‘Silent tsunami’ of hunger looms as poor feel impact of rocketing food costs Government takes action to stabilise prices and prevent riots and unrestBy Ray Thibodeaux in New Delhi LAXMI, A 43-year-old mother of four, has resorted to praying to her Hindu gods for cheaper food at her local temple in New Delhi, India's capital.
"The rising prices are having a huge impact on our family," Laxmi, who goes by only one name, said after offering a basket of bananas to a statue of one of the deities at the temple.
"For now, we are just trying to buy the cheaper versions of rice and cooking oil. It's a matter of coping until things get really bad," said Laxmi, whose husband is retired from a government job. She earns extra money as a substitute librarian, but the work is low-paid and infrequent.
Across India, inflation is soaring with no quick relief in sight, a sign that the country's economic boom appears to be winding down. Last week it surpassed 7.5%, more than twice the global average and a four-year high for the subcontinent.
The latest jump, some economists say, is being spurred by skyrocketing food prices, a serious concern in a country with around 40% of the world's malnourished people.
Some analysts see the recent turmoil as part of a global "silent tsunami" of dire hunger looming over half a billion of the world's poor as Western farmers - particularly farmers in the US, who contribute the majority of the world's food relief - convert more and more of their food crops into biofuels for cars.
"For two billion people, high food prices are now a matter of daily struggle, sacrifice and for too many, even survival," said Robert Zoellick, the World Bank president, in a recent speech. He warned that spikes in fuel prices and the cost of food, which has risen 45% in the past year, have put at least 30 countries at risk of potentially violent social unrest.
In India, spiralling inflation and sky-high food prices have become serious political issues that have already sparked riots in some parts of the country. The fear of more unrest spurred the government into action.
"The world community has not done enough to address this challenge," said India's prime minister, Manmohan Singh, in a nationally televised address.
"The government is fully alive to the challenge and has taken several steps to reverse the recent spurt in prices," said Singh, widely perceived here as a champion of the nation's poor.
So far, the government has banned exports of certain food, scrapped some import tariffs, and vowed to freeze prices if they don't stabilise on their own. Fearing that futures speculators were artificially jacking up food prices, the government also halted futures trading on rice, wheat and other essential commodities.
The increasing cost of food should be good news for India's farmers, who make up the vast majority of the nation's
1.1 billion people. Not so, says Krishan Bir Chaudhary, president of the New Delhi-based Indian Farmers Forum.
"Despite the good food crop production, the farmers do not gain in the process. There is manipulation of the market," Chaudhary told a press conference last week.
"Farmers are paid relatively lower prices than what the corporate houses quote on futures."
Still, not all Indians have been forced to tighten their belts yet. India's growing middle class - an estimated 50 million people making between £3000 and £12,000 a year - has benefited from the higher salaries and other perks of almost a decade of record economic growth.
"Our salaries have gone up and so we expect food prices to go up, too. That's normal," said Jyoti Chopra, a government architect and mother of two. "Our main concern now is the cost of petrol. Together, my husband and I commute about 100km a day, and with fuel prices going up, that is starting to hurt."
Only about 10% of her household budget goes on food. By contrast, the vast majority of Indians earn about £1 a day, with as much as 70% of that going towards food. For them, hikes in the price of wheat, lentils, rice or onions are keenly felt at the dinner table.
U Vadyathien, the head Hindu priest at the New Delhi temple where Laxmi prays, said humanity was passing through an age of "rage and frustration, known as Kalyug".
In Hindi scripture Kalyug, or Kali Yuga, refers to an apocalyptic stage of human development.
"Times are very tough, the poor just stay poor," he said, his face smeared with chalk to signify his religious devotion. "The prices are rising, but the salaries are not rising. These are dark times and the suffering is bound to get worse."
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Posted by: Tam Glen, the but n ben on 2:50pm Sun 4 May 08
There is a shortage of food in India. but theres to many mouths to feed.
Over population is the problem facing the world. India should take steps to try and reduce its population.
Religion does not help, India has the largest number of cattle on Earth, but they can't be eaten.
There is a shortage of food in India. but theres to many mouths to feed.
Over population is the problem facing the world. India should take steps to try and reduce its population.
Religion does not help, India has the largest number of cattle on Earth, but they can't be eaten.
Posted by: Draconius, Paterson NJ USA on 8:46pm Sun 4 May 08
Laxmi should have taken that basket of bananas and fed them to her kids, for all the good sacrificing them to a pagan god who can't hear, speak or eat will do.
Laxmi should have taken that basket of bananas and fed them to her kids, for all the good sacrificing them to a pagan god who can't hear, speak or eat will do.
Posted by: Remembering Lady Thatcher, Edinburgh on 9:53pm Sun 4 May 08
While some worry about how they'll afford 2 holidays a year, millions around the world can't get anything to eat. We are confronted with starvation on a scale we haven't seen before. Last week the IMF said: "Certainly hundreds of thousands, if not millions, will starve."
And the reason?
Rich capitalist countries strive to keep the rest in their place. Yes, free-market capitalism (or greed) has proved an excellent mechanism for keeping the millions poor and starving.
Wheat, rice and cooking oil have doubled in price in 10 months. There is a palm iol shortage - it takes 8 years to grow trees to maturity, so soaring cooking oil prices are not just a simple hiccup. Various groups asked the IMF and the World Bank to put measures into place as soon as this was known but selfish European and American farmers disagreed and Bush's government dragged their heels. Now it's too late. The Food and Agriculture Organisation have been throwing pennies at this.
Alistair Darling blew more than 50b of our money on Northern Rock. Now, we learn the Bank of England will hand out 50b more to other banks. Same thing is happening in America at JP Morgan Chase. What a pity all the emphasis is on supporting banks and worrying about the financial crisis is the priority, not the world's starving.
While some worry about how they'll afford 2 holidays a year, millions around the world can't get anything to eat. We are confronted with starvation on a scale we haven't seen before. Last week the IMF said: "Certainly hundreds of thousands, if not millions, will starve."
And the reason?
Rich capitalist countries strive to keep the rest in their place. Yes, free-market capitalism (or greed) has proved an excellent mechanism for keeping the millions poor and starving.
Wheat, rice and cooking oil have doubled in price in 10 months. There is a palm iol shortage - it takes 8 years to grow trees to maturity, so soaring cooking oil prices are not just a simple hiccup. Various groups asked the IMF and the World Bank to put measures into place as soon as this was known but selfish European and American farmers disagreed and Bush's government dragged their heels. Now it's too late. The Food and Agriculture Organisation have been throwing pennies at this.
Alistair Darling blew more than 50b of our money on Northern Rock. Now, we learn the Bank of England will hand out 50b more to other banks. Same thing is happening in America at JP Morgan Chase. What a pity all the emphasis is on supporting banks and worrying about the financial crisis is the priority, not the world's starving.
Posted by: Stop the world on 10:15pm Sun 4 May 08
Tam writes from his butnben, "India should take steps to try and reduce its population." What exactly do you suggest? Genocide of the dalits? Nuclear war with Pakistan?
Its social reform, abolishing caste, and dealing with poverty that the India needs. Anyone with a smidgeon of international economic knowledge knows that development leads to population growth slowing and stablising. India should not be curbing its population but its social inequality.
Tam writes from his butnben, "India should take steps to try and reduce its population." What exactly do you suggest? Genocide of the dalits? Nuclear war with Pakistan?
Its social reform, abolishing caste, and dealing with poverty that the India needs. Anyone with a smidgeon of international economic knowledge knows that development leads to population growth slowing and stablising. India should not be curbing its population but its social inequality.
Posted by: Jane Carter, Czech Republic on 11:00pm Sun 4 May 08
If people stopped eating meat there would be more than enough food to go round. Every kilo of meat protein costs ten kilos of plant protein.
If people stopped eating meat there would be more than enough food to go round. Every kilo of meat protein costs ten kilos of plant protein.
Posted by: Lydia pereira, uk on 12:01am Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]Remembering Lady Thatcher[/bold] wrote:
While some worry about how they\\\'ll afford 2 holidays a year, millions around the world can\\\'t get anything to eat. We are confronted with starvation on a scale we haven\\\'t seen before. Last week the IMF said: \\\"Certainly hundreds of thousands, if not millions, will starve.\\\" And the reason? Rich capitalist countries strive to keep the rest in their place. Yes, free-market capitalism (or greed) has proved an excellent mechanism for keeping the millions poor and starving. Wheat, rice and cooking oil have doubled in price in 10 months. There is a palm iol shortage - it takes 8 years to grow trees to maturity, so soaring cooking oil prices are not just a simple hiccup. Various groups asked the IMF and the World Bank to put measures into place as soon as this was known but selfish European and American farmers disagreed and Bush\\\'s government dragged their heels. Now it\\\'s too late. The Food and Agriculture Organisation have been throwing pennies at this. Alistair Darling blew more than 50b of our money on Northern Rock. Now, we learn the Bank of England will hand out 50b more to other banks. Same thing is happening in America at JP Morgan Chase. What a pity all the emphasis is on supporting banks and worrying about the financial crisis is the priority, not the world\\\'s starving.[/quote] I agree with you totally. personally I wish I could go to these countries myself and bring them their staple diet, of rice,cornflour ect. which we all have in our food cupboards. It makes me sick that our so-called governments and stupid celebebs; are always saying they will do more to help. When they do nothing
Remembering Lady Thatcher wrote:
While some worry about how they'll afford 2 holidays a year, millions around the world can't get anything to eat. We are confronted with starvation on a scale we haven't seen before. Last week the IMF said: \\\"Certainly hundreds of thousands, if not millions, will starve.\\\" And the reason? Rich capitalist countries strive to keep the rest in their place. Yes, free-market capitalism (or greed) has proved an excellent mechanism for keeping the millions poor and starving. Wheat, rice and cooking oil have doubled in price in 10 months. There is a palm iol shortage - it takes 8 years to grow trees to maturity, so soaring cooking oil prices are not just a simple hiccup. Various groups asked the IMF and the World Bank to put measures into place as soon as this was known but selfish European and American farmers disagreed and Bush's government dragged their heels. Now it's too late. The Food and Agriculture Organisation have been throwing pennies at this. Alistair Darling blew more than 50b of our money on Northern Rock. Now, we learn the Bank of England will hand out 50b more to other banks. Same thing is happening in America at JP Morgan Chase. What a pity all the emphasis is on supporting banks and worrying about the financial crisis is the priority, not the world's starving.
I agree with you totally. personally I wish I could go to these countries myself and bring them their staple diet, of rice,cornflour ect. which we all have in our food cupboards. It makes me sick that our so-called governments and stupid celebebs; are always saying they will do more to help. When they do nothing
Posted by: Swordfish, Gold Coast on 1:17am Mon 5 May 08
Tam Glen,
That's a really dumb statement. It costs 30 calories for one calorie of Beef (Cattle). It's the most inefficient meat around (especially compared to fish and chicken). So saying that cattle can't be eaten is the problem is an ignorant comment. Infact, the per acre yield of food in India is half of that of China, and even less than developed countries. In other words, with better irrigation and water infrastructure (especially rain water harvesting), food production in India can double. The lack of Cold storage alone accounts for 40-60% loss in Produce. Easily fixable problems if Billions are invested. Seems mostly a management problem.
Typcial comment though of Western Christian fanactics who hate Hindus. Try to blame everything on Hinduism, when infact Hindu culture which has been around for 5000 years is what made India great in the past. India will Industrialize and recover.
Tam Glen,
That's a really dumb statement. It costs 30 calories for one calorie of Beef (Cattle). It's the most inefficient meat around (especially compared to fish and chicken). So saying that cattle can't be eaten is the problem is an ignorant comment. Infact, the per acre yield of food in India is half of that of China, and even less than developed countries. In other words, with better irrigation and water infrastructure (especially rain water harvesting), food production in India can double. The lack of Cold storage alone accounts for 40-60% loss in Produce. Easily fixable problems if Billions are invested. Seems mostly a management problem.
Typcial comment though of Western Christian fanactics who hate Hindus. Try to blame everything on Hinduism, when infact Hindu culture which has been around for 5000 years is what made India great in the past. India will Industrialize and recover.
Posted by: Firebird, Pueblo, Colorado on 1:23am Mon 5 May 08
A lot of ignorant people don't know that accordingto the Gini index (Used by Economists to measure inequality), India has the same income distribution as the UK (around 35). To find these numbers look at the CIA workfactbook and GINI index for each country (www.cia.gov). Infact China and the US have higher income inequality than India (45 and 44). Brazil is sky high (at 59)
THe comment about pagan gods is really stupid. Infact all food that's offered is consumed by Humans. What's so great about Jesus, and the Xtian god? Is he helping starving Xtians in the Philippines, South American and Africa? What about during the dark ages of Europe which was fanatically Xtian?
British people should be the last ones to Criticize India when they caused the 1943 Bengal Famine killing 4 million Indians due to looting of Grain. Britain is also largely responsible for stifling Industrialization in India by preventing growth of the Steel and Textile Industries. (Including cutting thumbs of Weavers in Bengal to prevent competition for British products).
A lot of ignorant people don't know that accordingto the Gini index (Used by Economists to measure inequality), India has the same income distribution as the UK (around 35). To find these numbers look at the CIA workfactbook and GINI index for each country (www.cia.gov). Infact China and the US have higher income inequality than India (45 and 44). Brazil is sky high (at 59)
THe comment about pagan gods is really stupid. Infact all food that's offered is consumed by Humans. What's so great about Jesus, and the Xtian god? Is he helping starving Xtians in the Philippines, South American and Africa? What about during the dark ages of Europe which was fanatically Xtian?
British people should be the last ones to Criticize India when they caused the 1943 Bengal Famine killing 4 million Indians due to looting of Grain. Britain is also largely responsible for stifling Industrialization in India by preventing growth of the Steel and Textile Industries. (Including cutting thumbs of Weavers in Bengal to prevent competition for British products).
Posted by: Commander Z, Patriot Militia on 1:53am Mon 5 May 08
Jews are now starving the Goy into submission.
Jew Depression II is starting and Jew WWIII is now forming in the Gulf. Be prepared for famine and cannibalism. See the history of Jew Communist Bolshevik Russia, Ukraine,and Gaza today.
Jews did 911 and all world wars.
w w w dot Jews-Did-911 dot com
Jews hate freedom of speech.
Jews are now starving the Goy into submission.
Jew Depression II is starting and Jew WWIII is now forming in the Gulf. Be prepared for famine and cannibalism. See the history of Jew Communist Bolshevik Russia, Ukraine,and Gaza today.
Jews did 911 and all world wars.
w w w dot Jews-Did-911 dot com
Jews hate freedom of speech.
Posted by: DC Madam, Washingon, DC on 7:16am Mon 5 May 08
Let them starve, then the root problem (over-population) will be resolve by natural law of survival] and balance[bold]bold[/bold]
Let them starve, then the root problem (over-population) will be resolve by natural law of survival] and balance
Posted by: mrl, USA on 9:06am Mon 5 May 08
I am glad to see that they stopped futures trading and have threatened to fix prices. They probably should fix the price of basic grains and proteins, and other foods necessary for good health (such as vitamin C containing foods, etc). These foods are the basis of life and should be the basis of a fair, healthy and sustainable economy for each region and for the whole world. We should practice economic principles that do not oppress the farmers or the poor for the benefit of high profits to the few or powerful.
About eliminating meat from the diet... I think the western world can cut back a great deal from current levels of consumption. We do not need to eat meat 2 or 3 times a day as so many do. Even if people cut back to one moderate portion per day it would make a great difference and we would perhaps see some health gains as well. There are many people that do quite well as vegetarians, but I don't think we can expect that of everyone, since for many people it is their only source of many of the proteins, etc, that they need. But cutting back would help a great deal and allow an increase of more productive farming and would probably help alleviate some of our environmental pollution problems.
As for the Christians and Jesus... Religion is a little too politicized sometimes. There are a lot of people that come from "christian" cultures and may consider themselves Christians, but who do not know or understand or practice some things that Jesus taught. Jesus did teach that we should take care of each other, especially the poor, and not be greedy. I do know for example, that Jesus gave at least one parable in which a self-centered rich man died and looked up from hell to see a poor suffering beggar he had known comforted in heaven. I don't care a lot about what religious faith or tradition a person claims, because I have seen very good people (and some not so good people) in every honest-hearted religious tradition I have been able to observe. But if we were all to do our best to try and live the things Jesus taught about how we should treat each other, and about kindness, forgiveness and virtue, I am sure the world would soon be a much happier place in which to live.
I am glad to see that they stopped futures trading and have threatened to fix prices. They probably should fix the price of basic grains and proteins, and other foods necessary for good health (such as vitamin C containing foods, etc). These foods are the basis of life and should be the basis of a fair, healthy and sustainable economy for each region and for the whole world. We should practice economic principles that do not oppress the farmers or the poor for the benefit of high profits to the few or powerful.
About eliminating meat from the diet... I think the western world can cut back a great deal from current levels of consumption. We do not need to eat meat 2 or 3 times a day as so many do. Even if people cut back to one moderate portion per day it would make a great difference and we would perhaps see some health gains as well. There are many people that do quite well as vegetarians, but I don't think we can expect that of everyone, since for many people it is their only source of many of the proteins, etc, that they need. But cutting back would help a great deal and allow an increase of more productive farming and would probably help alleviate some of our environmental pollution problems.
As for the Christians and Jesus... Religion is a little too politicized sometimes. There are a lot of people that come from "christian" cultures and may consider themselves Christians, but who do not know or understand or practice some things that Jesus taught. Jesus did teach that we should take care of each other, especially the poor, and not be greedy. I do know for example, that Jesus gave at least one parable in which a self-centered rich man died and looked up from hell to see a poor suffering beggar he had known comforted in heaven. I don't care a lot about what religious faith or tradition a person claims, because I have seen very good people (and some not so good people) in every honest-hearted religious tradition I have been able to observe. But if we were all to do our best to try and live the things Jesus taught about how we should treat each other, and about kindness, forgiveness and virtue, I am sure the world would soon be a much happier place in which to live.
Posted by: Ben, Atlantic on 1:29pm Mon 5 May 08
Many have missed the point here! The reason people are starving, and there is a food crisis in the third world, is due to MONSANTO. They forced them to take on GMO seeds and now they have hooked them;the farmers have to pay four times as much as before, and they cannot save the seeds either to use again either as they use too! Now the GMO seeds also need to be tended by Monsanto's very own pesticides, the cost has sky rocketed and Indian farmers are committing suicide out of desperation, in some regions at the rate of 3-4 a day who took on GMo seed! Because they cannot afford to farm or provide for their families any more! Monsato's claim to fame! PCB's,Dioxins,agent Orange,Asparmate,rGB
H,,Round-up, pesticides,GMO seeds of death. The Indian farmers know its Monsanto but they cannot fight that monster.
Many have missed the point here! The reason people are starving, and there is a food crisis in the third world, is due to MONSANTO. They forced them to take on GMO seeds and now they have hooked them;the farmers have to pay four times as much as before, and they cannot save the seeds either to use again either as they use too! Now the GMO seeds also need to be tended by Monsanto's very own pesticides, the cost has sky rocketed and Indian farmers are committing suicide out of desperation, in some regions at the rate of 3-4 a day who took on GMo seed! Because they cannot afford to farm or provide for their families any more! Monsato's claim to fame! PCB's,Dioxins,agent Orange,Asparmate,rGB
H,,Round-up, pesticides,GMO seeds of death. The Indian farmers know its Monsanto but they cannot fight that monster.
Posted by: Sid B, Houston on 2:18pm Mon 5 May 08
It is very easy to blame the rising food prices on increased demand and over population. No one seems to mention that India has had a record year where the production of food grains is the highest so far. This points to some sort of market manipulation happening. Monsanto also is waiting when the next harvest will be a gm harvest the entire world since their seeds are good for a single harvest!
It is very easy to blame the rising food prices on increased demand and over population. No one seems to mention that India has had a record year where the production of food grains is the highest so far. This points to some sort of market manipulation happening. Monsanto also is waiting when the next harvest will be a gm harvest the entire world since their seeds are good for a single harvest!
Posted by: serpentking, Billings, Montana on 4:19pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]DC Madam[/bold] wrote:
Let them starve, then the root problem (over-population) will be resolve by natural law of survival] and balance[bold]bold[/bold] [/quote] They should all come to White countries and fill it up.
DC Madam wrote:
Let them starve, then the root problem (over-population) will be resolve by natural law of survival] and balance
They should all come to White countries and fill it up.
Posted by: Friendly dog, Walla Walla, WA on 4:22pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]mrl[/bold] wrote:
I am glad to see that they stopped futures trading and have threatened to fix prices. They probably should fix the price of basic grains and proteins, and other foods necessary for good health (such as vitamin C containing foods, etc). These foods are the basis of life and should be the basis of a fair, healthy and sustainable economy for each region and for the whole world. We should practice economic principles that do not oppress the farmers or the poor for the benefit of high profits to the few or powerful. About eliminating meat from the diet... I think the western world can cut back a great deal from current levels of consumption. We do not need to eat meat 2 or 3 times a day as so many do. Even if people cut back to one moderate portion per day it would make a great difference and we would perhaps see some health gains as well. There are many people that do quite well as vegetarians, but I don't think we can expect that of everyone, since for many people it is their only source of many of the proteins, etc, that they need. But cutting back would help a great deal and allow an increase of more productive farming and would probably help alleviate some of our environmental pollution problems. As for the Christians and Jesus... Religion is a little too politicized sometimes. There are a lot of people that come from "christian" cultures and may consider themselves Christians, but who do not know or understand or practice some things that Jesus taught. Jesus did teach that we should take care of each other, especially the poor, and not be greedy. I do know for example, that Jesus gave at least one parable in which a self-centered rich man died and looked up from hell to see a poor suffering beggar he had known comforted in heaven. I don't care a lot about what religious faith or tradition a person claims, because I have seen very good people (and some not so good people) in every honest-hearted religious tradition I have been able to observe. But if we were all to do our best to try and live the things Jesus taught about how we should treat each other, and about kindness, forgiveness and virtue, I am sure the world would soon be a much happier place in which to live.[/quote] Good post, and everything you said is correct. Only mistake I see is that Jesus is actually a fictional character, and is actually derived from the Celtic Sun God with a similiar name. Christmas dates matching with the Winter solstice date from 2000 years ago is no coincidence.
mrl wrote:
I am glad to see that they stopped futures trading and have threatened to fix prices. They probably should fix the price of basic grains and proteins, and other foods necessary for good health (such as vitamin C containing foods, etc). These foods are the basis of life and should be the basis of a fair, healthy and sustainable economy for each region and for the whole world. We should practice economic principles that do not oppress the farmers or the poor for the benefit of high profits to the few or powerful. About eliminating meat from the diet... I think the western world can cut back a great deal from current levels of consumption. We do not need to eat meat 2 or 3 times a day as so many do. Even if people cut back to one moderate portion per day it would make a great difference and we would perhaps see some health gains as well. There are many people that do quite well as vegetarians, but I don't think we can expect that of everyone, since for many people it is their only source of many of the proteins, etc, that they need. But cutting back would help a great deal and allow an increase of more productive farming and would probably help alleviate some of our environmental pollution problems. As for the Christians and Jesus... Religion is a little too politicized sometimes. There are a lot of people that come from "christian" cultures and may consider themselves Christians, but who do not know or understand or practice some things that Jesus taught. Jesus did teach that we should take care of each other, especially the poor, and not be greedy. I do know for example, that Jesus gave at least one parable in which a self-centered rich man died and looked up from hell to see a poor suffering beggar he had known comforted in heaven. I don't care a lot about what religious faith or tradition a person claims, because I have seen very good people (and some not so good people) in every honest-hearted religious tradition I have been able to observe. But if we were all to do our best to try and live the things Jesus taught about how we should treat each other, and about kindness, forgiveness and virtue, I am sure the world would soon be a much happier place in which to live.
Good post, and everything you said is correct. Only mistake I see is that Jesus is actually a fictional character, and is actually derived from the Celtic Sun God with a similiar name. Christmas dates matching with the Winter solstice date from 2000 years ago is no coincidence.
Posted by: Danny Grimes, USA on 2:32am Tue 6 May 08
Food quality/or food shortages- will i wager bring disease. This is a poor way to go when tecnology exist for so many, to go down the drain of indecision.[bold]bold[/bold]
Food quality/or food shortages- will i wager bring disease. This is a poor way to go when tecnology exist for so many, to go down the drain of indecision.
Posted by: Doug Kaiser, Florida USA on 4:32pm Tue 6 May 08
OPEC has been killing America for decades with phoney oil shortages and outrageous oil prices.
Lets see if the third world members of OPEC can eat their oil! Better still if they are going to price gouge the USA with oil so should the USA gouge back by turning edibles into ethenol! No more cheap oil for America, then no more cheap food for the third world!
OPEC has been killing America for decades with phoney oil shortages and outrageous oil prices.
Lets see if the third world members of OPEC can eat their oil! Better still if they are going to price gouge the USA with oil so should the USA gouge back by turning edibles into ethenol! No more cheap oil for America, then no more cheap food for the third world!
Posted by: freddie bell, Cape Town, South Africa on 10:56am Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]DC Madam[/bold] wrote:
Let them starve, then the root problem (over-population) will be resolve by natural law of survival] and balance[bold]bold[/bold] [/quote] If humans lived in a totally natural environment, then the natural law of survival would still apply. It obviously doesn't. Instead, all kinds of human-created inequalities are in force here. The situation was created by humans and is correctable by humans- those who have insight, ingenuity and the guts to try.
DC Madam wrote:
Let them starve, then the root problem (over-population) will be resolve by natural law of survival] and balance
If humans lived in a totally natural environment, then the natural law of survival would still apply. It obviously doesn't. Instead, all kinds of human-created inequalities are in force here. The situation was created by humans and is correctable by humans- those who have insight, ingenuity and the guts to try.