Expats and workers hit by new Olympic crackdown Foreigners feel ‘unwelcome’ in new visa regimeBy Paul Westerberg in Beijing AS TIBETAN torch-bearers prepared to take the flame up Mount Everest this weekend, China's Olympic crackdown scaled new heights, reaching beyond human rights activists into the once-cosy world of business travellers and expats.
Such incidents as human rights advocate Yang Chunlin having his arms and legs stretched and chained across a bed, 10 foreign reporters receiving death threats and Tibetan monks receiving hasty trials and hefty sentences surprised few witnesses to the state-sanctioned assault on the Western media.
But with fewer than 100 days until August 8, the "Peaceful Olympic Action" inspection squads sweeping through Beijing business and rental apartment complexes evicting migrant Chinese workers and "illegally employed" foreigners has come as a shock to many who had seen themselves as old friends of China.
"All the people who are living and working here but don't have the proper visa - we are tens of thousands - their aim is to put us all out," said Armand Lafare, a Beijing cafe owner. The clampdown comes during heightened tensions in the capital and other cities, with protests at the French Embassy in Beijing and outlets of the French supermarket chain Carrefour.
"If you have, say, a tourist or business visa, they won't let you upgrade to the Z employment visa and stay," explained Lafare. "This restriction applies only to the French, starting two weeks ago."
The new rules are bad for business, said European Chamber of Commerce president Joerg Wuttke, especially the requirement for expats with a business visa to return to their homeland and apply for a renewal.
"Some of my colleagues left China on holiday only to discover they can't come back," said a freelance English contractor for the British Council who requested anonymity. "I know foreigners have had an easy ride in the past, but I can't help feeling this is all a bit over the top."
British Council exams director for China, James Shipton, said his organisation, which hires freelance English examiners, was well-prepared, but it had been "extremely difficult".
Not only are these restrictions "truly annoying", said Wuttke, but the new visa rules remain unpublished. That's because there have been no changes to visa rules, foreign ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu insisted last week.
"I can assure you there will be no difficulty in applying for visas for all normal visiting, business and tourist trips to China," said Jiang.
But the English manager of a small tourism firm laughed when he heard this. "The Tibetan turmoil has not only put people off, it's cleared all our advance bookings. On top of that, we now have these vague new visa restrictions.
"There are rumours that travel to other parts of China will be restricted during the Olympics. The Olympics is bad for tourism all over China," he said.
China expects half a million visitors for the Olympics, along with 10,500 athletes and 18,000 accredited journalists. "The Chinese people will welcome foreign friends in a warm, enthusiastic and open-minded way," said Jiang Yu.
"I don't know where the welcome is," said the freelancer, a Beijing resident for eight years. "I've never felt unwelcome before, but I do now - and the worst thing is I bought Olympic tickets."
Now he cannot afford to use them. "Even if you rent or own an apartment, you still have to buy a return air ticket and make a hotel reservation and the visa is only valid for 30 days. That is what I have been told."
But another Beijing-based Briton felt it was "a bit ridiculous to complain too much. It's understandable with the Olympics coming."
The boss, who works with about 20 foreign contractors, said: "I can't say for sure we are going to be able to get around this. There might well be a lot of grey' people out there. Obviously nobody wants to go on the record about this."
"Corporate over-regulation" had created the problem, he said, adding that Chinese wanting to visit London in 2012 could expect an even harder time.
"Compared to visas of most countries in this world, it is convenient for most foreigners to get visas," China's foreign ministry said in a statement last week.
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Posted by: eastman on 1:08am Sun 4 May 08
[bold]bold[/bold] --"Chinese wanting to visit London in 2012 could expect an even harder time".
--"Chinese wanting to visit London in 2012 could expect an even harder time".
Posted by: China_ren, Relocated on 2:55am Sun 4 May 08
What is interesting about this article is that it clearly states that you can only work on a "F" visa. WE **** about corruption, but we take a "F" because we can, and pay bribes.
China is toughening up the regs yes, due in part to the Olympics, but hey...break the rules, pay the price
What is interesting about this article is that it clearly states that you can only work on a "F" visa. WE **** about corruption, but we take a "F" because we can, and pay bribes.
China is toughening up the regs yes, due in part to the Olympics, but hey...break the rules, pay the price
Posted by: qaplus, USA on 3:01am Sun 4 May 08
Foreigners need a working visa to work in US. Foreigners need a working visa to work in France. What's fuss about China requires the same thing?
Foreigners need a working visa to work in US. Foreigners need a working visa to work in France. What's fuss about China requires the same thing?
Posted by: kevin, US on 3:40am Sun 4 May 08
Stupid, what's wrong with china ask foreigners working legally? And this must be a part of Olympics security. London, who cares.
Stupid, what's wrong with china ask foreigners working legally? And this must be a part of Olympics security. London, who cares.
Posted by: Sam Richee on 5:17am Sun 4 May 08
Give me a break! Can foreigners work without proper visas in the US?
Disgusted with this media ****!
Give me a break! Can foreigners work without proper visas in the US?
Disgusted with this media ****!
Posted by: Not a Chinese Th*g, French Supermarket on 5:46am Sun 4 May 08
Every country requires foreigners to have work visas in order to work in that country.
But only a few country will not announce to the public beforehand if there are changes to the policy. LOL. And that is China.
Also, only a few country requires its own citizen to have proper paper work in order to work/stay in a particular city in that country.
So, in this sense, foreigners are treated much better than the Chinese themselves.
Every country requires foreigners to have work visas in order to work in that country.
But only a few country will not announce to the public beforehand if there are changes to the policy. LOL. And that is China.
Also, only a few country requires its own citizen to have proper paper work in order to work/stay in a particular city in that country.
So, in this sense, foreigners are treated much better than the Chinese themselves.
Posted by: D300 on 5:55am Sun 4 May 08
European and NA countries have strict immigrant laws against illegal workers. Chinese government just followed their examples to enforce their own laws. So it's a fair game.
European and NA countries have strict immigrant laws against illegal workers. Chinese government just followed their examples to enforce their own laws. So it's a fair game.
Posted by: Adam, Beijing on 7:48am Sun 4 May 08
While I completely agree with these comments, they are obviously not written by people who has been to China for employment. As anyone who has worked here can attest, most Chinese employers will instruct foreigners to get a tourist visa simply because they don't know how or don't want to put in the effort to get the proper documentation. Without employer support, you can't get a work visa and the majority of employers won't bother because they find it easier to just tell the foreigners to get a tourist visa. This is extremely common and I'd argue more than 3/4 of all foreigners working for Chinese schools and companies are here on tourist visas.
The author foolishly assumed his readers were experienced with working in China and didn't fully explain how work visas are not only unnecessary but nearly impossible to get and the complaint is that they've suddenly decided to enforce their visa policies which is sending many foreigners who've built careers in China back home without any prior notice.
While I agree that the article appears to be hypocritical, you'll never find an American or British company hire a Chinese person, promise to get them a work visa after they arrive on a tourist visa and then tell them they can't do the paperwork because they can't find the time so the tourist visa will be sufficient and they'll just have to pretend to be tourists every time they apply for a new visa.
While I completely agree with these comments, they are obviously not written by people who has been to China for employment. As anyone who has worked here can attest, most Chinese employers will instruct foreigners to get a tourist visa simply because they don't know how or don't want to put in the effort to get the proper documentation. Without employer support, you can't get a work visa and the majority of employers won't bother because they find it easier to just tell the foreigners to get a tourist visa. This is extremely common and I'd argue more than 3/4 of all foreigners working for Chinese schools and companies are here on tourist visas.
The author foolishly assumed his readers were experienced with working in China and didn't fully explain how work visas are not only unnecessary but nearly impossible to get and the complaint is that they've suddenly decided to enforce their visa policies which is sending many foreigners who've built careers in China back home without any prior notice.
While I agree that the article appears to be hypocritical, you'll never find an American or British company hire a Chinese person, promise to get them a work visa after they arrive on a tourist visa and then tell them they can't do the paperwork because they can't find the time so the tourist visa will be sufficient and they'll just have to pretend to be tourists every time they apply for a new visa.
Posted by: Karibdis, China on 11:53am Sun 4 May 08
The reason its difficult for Chinese to get visas to the UK is simply cos they are liable not to want to return. On top of this they are unlikely to bring any skills or significant economic input to the country. Its cold and utalitarian, but sort of necessary. I have had to go through the process to get my girlfriend a visa, and I admit it was frustrating, but there are clear reasons for this.
However, this frustration does not compare to the frustration the new Chinese visa rules (or actually the lack of new rules) is causing. Why can't those with a Chinese visa history, who have made lives here, continue to extend their visas? These rules could just have applied to first-time visa applicants coming for the games. They are clumsy and un-thoughtout. They will cause significant damage to Hong Kong-Guangzhou business links, and drive out of the country many who make significant contributions to its development - economic, social, cultural and educational...
To add to grievances, in a typical authoritarian, non-transparent fashion, Beijing won't clarify the rules, and won't even admit they exist. In fact, it seems they positively [bold]don't[/bold] want people to find out the rules; the popular blog I have been using to keep up to date on visa news is now being blocked on the mainland by the Great Firewall. Could you ever see the UK visa authorities doing any of this at the drop of a hat?
The reason its difficult for Chinese to get visas to the UK is simply cos they are liable not to want to return. On top of this they are unlikely to bring any skills or significant economic input to the country. Its cold and utalitarian, but sort of necessary. I have had to go through the process to get my girlfriend a visa, and I admit it was frustrating, but there are clear reasons for this.
However, this frustration does not compare to the frustration the new Chinese visa rules (or actually the lack of new rules) is causing. Why can't those with a Chinese visa history, who have made lives here, continue to extend their visas? These rules could just have applied to first-time visa applicants coming for the games. They are clumsy and un-thoughtout. They will cause significant damage to Hong Kong-Guangzhou business links, and drive out of the country many who make significant contributions to its development - economic, social, cultural and educational...
To add to grievances, in a typical authoritarian, non-transparent fashion, Beijing won't clarify the rules, and won't even admit they exist. In fact, it seems they positively
don't want people to find out the rules; the popular blog I have been using to keep up to date on visa news is now being blocked on the mainland by the Great Firewall. Could you ever see the UK visa authorities doing any of this at the drop of a hat?
Posted by: wg3 on 2:52pm Sun 4 May 08
Karibdi:
Don't forget these illegal workers there have evaded enormous tax and responsibility, it's simply too late to strictly implement the rules which you will find out easily on government website?
You can not compare UK and China by the way, as China never used gun to force opium on other nations.
Karibdi:
Don't forget these illegal workers there have evaded enormous tax and responsibility, it's simply too late to strictly implement the rules which you will find out easily on government website?
You can not compare UK and China by the way, as China never used gun to force opium on other nations.
Posted by: Dan, Portland Oregon on 8:01am Mon 5 May 08
I am a Chinese, I always think China made it too easy for foreigners to come and stay in the past 20 years. I especially bothered by those foreigners staying in China on business or tourist visa. They should leave asap when their visa expired!!!!!!!!!!!!!
! China is a sovereign country. It is hard for Chinese to visit and stay in UK or USA, then it should be the same the other way around!!!!!!!!!
I am a Chinese, I always think China made it too easy for foreigners to come and stay in the past 20 years. I especially bothered by those foreigners staying in China on business or tourist visa. They should leave asap when their visa expired!!!!!!!!!!!!!
! China is a sovereign country. It is hard for Chinese to visit and stay in UK or USA, then it should be the same the other way around!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Mikkel on 9:21pm Tue 6 May 08
"The reason its difficult for Chinese to get visas to the UK is simply cos they are liable not to want to return.."
And:
"Why can't those with a Chinese visa history, who have made lives here, continue to extend their visas?"
Well, China is appearently just toughening up, just as UK and many other countries. Maybe China has realized that *some* people are "liable not to return".
Most visa relations are bilateral, ie.: if country 1 toughens its visa stance towards country 2, then country 2 will make toughen its visa stance towards country 1.
If UK goes out of its way to make it hard on the chinese, expect to be met with the same measures. It's really very simple.
"The reason its difficult for Chinese to get visas to the UK is simply cos they are liable not to want to return.."
And:
"Why can't those with a Chinese visa history, who have made lives here, continue to extend their visas?"
Well, China is appearently just toughening up, just as UK and many other countries. Maybe China has realized that *some* people are "liable not to return".
Most visa relations are bilateral, ie.: if country 1 toughens its visa stance towards country 2, then country 2 will make toughen its visa stance towards country 1.
If UK goes out of its way to make it hard on the chinese, expect to be met with the same measures. It's really very simple.
Posted by: Adam, Beijing on 8:19am Thu 8 May 08
Bringing up the Opium wars into this discussion is just silly and has no bearing on this matter whatsoever.
The fact of the matter is that the demand for foreign employees far exceeds the current supply, even with so many working on tourist visas. The American Chamber of Commerce just released a White Paper that included lack quality human resources as one of the major problems companies face in China.
To put this up to "fairness" is completely nonsensical because it just simply doesn't reflect the reality of the situation. Whether or not China makes it easier for foreigners to get work visas won't change concerning the demand for foreign employees and this means there will just be more working as tourists.
In the U.S. it is difficult to get a work visa but if a company can demonstrate they couldn't find a suitable applicant domestically then they can issue a work visa. That is the case here as the foreigners are filling specific niches that a Chinese person isn't able to do as well like teach English, but instead they are all on tourist visas.
When American farmers were lining up to get migrant workers from Mexico we've allowed work visa exceptions because we understand the demand in California for migrant labor.
Bringing up the Opium wars into this discussion is just silly and has no bearing on this matter whatsoever.
The fact of the matter is that the demand for foreign employees far exceeds the current supply, even with so many working on tourist visas. The American Chamber of Commerce just released a White Paper that included lack quality human resources as one of the major problems companies face in China.
To put this up to "fairness" is completely nonsensical because it just simply doesn't reflect the reality of the situation. Whether or not China makes it easier for foreigners to get work visas won't change concerning the demand for foreign employees and this means there will just be more working as tourists.
In the U.S. it is difficult to get a work visa but if a company can demonstrate they couldn't find a suitable applicant domestically then they can issue a work visa. That is the case here as the foreigners are filling specific niches that a Chinese person isn't able to do as well like teach English, but instead they are all on tourist visas.
When American farmers were lining up to get migrant workers from Mexico we've allowed work visa exceptions because we understand the demand in California for migrant labor.
Posted by: Adam, Beijing on 8:21am Thu 8 May 08
Additionally, the number of Chinese working and studying in America alone far exceeds the amount of total foreigners living in China.
Additionally, the number of Chinese working and studying in America alone far exceeds the amount of total foreigners living in China.
Posted by: Ka C CHU Mr, Hull, England, The UKGB (HU3) on 5:12pm Fri 9 May 08
"On top of this they are unlikely to bring any skills or significant economic input to the country."
That is why that many alien foreign nations are unwanted in the Chinese State and in the People's Popular ... Republic of China, as being unwanted in the nations states of nationality/citizens
hip and/or of origins as well, as demonstrated being explicitly racist towards the Chinese themselves, whilst happily go easy with the fairer sex locally and to lay their hands upon the China and the Chinese silver.
That as a person from Hong Kong that who now lives in the English/British State & in England & the United Kingdom of Great Britain, that I hereby testify that I have been verbally abused daily, as "being an illegal / a unlawful DVD-seller", merely because of the colour of my skin and without reasonable cause. Am I of no skills because of the colour of my skin? How dare you?!
I mean, there are just as many natural-born natural North American and Australian Orientals with reasonable command and proficiency of the English language; and the others only really benefited in the Chinese State & in the People's Popular ... Republic of China by the racism of the Chinese themselves. Live by sword, and die by the sword. The Chicken has come home to roost.
Anyway, remember the CSS Alabama, and the American Alabama Claims; and to cease the conspiracy to destroy China from being the Middle Kingdom, by the means of Tibet or otherwise; and then we could all happily live together upon the same bed ever after; and can we?
"On top of this they are unlikely to bring any skills or significant economic input to the country."
That is why that many alien foreign nations are unwanted in the Chinese State and in the People's Popular ... Republic of China, as being unwanted in the nations states of nationality/citizens
hip and/or of origins as well, as demonstrated being explicitly racist towards the Chinese themselves, whilst happily go easy with the fairer sex locally and to lay their hands upon the China and the Chinese silver.
That as a person from Hong Kong that who now lives in the English/British State & in England & the United Kingdom of Great Britain, that I hereby testify that I have been verbally abused daily, as "being an illegal / a unlawful DVD-seller", merely because of the colour of my skin and without reasonable cause. Am I of no skills because of the colour of my skin? How dare you?!
I mean, there are just as many natural-born natural North American and Australian Orientals with reasonable command and proficiency of the English language; and the others only really benefited in the Chinese State & in the People's Popular ... Republic of China by the racism of the Chinese themselves. Live by sword, and die by the sword. The Chicken has come home to roost.
Anyway, remember the CSS Alabama, and the American Alabama Claims; and to cease the conspiracy to destroy China from being the Middle Kingdom, by the means of Tibet or otherwise; and then we could all happily live together upon the same bed ever after; and can we?
Posted by: Ka C CHU Mr, Hull, England, The UKGB (HU3) on 5:27pm Fri 9 May 08
It just came to me within the past few weeks, y'all, why so many folks are hating the Chinese. They doesn't fit the model. They ain't white, they ain't rich, and they ain't privileged. White men and the White man with their White Tibetans fit the mould. Europeans fit the mould, the White man and the White Tibetans fits the mould. … White men fit the mould. White men and the White man in the Chinese State & in China never had cabs (or even buses) whiz past them and not pick them up because their skin was [of] the wrong colour. White men and the White man in the Chinese State & in China never had to worry about being pulled over in their cars as White men and the White man driving in the wrong… (or passports). I am sick of the Chinese who just do not get it. …. I know what it means to be a Oriental Chinese man living in a country and a culture that is controlled by … white people. White men and the White man in the Chinese State & in China can never know that. White men and the White man in the Chinese State & in China ain't never been called C***ks or the C****men or DVD-sellers. White men and the White man in the Chinese State & in China has never had our people defined as non-persons.
It just came to me within the past few weeks, y'all, why so many folks are hating the Chinese. They doesn't fit the model. They ain't white, they ain't rich, and they ain't privileged. White men and the White man with their White Tibetans fit the mould. Europeans fit the mould, the White man and the White Tibetans fits the mould. … White men fit the mould. White men and the White man in the Chinese State & in China never had cabs (or even buses) whiz past them and not pick them up because their skin was the wrong colour. White men and the White man in the Chinese State & in China never had to worry about being pulled over in their cars as White men and the White man driving in the wrong… (or passports). I am sick of the Chinese who just do not get it. …. I know what it means to be a Oriental Chinese man living in a country and a culture that is controlled by … white people. White men and the White man in the Chinese State & in China can never know that. White men and the White man in the Chinese State & in China ain't never been called C***ks or the C****men or DVD-sellers. White men and the White man in the Chinese State & in China has never had our people defined as non-persons.
Posted by: Ka C CHU Mr, Hull, England, The UKGB (HU3) on 5:40pm Fri 9 May 08
REMEMBER AND NEVER FORGET THE CHINESE EXCLUSION ACT OF THE UNION OF THE AMERICAN UNITED STATES & OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!
(Especially when there are still explicit (albeit actual articles had long been repealed) references are still in the (Legal) Code of the Union & of the United States under the Immigration & Nationality Act.)
Surely now it is now high time to face some exclusion for White men and the White man, since White men and the White man are and have never been wanted out-with outside of walls of Hong Kong & the Chinese Autonomous Special Administrative Regions to the Chinese State, or of Amoy/Quemoy & Taiwan/Formosa, or Kwang-Chow-Wan & Hainan?! The Chinese, racist themselves that they may or might be, certainly cannot stand White racism, and their obsessions with Africans and trees, for one thing!
REMEMBER AND NEVER FORGET THE CHINESE EXCLUSION ACT OF THE UNION OF THE AMERICAN UNITED STATES & OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!
(Especially when there are still explicit (albeit actual articles had long been repealed) references are still in the (Legal) Code of the Union & of the United States under the Immigration & Nationality Act.)
Surely now it is now high time to face some exclusion for White men and the White man, since White men and the White man are and have never been wanted out-with outside of walls of Hong Kong & the Chinese Autonomous Special Administrative Regions to the Chinese State, or of Amoy/Quemoy & Taiwan/Formosa, or Kwang-Chow-Wan & Hainan?! The Chinese, racist themselves that they may or might be, certainly cannot stand White racism, and their obsessions with Africans and trees, for one thing!