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Salmond and Alexander clash over referendum

SCOTTISH LABOUR leader Wendy Alexander clashed with SNP First Minister Alex Salmond today over her calls for an early referendum on independence.

She challenged Mr Salmond to bring forward his planned referendum when he announces his legislative programme next week.

But at First Minister's Questions at the Scottish Parliament, Ms Alexander faced mockery from the SNP leader over her public demands for an early referendum.

Rival parties claim she had been left in an "untenable" position after Gordon Brown failed to endorse her call for an early referendum on independence.

But Ms Alexander has said she has no plans to quit and today she attempted to turn the tables on Mr Salmond.

She said: "The First Minister is the problem when it comes to resolving this issue in the nation's interest.

"The First Minister has a statement next week on his programme for government.

"The question is simply - will he bring forward a referendum Bill in next year's legislative programme next week?"

Mr Salmond shot back: "The answer is, we'll stick to what was laid out in the SNP manifesto on page eight and 15.

"While I would not say Wendy Alexander is the only problem the Labour Party has, I think quite convincingly after the last few days that she is not the answer."

The clashes began with Mr Salmond inviting Ms Alexander "to coin a phrase, bring it on" - a reference to a TV interview last Sunday in which she called for an early referendum.

She told MSPs: "The First Minister has been a nationalist all his political life.

"I'm giving him the opportunity to resolve the issue. Why won't he take it?"

Mr Salmond said he acknowledged the "progress" that the Labour leader had made over the last week.

"She now accepts the right of this Parliament to decide the future in terms of a constitutional referendum put to the people of Scotland," he said.

He told MSPs that Labour backbencher Duncan McNeil had said Labour would not vote down any referendum Bill that came to the Parliament.

"When we bring forward that Bill knowing that the Labour Party will support it, as stated in our manifesto in 2010, we will expect the support of every Labour member in this Parliament," said the First Minister.

"Given the progress that Wendy Alexander has made in the last few days, who knows what side she'll be campaigning on?"

Ms Alexander hit back: "This is far too serious a matter to jest with."

She went on: "We believe that the uncertainty is damaging Scotland.

"I and my colleagues have therefore offered our support to bring this issue forward now.

"We believe that Scotland deserves a choice sooner rather than later.

"The First Minister tells us that over 80% of Scots want a referendum - so why are we still waiting?"

Mr Salmond retorted: "If Wendy Alexander will allow us, I thought we would stick to what is in the SNP manifesto on pages eight and 15.

"Week after week, Wendy Alexander comes and demands that we stick to the SNP manifesto - attacks us for not doing so."

He went on: "Now she's telling us we shouldn't stick to the manifesto and the 2010 date.

"Does she not feel her credibility on keeping manifesto promises is being somewhat damaged by this process?"

Mr Salmond continued: "I agree with Wendy Alexander that this is a serious process - which is why we are engaged in a serious way, through the National Conversation (the Scottish Government-sponsored national debate on the country's future).

"But it is impossible for anyone outside the Labour Party - and I think most people in it - to take the Labour Party seriously after the last few days."

Ms Alexander said CBI Scotland boss Ian MacMillan had said it was time to "lance the boil".

"I have offered Labour's support for an early referendum," said the Labour leader.

"The First Minister has spurned that offer - why won't he bring the Bill on?"

Mr Salmond told her: "I welcome the upsurge in support for a referendum from Ian MacMillan and everyone else."

Labour today closed ranks around the embattled Scottish leader as speculation persisted over her future.

MSP Malcolm Chisholm today insisted her call for an early referendum was right, and that her position was safe.

"It's absolutely safe because she has widespread support, not only within the Labour Party but I believe throughout Scotland," he told BBC Radio Scotland.

He also denied that Gordon Brown had been ambivalent in his support for Ms Alexander.

Tory leader David Cameron accused the Prime Minister of treating the public like "fools" after Mr Brown claimed Ms Alexander had not called for an immediate referendum on Scottish independence.

To the astonishment of opposition MPs, the Prime Minister said: "That is not what she has said," adding that she had simply been trying to expose the "hollowness" of the position of the SNP.

In a later exchange of letters, Mr Cameron recalled that Ms Alexander has said "bring it on", and that she had also said it was time for the SNP to put up or shut up.

But Mr Brown said nobody was seeking referendum legislation at Westminster, and under Scottish Parliament procedures a Bill introduced there would take up to 12 months to complete.

Alex Salmond, whose party has pledged legislation in 2010 for an independence referendum, said last night that Labour had brought him a step closer to his goal of independence.

He also said of Ms Alexander and Gordon Brown: "Either he is misrepresenting her, or she is misrepresenting him, or they are both misrepresenting each other."

But Mr Chisholm, Labour MSP for Edinburgh North and Leith, told the Good Morning Scotland programme Ms Alexander's call for a referendum commanded widespread support.

"What she said was quite simple - she said the SNP should bring the referendum Bill forward in the interests of Scotland," he said.

"The SNP claim to be the party that supports business - why don't they listen to the voices of business and the voices of people throughout Scotland on this issue?"

Ms Alexander has also not ruled out the possibility of Labour bringing forward its own Bill.

It then appeared that such a move could fall foul of Holyrood rules which bar a Bill being brought forward if similar legislation is expected from the government.

Mr Chisholm denied there had been a contradiction in the stance taken by Ms Alexander and Mr Brown, or that Ms Alexander's move had rendered redundant the Calman Commission, which is studying more powers for the Scottish Parliament but not independence.

"There is absolutely no contradiction between what Gordon Brown said about Calman and what Wendy Alexander has been saying about a referendum," he said.

"Of course we need a choice, but we also need to have the Calman Commission to review, and I believe extend, the powers of the Scottish Parliament within the UK."

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Posted by: karin on 2:13pm Sat 10 May 08
Seeing as it has been discovered that wendy has no influence and cannot in any way legally alter the wording of the referendum question

The only hope labour now have to see off inependence is to give the scottish parliament all the powers that are currently reserved this is the only way that they can stop the momentum towards independence. However they will have to do this ASAP and certainly a long time before the referendum in order to let people get used to the parliament having all the powers. Waiting for the callman commsion will mean that the further powers would not be in place long enough for people to get used to it.
Posted by: Jwil, Lanarkshire on 7:20pm Sat 10 May 08
Ms Alexander hit back: "This is far too serious a matter to jest with."

She went on: "We believe that the uncertainty is damaging Scotland.


This "uncertainty" idea was debunked by Brian Souter, who said there ws no problem with going on for a further 2 years without a referendum. It would not damage industry. CBI Scotland boss Ian MacMillan, please note and stop spinning against the SNP government. Your job is to help industry not to be a political pawn for the Labour party.

It is time Brewer or Campbell put the question the people who spout it. What do you mean by "uncertainty" and exactly how is it damaging to industry? Explain!




Posted by: Jimmy the Pie on 8:46pm Sat 10 May 08
It won't be long before Red Wendy resigns to "spending more time with my deprived kids".
Lard Foolkes to succeed her??
Posted by: Nat Liars on 10:06pm Sat 10 May 08
"This "uncertainty" idea was debunked by Brian Souter,"

Ah, well, that's all right then. A homophobic,bigoted, anti-union, religious nutter who also happens to be the paymaster of the SNP says it's all hunky dory.
Posted by: mal, Aberdeen on 10:31pm Sat 10 May 08
Jwil wrote:
Ms Alexander hit back: "This is far too serious a matter to jest with." She went on: "We believe that the uncertainty is damaging Scotland. This "uncertainty" idea was debunked by Brian Souter, who said there ws no problem with going on for a further 2 years without a referendum. It would not damage industry. CBI Scotland boss Ian MacMillan, please note and stop spinning against the SNP government. Your job is to help industry not to be a political pawn for the Labour party. It is time Brewer or Campbell put the question the people who spout it. What do you mean by "uncertainty" and exactly how is it damaging to industry? Explain!
And while they`re at it,ask what justifies the term seperation as opposed to independence.
Posted by: mal, Aberdeen on 10:42pm Sat 10 May 08
There was certainty up to the moment Wendy opened her gob,but that`s obviously the separatists fault as well.

Posted by: Nat Liars. on 10:47pm Sat 10 May 08
Wendy is the best we have - and that is not saying much. The rest are a lot of keech.
Posted by: Im no really here, but over there on 11:07pm Sat 10 May 08
Nat Liars wrote:
"This "uncertainty" idea was debunked by Brian Souter," Ah, well, that's all right then. A homophobic,bigoted, anti-union, religious nutter who also happens to be the paymaster of the SNP says it's all hunky dory.
Well, at least I'm glad to see that you are unbiased and not as bigoted as that terrible person Souter.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 11:08pm Sat 10 May 08

I have no idea what the press bother to print her crass utterances in full other than to mock her. She has reached the point of imbecility. Who cares what she says? Not many.

She and the rest of her kind are motivated by fear, fear of losing power, of losing jobs, of losing face, of losing a fiefdom. And in the manner by which they refuse to admit their misdemeanours, or their severe limitations, they are detestable.

Let's treat them with the disdain they deserve, and get on with running Scotland.

They are the past.









Posted by: Astonished, Inverclyde on 11:21pm Sat 10 May 08
Nat Liars - I know numpties believe that if you keep saying a big enough lie people will believe you. However you are peddling labour lies thus no one believes you.

The truth is setting Scotland free and all the lying journalists in the world can't stop it.

My favourite is the nostalgic lie - so I quite like "tartan tory" guy. I imagine an old bloke with flares and a comb-over hoping the party will reward him for his hard work belittling Scotland.

As labour are financially bankrupt (they were morally bankrupt some time ago) - How do feel about every labour party member being legally responsible for £20,000 or so ? I believe those in the know are resigning their memberships formally in droves. This could make your bill even higher.

Still I'm a Nat so the millionaires that run your party will say that I am lying.(Why do you think they are not revealing the membership numbers ? - Shyness ?).
Posted by: sandy denny, thisonehasnoend on 11:24pm Sat 10 May 08
Someone is drowning, down there in the flood, But this river will dry by tomorrow.

If only it were so, eh, Wendy hon?
Posted by: Alan Smart, Falkirk on 11:59pm Sat 10 May 08
Wendy does talk drivel. Having resolutely oppossed a referendum for many years ( as recently as last saturday!), on what cedible or democratic basis does she now call for an immediate one? On what electoral mandate, or even on what Scottish Labour Party one, does she do so, given she and her party in general spent the best part of its conference last march rubbishing the idea? Have they no longer even an internal democratic process?

But Wendy now claims it is the SNP that is running scared of a referendum, despite having consistently opposed one until last weekend and the SNP having specifically promised one in 2010 through a completely upfront and transparent pledge in its 2007 manifesto.

Wendy knows not one thing about democracy. Apartently 'the rights of the Scottish people' are her's to dispense one way or another on a BBC TV programme.

Why Labour Party members in Scotland put up with her indicates only their poverty of choices. Thankfully the public has many choices
Posted by: Ronald, Glasgow on 12:24am Sun 11 May 08
STOP IT !! This U-Bendy Wendy baiting - well it really must stop. And quickly.
Because you cruel and heartless lot are not just abusing a lovely Lady, but putting at risk Ms Alexander's tireless, selfless
work with those vunerable two year olds.
And little puppy-dogs with sore paws, and
bid appealing eyes.
How will they fare without her - and the poor, the needy, and the dispossed - all at risk thanks to you lot. And what about Wendy's Nanny? She might be working all-hours for minimal wages, but surely it is a great
privilage working for NEW LABOUR "SOCIALIST'S"
like the ALEXANDERS.
So its time to embrace NEW-LABOUR. Hell they
might be dangerous sociopaths, with little empathy for the poor. They may be corrupt to the core, with ilegality the norm. Amoral
behaviour a given. But we, the little people
must maintain them in the lifestyle they have become accustumed to. So thank you Wendy and NEW -LABOUR for taxing us and not the super-rich. After all you are "SOCIALISTS" and an example to us all.
Posted by: Solomon, Sterling on 1:04am Sun 11 May 08
Am I missing something, or should Mr Brown & Ms Alexander not be calling Calmans office to re jig this famous project.
As I understand Independence was not to be discussed, I therefore would have thought that the U turn would now turn the debate within their project to Independence.
If they ( Scottish Labour) want a referendum then surely the consequences of that referendum have to be rolled out for all to see.
They can't take the public into something that essentially has not been debated.
Posted by: Ronald, Glasgow on 1:27am Sun 11 May 08
Er... yes "Solomon" you are indeed missing something. U-Bendy-Wendy has had a gubbing from one G Brown - Son Of The Manse - and
therefore the u turn has in fact taken ANOTHER
u turn, and Independence is off the agenda
- it was never On Calman but its OFF again ! hahhahhaha
Hope thats cleared matters up for you Sir.
Posted by: Soloman, Sterling on 1:34am Sun 11 May 08
Thanks Ronald, I've just seen the other story, looks like Scottish Labour cant land anything on the SNP and have resorted to fighting with the big boys & girls in Westminster, who of course are well used to bullying and have had no problem giving them (Scott Lab.)a kicking.
Lets just watch them tear each other apart!
Posted by: Wallace, Perth on 1:55am Sun 11 May 08
Wee Wendy certainly managed one thing at last week's FMQ's, namely she managed to unite the other two unionist parties - against her!!!

Both Granny Goldie and Nicol The Nose launched verbal attacks on her - and used up part of their apportioned question time to do it. This was some achievement, even for Wee U-Bendy.
Posted by: pehman, sussex on 2:09am Sun 11 May 08
Hold it folks


Wendy's changed her mind again !

She never said she supported a referendum after all
Posted by: robert, Glasgow on 6:21am Sun 11 May 08
Nat Liars wrote:
"This "uncertainty" idea was debunked by Brian Souter," Ah, well, that's all right then. A homophobic,bigoted, anti-union, religious nutter who also happens to be the paymaster of the SNP says it's all hunky dory.
What a pathetic little rant from a unionist runt.
Posted by: LEGION, ALBA on 7:36am Sun 11 May 08
THE ODDS ARE TUMBILING ON THE QUESTION OF INDEPENDENCE. WHAT WILL THEY BE DOWN TO NEXT WEEK?
WILLIAM HILL:-
We currently offer 200/1 that Scotland will become independent by the
end of May 2012; 50/1 before the end of May 2017 and 14/1 that it
happens within fifty years.
We are not offering odds at the moment on a yes/no vote.

Paddy Power.
Dial-a-Bet: From Ireland: 1800 721 821 From UK: 08000 565 265

2/5 to vote No to full independence.
7/4 to vote Yes to full independence.
12/1 to achieve full independence 2013
6/1 to achieve full independence 2018
5/2 to achieve full independence 2023

Posted by: Shug McGlumpher, Govan on 7:56am Sun 11 May 08
robert wrote:
Nat Liars wrote: "This "uncertainty" idea was debunked by Brian Souter," Ah, well, that's all right then. A homophobic,bigoted, anti-union, religious nutter who also happens to be the paymaster of the SNP says it's all hunky dory.
What a pathetic little rant from a unionist runt.
Sorry Robert, that is NOT a rant but someone speaking the truth.

The guy IS all that is written by Nat Liars
Posted by: HIBERNIAN5, A DULL MORAY GARDEN on 8:02am Sun 11 May 08
POOR, POOR WENDY WHOM ISNOT VERY TRENDY

SHE THINKS SHE CAN CHANGE THE LABOUR PARTY

ALTHOUGH THEIR THOUGHT HAVE NO CLARITY

ITS NOT REALLY WENDY'S FAULT,

AS ALL HER SUPPORTERS DID BOLT

SHE WILL LOOSE MORE VOTERS AGAIN

WHEN WE VOTE FOR INDEPENDANCE IN 2010

WE WILL NOT BE HURRIED SHEEL SEE

ITLL TAKE TIME FOR FREEDOM AND BE FREE

SHEEL HAVE TO WAIT FOR A BIT

UNTIL GORDON HAS TOLD HER TO QUIT

MAYBE LABOUR WILL THEN GIVE HER A NEW POSITION.

WORKING REALL HARD FOR THE TORY OPPOSITION !!!
Posted by: Free Thinker, North Lanakshire on 8:48am Sun 11 May 08
Nat Liars. wrote:
Wendy is the best we have - and that is not saying much. The rest are a lot of keech.
A completely independent Scotland is the only way forward. If you research this properly as I have over decades it always comes back to this basic premise. Always. ‘British’ misplaced loyalty has been manipulated for decades by the bizarre London Establishment commissioned propaganda necessitated by its insatiable appetite for Scotland’s natural resources. The majority of Scotland’s people, unaware, trusting and only ever noisy with warranted discontentment, were thrown platitudes ensconcing them in the pseudo open-prison like sprawling dormitory schemes masquerading as homes. Synthetic television programming, cheap alcohol, freely available drugs and junk food sealed their fate. Easily malleable third-rate also-rans plucked from anonymity were then gifted unmerited privilege to morph into Scotland-haters under Establishment expert tutorage. Some became millionaires and moved in incestuous Establishment circles achieving directorships and more besides unhitherto undreamt of. Unfettered and indifferent, the hypercritical blind eye was given to audaciously rampant money gathering criminal activity. A shimmering sectarian card was ever deftly played with Machiavellian duplicity, rampant paranoid fears fashioned and the concluding Orwellian landscape locked in place by the self-preserving covert cabal infested Establishment media. This is how the people and nation of Scotland became imprisoned by an insignificant assembly of shallow souls working over the irrecoverable years. Many Scots are waking up from the hypnosis and it is never easy admitting your life had been a sham.
Posted by: jazzguy, glasgow on 10:17am Sun 11 May 08
How many column inches were given over telling the Scottish people how super clever Ms Alexander was supposed to be?
It really just shows how the media are very good at propogating myths around people.
Unfortnuatly she comes across as a rank amatuer politician with a profound contempt for the folk she is supposed to represent.
Posted by: Jim, Irvine on 10:58am Sun 11 May 08
Just heard Douglas Alexander say that he would
do everything to stop the Break up of the Union. Claims it is only a minority who wish
Independence. Claims Brown agrees with him.
Somebody should tell him that is the Scottish
people who will decide by Referendum to be called by the Scottish Elected Government.
Posted by: conway on 11:22am Sun 11 May 08
And now we know why we should have an independent parliament and why we need the SNP to run Holyrood,Wendy has had to do her masters bidding because it upsets Browns plans in Westminster,the same will happen when the Conservatives or even the Liberals run Westminster they must do what Westminster tells them to do.
If Wendy and the Labour group had the nerve they would declare independence from the British Labour Party and become a truly Scottish Labour Party rather than a branch of the British one.
Posted by: Politically-incorrec t Man, glasgow on 11:22am Sun 11 May 08
Wendy is the ultimate proof that "Care in the community" does not work. For her own good someone should readmit her to a secure institution where in a less stressful atmosphere and appropriate therapy she may recover and return to normality; poor wee soul.
Posted by: Clarinda on 11:28am Sun 11 May 08
Free Thinker - your abundance of adjectives doesn't mask your true feelings that 'we wis robbed' over the last 300 years and to add insult as you describe, incriminated in our own subjugation to Westminster.
How ironic that it was such an insufferable little gas-bag that has propelled us towards our potential independence. I am suspicious of the likely anti-independence subterfuge and sabotage from whatever past-mastery at Westminster takes over from Gordon Doom and his busted flush. As Free Thinker amongst many others states - they've been doing it for decades, why stop now as they will be even more dependent on Scotland's natural resources in particular. The lads at Grangemouth emphasised that issue.
Scotland has not just this golden opportunity to strike now in the complex bid for a referendum and potential independence - but also to repeat the SNP stand in world affairs against illegal and mercenary invasions using our superb troops to further US and others corporate interests etc.. The hideous catastophe of nuclear war in Iran is next up with the edge taken off if Obama wins the White House. There is much more at stake than Scotland's indigenous interests, vital as they are as primary priority, but look at our humanitaian potential to challenge the war-mongers alongside so many more decent countries. A renaissance of the principles of the Scottish Enlightenment spiked with the morality within the Declaration of Arbroath wouldn't be a bad place to start Scotland's regeneration?
Posted by: CFC on 11:55am Sun 11 May 08
Mal, 1031 - Gordon Brown has recently pledged to do "whatever is necessary" to preserve the union. Unfortunate timing, then, that the new Labour term for independence as 'seperatism.' Now where have I heard that term before...oh yeah, it is used by the Communist Chinese state to justify their actions in Tibet.

Good choice of phrase Labour - one that has been recently linked to brutal oppression.
Posted by: robert, SCOTLAND on 12:44pm Sun 11 May 08
Wee bent wendy is making a complete erse of herself on politics now ,
god she is a mess.
Posted by: Exiled Aussie, Banff on 1:48pm Sun 11 May 08
Please can we have aTARTAN TORY update on Diminutive's love-in with Cameron, widely dubbed as the "Eck and Dave Scam" ?
Posted by: Aurora, Glasgow on 1:54pm Sun 11 May 08
robert wrote:
Wee bent wendy is making a complete erse of herself on politics now , god she is a mess.
Wendy was right to challenge the Nats' coyness towards their own "main plank" but 12 months late in doing so.

Some of us in the LP sought unsuccessfully to smoke Salmond and Co out before they settled into smirking with non-policies and no legislative back-up, conning the public in the process.

Bit perhaps better late than never - "bring it on!", says I.
Posted by: stonehaven on 3:36pm Sun 11 May 08
Aurora wrote:
robert wrote:
Wee bent wendy is making a complete erse of herself on politics now , god she is a mess.
Wendy was right to challenge the Nats' coyness towards their own "main plank" but 12 months late in doing so.

Some of us in the LP sought unsuccessfully to smoke Salmond and Co out before they settled into smirking with non-policies and no legislative back-up, conning the public in the process.

Bit perhaps better late than never - "bring it on!", says I.
Yuck. What an unsavoury character! A Unionist, living in a little dark place where the cringe is alive and well.
Posted by: stonehaven on 3:39pm Sun 11 May 08
Great to hear that the Scottish CBI are now on board the independence train.
Posted by: Free Thinker, North Lanrkshire on 4:16pm Sun 11 May 08
Clarinda wrote:
Free Thinker - your abundance of adjectives doesn\'t mask your true feelings that \'we wis robbed\' over the last 300 years and to add insult as you describe, incriminated in our own subjugation to Westminster. How ironic that it was such an insufferable little gas-bag that has propelled us towards our potential independence. I am suspicious of the likely anti-independence subterfuge and sabotage from whatever past-mastery at Westminster takes over from Gordon Doom and his busted flush. As Free Thinker amongst many others states - they\'ve been doing it for decades, why stop now as they will be even more dependent on Scotland\'s natural resources in particular. The lads at Grangemouth emphasised that issue. Scotland has not just this golden opportunity to strike now in the complex bid for a referendum and potential independence - but also to repeat the SNP stand in world affairs against illegal and mercenary invasions using our superb troops to further US and others corporate interests etc.. The hideous catastophe of nuclear war in Iran is next up with the edge taken off if Obama wins the White House. There is much more at stake than Scotland\'s indigenous interests, vital as they are as primary priority, but look at our humanitaian potential to challenge the war-mongers alongside so many more decent countries. A renaissance of the principles of the Scottish Enlightenment spiked with the morality within the Declaration of Arbroath wouldn\'t be a bad place to start Scotland\'s regeneration?
Yes. Sorry about the additives 'n that... a got a bit carried away... the swearie word version wasn't much better... but felt good.
Posted by: Aurora, Glasgow on 6:26pm Sun 11 May 08
stonehaven wrote:
Aurora wrote:
robert wrote: Wee bent wendy is making a complete erse of herself on politics now , god she is a mess.
Wendy was right to challenge the Nats\' coyness towards their own \"main plank\" but 12 months late in doing so. Some of us in the LP sought unsuccessfully to smoke Salmond and Co out before they settled into smirking with non-policies and no legislative back-up, conning the public in the process. Bit perhaps better late than never - \"bring it on!\", says I.
Yuck. What an unsavoury character! A Unionist, living in a little dark place where the cringe is alive and well.
Ta for such warm words (ouch !) but also for republishing my denouncement of Nat hypocrisy.

But on "new" point.I am not a "unionist" - a name associated with a Party I detest and which I have fought unceasingly for the past 50 plus years - but a Socialist who truly believes in our philosophy that all men/women are equal and not the cheap quick-fit gimmicks of the pathetic bunch dominated by Salmond and Co, who climb on every bandwagon, even if the have no wheels !
Posted by: mal, Aberdeen on 7:27pm Sun 11 May 08
It`s preferable to have a leader who understands the legislative process i would`ve thought,however how someone proports to be a socialist has anything in common with wendy`s mob is amazing,or maybe my definition of socialist is different from wendy.
Posted by: Jimmy Fae the West, Embra (THE Capital City) on 7:28pm Sun 11 May 08
What is this new rant repeated many times this morning and it went unchallenged each ? "No one wants independence" yet Wendy, then Douglas, then The Scottish Office Minister all mantra'd " the SNP are dangling independence in front of the Scottish People"?

This whole episode exposes the fact that there is insufficient time devoted to Scottish politics and Scottish news on our TV. More Politics and news would mean more journalists and more investigations to stop duplicitous crooks who lie and serve two masters ti the detriment of the Scottish nation.

If a Politician has loyalties abroad then they should be made to declare them, not forced to squirm whilst denying it like Wendy on TV this morning.
Posted by: Northern Scot, Wick on 9:03pm Sun 11 May 08
Aurora wrote:
robert wrote: Wee bent wendy is making a complete erse of herself on politics now , god she is a mess.
Wendy was right to challenge the Nats' coyness towards their own "main plank" but 12 months late in doing so. Some of us in the LP sought unsuccessfully to smoke Salmond and Co out before they settled into smirking with non-policies and no legislative back-up, conning the public in the process. Bit perhaps better late than never - "bring it on!", says I.
Sorry Aurora, Bendy Wendy didn't really call for a referendum now, it was just a joke! Never mind if you wait a couple of days she will have changed her mind again
Posted by: sacrebleu on 10:21pm Sun 11 May 08
Ah well, at least Wendy got backing from MICHAEL FORSYTH.

I would say if you've got him on your side, you REALLY know you're in trouble, girl!
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