2008: The year of global food crisis
Special report By Kate Smith and Rob Edwards IT IS the new face of hunger. A perfect storm of food scarcity, global warming, rocketing oil prices and the world population explosion is plunging humanity into the biggest crisis of the 21st century by pushing up food prices and spreading hunger and poverty from rural areas into cities.
Millions more of the world's most vulnerable people are facing starvation as food shortages loom and crop prices spiral ever upwards.
And for the first time in history, say experts, the impact is spreading from the developing to the developed world.
More than 73 million people in 78 countries that depend on food handouts from the United Nations World Food Programme (WFP) are facing reduced rations this year. The increasing scarcity of food is the biggest crisis looming for the world'', according to WFP officials.
At the same time, the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation has warned that rising prices have triggered a food crisis in 36 countries, all of which will need extra help. The threat of malnutrition is the world's forgotten problem'', says the World Bank as it demands urgent action.
The bank points out that global food prices have risen by 75% since 2000, while wheat prices have increased by 200%. The cost of other staples such as rice and soya bean have also hit record highs, while corn is at its most expensive in 12 years.
The increasing cost of grains is also pushing up the price of meat, poultry, eggs and dairy products. And there is every likelihood prices will continue their relentless rise, according to expert predictions by the UN and developed countries.
High prices have already prompted a string of food protests around the world, with tortilla riots in Mexico, disputes over food rationing in West Bengal and protests over grain prices in Senegal, Mauritania and other parts of Africa. In Yemen, children have marched to highlight their hunger, while in London last week hundreds of pig farmers protested outside Downing Street.
If prices keep rising, more and more people around the globe will be unable to afford the food they need to stay alive, and without help they will become desperate. More food riots will flare up, governments will totter and millions could die.
Food scarcity means a big increase in the number of people going hungry,'' says the WFP's Greg Barrow. Without doubt, we are passing through a difficult period for the world's hungry poor.''
The WFP estimates it needs an additional $500 million to keep feeding the 73 million people in Africa, Asia and central America who require its help. We need extra money by the middle of 2008 so we don't have to reduce rations,'' says Barrow.
He also points out that age-old patterns of famine are changing. "We are feeding communities of people we didn't expect to feed," he explains.
As well as being rural, the profile of the new hungry poor is also urban, which is new. There is food available in the markets and shops - it's just that these people can't afford to buy it. This is the new face of hunger.''
The food shortages will also affect western industrialised nations such as Scotland, Barrow says. Scarcity means that some foods will get very expensive, or disappear from supermarkets altogether, meaning a move to seasonal, indigenous vegetables.''
Of the 36 countries named last month as currently facing a food crisis, 21 are in Africa. Lesotho and Swaziland have been afflicted by droughts, Sierra Leone lacks widespread access to food markets because of low incomes and high prices, and Ghana, Kenya and Chad among others are enduring "severe localised food insecurity".
In India last year, more than 25,000 farmers took their own lives, driven to despair by grain shortages and farming debts. "The spectre of food grain imports stares India in the face as agricultural growth plunges to an all-time low," warns India Today magazine.
The World Bank predicts global demand for food will double by 2030. This is partly because the world's population is expected to grow by three billion by 2050, but that is only one of many interlocking causes.
The rise in global temperatures caused by pollution is also beginning to disrupt food production in many countries. According to the UN, an area of fertile soil the size of Ukraine is lost every year because of drought, deforestation and climate instability.
Last year Australia experienced its worst drought for over a century, and saw its wheat crop shrink by 60%. China's grain harvest has also fallen by 10% over the past seven years.
The UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has predicted that, over the next 100 years, a one-metre rise in sea levels would flood almost a third of the world's crop-growing land.
A recent analysis by the Conservative Party leader, David Cameron, also pinned blame for the global food crunch'' on the accelerating demand for allegedly green biofuels and the world's growing appetite for meat.
Meat is a very inefficient way of utilising land to produce food, delivering far fewer calories, acre for acre, than grain. But the amount of meat eaten by the average Chinese consumer has increased from 20 kilograms a year in 1985 to over 50 kilograms today. The demand for meat from across all developing countries has doubled since 1980.
The world's grain stocks are at their lowest for 30 years, Cameron warns. "Some analysts are beginning to make some very worrying, very stark predictions. And these analysts say politicians should start to rank the issue of food security alongside energy security and even national security."
Another key driver is the soaring cost of oil, which last week topped $105 a barrel for the first time. As well as increasing transport costs, oil makes crop fertilisers more expensive.
According to the World Bank, fertiliser prices have risen 150% in the past five years. This has had a major impact on food prices, as the cost of fertiliser contributes over a quarter of the overall cost of grain production in the US, which is responsible for 40% of world grain exports.
Tackling hunger has become a "forgotten" UN millennium development goal, says the bank's president, Robert Zoellick.
But increased food prices and their threat - not only to people but also to political stability - have made it a matter of urgency," he says.
Scottish farmers warn that food security is becoming an issue for the first time since the second world war. This is a perfect storm and the effects are being felt right now," says James Withers, the acting chief executive of the National Farmers' Union in Scotland.
"At the same time as demand for food increases, the amount of land we have available to grow food on is reducing," he adds. "An area twice the size of Scotland's entire agricultural area has been swallowed up by Chinese towns and cities in the last 10 years.''
John Scott, a Scottish Conservative MSP who farms in Ayrshire, goes further. "It's almost biblical," he says. "With all the wine lakes and butter mountains, we've had our 20 years of plenty since 1986.''
The prospect of global food shortages is now Malthusian, he suggests. One response from the UK and Scotland should be to grow more of our own food, and to try to reverse the decline in self-sufficiency from 75% in 1986 to 60% now.
It is possible for the UK, and the world, to feed itself, argues Robin Maynard from the Soil Association, but it will require big changes. He invokes the wartime spirit that saw gardens turned into allotments, and 50 mixed farms feeding Britain.
This is a wake-up call,'' he says. The choices we make now will determine whether we can feed ourselves in the future. If we get it right we can have a thriving food economy.''
Richard Lochhead, the Scottish government's environment secretary, has launched a public discussion to develop Scotland's first food policy. "I am conscious our generation has not experienced food shortages, but we should never take food for granted," he says.
"That is why the Scottish government will never allow food security to fall off the national agenda. We recognise the vital role of our primary producers in ensuring the long-term capacity and capability of our food supply."
Why are we growing food to feed cars instead of people?
The global drive for a new green fuel to power cars, lorries and planes is worsening world food shortages and threatening to make billions go hungry. Biofuels, enthusiastically backed by the US, UK and other European governments, have been sold as the solution to global warming. Making fuels from growing crops has been marketed as the way to cut climate pollution while continuing to drive.
But now experts are warning that this could all be a disastrous mistake. Converting large amounts of land to crops for biofuels is reducing food production just when the world needs to increase it.
Last year a quarter of the US maize crop was turned into ethanol to fuel vehicles - and the US supplies more than 60% of the world's maize exports. According to the World Bank, this is putting pressure on countries' precarious food supplies.
"The biofuels surge makes things worse by adding high demand on top of already high prices and low stocks," said one of the bank's leading economists, Don Mitchell. "Ethanol and biodiesel produced in the US and European Union don't appear to be delivering on green promises either, making them very controversial."
There are plans by more than 20 countries to boost production of biofuels over the next decade. The US is talking about trebling maize production for ethanol, while the European Union is aiming to make biofuels 10% of all transport fuels by 2020.
The dash for biofuels came under fire last week from the UK government's newly appointed chief scientific adviser, Professor John Beddington. In a speech in London on Thursday, he said that world food prices had already suffered a "major shock" as a result.
Biofuels were often unsustainable, he argued. "It's very hard to imagine how we can see the world growing enough crops to produce renewable energy and at the same time meet the enormous demand for food."
Some of the proposed biofuels schemes were "hopeless", warned Beddington, formerly professor of applied population biology at Imperial College, London. "The idea that you cut down rainforest to actually grow biofuels seems profoundly stupid."
The Conservative Party leader, David Cameron, has also weighed into the attack on biofuels. "They are not a panacea," he told the National Farmers' Union last month. "Unless they are truly sustainable, they may well harm the environment more than protect it."
Like environmentalists and organic food experts, Cameron latched on to one of the most telling statistics highlighting the competition between food and fuel. "You could feed a person for a whole year from the grain that produces just one tank of fuel for a sports utility vehicle (SUV)," he said.
The same figure was used by Robin Maynard, from the Soil Association, which certifies organic food. "The US currently grows one-sixth of its grain harvest for cars, which is madness," he told the Sunday Herald.
"It is perfectly possible for the world to feed itself, but it depends on how we are growing food. If we continue to grow crops to feed cars rather than people, we're in trouble."
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Posted by: dave james on 12:31am Sun 9 Mar 08
This is what happens when we make policy based on the nilhilistic scary internal thoughts of many enviro-greeny types
taking them seriously has side effects
This is what happens when we make policy based on the nilhilistic scary internal thoughts of many enviro-greeny types
taking them seriously has side effects
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 2:45am Sun 9 Mar 08
Dave Concrete Is Good James[quote]scary internal thoughts of many enviro-greeny types[/quote] I suspected the first post would come from a non-reasoning prole. And what are thoughts if not internal?
Dave Concrete Is Good James
scary internal thoughts of many enviro-greeny types
I suspected the first post would come from a non-reasoning prole. And what are thoughts if not internal?
Posted by: Archie, Argyll on 2:58am Sun 9 Mar 08
So why are we not growing food on all the vacant land here in Scotland and elsewhere?
Why are farmers paid to keep fields empty?
Is it because of the likes of Tesco wishing to maintain a monopoly and keep everyone dependent on them and their ilk?
So why are we not growing food on all the vacant land here in Scotland and elsewhere?
Why are farmers paid to keep fields empty?
Is it because of the likes of Tesco wishing to maintain a monopoly and keep everyone dependent on them and their ilk?
Posted by: Archie, Argyll on 3:02am Sun 9 Mar 08
And why are indigenous Scots denied land ownership while others have VAST estates that are used to kill animals for fun?
And why are indigenous Scots denied land ownership while others have VAST estates that are used to kill animals for fun?
Posted by: Andrew, Walthamstow on 3:57am Sun 9 Mar 08
Has it not occurred to any of our world leaders that population control (dirty word I know) is the crux of this problem. I think it has become clear to them but the PC clans would bring down anyone who dare mention the issue. It's called ignoring the elephant in the room.
Has it not occurred to any of our world leaders that population control (dirty word I know) is the crux of this problem. I think it has become clear to them but the PC clans would bring down anyone who dare mention the issue. It's called ignoring the elephant in the room.
Posted by: lobeydosser, Woodlands Road on 4:40am Sun 9 Mar 08
Good article - as well as the other related ones in the paper. We all knew this was coming and if it is not sorted then there will be a catastophy of mega biblical proportions.
The one factor that affects all of this greed in all senses of the word; i.e. power & money (I am sure there are more but its too early in the morning).
For example: power - Mugabe's Zimbabwe cant feed itself and it used to be the breadbasket of Southern Africa and where is it now?
Money - The EU subsidises farmers not to produce food & this is barking mad. Fuel prices gone through the roof affecting transport costs of food.
What can we do about it? At governmental level we can tell the EU to eff off and stop subsidising farmers to keep their prices up or stop producing on set aside areas. At home its a bit like all the fuel & electricity info; reduce the use of this or that and turn things off. Food follows the same rules; cut down on hightly processed foods, eat locally produced seasonal foods; how many of us still use porridge for breakfast, home made soups for lunch and how many of us chuck good food away?
Good article - as well as the other related ones in the paper. We all knew this was coming and if it is not sorted then there will be a catastophy of mega biblical proportions.
The one factor that affects all of this greed in all senses of the word; i.e. power & money (I am sure there are more but its too early in the morning).
For example: power - Mugabe's Zimbabwe cant feed itself and it used to be the breadbasket of Southern Africa and where is it now?
Money - The EU subsidises farmers not to produce food & this is barking mad. Fuel prices gone through the roof affecting transport costs of food.
What can we do about it? At governmental level we can tell the EU to eff off and stop subsidising farmers to keep their prices up or stop producing on set aside areas. At home its a bit like all the fuel & electricity info; reduce the use of this or that and turn things off. Food follows the same rules; cut down on hightly processed foods, eat locally produced seasonal foods; how many of us still use porridge for breakfast, home made soups for lunch and how many of us chuck good food away?
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 6:23am Sun 9 Mar 08
During and after the war fermers were encouraged and subsidised to intensify their industry. This changed under the EEC and the property speculation boom. Cheap food and low wages were the base of the British home economy. This is all going to pot with fewer and fewer producers and more Supermercat virtual ownership of most fermers, who are thirled to them.
During and after the war fermers were encouraged and subsidised to intensify their industry. This changed under the EEC and the property speculation boom. Cheap food and low wages were the base of the British home economy. This is all going to pot with fewer and fewer producers and more Supermercat virtual ownership of most fermers, who are thirled to them.
Posted by: drew, canada on 6:44am Sun 9 Mar 08
The green thinking people have been warning heavily against bio-fuels from the very start. It stands to reason that the majority of earths people and the earth itself will not benefit if you use 3 units of 130,000 BTU's/gallon dirty fossil fuel to produce 1 unit of 86,000 BTU's/gallon cleaner emission ethanol. That is more than 4 times as bad as simply not doing anything at all. This only benefits the right-wing Corporates. To them, money trumps fresh air. You can buy more political green spin with it, which is like compound interest on your investments. There is a big difference between thinking greens and fraudulent green$.
The green thinking people have been warning heavily against bio-fuels from the very start. It stands to reason that the majority of earths people and the earth itself will not benefit if you use 3 units of 130,000 BTU's/gallon dirty fossil fuel to produce 1 unit of 86,000 BTU's/gallon cleaner emission ethanol. That is more than 4 times as bad as simply not doing anything at all. This only benefits the right-wing Corporates. To them, money trumps fresh air. You can buy more political green spin with it, which is like compound interest on your investments. There is a big difference between thinking greens and fraudulent green$.
Posted by: wolfgang klita, Clydebank on 8:29am Sun 9 Mar 08
I dont really give a toss if pig farmers demonstrate in london or not. Pork is reared in questionable environs, their meat is full of chemicals and anti biotics...
Let us be honest, if we introduce a hefty tax on the meat producer for their products, peoples diet would be more fruit and veg based which leads me to think that healthier diet will lead to less pressure on the NHS too. Land that is idle at present should be used for crops. Local authorities shoud give their tentants council tax discounts if they use their garden for growing vegetables. Last but not least, no new house should be built, unless it has its roof cladded with solar panels....that will make the greedy utility companies think again....
Are our politicians thick?? I wonder....
I dont really give a toss if pig farmers demonstrate in london or not. Pork is reared in questionable environs, their meat is full of chemicals and anti biotics...
Let us be honest, if we introduce a hefty tax on the meat producer for their products, peoples diet would be more fruit and veg based which leads me to think that healthier diet will lead to less pressure on the NHS too. Land that is idle at present should be used for crops. Local authorities shoud give their tentants council tax discounts if they use their garden for growing vegetables. Last but not least, no new house should be built, unless it has its roof cladded with solar panels....that will make the greedy utility companies think again....
Are our politicians thick?? I wonder....
Posted by: SPEED BIRD, Prestwick on 9:17am Sun 9 Mar 08
Most farmers would be quite happy without subsidies if the price of their produce had been linked to either of the following. MPs salaries. the price of alchol, cigarettes,fuel, gas,electricity, and natural mineral water, and milk and bread at the supermarket and many more, but instead their incomes for many have them on the "breadline".
Most farmers would be quite happy without subsidies if the price of their produce had been linked to either of the following. MPs salaries. the price of alchol, cigarettes,fuel, gas,electricity, and natural mineral water, and milk and bread at the supermarket and many more, but instead their incomes for many have them on the "breadline".
Posted by: Iljas Baker, Thailand on 9:22am Sun 9 Mar 08
Environmentalists were not to blame for this problem, greedy corporations and governments looking for a quick solution to the energy problem did! Had they listened to environmentalists and other civil society groups a more complex picture linking food, climate change, biodiversity and energy would have emerged and rash actions forestalled. People's right to food is being violated.
Rather than the usual knee jerk reaction about overpopulation, we need to rethink our food production system so that it guarantees food security for all rather than enormous profits for a few.
Environmentalists were not to blame for this problem, greedy corporations and governments looking for a quick solution to the energy problem did! Had they listened to environmentalists and other civil society groups a more complex picture linking food, climate change, biodiversity and energy would have emerged and rash actions forestalled. People's right to food is being violated.
Rather than the usual knee jerk reaction about overpopulation, we need to rethink our food production system so that it guarantees food security for all rather than enormous profits for a few.
Posted by: Des, Soon to be the poor-house if labour stays in power on 9:33am Sun 9 Mar 08
In the last three years we haven't bought any veg as we are fortunate to have a large garden & have turned over half of it to crops..
We make our own jam,pickle beets etc.
This year we are starting to keep a few chickens, just for the eggs though & hopefully if the planning department out here get off their collective butts we will have a wind turbine up..
We are far from well off as I earn not much more than the minimum wage but i refuse anymore to be held to ransom by the greedy among us..
In the last three years we haven't bought any veg as we are fortunate to have a large garden & have turned over half of it to crops..
We make our own jam,pickle beets etc.
This year we are starting to keep a few chickens, just for the eggs though & hopefully if the planning department out here get off their collective butts we will have a wind turbine up..
We are far from well off as I earn not much more than the minimum wage but i refuse anymore to be held to ransom by the greedy among us..
Posted by: bod, north on 9:54am Sun 9 Mar 08
setaside was scrapped last year despite fierce oppesition from enviro groups such as rspb
setaside was scrapped last year despite fierce oppesition from enviro groups such as rspb
Posted by: Shirley Hodge, Glasgow on 9:56am Sun 9 Mar 08
"Everyone wants to eat like an American on this globe. But if they do, we’re going to need another two or three globes to grow it all."
DANIEL W. BASSE of the AgResource Company, a Chicago consultancy.
This quote of the day in the NY Times this morning says it all. Bottom line is that most of the world's problems could easily be solved by enforced population control. Less people means less need for food, less demand for energy whose generation is a major contributor to global warming, less people to drive cars, less people to use plastic bags et al.
Until and when we actually tackle the real problem of multi-billions of our species overpopulating a planet which cannot come close to meeting all their demands then all of the "green" band-aids and hi-tech farming in the world are for naught.
"Everyone wants to eat like an American on this globe. But if they do, we’re going to need another two or three globes to grow it all."
DANIEL W. BASSE of the AgResource Company, a Chicago consultancy.
This quote of the day in the NY Times this morning says it all. Bottom line is that most of the world's problems could easily be solved by enforced population control. Less people means less need for food, less demand for energy whose generation is a major contributor to global warming, less people to drive cars, less people to use plastic bags et al.
Until and when we actually tackle the real problem of multi-billions of our species overpopulating a planet which cannot come close to meeting all their demands then all of the "green" band-aids and hi-tech farming in the world are for naught.
Posted by: We have meat and we can eat, Melbourne on 10:01am Sun 9 Mar 08
Why can't anyone admit that the real solution was keeping India and China in the "developing" world, and then keeping the jobs in the developed world and not offshoring them?
Oh wait. That wouldn't be PC either.
Why can't anyone admit that the real solution was keeping India and China in the "developing" world, and then keeping the jobs in the developed world and not offshoring them?
Oh wait. That wouldn't be PC either.
Posted by: bod, north on 10:02am Sun 9 Mar 08
facts;
price of wheat has only doubled in last 25 years
production subsidies to scottish farmers were scrapped about 4 years ago
there has been no profit in world agriculture for at least 10 years,hence no reinvestment in r&d or technology hence no increase in production for 10 years
current wheat price is about 20p/kg.what price a loaf of bread?
facts;
price of wheat has only doubled in last 25 years
production subsidies to scottish farmers were scrapped about 4 years ago
there has been no profit in world agriculture for at least 10 years,hence no reinvestment in r&d or technology hence no increase in production for 10 years
current wheat price is about 20p/kg.what price a loaf of bread?
Posted by: Iljas Baker, Thailand on 10:46am Sun 9 Mar 08
Shirley, Over 800 million are hungry, what they want is enough food, not obesity. Population control is not a panacea, the population will continue to grow because of the present population even without high fertility rates. Overpopulation is not a problem in the West, in fact the opposite is! You seem to want to impose a solution on the developing world that would not require the West to make any changes.
Melbourne correspondent: How do you propose to keep China and India from developing? At gun point? It isn't a matter of not being PC, Western capitalism needs their markets. There are important ethical issues at stake too, so we shouldn't just let them starve.
I think there is a consensus that there is enough food at present but it is inequitably distributed. for the future we need to rethink out food systems. Food security for all, respect for the right to food should be the priority.
Shirley, Over 800 million are hungry, what they want is enough food, not obesity. Population control is not a panacea, the population will continue to grow because of the present population even without high fertility rates. Overpopulation is not a problem in the West, in fact the opposite is! You seem to want to impose a solution on the developing world that would not require the West to make any changes.
Melbourne correspondent: How do you propose to keep China and India from developing? At gun point? It isn't a matter of not being PC, Western capitalism needs their markets. There are important ethical issues at stake too, so we shouldn't just let them starve.
I think there is a consensus that there is enough food at present but it is inequitably distributed. for the future we need to rethink out food systems. Food security for all, respect for the right to food should be the priority.
Posted by: Willie, Lenzie on 10:55am Sun 9 Mar 08
Not only are biofuels a mistake because we use up lots more than their equivalent in fossil fuels to produce them, but they still produce CO2 in roughly equivalent proportions. So they aren't in the least bit green!
Not only are biofuels a mistake because we use up lots more than their equivalent in fossil fuels to produce them, but they still produce CO2 in roughly equivalent proportions. So they aren't in the least bit green!
Posted by: bod on 11:26am Sun 9 Mar 08
its usa policy to increase biofuel production to increase self-sufficiency in fuel.surely this is good if it means they dont need to invade other countries and steal their oil?
its usa policy to increase biofuel production to increase self-sufficiency in fuel.surely this is good if it means they dont need to invade other countries and steal their oil?
Posted by: Johnny, Glasgow on 12:25pm Sun 9 Mar 08
We are fast becoming stupified into a food crisis. The danger for any of us nowadays is that with the amount of disinformation around we don't know who to believe. The big supermarkets must be rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of a scarcity mindset coming into play. I believe more sinister forces are at work and that the masses are being conditioned into creating a culture of fear so that manipulation can and will continue to exist.
We are becoming more and more like robots incapable of discerning or even seeking the truth in the news that is provided us. We have been stupefied into believing the garbage blasted from the media. We are in the process of being trained to never question, always accept and become apathetic when our attention runs dry. We need to waken up, the mass media is but a business where profit is king and where the seeking of customers is of primary importance. We are but a means to an end, mere statistics in the earnings game.
I know that we have the capabilities globally to feed the world but this has no chance of happening because the oligarch's who control the bulk of the world's wealth will never allow this to occur. What information does not serve the oligarch's interest or purpose is either suppressed by omission or attacked. The food story will be repeated and repeated to the point of indocrination and the stupification of the masses will be complete. Just look at the price of petrol.......I rest my case.
We are fast becoming stupified into a food crisis. The danger for any of us nowadays is that with the amount of disinformation around we don't know who to believe. The big supermarkets must be rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of a scarcity mindset coming into play. I believe more sinister forces are at work and that the masses are being conditioned into creating a culture of fear so that manipulation can and will continue to exist.
We are becoming more and more like robots incapable of discerning or even seeking the truth in the news that is provided us. We have been stupefied into believing the garbage blasted from the media. We are in the process of being trained to never question, always accept and become apathetic when our attention runs dry. We need to waken up, the mass media is but a business where profit is king and where the seeking of customers is of primary importance. We are but a means to an end, mere statistics in the earnings game.
I know that we have the capabilities globally to feed the world but this has no chance of happening because the oligarch's who control the bulk of the world's wealth will never allow this to occur. What information does not serve the oligarch's interest or purpose is either suppressed by omission or attacked. The food story will be repeated and repeated to the point of indocrination and the stupification of the masses will be complete. Just look at the price of petrol.......I rest my case.
Posted by: Wullie, govan on 12:30pm Sun 9 Mar 08
Oh Dear God
Another scare story, do any other countries batter their populations with this rubbish
Millenium bug
Global Warming
Fuel shortage
Energy Crises
Al Qaeda
Over Population, now thats a laugh
Oh Aye, the oil in the north sea is going to run out next Tuesday
Please add to the list
Oh Dear God
Another scare story, do any other countries batter their populations with this rubbish
Millenium bug
Global Warming
Fuel shortage
Energy Crises
Al Qaeda
Over Population, now thats a laugh
Oh Aye, the oil in the north sea is going to run out next Tuesday
Please add to the list
Posted by: Bay, the tree on 12:35pm Sun 9 Mar 08
[quote]Millions more of the world's most vulnerable people are facing starvation as food shortages loom and crop prices spiral ever upwards.[/quote] The fourth seal in Revelation is opened. "And I saw, and look! a pale horse; and the one seated upon it had the name Death. And Ha'des was closely following him. And authority was given them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with a long sword and with food shortage (famine) and with deadly plague (death) and by the wild beasts of the earth."
Millions more of the world's most vulnerable people are facing starvation as food shortages loom and crop prices spiral ever upwards.
The fourth seal in Revelation is opened. "And I saw, and look! a pale horse; and the one seated upon it had the name Death. And Ha'des was closely following him. And authority was given them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with a long sword and with food shortage (famine) and with deadly plague (death) and by the wild beasts of the earth."
Posted by: bob mckay, glasgow on 12:54pm Sun 9 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Bay, the tree[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Millions more of the world\'s most vulnerable people are facing starvation as food shortages loom and crop prices spiral ever upwards.[/quote] The fourth seal in Revelation is opened. \"And I saw, and look! a pale horse; and the one seated upon it had the name Death. And Ha\'des was closely following him. And authority was given them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with a long sword and with food shortage (famine) and with deadly plague (death) and by the wild beasts of the earth.\"[/quote] The wild beasts of the Earth? Lets leave Aberdeen fans out of this!
Just a thought; who benefits from this scare story? Food Multinationals; tick. Chemical/ GM industry: tick. Ordinary people.......
Its the good life for us all; see you at the allotment.
Bay, the tree wrote:
Millions more of the world\'s most vulnerable people are facing starvation as food shortages loom and crop prices spiral ever upwards.
The fourth seal in Revelation is opened. \"And I saw, and look! a pale horse; and the one seated upon it had the name Death. And Ha\'des was closely following him. And authority was given them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with a long sword and with food shortage (famine) and with deadly plague (death) and by the wild beasts of the earth.\"
The wild beasts of the Earth? Lets leave Aberdeen fans out of this!
Just a thought; who benefits from this scare story? Food Multinationals; tick. Chemical/ GM industry: tick. Ordinary people.......
Its the good life for us all; see you at the allotment.
Posted by: Observer on 1:06pm Sun 9 Mar 08
There is plenty of food in the world there always has been the problem is not scarcity it is distribution. While one half of the world starves the other half is on a diet trying to emulate that famine stricken look. It is obscene.
There is plenty of food in the world there always has been the problem is not scarcity it is distribution. While one half of the world starves the other half is on a diet trying to emulate that famine stricken look. It is obscene.
Posted by: donald on 2:10pm Sun 9 Mar 08
too many people and the populations rising.
too many people and the populations rising.
Posted by: Ael on 2:15pm Sun 9 Mar 08
A taxidriver from Talaght, Ireland, Michael Blanch, has battled to get the 19th century Famine officially recognised. He has been lobbying local and national politicians since 2004 to change Government policy to hold a national event to remember the victims of the Great Famine.
Taoiseach Berie Ahern will announce details next week about the very first official national day of commemoration.
It took scientists 40 years to come up with a solution to kill the potato blight at that time.
A taxidriver from Talaght, Ireland, Michael Blanch, has battled to get the 19th century Famine officially recognised. He has been lobbying local and national politicians since 2004 to change Government policy to hold a national event to remember the victims of the Great Famine.
Taoiseach Berie Ahern will announce details next week about the very first official national day of commemoration.
It took scientists 40 years to come up with a solution to kill the potato blight at that time.
Posted by: Observer on 2:26pm Sun 9 Mar 08
There are not too many people a curse on the memory of the Reverand Malthus. There are too many fat people and too many thin ones - go figure (pun intended). No one needed to die in the Irish famine it was politics not food. It is always politics there is enough food for everyone remember that next time you by a weight watchers ready meal.
There are not too many people a curse on the memory of the Reverand Malthus. There are too many fat people and too many thin ones - go figure (pun intended). No one needed to die in the Irish famine it was politics not food. It is always politics there is enough food for everyone remember that next time you by a weight watchers ready meal.
Posted by: Ael on 2:27pm Sun 9 Mar 08
[quote]Taoiseach Berie Ahern[/quote]
Taoiseach is official Irish title for Prime Minister.
Berie Ahern is BERTIE AHERN
Taoiseach Berie Ahern
Taoiseach is official Irish title for Prime Minister.
Berie Ahern is BERTIE AHERN
Posted by: Red Etin on 6:20pm Sun 9 Mar 08
"The rise in global temperatures caused by pollution" - or possibly by the poorly sited temperature recording stations!
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"The rise in global temperatures caused by pollution" - or possibly by the poorly sited temperature recording stations!
http://gallery.surfa
cestations.org/watts
-NYC-2008/page126.ht
ml
Posted by: kirsty on 7:01pm Sun 9 Mar 08
I had porkchop with Huzar Salad (without the pineapple), Thai white rice, and green and red oakleaf lettuce, Rucola and red onion washed in ice water (prepacked) for late luncheon.
Does 'food crisis' also comprise drinks. I'm having a white wine now, a cheap Mooi Kaap Droë Steen 2007. Cheers.
I had porkchop with Huzar Salad (without the pineapple), Thai white rice, and green and red oakleaf lettuce, Rucola and red onion washed in ice water (prepacked) for late luncheon.
Does 'food crisis' also comprise drinks. I'm having a white wine now, a cheap Mooi Kaap Droë Steen 2007. Cheers.
Posted by: Tumshie McPlum on 8:06pm Sun 9 Mar 08
Good on you Kirsty,
I had a plate o purritch and a tin o **** a leekie soup.
Good news is, the shops have tons o the stuff.
Bye for noo.
Good on you Kirsty,
I had a plate o purritch and a tin o **** a leekie soup.
Good news is, the shops have tons o the stuff.
Bye for noo.
Posted by: Tumshie McPlum on 8:16pm Sun 9 Mar 08
Ah feel guilty now,
Actually it's not funny that millions of people cannot get anything.
So instead of worrying about 2050 or whenever, how about sortin it out NOW.
Ah feel guilty now,
Actually it's not funny that millions of people cannot get anything.
So instead of worrying about 2050 or whenever, how about sortin it out NOW.
Posted by: RJ on 8:41pm Sun 9 Mar 08
There's been a rise in temperatures? You mean with last year recording some of the lowest temps? And pollution caused it? Oh my, better tell the experts that have shown the warming in the temps is directly related to the activity on the sun. Which, because of decreased activity means we will soon be heading into a cooling. I realise some of you got your education from Al Gore's laughable facts in his dvd. Time to open your books and get some real knowledge now
There's been a rise in temperatures? You mean with last year recording some of the lowest temps? And pollution caused it? Oh my, better tell the experts that have shown the warming in the temps is directly related to the activity on the sun. Which, because of decreased activity means we will soon be heading into a cooling. I realise some of you got your education from Al Gore's laughable facts in his dvd. Time to open your books and get some real knowledge now
Posted by: wa, boston, ma on 8:59pm Sun 9 Mar 08
Why are we growing food to feed cars instead of people?
[bold]Because our leaders are ****.[/bold]
Why are we growing food to feed cars instead of people?
Because our leaders are ****. Posted by: K. on 9:05pm Sun 9 Mar 08
Tumshie,
[quote]**** a leekie soup[/quote]
C0CK-A-LEEKIE SOUP, you mean?
Was't gud?
Tumshie,
**** a leekie soup
C0CK-A-LEEKIE SOUP, you mean?
Was't gud?
Posted by: Mike K nows, Canada on 9:13pm Sun 9 Mar 08
Food just doesn't disappear that fast. According to my extensive investigation done by my secret group of expert researchers, I have discovered that the secret government has been secretly buying up all the food in order to reduce the worlds population by starvation. There is a global disaster coming in about 4.5 years and they are determined to wipe out 6 billion people before it even happens. The rest of us are going to be gathered up and tagged like sheep. What the elite don't know is that they are being set up to die in their very own bunker's in order to free those who survive from their tyranny.
Food just doesn't disappear that fast. According to my extensive investigation done by my secret group of expert researchers, I have discovered that the secret government has been secretly buying up all the food in order to reduce the worlds population by starvation. There is a global disaster coming in about 4.5 years and they are determined to wipe out 6 billion people before it even happens. The rest of us are going to be gathered up and tagged like sheep. What the elite don't know is that they are being set up to die in their very own bunker's in order to free those who survive from their tyranny.
Posted by: Tumshie McPlum on 9:26pm Sun 9 Mar 08
[quote][bold]K.[/bold] wrote:
Tumshie, [quote]**** a leekie soup[/quote] C0CK-A-LEEKIE SOUP, you mean? Was\'t gud? [/quote] Twas magic, ah'm gonnae hiv another yin in a wee while.
Hailstanes ootside n that, so ye cannae beat a plate o C0CK-a-LEEKIE.
An a wid gie it ***** instead o **** by the way Sunday Herald.
K. wrote:
Tumshie, **** a leekie soup
C0CK-A-LEEKIE SOUP, you mean? Was\'t gud?
Twas magic, ah'm gonnae hiv another yin in a wee while.
Hailstanes ootside n that, so ye cannae beat a plate o C0CK-a-LEEKIE.
An a wid gie it ***** instead o **** by the way Sunday Herald.
Posted by: Mike Knows, Canada on 9:31pm Sun 9 Mar 08
There is no drought. Sea levels are not rising. Meat prices do not rise because cattle eat the grass in the fields. Pollution is not affecting crops. Farmer's are not going out of business because they are making record profits..they are making more money than ever in recorded history because prices are high. There is no global warming. There have been bumper crops all over the world and food production has increased.
You see! Newspaper's don't do any research, they get their information Off the wire, It is fed to them from the people at the top. The elite are the master's of propaganda and they pump it in to you over and over until you eventually believe it.
There is no drought. Sea levels are not rising. Meat prices do not rise because cattle eat the grass in the fields. Pollution is not affecting crops. Farmer's are not going out of business because they are making record profits..they are making more money than ever in recorded history because prices are high. There is no global warming. There have been bumper crops all over the world and food production has increased.
You see! Newspaper's don't do any research, they get their information Off the wire, It is fed to them from the people at the top. The elite are the master's of propaganda and they pump it in to you over and over until you eventually believe it.
Posted by: T McP on 9:43pm Sun 9 Mar 08
Ye could well be right there Mike, it's fairly cool the noo and it's March and it's been snowin as well and the hills are covered in the stuff.
Yer right aboot the propaganda, but most probably don't believe it.
It's all an excuse to increase profits, mostly at the expense of the poor and hungry of the world, and everyone else to a lesser degree, if you ask me.
Ye could well be right there Mike, it's fairly cool the noo and it's March and it's been snowin as well and the hills are covered in the stuff.
Yer right aboot the propaganda, but most probably don't believe it.
It's all an excuse to increase profits, mostly at the expense of the poor and hungry of the world, and everyone else to a lesser degree, if you ask me.
Posted by: R. Schulz, Jericho N.Y. on 9:47pm Sun 9 Mar 08
President Bush II is responsible for the rise in oil prices from $25 to $l06/bbl with his private war of agression against Irak. Now he is responsible for world corn prices rising by turning food into fuel. In both cases the price increases are government policy and deliberate. Just wait until the homicidal maniac starts his war against Iran!
President Bush II is responsible for the rise in oil prices from $25 to $l06/bbl with his private war of agression against Irak. Now he is responsible for world corn prices rising by turning food into fuel. In both cases the price increases are government policy and deliberate. Just wait until the homicidal maniac starts his war against Iran!
Posted by: wullie, govan on 9:49pm Sun 9 Mar 08
Just wondering, when will there be a global alcohol and tobacco shortage !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just wondering, when will there be a global alcohol and tobacco shortage !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Observer on 10:08pm Sun 9 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Draconius[/bold] wrote:
The solution is simple: We need to eliminate at least two billion useless eaters. We could start by thinning out the ranks of Chinese and indians. There are already too many of them, and most of them live like beasts anyway. If we liquidated 2 billion Africans, Mexicans, Central & South Americans, Africans, Indians, Chinese we would be in fine shape.[/quote] Oh another Malthusian - how come it's the dark skinned people who have got to die off ? Why not the lardy arsed americans after all they are the ones who use up the most resources, and a few of us as well should die off, Jackie Baillie for a start. Her grocery bill for the week could probably keep an African village alive for a year.
Draconius wrote:
The solution is simple: We need to eliminate at least two billion useless eaters. We could start by thinning out the ranks of Chinese and indians. There are already too many of them, and most of them live like beasts anyway. If we liquidated 2 billion Africans, Mexicans, Central & South Americans, Africans, Indians, Chinese we would be in fine shape.
Oh another Malthusian - how come it's the dark skinned people who have got to die off ? Why not the lardy arsed americans after all they are the ones who use up the most resources, and a few of us as well should die off, Jackie Baillie for a start. Her grocery bill for the week could probably keep an African village alive for a year.
Posted by: Mike Knows, Canada on 10:20pm Sun 9 Mar 08
For those of you who don't believe my last 2 posts see for your self here:
http://www.canada.co
m/montrealgazette/ne
ws/story.html?id=9f0
49a7d-8ff0-45d9-a053
-84e775ce798f&k=3065
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Do your own research and go back a few years and you will find that there have been BUMPER CROPS all over and even in India.
And the Big food organizations that feed the poor in the developing world are being cut off from money to feed these people. The greedy people at the top who have all the money in the world can easily feed all the people in the world. Figure it out yourself and do your own research.
People of the world are tired of all the fake wars and the killing of innocent people, and all the lies and propaganda and corruption and deceit. You can't fool us anymore. We are not going to take it anymore.
The time has come for all you greedy central bankers who own every central bank in the world except for 7 countries to step down gracefully. It's over!
The time has come to show the world some humanity and love towards one another, and to use some of your hundred's of trillions of dollars to help these people instead of trying to kill everyone. And the time has come to free the world from it's dependence on oil and bring out the free energy technology that you have been hiding for 5000 years. All these big cities all over the world that are so polluted from fossil fuels would have clean air overnight, think about all the animals and the fish in the sea and the birds and wildlife that your have killed from your oil machine. We all have to share this same planet with each other and grow up and start caring about each and every one of us and stop this madness now!
The universe is endless and we can go anywhere we want. We have the technology, but we need to grow up.
For those of you who don't believe my last 2 posts see for your self here:
http://www.canada.co
m/montrealgazette/ne
ws/story.html?id=9f0
49a7d-8ff0-45d9-a053
-84e775ce798f&k=3065
9
Do your own research and go back a few years and you will find that there have been BUMPER CROPS all over and even in India.
And the Big food organizations that feed the poor in the developing world are being cut off from money to feed these people. The greedy people at the top who have all the money in the world can easily feed all the people in the world. Figure it out yourself and do your own research.
People of the world are tired of all the fake wars and the killing of innocent people, and all the lies and propaganda and corruption and deceit. You can't fool us anymore. We are not going to take it anymore.
The time has come for all you greedy central bankers who own every central bank in the world except for 7 countries to step down gracefully. It's over!
The time has come to show the world some humanity and love towards one another, and to use some of your hundred's of trillions of dollars to help these people instead of trying to kill everyone. And the time has come to free the world from it's dependence on oil and bring out the free energy technology that you have been hiding for 5000 years. All these big cities all over the world that are so polluted from fossil fuels would have clean air overnight, think about all the animals and the fish in the sea and the birds and wildlife that your have killed from your oil machine. We all have to share this same planet with each other and grow up and start caring about each and every one of us and stop this madness now!
The universe is endless and we can go anywhere we want. We have the technology, but we need to grow up.
Posted by: Steve Ilievski, Canada on 10:28pm Sun 9 Mar 08
How can people still talk of global warming when here in Toronto, Canada we have already had winter since November and presently on the 9th. of March we are surrounded by mountains of snow with a fresh snowstorm dumping half a meter of snow just yesterday, March the 8th. And it's not just Canada, record snow fall in China, snows in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere. Global temperatures have plunged by three quarters %. and still they talk of global warming just so they can smack all of us with a carbon tax. What we are experiencing is global cooling and it seems to be coming fast.
How can people still talk of global warming when here in Toronto, Canada we have already had winter since November and presently on the 9th. of March we are surrounded by mountains of snow with a fresh snowstorm dumping half a meter of snow just yesterday, March the 8th. And it's not just Canada, record snow fall in China, snows in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere. Global temperatures have plunged by three quarters %. and still they talk of global warming just so they can smack all of us with a carbon tax. What we are experiencing is global cooling and it seems to be coming fast.
Posted by: grumpy_old_fart, Utah on 10:33pm Sun 9 Mar 08
There is enough arable farm land to feed the earth's population.
There is enough water flowing out to sea to sustain agriculture.
There is enough sunlight, 80 watts per square foot, heliostats and triple pane collector/boilers powering closed circuit steam engines turning generators and harvestable wind energy to provide for all electical needs.
Hydrogen fuel supplementation reduces fossil fuel consumption 10%-50%. Tractor trailer rigs are reporting a consistent 20% reduction in fuel consumption and picking up one gear on hills.
There is enough arable farm land to feed the earth's population.
There is enough water flowing out to sea to sustain agriculture.
There is enough sunlight, 80 watts per square foot, heliostats and triple pane collector/boilers powering closed circuit steam engines turning generators and harvestable wind energy to provide for all electical needs.
Hydrogen fuel supplementation reduces fossil fuel consumption 10%-50%. Tractor trailer rigs are reporting a consistent 20% reduction in fuel consumption and picking up one gear on hills.
Posted by: SPEEDBIRD, Prestwick on 11:16pm Sun 9 Mar 08
I remember an "expert" stated that Poland had the potential to feed all Europe. !!!
I remember an "expert" stated that Poland had the potential to feed all Europe. !!!
Posted by: Kirsty on 11:20pm Sun 9 Mar 08
[quote]An a wid gie it ***** instead o **** by the way Sunday Herald[/quote] Please, don't talk in riddles!!!
Sorry for not keeping in touch in time, was watching a very 'good' movie about 2 convicts, one was a woman serialkiller, who were transported from NY to LA. In the end the pretty flight attendant flew the plane all by herself to safety of course. Ben Cross had a small part in it as well as the still visible Twin Towers.
An a wid gie it ***** instead o **** by the way Sunday Herald
Please, don't talk in riddles!!!
Sorry for not keeping in touch in time, was watching a very 'good' movie about 2 convicts, one was a woman serialkiller, who were transported from NY to LA. In the end the pretty flight attendant flew the plane all by herself to safety of course. Ben Cross had a small part in it as well as the still visible Twin Towers.
Posted by: Bob Jones, America on 11:26pm Sun 9 Mar 08
Bogus Envirolmental creat's
Artificial economic crisis = real money or credit shortage.
Artificial food shortage = no food.
Artificial water shortage = thirst and little or no crops.
All this = CONTROL OF THE MASSES, By Design.
You have nothing to fear but fear it self.
Winston Churchill.
Hold those lowly persons in goverment responsible for what they have done to this world and are about to do. England throw off your shackles, and replace those who oppress you and enslave you, Those who want to watch your every move, like perverts in the dark.
As for me give me Liberty or give me death,
Patric Henry.
Wake up sleepers time is running out, for all of us
Bob Jones
Aboard the American Privateer
Bogus Envirolmental creat's
Artificial economic crisis = real money or credit shortage.
Artificial food shortage = no food.
Artificial water shortage = thirst and little or no crops.
All this = CONTROL OF THE MASSES, By Design.
You have nothing to fear but fear it self.
Winston Churchill.
Hold those lowly persons in goverment responsible for what they have done to this world and are about to do. England throw off your shackles, and replace those who oppress you and enslave you, Those who want to watch your every move, like perverts in the dark.
As for me give me Liberty or give me death,
Patric Henry.
Wake up sleepers time is running out, for all of us
Bob Jones
Aboard the American Privateer
Posted by: T McP on 11:35pm Sun 9 Mar 08
"An a wid gie it ***** instead o **** by the way Sunday Herald"
I meant that I would give it (the soup) 5 stars instead of 4 stars. Just a joke.
Sorry if it appeared as a Helen, this was quite unintentional.
Noo theres a word ah've no heard for a while.
Aboot 2 days anyway.
Unintentional that is.
No need to be sorry.
Bye for noo.
"An a wid gie it ***** instead o **** by the way Sunday Herald"
I meant that I would give it (the soup) 5 stars instead of 4 stars. Just a joke.
Sorry if it appeared as a Helen, this was quite unintentional.
Noo theres a word ah've no heard for a while.
Aboot 2 days anyway.
Unintentional that is.
No need to be sorry.
Bye for noo.
Posted by: T. McPlum on 11:55pm Sun 9 Mar 08
Kirsty,
Have you worked out the Helen Liddell?
I just thought I should maybe ask jist in case.
Time for the soup, see ya later.
Kirsty,
Have you worked out the Helen Liddell?
I just thought I should maybe ask jist in case.
Time for the soup, see ya later.
Posted by: Hill, NY, USA on 12:30am Mon 10 Mar 08
None have mentioned the honeybee crisis that makes this far worse than explained. MIKE KNOWS seemed too miss that one. Uh, Mike, are you aware that just this past yr, the UK has lost over 250,000 hives? The States are in agricultural turmoil as a result and, according to beekeepers worldwide, we are going to lose the entire global bee population in 10 yrs if they don't find a cure for the disease that is causing the die-off.
And I'm sure the twits amoung you think not getting stung is a happy thought, eh?
None have mentioned the honeybee crisis that makes this far worse than explained. MIKE KNOWS seemed too miss that one. Uh, Mike, are you aware that just this past yr, the UK has lost over 250,000 hives? The States are in agricultural turmoil as a result and, according to beekeepers worldwide, we are going to lose the entire global bee population in 10 yrs if they don't find a cure for the disease that is causing the die-off.
And I'm sure the twits amoung you think not getting stung is a happy thought, eh?
Posted by: K. on 12:33am Mon 10 Mar 08
Only know that Helen Liddell is Catholic and deep into politics, ahum.
Jersey is deep into trouble, if you ask me.
Only know that Helen Liddell is Catholic and deep into politics, ahum.
Jersey is deep into trouble, if you ask me.
Posted by: T. on 12:59am Mon 10 Mar 08
Yes K.
Her name rythmed with riddle. say no more.
It appears that they were doing more than growing tomatoes in Jersey.
Absolutely atrocious.
Sadly, it's possibly the tip of the iceberg.
Yes K.
Her name rythmed with riddle. say no more.
It appears that they were doing more than growing tomatoes in Jersey.
Absolutely atrocious.
Sadly, it's possibly the tip of the iceberg.
Posted by: james blair, USA on 1:00am Mon 10 Mar 08
Most of this world is empty space. shortage problems are due to the fact that ruthless men run the world. And this is only due to the fact that the average person not interested in the truth and cares little for those who suffer out of sight. Now the beast will come home to roost. Maybe this has to be.
Most of this world is empty space. shortage problems are due to the fact that ruthless men run the world. And this is only due to the fact that the average person not interested in the truth and cares little for those who suffer out of sight. Now the beast will come home to roost. Maybe this has to be.
Posted by: A, Scotland on 1:23am Mon 10 Mar 08
No it doesn't have to be James.
All they have to do is stop fighting and telling porkies and start growing more food for all.
I don't know if they're smart enough, but I'd love them to prove that they are, as it would be better for everyone.
No it doesn't have to be James.
All they have to do is stop fighting and telling porkies and start growing more food for all.
I don't know if they're smart enough, but I'd love them to prove that they are, as it would be better for everyone.
Posted by: Kirsty on 3:04am Mon 10 Mar 08
T.
Riddle, Liddell,
[quote]It appears that they were doing more than growing tomatoes in Jersey.[/quote]
I know for sure it was strawberries. I was there for 3 days camping in the piddle -ing rain one summer.
Bonne nuit
T.
Riddle, Liddell,
It appears that they were doing more than growing tomatoes in Jersey.
I know for sure it was strawberries. I was there for 3 days camping in the piddle -ing rain one summer.
Bonne nuit
Posted by: Nanette, San Diego on 3:22am Mon 10 Mar 08
To solve the food shortage problem I would propose the following:
1) Stop using grain for fuel.
2) Stop eating meat.
3a) Plant fruit trees everywhere they will grow.
3b) People learn how to grow their own food products on their own land.
4) People learn how to cook basics from scratch. No highly processed foods that use up a lot of resources (fuel & time).
5) Start a neighborhood food bank program using the concepts that when people go shopping, they buy one simple food product to donate or have collections in neighborhoods to collect one can or package of food from every residence.
6) Everyone buy a bike. Not only will you save gas but you will get the needed exercise every day.
These are simple ways to stop hunger.
To solve the food shortage problem I would propose the following:
1) Stop using grain for fuel.
2) Stop eating meat.
3a) Plant fruit trees everywhere they will grow.
3b) People learn how to grow their own food products on their own land.
4) People learn how to cook basics from scratch. No highly processed foods that use up a lot of resources (fuel & time).
5) Start a neighborhood food bank program using the concepts that when people go shopping, they buy one simple food product to donate or have collections in neighborhoods to collect one can or package of food from every residence.
6) Everyone buy a bike. Not only will you save gas but you will get the needed exercise every day.
These are simple ways to stop hunger.
Posted by: machi on 6:25am Mon 10 Mar 08
Yes the stage is set for the introduction of GM foods. People will happily want to blame increasing population etc, but thats not the case here people. There is enough food available today to feed twice the population of the world like princes if managed properly. The would rather you blame increasing human population, and so secretly wish for a curtailment. So when a viral infection to thin population is finally introduced, humanity will happily accept it. We are all fools
Yes the stage is set for the introduction of GM foods. People will happily want to blame increasing population etc, but thats not the case here people. There is enough food available today to feed twice the population of the world like princes if managed properly. The would rather you blame increasing human population, and so secretly wish for a curtailment. So when a viral infection to thin population is finally introduced, humanity will happily accept it. We are all fools
Posted by: steve, new york city on 6:29am Mon 10 Mar 08
the sixfold explosion in population over the past 150 years is, solely, a direct result of the efficiencies brought about by the discovery of oil. now that oil production has peaked and is in a state of irreversible depletion, the population will gradually die off to a sustainable level, probably about 2 billion people by the end of the century. it can't be stopped, and it won't be pretty. have a nice day!
the sixfold explosion in population over the past 150 years is, solely, a direct result of the efficiencies brought about by the discovery of oil. now that oil production has peaked and is in a state of irreversible depletion, the population will gradually die off to a sustainable level, probably about 2 billion people by the end of the century. it can't be stopped, and it won't be pretty. have a nice day!
Posted by: steve, new york city on 6:47am Mon 10 Mar 08
although it is politically unfashionable to say so, malthus was absolutely correct. the human population is in a serious state of overshoot right now, with predictable consequences.
although it is politically unfashionable to say so, malthus was absolutely correct. the human population is in a serious state of overshoot right now, with predictable consequences.
Posted by: Chloe Joquel Freeland, Oceanside, CA, USA on 7:05am Mon 10 Mar 08
[bold]Is there anyone else[/bold] on this board having trouble buying food.=? I am no longer shopping at giant supermarkets or at WalMart. I shop at three places: Big Lots, 99ct Store, and the Food Truck that shows up in a parking lot in Oceanside every Wednesday afternoon with food
that is donated to the Food Truck nonprofit.
I wait for an hour in my car for the Food Truck volunteers to unpack the refrigerated truck. I wait in a line of some thirty other cars. When the truck is unloaded each car driver pays $25 for one box of packaged and canned staples and a second box of cooled items like milk, eggs, frozen meat (hot dogs or fajita beef) and sometimes cheese and yogurt.
These packaged foods from the truck should feed a family of four for about a week. Mine last me about a month. This is how I have come to survive the recent 25% increase in food as I am living now mostly on a fixed Social Security income.
The cost of getting food grown in Iowa or Kansas to California is causing the supermarket prices to increase a few cents every week. I have to wait in a field of cars waiting for the Wedness food drop. I feel sorry for those who do not have a car and have to stand in the line with their little shopping carts. I can only afford to drive my car there once or twice per month. One tank must last my at least 3 months. I travel by bus and train or I walk or ride my bicycle.
The homebuilders and shopping mall developers have overbuilt this area of California to the extent that there is not enough clean water
coming here to prevent water rationing.
This is a reality check on global food prices and inflation. I would like to know the truth about how this is observed by you in your community.
Overjoyed to have 3 meals today.
[italic]Chloe[/italic]
http://www.thepeacec
linic.org
Is there anyone else on this board having trouble buying food.=? I am no longer shopping at giant supermarkets or at WalMart. I shop at three places: Big Lots, 99ct Store, and the Food Truck that shows up in a parking lot in Oceanside every Wednesday afternoon with food
that is donated to the Food Truck nonprofit.
I wait for an hour in my car for the Food Truck volunteers to unpack the refrigerated truck. I wait in a line of some thirty other cars. When the truck is unloaded each car driver pays $25 for one box of packaged and canned staples and a second box of cooled items like milk, eggs, frozen meat (hot dogs or fajita beef) and sometimes cheese and yogurt.
These packaged foods from the truck should feed a family of four for about a week. Mine last me about a month. This is how I have come to survive the recent 25% increase in food as I am living now mostly on a fixed Social Security income.
The cost of getting food grown in Iowa or Kansas to California is causing the supermarket prices to increase a few cents every week. I have to wait in a field of cars waiting for the Wedness food drop. I feel sorry for those who do not have a car and have to stand in the line with their little shopping carts. I can only afford to drive my car there once or twice per month. One tank must last my at least 3 months. I travel by bus and train or I walk or ride my bicycle.
The homebuilders and shopping mall developers have overbuilt this area of California to the extent that there is not enough clean water
coming here to prevent water rationing.
This is a reality check on global food prices and inflation. I would like to know the truth about how this is observed by you in your community.
Overjoyed to have 3 meals today.
Chloe
http://www.thepeacec
linic.org
Posted by: Des, Soon to be the poor-house if labour stays in power on 7:49am Mon 10 Mar 08
At least 28 million tons of food are binned every year in the UK alone,why?,because its deemed out of date,not good enough for the supermarket to sell,wrong label on it, the list is endless..Bottom line is that this food is edible but its being rejected...
At least 28 million tons of food are binned every year in the UK alone,why?,because its deemed out of date,not good enough for the supermarket to sell,wrong label on it, the list is endless..Bottom line is that this food is edible but its being rejected...
Posted by: Chloe Joquel Freeland, Oceanside, CA USA on 7:57am Mon 10 Mar 08
Des,
Is there an activist group that is trying to get the food out of the bins for the people? Is there a website about this?
Thanking you in advance,
Chloe
http://www.thepeacec
linic.org
Des,
Is there an activist group that is trying to get the food out of the bins for the people? Is there a website about this?
Thanking you in advance,
Chloe
http://www.thepeacec
linic.org
Posted by: Gallopping Nomad, USA on 8:10am Mon 10 Mar 08
Hey, at the individual level, one must become self sustaining. Forget what your 'Govt' can do for you .... because it isnt enough! Its time to dig up the back and front lawns and get back to realitiy. If you cant provide for yourself then what are you doing about it??
I have a massve garden, grow all my fruits and vegies, couple sheep, 15 chooks and a duck. Just setting up for a house cow now.... theres probably enough room and feed on the property for maybe three cows ... but we'll see. The only thing I can't really grow myself is wheat to make bread.
So get cracking .... learn to support yourselves again like humans used to. It isnt going to get any better.
Hey, at the individual level, one must become self sustaining. Forget what your 'Govt' can do for you .... because it isnt enough! Its time to dig up the back and front lawns and get back to realitiy. If you cant provide for yourself then what are you doing about it??
I have a massve garden, grow all my fruits and vegies, couple sheep, 15 chooks and a duck. Just setting up for a house cow now.... theres probably enough room and feed on the property for maybe three cows ... but we'll see. The only thing I can't really grow myself is wheat to make bread.
So get cracking .... learn to support yourselves again like humans used to. It isnt going to get any better.
Posted by: lute, Canada on 10:17am Mon 10 Mar 08
[quote][bold]SPEED BIRD[/bold] wrote:
Most farmers would be quite happy without subsidies if the price of their produce had been linked to either of the following. MPs salaries. the price of alchol, cigarettes,fuel, gas,electricity, and natural mineral water, and milk and bread at the supermarket and many more, but instead their incomes for many have them on the "breadline".[/quote] It's the same in Canada. Barley & wheat farmers are under attack by our federal gov. We have a Wheat Board where they can sell it all at a fair price, but the gov. in it's wisdom is giving in to the farmers who want to sell direct to the US.; shorter distances to ship, longer growing season so they think they are the only ones that count. The sabotage has been horrible. All ok'd by the feds. Now they are going after the hogs, forests, Crown land is being sold of to private co. And they sacked the PMs' Science Advisor and hired over 180 spin doctors to sell their crappy budget. (the PM does not believe in science.) He embarrassed the hell out of us at Bali, or his Enviro bulldog did. The idiot brought guys from the oil companies!! I think he was in Aus. making an **** of himself. Thanks for the vent. Speedbird, you have it exact on the money. But what does one do when they are really out to ruin everything for everyone and no election in sight yet.
SPEED BIRD wrote:
Most farmers would be quite happy without subsidies if the price of their produce had been linked to either of the following. MPs salaries. the price of alchol, cigarettes,fuel, gas,electricity, and natural mineral water, and milk and bread at the supermarket and many more, but instead their incomes for many have them on the "breadline".
It's the same in Canada. Barley & wheat farmers are under attack by our federal gov. We have a Wheat Board where they can sell it all at a fair price, but the gov. in it's wisdom is giving in to the farmers who want to sell direct to the US.; shorter distances to ship, longer growing season so they think they are the only ones that count. The sabotage has been horrible. All ok'd by the feds. Now they are going after the hogs, forests, Crown land is being sold of to private co. And they sacked the PMs' Science Advisor and hired over 180 spin doctors to sell their crappy budget. (the PM does not believe in science.) He embarrassed the hell out of us at Bali, or his Enviro bulldog did. The idiot brought guys from the oil companies!! I think he was in Aus. making an **** of himself. Thanks for the vent. Speedbird, you have it exact on the money. But what does one do when they are really out to ruin everything for everyone and no election in sight yet.
Posted by: Rob on 11:37am Mon 10 Mar 08
The Secret Government, Governments, IMF, World Bank, EU, UN, Corporation and banks...
All colluding to WIPE YOU OUT. Middle Classes are to go. Feudal Slave economy ruled by Fascist Dictator Kings.
Its ALL engineered people. Your Government DOES NOT love you. They want RID OF YOU! Money is a scam. Banks invent Money out of thin air. Economic cycles are CREATED to rob you. Laws are 'offers' designed to entrap YOU. Vaccinations give your Children Brain Damage. Free Energy has existed for decades and is suppressed. Additives and Chemicals in Food kill you. TV programs you. The Mainstream Media is PROPOGANDA. Fluoride gives you Brain Damage.
ALL TRUE. Research yourself online and Wake Up!
The Secret Government, Governments, IMF, World Bank, EU, UN, Corporation and banks...
All colluding to WIPE YOU OUT. Middle Classes are to go. Feudal Slave economy ruled by Fascist Dictator Kings.
Its ALL engineered people. Your Government DOES NOT love you. They want RID OF YOU! Money is a scam. Banks invent Money out of thin air. Economic cycles are CREATED to rob you. Laws are 'offers' designed to entrap YOU. Vaccinations give your Children Brain Damage. Free Energy has existed for decades and is suppressed. Additives and Chemicals in Food kill you. TV programs you. The Mainstream Media is PROPOGANDA. Fluoride gives you Brain Damage.
ALL TRUE. Research yourself online and Wake Up!
Posted by: A & T, Other World on 12:56pm Mon 10 Mar 08
[quote][bold]steve[/bold] wrote:
the sixfold explosion in population over the past 150 years is, solely, a direct result of the efficiencies brought about by the discovery of oil. now that oil production has peaked and is in a state of irreversible depletion, the population will gradually die off to a sustainable level, probably about 2 billion people by the end of the century. it can\\\'t be stopped, and it won\\\'t be pretty. have a nice day![/quote] There has not been a sixfold increase here in Scotland.
Too busy fighting and dying for the greed of others who would deny us the right to run our own show.
"Efficiencies brought about by the discovery of oil"
Yes the 2 unwanted world wars and Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine etc. etc. and the wiping out and controlling of indigenous populations has been very efficient eh?
Not to mention the gross waste of resources by a paranoid bunch of self serving, would be, elitist morons in building their weapons of MD?
What I would like to know is, how did these cretinous lunatics get to where they are at the expense of everything and everyone else?
Paranoid, self deluding, would be elitists are not the right sort of people to lead countries and if you think they have acted in an efficient manner, then you must have been reading too many commando comics, if you ask me.
Desperate Dan husnae got a look in.
All the best.
A & T @ otherworld.co.uk
Free the world from morons and clowns, no more paranoia induced waste of resources to satisfy a few chanty rastlers.
Wakey wakey.
steve wrote:
the sixfold explosion in population over the past 150 years is, solely, a direct result of the efficiencies brought about by the discovery of oil. now that oil production has peaked and is in a state of irreversible depletion, the population will gradually die off to a sustainable level, probably about 2 billion people by the end of the century. it can't be stopped, and it won't be pretty. have a nice day!
There has not been a sixfold increase here in Scotland.
Too busy fighting and dying for the greed of others who would deny us the right to run our own show.
"Efficiencies brought about by the discovery of oil"
Yes the 2 unwanted world wars and Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine etc. etc. and the wiping out and controlling of indigenous populations has been very efficient eh?
Not to mention the gross waste of resources by a paranoid bunch of self serving, would be, elitist morons in building their weapons of MD?
What I would like to know is, how did these cretinous lunatics get to where they are at the expense of everything and everyone else?
Paranoid, self deluding, would be elitists are not the right sort of people to lead countries and if you think they have acted in an efficient manner, then you must have been reading too many commando comics, if you ask me.
Desperate Dan husnae got a look in.
All the best.
A & T @ otherworld.co.uk
Free the world from morons and clowns, no more paranoia induced waste of resources to satisfy a few chanty rastlers.
Wakey wakey.
Posted by: Rob Lyons, London on 2:04pm Mon 10 Mar 08
Wanna check this factoid? "In India last year, more than 25,000 farmers took their own lives, driven to despair by grain shortages and farming debts." The figure of 25,000 is quoted elsewhere - but as a [italic]death toll since 1997[/italic]. For example, a PBS documentary notes: "Since 1997, more than 25,000 farmers have committed suicide, many drinking the chemical that was supposed to make their crops more, not less, productive." An article on the Yale University website says: "During the past decade that brought prosperity to so many in India, more than 25,000 Indian farmers committed suicide."
It's not good news either way, but 25,000 suicides in one year truly would be remarkable. Furthermore, it's not clear that this is really related to recent events. Rather, as the article 'Why Suicides by Farmers?' on ZNet reports, the increase is driven by the opening up of markets to global competition and the slashing of subsidies to farmers.
Wanna check this factoid? "In India last year, more than 25,000 farmers took their own lives, driven to despair by grain shortages and farming debts." The figure of 25,000 is quoted elsewhere - but as a
death toll since 1997. For example, a PBS documentary notes: "Since 1997, more than 25,000 farmers have committed suicide, many drinking the chemical that was supposed to make their crops more, not less, productive." An article on the Yale University website says: "During the past decade that brought prosperity to so many in India, more than 25,000 Indian farmers committed suicide."
It's not good news either way, but 25,000 suicides in one year truly would be remarkable. Furthermore, it's not clear that this is really related to recent events. Rather, as the article 'Why Suicides by Farmers?' on ZNet reports, the increase is driven by the opening up of markets to global competition and the slashing of subsidies to farmers.
Posted by: T. on 3:59pm Mon 10 Mar 08
"I know for sure it was strawberries"
Thanks for that K
You've given me an idea,
Grow yer ain Strawberries and don't be Diddled.
Plums are good for you too?
Orrabestfurrinnoo.
It's time 4 T. or mibbe Coffee,
and make sure the beans urnae Fiddled.
"I know for sure it was strawberries"
Thanks for that K
You've given me an idea,
Grow yer ain Strawberries and don't be Diddled.
Plums are good for you too?
Orrabestfurrinnoo.
It's time 4 T. or mibbe Coffee,
and make sure the beans urnae Fiddled.
Posted by: lute, Canada on 5:05pm Mon 10 Mar 08
[quote]What I would like to know is, how did these cretinous lunatics get to where they are at the expense of everything and everyone else?[/quote]
We gave them permission. We have been giving permission all along. So we have to take responsibility. Govs, churches, someone else is not going to do it for us.
And to the luddites who say give it all up, dig up your gardens, toss your tvs, grow yer own, bake from scratch (over an open fire?); I suppose you'll want to keep your internet connection and computer of course.
Oh yeah, one or two years is weather. It can be weird and great or unusual. Over decades and decades it starts to become climate. I have a wee garden (tiny) outside my flat. Everything is blooming. We had snow about 2 months ago. Not a white christmas in years. And I'm in the "Great White North", Canada.
I'm not saying we can't do anything, we must. But we can't be afraid all of the time. Half the posts here are defeatist when what's required is calm heads all pulling together. I like the idea of small local food banks. You would be surprised who goes without.
Vancouver, super rich city in a super rich country. Olympics will be here in 2010. And we have about 2000 homeless on our streets. I think they are planning to lock up most of them as mentally ill/addicted (only some are the rest are just poor) until the party is over and then everyone will be cured....it's going to be amazing. They are starting "pilot projects" to explore this option. How to get rid of the unsightly as quickly and neatly and possible?
Ah hell, I could go on like anyone over the abuses up power we all see. The thing is... what are we going to do about it? Or are we sticking our heads in the sand hoping someone else will clean up the mess so long as "me and mine" are ok?
What I would like to know is, how did these cretinous lunatics get to where they are at the expense of everything and everyone else?
We gave them permission. We have been giving permission all along. So we have to take responsibility. Govs, churches, someone else is not going to do it for us.
And to the luddites who say give it all up, dig up your gardens, toss your tvs, grow yer own, bake from scratch (over an open fire?); I suppose you'll want to keep your internet connection and computer of course.
Oh yeah, one or two years is weather. It can be weird and great or unusual. Over decades and decades it starts to become climate. I have a wee garden (tiny) outside my flat. Everything is blooming. We had snow about 2 months ago. Not a white christmas in years. And I'm in the "Great White North", Canada.
I'm not saying we can't do anything, we must. But we can't be afraid all of the time. Half the posts here are defeatist when what's required is calm heads all pulling together. I like the idea of small local food banks. You would be surprised who goes without.
Vancouver, super rich city in a super rich country. Olympics will be here in 2010. And we have about 2000 homeless on our streets. I think they are planning to lock up most of them as mentally ill/addicted (only some are the rest are just poor) until the party is over and then everyone will be cured....it's going to be amazing. They are starting "pilot projects" to explore this option. How to get rid of the unsightly as quickly and neatly and possible?
Ah hell, I could go on like anyone over the abuses up power we all see. The thing is... what are we going to do about it? Or are we sticking our heads in the sand hoping someone else will clean up the mess so long as "me and mine" are ok?
Posted by: ethan, vermont on 5:59pm Mon 10 Mar 08
plenty of local food here, trouble is getting people to come out to the farms and buy direct.
prices in the grocery stores have risen obscenely in the last month.
the population problem will be solved by the massive global die off of the bees, bats and other pollinators.
if it proves to be the cell phones doing it, are you all willing to get rid of yours?