1 vote against Rosa Parks award, he told congress he will put in $100 and they should to, to pay for it and not use the tax payers money, I respect that.
And BTW I see how articles say his crowed is young... Im 37 and see some old farts here, so as long as we register republican for the primaries, get off our butts and vote, we might actually get our country back.
Posted by: David Cheney, Baker City, Oregon on 12:41am Sun 11 Nov 07
I find your title to this piece interesting. I am 62 years old and I find many of my peers who have heard of Ron Paul jumping on the band wagon to support him.

I have studied Dr. Paul for several years and when he formed his presidential exploratory committee I gladly donated to it. When he announced that he would run I was ecstatic and have continued to contribute to his campaign. He is the only candidate worthy of the support of those of us who consider freedom for our children and grandchildren the most important issue of the upcoming election.

David Cheney
Baker City for Ron Paul
Posted by: Jason Davidson, Boise, ID on 12:41am Sun 11 Nov 07
Hi Joe. Bellevue is a nice city, a good place to be from.

If the inflation rate isn't 2.5%, then what would you suggest that it is? The thing with economic conditions is that you can't use isolated numbers and elements of the economy in isolated regions to support your conspiracy claims and doom and gloom forcasts on the economy. You are basing your economic analysis on "housing is through the roof." I just closed on a house last week for 321,300, that was listed at 423,000 a year ago.
Posted by: Brian, Green Bay, WI USA on 12:45am Sun 11 Nov 07
"Democrats will hope that Paul then runs as an independent, splitting the conservative vote, just as Ralph Nader took crucial ballots from Al Gore in 2000." <P>

Ain't going to happen. Paul told the Boston Globe that he has no plans to, and I agree with him. The GOP is so fractured and the base has shrunk so significantly that only a candidate like Paul can rebuild it, and purge the party from big-government liberals to war-hawks.
Posted by: John, Minnesota on 12:54am Sun 11 Nov 07
I've been following Ron Paul off and on for nearly 20 years, not four days, and I can vouch for his honesty and integrity. He's been championing the same issues and viewpoints when they haven't been popular or likely to get him anywhere politically. Now that all the chickens, foreign and domestic, are coming home to roost, Americans are turning to Ron Paul because he has the answers and no-one else does. He's also the only Republican who can beat Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: ron b, South Jersey on 12:55am Sun 11 Nov 07
I attended the Ron Paul rally today in Philadelphia. How fitting for Dr Paul to address his supporters while surrounded by Independence Hall, the Constitution Center and the US Mint. The "top-tier" Republicans who are dismissive of Paul's candidacy are deluding themselves. Not only are Paul's supporters enthusiastic, but they understand the things that need to be done to secure the nomination. Ron Paul is the best thing that could happen to this tired, old country.
Posted by: Mayberry, USA on 1:05am Sun 11 Nov 07
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security

Wake up UK!

Go Ron Paul!
Posted by: Kirby, Texas on 1:12am Sun 11 Nov 07
I can see Jason is a product of the public school system. I bet he believes everything he sees on the TV.
Posted by: john q, oregon on 1:14am Sun 11 Nov 07
Jason Davidson wrote:
Uh, Kyle from Florida, I hate to rain on your "country in ruin," parade, but as an american citizen I must. The national inflation rate has been right around 2.5%, a very stable number. P.S. Give my regards to your cat.
Uh Jason do some research, every time the official formula used to gauge inflation goes above 5% they CHANGE THE FORMULA.....

CPI is no longer representative of reality.
I find it amusing that the FED quietly stopped
producing the M3 money supply figure when it became apparent that the overall supply was growing ~9%
Posted by: James Martinez, Fort Lauderdale, Florida on 1:25am Sun 11 Nov 07
Listening to Ron Paul gives me renewed hope for our country. He is the only one that doesn't pander to the Zionist lobby. It's time that we had a leader that fought for America's interest. We have been losing our constitutional rights at an alarming rate. The Republicans have been trying their best to scare the American public into accepting their trashing of our privacy rights. Luckily most of us have awakened from our slumber. There still is the die hard kool-aid drinkers in the rapture cult churches that are now willing to vote for pro-gay, pro-abortion, and pro-gun control “conservatives” but they are shrinking in numbers.
Posted by: Jason Davidson, Boise, Idaho on 1:52am Sun 11 Nov 07
Ah yes, the fed QUIETLY stopped figuring M3 into the money supply. They are so sneaky. I don't understand how they did it. With all of those articles in all of those newspapers and all of those news briefs on all of the news stations, and yet they did it so quietly. They are such sneaky sneaksters.
Posted by: Tony Rajoppe, San Diego, California on 2:08am Sun 11 Nov 07
Best Candidate for President- Ron Paul

I'm 44, and a conservative with a little political experience as I ran for the NJ State Assembly in 1993 under the NJ Conservative Party. The late Tom Blomquist, founder of that party, author of GrassRoots Politics, ran for Governor in that election. Blomquist believed (rightly so) that the two party system was corrupt because of special interests, and that these parties are controlled by big money. Even though Blomquist could have been elected many times over as a Republican, he choose the Conservative Party, (and we all lost the election running in 1993, but we did get our ideas out to the people). Dr. Paul has decided to take a different path--he wants to makes sure he wins. He realizes that the two party systems shuts out others and has decided to take back conservative values within the Republican Party. Special interests in the party don't like this and neither does most of the special interest controlled media. The media is mostly bought and paid for by very large corporations, i.e., special interests. The tide (and money) is now flowing toward the people taking back their government. Many of our policies are horrible. We hurt the retired (by deflating our currency),we waste the lives of the young on foolish wars, and the FED prints currency like drunken fools--(causing more inflation on gas and other imported items). And yes, many of us understand economic theory and what Ron Paul is talking about. Ron Paul's base will grow, his ideas on freedom and prosperity are popular. Finally we have one honest soul running for office. I am confident with the rise in fund raising and the growing grassroots base he is building that he will win the nomination for the Republican candidate for president. This is not a bad thing as he is only Republican against the war (77% of Americans are against the war). He is the BEST candidate positioned to beat Hillary Clinton in general election in 2008. The other Republicans would get crushed, only look at the last election to see a hint of the future for them.
Posted by: Philip Borde, Las Cruces, NM on 2:09am Sun 11 Nov 07
Remember Dr. Paul supporters: Word of mouth is the most potent form of advertising available. Tell friends, family, and co-workers. Don't let Faux News and the others ignore us. I'm an active duty Air Force medic and word is getting around the military about Dr. Paul. Keep up the good fight.
Posted by: Philip Borde, Las Cruces, NM on 2:13am Sun 11 Nov 07
I forgot to mention, Dr. Paul has one of the most diverse group of followers I've ever seen. If you're as sick as I am of all the in-fighting between different groups in this country, Dr. Paul is your man. There's no Blacks vs. Whites, Atheists vs. Christians, etc. We can all get along in this country. And I say it's a **** shame how we've been divided for so long. Let's all come together in the interest of democracy.
Posted by: Andy Rathgeber, Freeland Md on 2:18am Sun 11 Nov 07
Regarding the last sentence of this article:
Does anyone believe that as a third party candidate, Ron Paul would only split the conservative vote, thus insuring a Democrat victory?
My thought is that he is the only Republican that can beat Hillary solely because he will split the anti-war Democrat vote! (even some Democrats know they are being BSd by their candidates)
So as a third party candidate, wouldn't Ron Paul effect a similar result?
Posted by: Duane, Shoreline, Washington on 2:29am Sun 11 Nov 07
To Jason from Boise:

It was just reported on 11/8/07 that the national debt is now $9 trillion! Where is the U.S. going to get the money to pay the interest on that amount, let alone the principle? Ron Paul is the only candidate who is telling us the truth about our dire financial situation and the only candidate who has a viable solution. Go Ron Paul!
Posted by: TheOneLaw on 2:47am Sun 11 Nov 07
More than a few of us have been waiting for this moment for decades.
Posted by: Richard Bell, Pembroke Pines, Florida on 3:01am Sun 11 Nov 07
Dear Jason from Idaho,

When determining inflation, one needs to use Gold as a standard. For example, year 2003, Gold was selling at $ 300 per oz. today $ 815. Oil in 2003 was selling for $ 30 a barrel, today around $ 95. The ratio in 2003 was 10 barrels per oz. Today 8.6 barrels. Annualized 2 % per year. Yet we now pay 3 times the original price.
Why is that Jason? Think about it for a second. The politicians have destroy your money (in this case, the Republicans, which I have voted all my life but was disgusted with them in 2006). Open your eyes and your mind. We have the fortune of having the internet to research this. Don't take my word for it. Make the numbers yourself.

This is why we the people here who support Ron Paul, know that all politicians in both parties are there for the power. Ron Paul is here for our country. Yours and mine.

Come join us, join the revolution and be part of history!!!
Posted by: George, New Gretna NJ on 3:03am Sun 11 Nov 07
Please,Everyone take the time to listen to all the candidates to make an informed decision,every chance I get I listen ..And the only person that has an explained answer is Ron.Please take the time to watch on you tube the ron paul addresses nashua NH Telagraph 1 through 6 This is what helped me find the Truth..Thank you
p.s. Philadelphia was great...
Posted by: Richard Bell, Pembroke Pines, Florida on 3:10am Sun 11 Nov 07
Dear Jason from Idaho,

When determining inflation, one needs to use Gold as a standard. For example, year 2003, Gold was selling at $ 300 per oz. today $ 815. Oil in 2003 was selling for $ 30 a barrel, today around $ 95. The ratio in 2003 was 10 barrels per oz. Today 8.6 barrels. Annualized 2 % per year. Yet we now pay 3 times the original price.
Why is that Jason? Think about it for a second. The politicians have destroy your money (in this case, the Republicans, which I have voted all my life but was disgusted with them in 2006). Open your eyes and your mind. We have the fortune of having the internet to research this. Don't take my word for it. Make the numbers yourself.

This is why we the people here who support Ron Paul, know that all politicians in both parties are there for the power. Ron Paul is here for our country. Yours and mine.

Come join us, join the revolution and be part of history!!!
Posted by: Tom Paine, Windham, New Hampshire, USA on 3:37am Sun 11 Nov 07
I'm 58, a former Democrat who is tired of the party because it is so fearful of the criminals Bush and Cheney who lied about WMD in Iraq.
For the 1st time in my life, I registered as a Republican so I could have a change to vote for Ron Paul, a man of integrity who love liberty.
Posted by: Robert on 3:44am Sun 11 Nov 07
Jason Davidson wrote:
Uh, Kyle from Florida, I hate to rain on your "country in ruin," parade, but as an american citizen I must. The national inflation rate has been right around 2.5%, a very stable number.

P.S.

Give my regards to your cat.
That's right, Jason. The best way to gauge how much more expensive things are getting is not to observe... um, how much more expensive things are getting. Much better simply to believe government stats.
What's that expression? "Don't p*** down my back and tell me it's raining."
Posted by: BP, chicago,IL on 3:45am Sun 11 Nov 07
Jason Davidson... you'll use any excuse to defend the status-quo. HI gas prices? How about chicago gas prices... they are even HIGHER. To keep interest rates low the fed creates more money. That's why the dollar is going down. Way more supply without demand. Government inflation numbers are worthless. It's the price in the market that matters and I've watched practically everything I buy increase in price. Inflation eats away at our savings. The government taxes us on any gains we make to try to keep up with inflation. It's a hidden tax on the poor and middle class. All it does is make people short-term thinkers who spend money as they get to avoid losses which is ultimately bad for an economy.

Posted by: Stephen Forbush, Calf on 3:51am Sun 11 Nov 07
TeaParty07 dot com the new money bomp for Dr. Paul...$100 million not $10 million
1 million people x $100 = $100 mil
Posted by: matt, Alabama on 4:31am Sun 11 Nov 07
Dr. Ron Paul has cured my apathy as well as thousands more!
Posted by: Cleaner44, AZ on 4:35am Sun 11 Nov 07
Ron Paul can no longer be labeled a "long shot" candidate. He has clearly surpassed John McCain and is now a "top tier" candidate. Ron Paul dominates in Straw Polls, Debate Polls, Fund Raising, Web Traffic and Grass Roots Networking. I have created a website to support this statement.

Please visit www.thecaseforronpau
l.com and judge for yourself.
Posted by: Cleaner44, AZ on 4:37am Sun 11 Nov 07
Please visit www.thecaseforronpau
l.com
Posted by: Willem de Wit, Los Angeles on 4:43am Sun 11 Nov 07
Andrew wrote:

"He has been the lone dissenter in numerous votes, from a resolution to censure the Sudanese government over genocide in Darfur to a proposal to award Rosa Parks a golden Congressional medal."

You can't put those two votes into a journalistic piece objectively without providing Paul's reasons for voting "Nay" on those two bills.
Posted by: R.Burkland, Myakka City, Florida on 5:10am Sun 11 Nov 07
Ron Paul is the Thomas Jefferson of our time!

Vote Ron Paul 2008 SAVE THIS ONCE GREAT NATION!
Posted by: jesse, Shanghai, China on 5:11am Sun 11 Nov 07
I think Einstein said "We can't solve our problems with the same kind of thinking we used to create those problems". Ron Paul is the new kind of thinking. Voting for ANYONE else is a vote more of the same .
Posted by: Jason Davidson, Boise, Idaho on 5:12am Sun 11 Nov 07
WoW WOW WOW. "Gov inflation numbers are worthless its the price in the market that matters"??? Where do you think the economic indicator comes from? Magic? Thin air?

Prices for the goods and services used to calculate the CPI are collected in 87 urban areas throughout the country and from approximately 23,000 retail and service establishments. Data on rents are collected from about 50,000 landlords and tenants.
The weight for an item is derived from reported expenditures on that item as estimated by the Consumer Expenditure Survey.
The data and formulas are out there. Take some time. Double check if you'd like. There's nothing wrong with a little research to base your opinions on. That seems to be a lot more inclusive than somebody's cat food bill, and gas bill in isolated areas. I filled my car up for 2.97/gallon this week, equal to if not less than what I paid last year. Gas prices are higher now than they were in september and october. So what! Oil prices are cyclical due to seasonality. Demand increases, therefore prices increase. I'm not saying that prices are not inflating. My point is they are not inflating at an alarming rate. A steady rate of inflation is essential to a healthy economy. Deflation usually occurs during a recession and is characterized by supply exceeding demand, and while there is increased buying power, the amount of currency in circulation is greatly reduced. Marked deflation generally affects production and employment negatively. We have an economy that thrives on consumption. Increased consumption leads to a natural increase in prices. The goal of communism for economic prosperity was to minimize consumption, and we all know how that story ends. Whether or not you want to believe the legitimacy of the CPI is irrelevant. Its a much more effective indicator than what anyone else has proposed this evening. Inflation is not causing the "ruin of this country." Ignorance, however, may be playing a part.
Posted by: Rick Santelli, Redmond, WA on 5:17am Sun 11 Nov 07
Jason of Boise,

No intention of piling on you here, but here's some more anecdotes... I'm in the software business and I subcontract a lot of stuff overseas via rentacoder, etc. In the last year, the lowest qualified bids have been from guess where... here in the US! not India or China anymore. Want some non-anecdotes - look up a graph of exchange rates for the last few years and compare the US dollar to anything and I mean anything - I challenge you to find any comparison that will come anywhere under 10% per year.
Posted by: Bill Kosloskey, Petoskey MI on 5:17am Sun 11 Nov 07
I was politically comatose. 47 years old, married 15 years with 6 children ages 11 mos. to 12 years old. Dr. Paul revived me in the E.R. of truth. My veins were filled with the I.V. of truth from the U.S. Constitution and his 20 year record of integrity and common sense. Yes, he voted against giving medals to Rosa Parks and Ronald Reagan (his friend), but he also took $100 bucks out of his own pocket, challenged the other members of Congress to do the same, to pay for those medals, so WE the American taxpayers would NOT have to do so. That's often left out. I've been a Ron Paul junkie since May and can tell you that his support is VERY real. I love the under-dog, especially when they're most qualified to get the job done. Check out:
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Posted by: Laura, Mesquite Texas on 5:37am Sun 11 Nov 07
I am a Daughter of a Homeless Vietnam Veteran and I support Ron Paul! Please support the the Iraq Veterans Against the WAR!
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Posted by: NH_GOP on 5:53am Sun 11 Nov 07

Another 'oldie' here weighing in for Ron Paul.
Posted by: Jennifer, seattle on 5:53am Sun 11 Nov 07
Jason Davidson: WOW WOW WOW right back at you. "Inflation is not causing the 'ruin of this country.' Ignorance, however, may be playing a part." (!?)

It appears to me, from your comments, that it is you who are the ignorant one helping to ruin this country. It is glaringly apparent that you have never studied the subject of inflation seriously, and that you have drunk the Federal Reserve Bank's fabled KOOL-AID. Perhaps you studied Keynesian economics in school. But you have obviously never studied the Austrian school, and until you do -- and understand that "INFLATION" does NOT mean rising prices, it means the expansion of money and credit, which necessarily drives the value of the previously existing money and credit down -- then you are unfit to discuss the subject with any real credibility. In America, the Federal Reserve Note has lost so much value that it can only purchase in the marketplace what a mere 5 cents would have purchased in 1913. That is according to the CPI, which others have already pointed out here is constantly massaged by government to look better than it is. (Just like in all communist countries -- read George Orwell's 1984 to find out why.)

I strongly suggest, "Jason," that you visit FAME.org and MISES.org, and read Edwin Vieira's Pieces of Eight and G. Edward Griffin's The Creature of Jekyll Island BEFORE you proceed to address the issue of inflation anymore. Your sheer ignorance is painful to watch. I sincerely hope that the people reading here won't be led astray by your shallow and uninformed opinions.
Posted by: Jay, SF CA on 5:59am Sun 11 Nov 07
I'm 32 years old and I have been waiting for a libertarian candidate to reach "top tier" status for 10 years now. I had lost hope that the world might wake up before we destroyed ourselves with rampant collectivism. Ron Paul has reached that status. It's time to return this nation to a land of liberty and peace. Let's make our founding fathers proud. Ron Paul in 2008!
Posted by: Jason Davidson, Boise, Idaho on 6:16am Sun 11 Nov 07
Jennifer, You are right I did mistakenly use inflation synonymously with rising prices. Thankyou for the correction.
Posted by: Jason Davidson, Boise, Idaho on 6:26am Sun 11 Nov 07
Rick Santelli, Feel free to pile away. I took your challenge and looked up the exchange rates for several countries over the past year. The only currency that was consistent with your claim was the Euro, which came in about 13%. I also checked Japan's Yen, China's Yuan and Mexico's Peso. All three were less than .5%
Posted by: joe, La Mesa, Ca on 6:50am Sun 11 Nov 07
Romney, Giuliani, and McCain are nothing more then Democrates. There the ones that should think of 3rd Party runs. This Republican will be voting for Ron Paul the ONLY true conservative in the race.
Posted by: Doug D, California on 6:55am Sun 11 Nov 07
"More than a few of us have been waiting for this moment for decades."

The moment I'm waiting for is in early 2009, when Ron Paul places his hand on the bible and repeats after Chief Justice Roberts,

"I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

The cheering will echo from Washington to Hawaii, from Minnesota to Texas.

Revolutions always happen much more quickly than anyone expects.
Posted by: Rick Santelli, Redmond, WA on 7:36am Sun 11 Nov 07
Ok Rick, you're on :)

I'll give you credit for cherry picking currencies, but your .5% figure is flat out wrong according to Google Finance:
USD/YEN: 119.02 -> 110.9 = -7%
USD/CNY: 7.80 -> 7.42 = -5%
USD/MXN: 10.80 -> 10.82 = 0%

Never mind that the Yuan is strategically pegged to the dollar, Japan currently has a 0.5% interest rate, but even that that's still not enough. As for Mexico tracking US currency, I won't go there.

For those currencies of major trading partners that float:
USD/EUR: 0.76 -> 0.68 = -10%
USD/CAD: 1.16 -> 0.93 = -20%
USD/INR: 44.2 -> 39.18 = -11%
plus quite a few more...

OK, so some might say perhaps one year doesn't make a trend, then go back a few years...

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Posted by: Rick Santelli, Redmond, WA on 7:42am Sun 11 Nov 07
Sorry, above message was meant to be directed to Jason...
Posted by: Louis, Trenton, NJ on 7:56am Sun 11 Nov 07
GO RON PAUL!!
Posted by: Mel Young on 8:08am Sun 11 Nov 07
Gee...

I'm 66 years old and it's nice for someone to tell me that Dr. Paul is favored by 'younger' voters. I favor him because he knows, understands, and votes according to the Constitution.....you know? That thing that Bush described as a 'nothing but a G-D piece of paper!' Dr. Paul is the ONLY candidate anywhere near a Constitutionalist and he is no nut case, as so many try to emply.

Mel Young
Westminster, CA
Posted by: William, California on 8:10am Sun 11 Nov 07
Yet another 50 year old 'young voter' joining the revolution. Today, I was about to buy a new 60' flat screen LCD TV. While at the store I decided to forgo this luxury and will now give $2300 of that cost to Dr. Paul's campaign on December 16th.
Posted by: Nick, Holland, MI on 8:30am Sun 11 Nov 07
Myself being completely pro-small government and not wanting to be taken care of from cradle to grave by the government makes me a huge Ron Paul supporter. The income tax is unconstitutional. It's sole purpose is to pay off the interest the Federal Reserve charges us on the US dollar. Many people have the misconception that this ridiculous tax goes for beneficial things, but it doesn't. 35 PERCENT OF OUR INCOME GOES TOWARDS THIS. That means we work 4 months out of the year to pay this tax! It's insane. Nobody complains about it either. We need to abolish the central bank (the Federal Reserve) and get back to the core values this country was founded on: life, liberty, and freedom.
Posted by: Jason, Boise, ID on 8:33am Sun 11 Nov 07
Rick
China, Japan, and Mexico were just lucky guesses. Your numbers are right. Today is the first time I've ever written a comment online on anything other than ebay. I just thought I'd flap my yap and see where it went. I hope I didn't break any rules. You Ron Paul supporters aren't such bad people.
Boise State Broncos in 08
Posted by: Jason, Boise, ID on 8:46am Sun 11 Nov 07
Just one quick question and I'll promise to go away. Is Ron Paul and/or supporters in favor of pushing to eliminate our fiat system and replacing it with a gold standard or some other commodity based system?
Go Broncos
Posted by: Paul, Estonia on 9:28am Sun 11 Nov 07
Jason,

Ron Paul has a practical solution to moving away from fiat system - to allow competing currency, e.g. gold-backed privatly issued currency being used parallel to the FED issued USD.

P.S. Ron Paul Revolution is being followed by people all around the world. The world is watching.
Posted by: expat, overseas on 10:26am Sun 11 Nov 07
I didn't know much about Ron Paul until last week and I've been avidly reading about him since. I'm 51, a former entrepreneur, and left America because I had worked too hard all my life to let ruinous polical, economic and medical care policy rob me of my own financial future.

I've been a life-long democrat and yet Ron Paul is the only candidate running who gives me hope for the future of America.

If he gets elected, maybe I'll finally come back home.

Posted by: amy, metuchen, nj on 11:10am Sun 11 Nov 07
"In telephone polling of Republicans, which is still perceived as the only meaningful way to gauge potential primary votes" <---Hysterical..a journalism refresher class for the 20th century may be required for you....80% of America now online and getting most of their news there! reading this ignorant "joke" journalism is good though because no one will take you seriously and from looking at the comments, no one has. GO RON!
Posted by: Yok Finney, Ross-shire on 11:50am Sun 11 Nov 07
Ron Paul has a practical solution to moving away from fiat system - to allow competing currency, e.g. gold-backed privatly issued currency being used parallel to the FED issued USD.

Gold, what is it worth? I could have a gold brick holding the door open instead of a ceramic and what is it worth? It looks ugly as gold does unless it's made into something.

Silver is arguably a better currency. But surely we're past these times?

The wealth of a people is not in lumps of refined metal. So where is it?

The USA has been on a long slide -- to the extent that Chinese see it as the third world country by the Rockies. Ron Paul plays Texas -- can he play Chicago or Montana?
Posted by: David, Berlin, Germany on 1:51pm Sun 11 Nov 07
First of all sorry for my poor English, but I'm not a native speaker.

Regarding the discussion on inflation. The methodology to calculate CPI figures has been frequently changed in the course of the last decades (not only in the U.S.). These methodological changes did occur openly and were accompanied by an explanation why the government statisticians think that the new methodology better captures (price) inflation. But it is also a fact that all methodological changes have caused a downward revision in official CPI figures.

Take a look at the following example from the Greenspan era: Greenspan complained that CPI figures at that time actually overstated true inflation by not taking into account substitution effects. Greenspan argued that when the price of good A rises, part of the demand for that good will switch to goods B, C, D etc. Therefore, good A has too big a weight in the basket of goods that is used to measure inflation. Consequently, for a couple of years now, this basket of goods is regularly adjusted in a way that the weights of those goods with the largest price increases are systematically reduced, thereby biasing inflation numbers downwards. The problem with this methodology is the following: If consumers have to redirect part of their demand for good A to other goods because the price of good A has increased, their standard of living decreases. The reason for this is that they have to substitute good A with less desired goods B, C, D. This is basic microeconomics. An increase in the price for one good and the following substition of this good by others leads to a lower level of utility for the consumer. Consequently, if you measure CPI inflation this way, you compare the original basket of goods with a second basket of goods using different weights that provides consumers on average a lower utility. Hence, official inflation numbers measure how much more you have to pay to actually reach a lower standard of living. If you, however, would like to know how much you have to pay more to actually reach the same standard of living, the numbers are by defintion of the CPI measure necessarily larger. And this is just one of several methodological flaws in today's inflation measures.

U.S. statistician John Williams has a website on which he tracked down methodological changes in official inflation, GDP etc. figures over time (btw: there you can also find continued M3 figures for the U.S.). The shocking results are: If you would still use the methodology of 1980, a time that can hardly be described as statistical stone age, annualized CPI inflation in the U.S. would be above 10% in September. To be clear: It is not the structure of the basket of goods that is taken from 1980, only the principles to construct that basket.

If you want to assess the stability of official statistics over the years, always take into account methodological changes, otherwise the numbers may mislead you.
Posted by: Jon B, Chicago, IL on 4:11pm Sun 11 Nov 07