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Call for Taser guns to be given to all Scottish police
Train every officer in high-voltage weapon use, says federation chairman

SCOTLAND'S TOP police representative has called for a change in the law to allow all officers to receive Taser gun training in an attempt to further extend the use of the controversial high-voltage weapon.

Norrie Flowers, chairman of the Scottish Police Federation, said the current policy of having only firearms-trained officers using the stun gun should be scrapped and replaced with Taser training for all 16,000 officers.

Only about 5% (750) of Scottish police officers are firearms trained, which means they are always "scarce on the ground", according to Flowers.

He said: "If something takes place they're going to have to send just the firearms-trained officers to use these things. The training can be done."

He said the law should be changed to allow all officers to carry a Taser gun just as it was to give all police CS spray.

"The legislation was changed so that all officers can carry CS spray without needing firearms training," he added. "We're saying that maybe something should happen here to allow officers to use Tasers which then means they become widespread.

"A police officer is accountable for their actions whether that's with the use of a baton, CS spray, Taser or firearm. I don't see the difficulty with widening this out."

He said the move would give more protection to the public and police.

Tasers were first introduced to Strathclyde Police in September 2005, then rolled out to all eight forces. The weapon has only ever been used by Strathclyde Police officers, who have deployed the gun five times.

The most recent incident was last November when a 28-year-old man in the east end of Glasgow was hit with the 50,000-volt charge after he was believed to be carrying a firearm.

Kenny MacAskill, SNP shadow justice minister, said the rise in gun crime in Scotland merited the roll out of Tasers for all officers.

He said: "We need to protect officers in a dangerous job from suffering injury, and, given the increase in firearms offences, Tasers offer opportunities to address matters without the real risk to life that come with a live bullet."

But campaigners greeted Flowers' call with caution. John Watson, of Amnesty International Scotland, said: "We don't advocate Tasers being rolled out any further. We feel they should be treated in the same way guns are.

"We've taken this position by looking at the evidence which has been collected from the US. If you look at the evidence, which is widely available, you can see there have been a number of people who have died from having Taser guns used on them. Tasers should be kept under lock and key, and certainly not given to every officer in Scotland."

Amnesty claims more than 150 Taser-related deaths have occurred in the US and Canada since 2001.

Ken Scott, director of Scottish Police Studies at Bell College, said increasing the weapons carried by officers could seriously affect the relationship between the public and the police.

"There's a very strong tradition in Scottish policing that they should be approachable to the public," he said. "There's a dilemma here. Police officers should be approachable and helpful, but giving them more weaponry - which may be given for good easons - runs the risk of distancing them from the public."

When asked if a national roll-out of Tasers could lead to an armed force, Scott said: "They've got the long-handled batons, the stab-proof vests and CS spray now. I don't think there is an immediate problem of that turning to guns, but there may be in time."

The Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpos) was unable to comment on the proposals.

But a Scottish Executive spokesman said: "We understand Acpos has put a proposal to Home Office ministers for an extension to the use of Tasers so that they could be used to resolve violent incidents that do not otherwise meet the criteria for firearms deployment. No decisions have yet been taken.

"Acpos has made no approach to the Scottish Executive on this subject, but any proposal would be given due consideration."

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Posted by: Vera Smart on 8:38am Sun 21 Jan 07
"The legislation was changed so that all officers can carry CS spray without needing firearms training," he added. "We're saying that maybe something should happen here to allow officers to use Tasers which then means they become widespread"

Horrific, but predictable, incrementalism. It's the hallmark of this wretched government.

Do we really want every plod walking around being able to zap us, sometimes fatally, at will?

If this goes ahead:

I hope the police get the arse sued-off of them the first time they use it

And

Remember to punish Labour at the ballot box for it.



Posted by: Plobotsky on 12:56pm Sun 21 Jan 07
Vera Smart says "remember to punish Labour at the ballot box for it", but the people in favour of this are the SNP!
Posted by: Michael Campbell on 1:12pm Sun 21 Jan 07
Taser guns should be kept away from police especially Iain Latimer The Chief Constable of Northern Constabulary.He has already ben found guilty of chasing a poor lady at her house and shouting at her.If he had a Taser gun he could have used that as well.
Posted by: Plobotsky on 1:37pm Sun 21 Jan 07
Imagine - a police officer shouting at a member of the public! Shocking.
Posted by: fullbhuna, ayrshire on 7:13pm Thu 22 Mar 07
I am in full support of this option, if your doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about. every time this debate comes up everyone mentions the voltage but forget to mention it is a low, controlled ampage. Medical studies indicate that the effects from taser leaves no lasting effects. a police officer has a right to return to his family each and every day unassaulted, uninjured, the disrespect this country has for its police officers in the current climate of blame culture is pathetic.Assaults on all mebers of emergency services are increasing day by day.
A police officer does not expect nor deserve to be assaulted any more than any other proffesion
If this addition to their armoury increases the odds in favour of police ending a situation without lethal means or preventing the injury of either themself or some other innocent member of the publc then i commend the introduction of this piece of equipment.

Posted by: Bob Thornton, Staffordshire on 9:04am Sun 16 Sep 07
TASERS –As standard police issue.

I fully support the comments made regarding the deployment of Tasers to ALL police officers. They would provide an additional option to use in the fight against crime. Unfortunately, though, the world is full of do-gooders who are only to ready and willing to broadcast their opinions from behind the relative comfort and safety of an office desk, with little or no appreciation whatsoever of the difficult and increasingly violent situations that the police have to face on a daily basis. These officers are the duly appointed guardians of the common good, and as such, should be afforded WHATEVER MEANS NECESSARY to protect themselves and maintain Law and Order. There are risks inherent in every method of subjugation, and I am sure the decision to use Tasers won’t be taken lightly, but with a full and real acknowledgement of the potential dangers and consequences. Therefore, as long as the agreed protocols concerning the use of Tasers are rigidly adhered to, with full and adequate training, followed up by continuous “in service” assessment to maintain required skill levels, then they should be rolled out to every serving officer. This can only be a positive move in a society where criminals don’t give a second thought to using extreme violence to get what they want. This attitude needs to be met by an equally robust response of which the Taser, as part of an overall strategy, will play and important role.

Bob Thornton
Posted by: Bob Thornton, Stoke-On-Trent Staffordshire on 9:13pm Fri 21 Sep 07
I fully support the comments made regarding the deployment of Tasers to all police officers. They would provide an additional option to use in the fight against crime. Unfortunately, though, the world is full of do-gooders who are only to ready and willing to broadcast their opinions from behind the relative comfort and safety of an office desk, with little or no appreciation whatsoever of the difficult and increasingly violent situations that the police have to face on a daily basis. These officers are the duly appointed guardians of the common good, and as such, should be afforded whatever means necessary to protect themselves and maintain Law and Order. There are risks inherent in every method of subjugation, and I am sure the decision to use Tasers won’t be taken lightly, but with a full and real acknowledgement of the potential dangers and consequences. Therefore, as long as the agreed protocols concerning the use of Tasers are rigidly adhered to, with full and adequate training, followed up by continuous “in service” assessment to maintain required skill levels, then they should be rolled out to every serving officer. This can only be a positive move in a society where criminals don’t give a second thought to using extreme violence to get what they want. This attitude needs to be met by an equally robust response of which the Taser, as part of an overall strategy, will play and important role.

Bob Thornton
Basford.
Posted by: Robert Brown, Glasgow on 11:28pm Tue 6 May 08
To be perfectly honest all police officers should be issued with the taser guns.
But of course after intense training. I don't see why all the hyped up defence of criminals rights shoud be tolerated anymore like it has been for many years. And yes i'm in favour of all police officers carrying taser guns as part of there duty.
Posted by: Peter Dawson, Nottingham on 5:06am Thu 8 May 08
I don't see anything wrong with scottish police and UK police getting taser guns as part of there equipment.
The general public have nothing to fear only the criminals need to worry about them. Simple solution Don't be a criminal.
Posted by: mark, glasgow on 6:13pm Fri 30 May 08
I wouldn't give the police anything more than they have at the moment. As a teenager growing up in an apparently "rough" area of Glasgow, I always felt safe - until the police came around that is. A wee kick about with the ball turned into us being searched and more often than not verbally abused. The majority of beat bobbies are nothing more than thugs with a license. Their language and behaviour was a disgrace. Any police officer with half a brain is admitted to the accelarated promotion scheme which leaves the attitude girls and the macho guys walking our streets. I don't know if they behaved like that before they got into the police or if dealing with criminals made them behave like criminals but i'll never trust them.
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