McConnell faces internal coup as successors line up Alexander, Curran and Kerr ‘waiting in the wings’ JACK MCCONNELL'S job as Scottish Labour leader is under threat after it emerged three of his colleagues were being lined up as his successor.
MSPs Wendy Alexander,Margaret Curran and Andy Kerr are ready to replace McConnell if he resigns from his post. They are all waiting for the Motherwell and Wishaw MSP, who lost the Holyrood election to the SNP,to announce an exit strategy.
Labour MP Brian Donohoe has also entered the debate by saying that the home secretary,John Reid-who announced last week that he will leave his Cabinet post when Tony Blair quits office - should get McConnell's job.
The jockeying comes as senior Labour figures circle McConnell on the eve of a party summit in Edinburgh this week.
Several Labour figures told the Sunday Herald that they were waiting for McConnell to declare his intentions, by which they meant a departure date.
Of the three MSP contenders for the leadership,Alexander and Curran discussed their position with allies in the past few days.Alexander,whose botched bid for the top job in 2001 alienated sympathisers, called friends last week to talk about the future,while a source close to Curran said: "She's ruling nothing in and nothing out."
Curran's relations with McConnell were said to have worsened last week after the Labour leader stripped her of her role as the party's business manager.
She,like Kerr and Alexander, is understood to believe McConnell has a limited shelf-life as leader.But Kerr,a McConnell loyalist, has so far distanced himself from calls to replace his friend in the short-term.The Sunday Herald understands party figures want Kerr to tell McConnell his "time is up",an instruction the Labour leader would find difficult to ignore.
However, McConnell told his rivals yesterday that he intends to stay on as leader, despite losing to the SNP.
A source close to the first minister said: "There's no question of him resigning."
However, Labour insiders are concerned McConnell has not accepted his party's loss to the SNP, or even called Salmond to concede defeat. McConnell offered his congratulations to the SNP leader last week, but only in relation to Salmond being sworn in as an MSP.
Labour grievances are likely to be aired at an "away day" in Edinburgh this week, which has been pencilled in to take place after the parliament votes to install the nextfirstminister.WithSalmond expected to win the vote, McConnell could be put under pressure at the summit to outline his plans for the future.
Uncertainty about the Labour leader's position was given further credence by Ayrshire Central MP Donohoe, who said McConnell should be replaced by the home secretary, John Reid.
Donohoe, a Labour MP since 1992, said McConnell could stand down as MSP for Motherwell and Wishaw and make way for his Lanarkshire colleague.
"We should have a by-election in one of the MSP seats, and elect John into the Scottish parliament, and for him to become leader," he said.
The MP said the switch was being mulledoverbecauseReidwould "destroy" Salmond in the parliament.
"There is talk of it. It would sure fix the situation," he said.
However, it is unclear whether Reid is au fait with Donohoe's idea, and he issaid to be happy in London. Insiders say the rumours confirm the party is preparing for a post-McConnell era.
Kerr, Alexander and Curran could not be contacted last night.
An SNP spokesman said: "Now that it has dawned on the Labour Party in Scotland that they have lost this election, it seems they may also soon lose their leader."
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Posted by: Andrew, Renfrewshire on 11:36pm Sat 12 May 07
Has McConnell no shame? Irrespective of any illusions he may hold that he was the victim of an anti-Blair surge, the simple fact of the matter is that he and his executive had all the charisma and popularity of an NHS Health Board.
If Scottish Labour are to recover then they require someone with genuine ability. However, can the group of 46 Labour MSPs find that amongst them?
Labour is the victim of their being a British Party. Anyone with ability has went to Westminster, par example Gordon Brown, Douglas Alexander et al.
Seems Labour thought they could retain Scotland with a class of politician normally reserved for local councils. Sorry, but the Scottish people expect and deserve the best.
The only party with any remotely genuine political ability is the SNP which has reserved it's best for the Scottish Parliament. I say that now that Alex Salmond has returned after his shameful expedition down south. Well, I would have included the Tories but they can't get anyone elected by conventional means to Westminster.
Has McConnell no shame? Irrespective of any illusions he may hold that he was the victim of an anti-Blair surge, the simple fact of the matter is that he and his executive had all the charisma and popularity of an NHS Health Board.
If Scottish Labour are to recover then they require someone with genuine ability. However, can the group of 46 Labour MSPs find that amongst them?
Labour is the victim of their being a British Party. Anyone with ability has went to Westminster, par example Gordon Brown, Douglas Alexander et al.
Seems Labour thought they could retain Scotland with a class of politician normally reserved for local councils. Sorry, but the Scottish people expect and deserve the best.
The only party with any remotely genuine political ability is the SNP which has reserved it's best for the Scottish Parliament. I say that now that Alex Salmond has returned after his shameful expedition down south. Well, I would have included the Tories but they can't get anyone elected by conventional means to Westminster.
Posted by: Argentocoxus, Caledonia on 11:54pm Sat 12 May 07
Strathclyde Regional Council writ large and still in denial. You lost! Now go home and prepare for retirement.
Strathclyde Regional Council writ large and still in denial. You lost! Now go home and prepare for retirement.
Posted by: Ross McLean on 12:25am Sun 13 May 07
Brian Donohoe wants McConnell to atand down so Reid can stand and get into Holyrood? What extraordinary contempt for the voters! Constituencies are there to be served, not as convenient job-creation schemes for people in the Labour party who need a new job. That is exactly the kind of arrogance and taking voters for granted that lost them power in the first place. It seems they've learned nothing.
Brian Donohoe wants McConnell to atand down so Reid can stand and get into Holyrood? What extraordinary contempt for the voters! Constituencies are there to be served, not as convenient job-creation schemes for people in the Labour party who need a new job. That is exactly the kind of arrogance and taking voters for granted that lost them power in the first place. It seems they've learned nothing.
Posted by: Jason4queen, Ayrshire on 12:32am Sun 13 May 07
Andrew, Renfrewshire. Wrote.....
I say that now that Alex Salmond has returned after his shameful expedition down south.
Well, you forgot to mention any part of this story which has a rumour circulating that John Reid might be contemplating becoming an MSP.
At least the SNP could not say that he was running from London. Or something along that line.
But it would certainly create an extraordinay upsurge in Scottish Labours fortunes. And the SNP's.
If they are already tearing up their election pledges. Before the new parliament has begun. Can you imagine the size of Labours majority in 4 years.?
Forget coalition. It would be Labour in Majority.
Lets remember. The SNP won a lot of votes on " Kick Tony". And they will lose a lot more if they fail to attempt to bring in their promises.
Read the other S/H story which says they may be going to scrap their promise to the Students, or the promise to scrap the HATED COUNCIL TAX and replace it With the SNP POLL TAX. Or the promise to squash the New Labour Quango's. But then decide to keep the Health Board Quango's who decided to close our A+E's. (Closing our A+E's is a policy I totally disagree with.)
But I didnt promise to kick out the quango's and keep the A+E's open.
Roll on May 2011.
Andrew, Renfrewshire. Wrote.....
I say that now that Alex Salmond has returned after his shameful expedition down south.
Well, you forgot to mention any part of this story which has a rumour circulating that John Reid might be contemplating becoming an MSP.
At least the SNP could not say that he was running from London. Or something along that line.
But it would certainly create an extraordinay upsurge in Scottish Labours fortunes. And the SNP's.
If they are already tearing up their election pledges. Before the new parliament has begun. Can you imagine the size of Labours majority in 4 years.?
Forget coalition. It would be Labour in Majority.
Lets remember. The SNP won a lot of votes on " Kick Tony". And they will lose a lot more if they fail to attempt to bring in their promises.
Read the other S/H story which says they may be going to scrap their promise to the Students, or the promise to scrap the HATED COUNCIL TAX and replace it With the SNP POLL TAX. Or the promise to squash the New Labour Quango's. But then decide to keep the Health Board Quango's who decided to close our A+E's. (Closing our A+E's is a policy I totally disagree with.)
But I didnt promise to kick out the quango's and keep the A+E's open.
Roll on May 2011.
Posted by: Andrew, Renfrewshire on 12:34am Sun 13 May 07
[quote][bold]Ross McLean[/bold] wrote:
Brian Donohoe wants McConnell to atand down so Reid can stand and get into Holyrood? What extraordinary contempt for the voters! Constituencies are there to be served, not as convenient job-creation schemes for people in the Labour party who need a new job. That is exactly the kind of arrogance and taking voters for granted that lost them power in the first place. It seems they\'ve learned nothing.[/quote] Ross,
It's funny but that's exactly what I was thinking when I heard of Reid's "resignation".
He is new a Labour heavyweight and he has held high cabinet position. Therefore, to the media, he will have credibility.
(I'm scared to say he wont as he's Home Secretary and I've read 1984.)
However, Reid announces he wont serve in a UK cabinet when Blair resigns and just after Sir Jocular's defeat to Alex Salmond.
Coincidence? Methinks, maybe?
Ross McLean wrote:
Brian Donohoe wants McConnell to atand down so Reid can stand and get into Holyrood? What extraordinary contempt for the voters! Constituencies are there to be served, not as convenient job-creation schemes for people in the Labour party who need a new job. That is exactly the kind of arrogance and taking voters for granted that lost them power in the first place. It seems they\'ve learned nothing.
Ross,
It's funny but that's exactly what I was thinking when I heard of Reid's "resignation".
He is new a Labour heavyweight and he has held high cabinet position. Therefore, to the media, he will have credibility.
(I'm scared to say he wont as he's Home Secretary and I've read 1984.)
However, Reid announces he wont serve in a UK cabinet when Blair resigns and just after Sir Jocular's defeat to Alex Salmond.
Coincidence? Methinks, maybe?
Posted by: Jason4queen, Ayrshire on 12:38am Sun 13 May 07
Ross Mc Lean wrote:.
Brian Donohoe wants McConnell to atand down so Reid can stand and get into Holyrood? What extraordinary contempt for the voters! Constituencies are there to be served, not as convenient job-creation schemes for people in the Labour party who need a new job. That is exactly the kind of arrogance and taking voters for granted that lost them power in the first place. It seems they've learned nothing.
Hello.....
What about Alex Salmond?. He left Holyrood to work from London.
Oh yes. His excuse was he didn't want to upset John Swinney. He didn't want John Swinney worrying that his ex boss was watching when he was boss.
But he forgot a few facts.
William Hague stayed around after being in charge of the Tories, as did Ian Duncan Smith, and Michael Howard.
And now ofcourse, Tony Blair will stay until the next general election.
WHY?. To serve the constituents who voted for them.
So to claim that John Reid doing this would be unimaginable. Just look at you leader before commenting on ours.
Ross Mc Lean wrote:.
Brian Donohoe wants McConnell to atand down so Reid can stand and get into Holyrood? What extraordinary contempt for the voters! Constituencies are there to be served, not as convenient job-creation schemes for people in the Labour party who need a new job. That is exactly the kind of arrogance and taking voters for granted that lost them power in the first place. It seems they've learned nothing.
Hello.....
What about Alex Salmond?. He left Holyrood to work from London.
Oh yes. His excuse was he didn't want to upset John Swinney. He didn't want John Swinney worrying that his ex boss was watching when he was boss.
But he forgot a few facts.
William Hague stayed around after being in charge of the Tories, as did Ian Duncan Smith, and Michael Howard.
And now ofcourse, Tony Blair will stay until the next general election.
WHY?. To serve the constituents who voted for them.
So to claim that John Reid doing this would be unimaginable. Just look at you leader before commenting on ours.
Posted by: Jason4queen, Ayrshire on 12:52am Sun 13 May 07
Anyway, unlike the majority of SNP supporters who come here with foreign addresses. I am working later so I need to go off to bed. As I am earning my taxes which will help in a small way to pay for the policies.
I will not be able to reply to any comments until Later this evening. Do not get offended if I cannot defend myself.
Anyway, unlike the majority of SNP supporters who come here with foreign addresses. I am working later so I need to go off to bed. As I am earning my taxes which will help in a small way to pay for the policies.
I will not be able to reply to any comments until Later this evening. Do not get offended if I cannot defend myself.
Posted by: Colin R, Bearsden on 1:16am Sun 13 May 07
Labour won't listen - the post elections speeches/rhetoric of Pauline McNeil, Wendy ALexander, Margaret Curran, Bill Butler were highly embarrassing self righteous rants. Labour's lack of calibre is plain for all to see exam marking, water ownership, ferry tendering, Police / Crown office miscarriages of justice, project overspends, slow progress on initiatives are all embarrasing failures of Labour who keep bringing back failed ministers like Brankin, Chisholm etc which just highlight the point. The first batch of proven failures Boyd, Galbraith, Lord Watson are no loss but Margaret Curran has achieved nothing outside her cushy public sector/Labour goldfish bowl and the same can be said of McConnell, the ousted Alan Wilson ( very poorly qualified for the Enteprise Portfolio - full time union official), Cathy Jamieson etc. Frightening prospect!
Labour won't listen - the post elections speeches/rhetoric of Pauline McNeil, Wendy ALexander, Margaret Curran, Bill Butler were highly embarrassing self righteous rants. Labour's lack of calibre is plain for all to see exam marking, water ownership, ferry tendering, Police / Crown office miscarriages of justice, project overspends, slow progress on initiatives are all embarrasing failures of Labour who keep bringing back failed ministers like Brankin, Chisholm etc which just highlight the point. The first batch of proven failures Boyd, Galbraith, Lord Watson are no loss but Margaret Curran has achieved nothing outside her cushy public sector/Labour goldfish bowl and the same can be said of McConnell, the ousted Alan Wilson ( very poorly qualified for the Enteprise Portfolio - full time union official), Cathy Jamieson etc. Frightening prospect!
Posted by: Gregor Addison, Scotland on 1:21am Sun 13 May 07
Jason4queen,
Off to be sleepy head. There'll still be plenty of us nasty SNP folk here in the morning when you get up.
Jason4queen,
Off to be sleepy head. There'll still be plenty of us nasty SNP folk here in the morning when you get up.
Posted by: Jo, Glasgow on 1:49am Sun 13 May 07
Brian Donohoe is clearly unwell! John Reid? The one who has to date had nothing but contempt for the Scottish Parliament? The one who labelled us all traitors for opposing the war in Iraq? The one who nodded obediently to Tony's every requirement? The one who couldn't hack it at the Home Office, not even after off-loading much of his department? The one who actively promotes racism against and suspicion of all things Muslim? (The one whose nephew got caught carrying a knife the other week?) No thanks Brian, and as for Reid "destroying" Alex Salmond, I think you are wrong about that too. As for you Jason, one of these days maybe you will say something sensible (although I'm not hopeful).
Brian Donohoe is clearly unwell! John Reid? The one who has to date had nothing but contempt for the Scottish Parliament? The one who labelled us all traitors for opposing the war in Iraq? The one who nodded obediently to Tony's every requirement? The one who couldn't hack it at the Home Office, not even after off-loading much of his department? The one who actively promotes racism against and suspicion of all things Muslim? (The one whose nephew got caught carrying a knife the other week?) No thanks Brian, and as for Reid "destroying" Alex Salmond, I think you are wrong about that too. As for you Jason, one of these days maybe you will say something sensible (although I'm not hopeful).
Posted by: paul h, fife on 2:05am Sun 13 May 07
[bold]Labour are in big trouble.[/bold]
Labour are in big trouble. Posted by: iain aka annonymoose, glasgow and china on 4:26am Sun 13 May 07
Jason4queen in deepest Ayrshire. (and others alike throughout our brilliant nation)
Yes! I and other like me will be here when you rise from your slumbers. Its not that I am a rabid SNP supporter. I am Scottish through and through. I have for many years had to work in many parts of the world, war zones and 3rd world, because of various government policies and union activities whose policies decimated the industries that trained me and many other like me.
I have served the UK and the union, and it has dumped on me from a great height.
I am standing up to be counted for the Scotland I believe we can have and the Scottish people deserve, doing what I have to do, so that the people of Scotland can have what is their right, not told lies for over 25 years and told they can have a charity handout from Westminster.
Believe me, there is nothing I would be happier with than to be able to return to Scotland and work. Belated Stop Press..... Gordon’s windfall tax put paid to that.
Those who imply that those of us who work overseas don’t pay tax or NI, need to realize just how almost impossible it is not to pay tax at some level in the UK these days.
I do. I also choose to pay for private health, because my bank ballance and my work cannot wait for the NHS to treat me on its schedule. I paid full NI and where did it get me? I am paying all over again for a pension that was decimated by Labour / Brown. How does a hard saved pension which in 1997 was enough to comfortably retire on in 1997 at just 45, disappear in 3 short years, to not being enough to run a car by 2001. Not in that boat? Perhaps you'd see things differently if you were, and without a paddle.
That’s where my vote and political allegiance is not treated lightly, not given blindly because my parents and grand parents voted that way. I have eyes, ears and part of a brain left, enough to add 2 + 2 and not get Gordon’s answers.
I also find that those of us overseas who are not subjected to inane tabloids sound bite biased political reporting, have more of a handle on what is happening in UK politics and business.
How about a labour council spending 10’s of ‘000’s of pounds on self congratulatory posters and metal signs about how they are looking after the roads….. when that and other infrastructure is worse than many a developing country or a third world African nation. I speak from first hand experience.
I could rant on and on, but how about your version of utopia under Labour? How it has taken complete care of you. How you have been having a blissful life, with no bill worries, no house repairs, no problem paying at the till for the groceries or the kids clothes for the past 10 years.
Jason4queen in deepest Ayrshire. (and others alike throughout our brilliant nation)
Yes! I and other like me will be here when you rise from your slumbers. Its not that I am a rabid SNP supporter. I am Scottish through and through. I have for many years had to work in many parts of the world, war zones and 3rd world, because of various government policies and union activities whose policies decimated the industries that trained me and many other like me.
I have served the UK and the union, and it has dumped on me from a great height.
I am standing up to be counted for the Scotland I believe we can have and the Scottish people deserve, doing what I have to do, so that the people of Scotland can have what is their right, not told lies for over 25 years and told they can have a charity handout from Westminster.
Believe me, there is nothing I would be happier with than to be able to return to Scotland and work. Belated Stop Press..... Gordon’s windfall tax put paid to that.
Those who imply that those of us who work overseas don’t pay tax or NI, need to realize just how almost impossible it is not to pay tax at some level in the UK these days.
I do. I also choose to pay for private health, because my bank ballance and my work cannot wait for the NHS to treat me on its schedule. I paid full NI and where did it get me? I am paying all over again for a pension that was decimated by Labour / Brown. How does a hard saved pension which in 1997 was enough to comfortably retire on in 1997 at just 45, disappear in 3 short years, to not being enough to run a car by 2001. Not in that boat? Perhaps you'd see things differently if you were, and without a paddle.
That’s where my vote and political allegiance is not treated lightly, not given blindly because my parents and grand parents voted that way. I have eyes, ears and part of a brain left, enough to add 2 + 2 and not get Gordon’s answers.
I also find that those of us overseas who are not subjected to inane tabloids sound bite biased political reporting, have more of a handle on what is happening in UK politics and business.
How about a labour council spending 10’s of ‘000’s of pounds on self congratulatory posters and metal signs about how they are looking after the roads….. when that and other infrastructure is worse than many a developing country or a third world African nation. I speak from first hand experience.
I could rant on and on, but how about your version of utopia under Labour? How it has taken complete care of you. How you have been having a blissful life, with no bill worries, no house repairs, no problem paying at the till for the groceries or the kids clothes for the past 10 years.
Posted by: somerferg, oz(but still entitled to an opinion) on 5:40am Sun 13 May 07
Oh my goodness - the soor grapes are certainly flourishing well in my home turf of ayrshire. Me thinks a few of you socialist nutters are still a bit sore that that hawfwit Alan Wilson got a kicking (not before time). A slight clarification is required here me thinks (and I won't bother correcting your appalling garmmar). Alex Salmond went to Westminster to ensure that the SNP and more importantly Scotland had a strong voice in that old boys club because the other so called Scots representatives were incapable/unwilling to stand up for this country's best interests. It had NOTHING to do with looking over anybody's shoulders or anything else. Despite your snide and venom there is no denying he is the best leader Scotland is likely to have in a long time to come.
Oh my goodness - the soor grapes are certainly flourishing well in my home turf of ayrshire. Me thinks a few of you socialist nutters are still a bit sore that that hawfwit Alan Wilson got a kicking (not before time). A slight clarification is required here me thinks (and I won't bother correcting your appalling garmmar). Alex Salmond went to Westminster to ensure that the SNP and more importantly Scotland had a strong voice in that old boys club because the other so called Scots representatives were incapable/unwilling to stand up for this country's best interests. It had NOTHING to do with looking over anybody's shoulders or anything else. Despite your snide and venom there is no denying he is the best leader Scotland is likely to have in a long time to come.
Posted by: somerferg, OZ (still entitled to an opinion) on 5:44am Sun 13 May 07
P.S. How about you write some origin stuff Jason/Andrew/Assorted Labour numpties instead of just cut and pasting the same old tripe on every thread. Are you related to AM2 by any chance??
P.S. How about you write some origin stuff Jason/Andrew/Assorted Labour numpties instead of just cut and pasting the same old tripe on every thread. Are you related to AM2 by any chance??
Posted by: somerferg, OZ (still entitled to an opinion) on 5:45am Sun 13 May 07
[quote]
P.S. How about you write some original stuff Jason/Andrew/Assorted Labour numpties instead of just cut and pasting the same old tripe on every thread. Are you related to AM2 by any chance??[/quote]
See - its really annoying isn't it?
P.S. How about you write some original stuff Jason/Andrew/Assorted Labour numpties instead of just cut and pasting the same old tripe on every thread. Are you related to AM2 by any chance??
See - its really annoying isn't it?
Posted by: Gonyursel on 5:55am Sun 13 May 07
So Labour think the electorate will jump through a hoop to put Birder Guard reid into the Scottish parliament? The electorate have a bad record of doing this.Please call a by election and let the SNP hammer them into the ground.
So Labour think the electorate will jump through a hoop to put Birder Guard reid into the Scottish parliament? The electorate have a bad record of doing this.Please call a by election and let the SNP hammer them into the ground.
Posted by: donald anderson, glasgow on 6:28am Sun 13 May 07
Does it really matter which nunpty is in charge of the Ultra Unionait and reactionary Party?
Does it really matter which nunpty is in charge of the Ultra Unionait and reactionary Party?
Posted by: wonderwoman on 7:00am Sun 13 May 07
Jo, 1;49am.
[quote]Brian Donohoe is clearly unwell![/quote]
The whole Labour party is unwell - the unthinkable has happened and they've lost control of Scotland. They still probably think it's a temporary hiccup and they can fob Scotland off with a Westminster failure. It would explain Reid's "unexpected" decision to leave the UK cabinet. The thing I don't understand is why Brian Donohoe thinks that someone who couldn't cope with one Westminster department would be able to cope with the whole Scottish government.
Jo, 1;49am.
Brian Donohoe is clearly unwell!
The whole Labour party is unwell - the unthinkable has happened and they've lost control of Scotland. They still probably think it's a temporary hiccup and they can fob Scotland off with a Westminster failure. It would explain Reid's "unexpected" decision to leave the UK cabinet. The thing I don't understand is why Brian Donohoe thinks that someone who couldn't cope with one Westminster department would be able to cope with the whole Scottish government.
Posted by: Mark McCann, Leighton Buzzard on 7:47am Sun 13 May 07
To Ross McLean,
You commented previously that i am anti english, I live and work in England, my profession allows me to work anywhere but England for all its faults, is still a great country. Take a trip to the Spey Valley, walk into the shops, knock on the doors of the big hooses. Granted you'll find sassenachs there but the vast majority are English, why do you think the tories got so many votes in the Highlands? I'm not anti English, I am against this creeping clearance of the most beautiful part of our country.
To Ross McLean,
You commented previously that i am anti english, I live and work in England, my profession allows me to work anywhere but England for all its faults, is still a great country. Take a trip to the Spey Valley, walk into the shops, knock on the doors of the big hooses. Granted you'll find sassenachs there but the vast majority are English, why do you think the tories got so many votes in the Highlands? I'm not anti English, I am against this creeping clearance of the most beautiful part of our country.
Posted by: iang, Glasgow on 7:57am Sun 13 May 07
At the MOD Reid oversaw budget cuts which saw our troops going into the battlefield severely underequipped.
At the Home office his biggest achievement was to split it in 2 so he was not responsable for all the failures.
In General ha is a Blair apologist and has absolutely NO substance to him, the old saying "I would not cross the road to p!55 on him if he was on fire" comes to mind.
Alex Salmond would hammer him at holyrood as he knows exactly what he is reponsable for.
At the MOD Reid oversaw budget cuts which saw our troops going into the battlefield severely underequipped.
At the Home office his biggest achievement was to split it in 2 so he was not responsable for all the failures.
In General ha is a Blair apologist and has absolutely NO substance to him, the old saying "I would not cross the road to p!55 on him if he was on fire" comes to mind.
Alex Salmond would hammer him at holyrood as he knows exactly what he is reponsable for.
Posted by: Vronsky, This Planet on 8:06am Sun 13 May 07
My understanding has always been that Salmond was removed as leader becase of friction with the other MSPs. Salmond was unused to dealing with the larger group of people that the first parliament created, and referred only to a small clique of close associates (Ewings, et al). I was told that he would resign or be forced to resign about a year before the event.
I don't think all of the fault was Salmond's, as several of the disaffected MSPs concerned were vain egotists who would have trouble accepting any kind of authority, or any kind of responsibility. So Salmond's sojourn in Westminster was not really of his own choosing, being part sin-bin and part sulk.
I get very bored with witless Unionists trying to portray Salmon's time in London as some kind of betrayal, and just as bored with fellow Nats trying to argue it was something positive. I got into this politics business because I was fed up with our lives been ruled by lies, and the SNP at least seemed truthful. So above is the truth as I understand it. Not positive, not negative, just one of those messes that you sometimes get.
My understanding has always been that Salmond was removed as leader becase of friction with the other MSPs. Salmond was unused to dealing with the larger group of people that the first parliament created, and referred only to a small clique of close associates (Ewings, et al). I was told that he would resign or be forced to resign about a year before the event.
I don't think all of the fault was Salmond's, as several of the disaffected MSPs concerned were vain egotists who would have trouble accepting any kind of authority, or any kind of responsibility. So Salmond's sojourn in Westminster was not really of his own choosing, being part sin-bin and part sulk.
I get very bored with witless Unionists trying to portray Salmon's time in London as some kind of betrayal, and just as bored with fellow Nats trying to argue it was something positive. I got into this politics business because I was fed up with our lives been ruled by lies, and the SNP at least seemed truthful. So above is the truth as I understand it. Not positive, not negative, just one of those messes that you sometimes get.
Posted by: John J, Edinburgh on 8:53am Sun 13 May 07
John Reid has never held any post long enough to have to answer for the policy changes he made when appointed. His latest Home Office appointment has resulted in a split which will take years to evaluate and he'll be gone before then !
John Reid has never held any post long enough to have to answer for the policy changes he made when appointed. His latest Home Office appointment has resulted in a split which will take years to evaluate and he'll be gone before then !
Posted by: Fergus Ewingii, On the edge on 9:00am Sun 13 May 07
Brian Donohue unwell?
Brain dead would be a better description/
Brian Donohue unwell?
Brain dead would be a better description/
Posted by: BM, Glasgow on 9:02am Sun 13 May 07
Wendy Alexander gets my vote. That we we would never have to worry about a New Labour comeback. Her brother who screwed up the election would be even better - he would totally anihilate this obnoxious party once and for all.
Wendy Alexander gets my vote. That we we would never have to worry about a New Labour comeback. Her brother who screwed up the election would be even better - he would totally anihilate this obnoxious party once and for all.
Posted by: Miles Better, Glasgow is not on 9:07am Sun 13 May 07
Wendy gets my vote.
Close - but surely gets on everyones goat,
Wendy gets my vote.
Close - but surely gets on everyones goat,
Posted by: glasgowLOST, Glasgow on 9:13am Sun 13 May 07
Oh, my hopes were raised when I saw the title of this story... only to realise it was just about daft wee Jack! I thought it was about his wife and the people of Glasgow had come to their senses to get rid of the clown who orchestrated the theft of Glasgow's assets... there's still time to get rid of them both though!
[bold]www.glasgowlost.org[/bold]
gL.
Oh, my hopes were raised when I saw the title of this story... only to realise it was just about daft wee Jack! I thought it was about his wife and the people of Glasgow had come to their senses to get rid of the clown who orchestrated the theft of Glasgow's assets... there's still time to get rid of them both though!
www.glasgowlost.org
gL.
Posted by: OscarMacApfel, Dumbfreaks and Galloway on 9:34am Sun 13 May 07
John Reid, John Reid, the name rings a bell, oh yes, isn't he the chap that Henry Mcleish told eveyone and an agreeing Helen Liddell, via an open microphone that he thought Reid, "a patronising b*stard"?
Now if there were any credence to this story, wouldn't Reid have to wait four years to find a suitable seat or perhaps Jack is ready to fall on his sword and ride off with Bridget into the sunset and let John "Not the fuc*ing NHS" Reid take his seat in a byebye-election. I hear Kirsty's casa is available most of the year...
John Reid, John Reid, the name rings a bell, oh yes, isn't he the chap that Henry Mcleish told eveyone and an agreeing Helen Liddell, via an open microphone that he thought Reid, "a patronising b*stard"?
Now if there were any credence to this story, wouldn't Reid have to wait four years to find a suitable seat or perhaps Jack is ready to fall on his sword and ride off with Bridget into the sunset and let John "Not the fuc*ing NHS" Reid take his seat in a byebye-election. I hear Kirsty's casa is available most of the year...
Posted by: Argentocoxus, Caledonia on 9:42am Sun 13 May 07
Jason4queen
Oot yer Patna bed yet princess? Notice the sun has not fallen out of the sky, the rivers have not dried up and that plague of locusts promised pre 3rd May has not happened.
But there is one other thing you may now be ready to notice (unlike Jack McDonnell) - the SNP won, Labour lost.
Here's a question for you. What is the subject of ex-Communist John Reid's doctorate? To save you time searching (for it is difficult to find), let me tell you it is about [italic]aristocratic warlords coping with the transition from the slave trade to palm oil production in 19th century Dahomey[/italic] .
Now that sounds like the kind of knowledge that NuLabour needs in Joke McDonnell's pigsties of Ayrshire and Lanarkshire.
Jason4queen
Oot yer Patna bed yet princess? Notice the sun has not fallen out of the sky, the rivers have not dried up and that plague of locusts promised pre 3rd May has not happened.
But there is one other thing you may now be ready to notice (unlike Jack McDonnell) - the SNP won, Labour lost.
Here's a question for you. What is the subject of ex-Communist John Reid's doctorate? To save you time searching (for it is difficult to find), let me tell you it is about
aristocratic warlords coping with the transition from the slave trade to palm oil production in 19th century Dahomey .
Now that sounds like the kind of knowledge that NuLabour needs in Joke McDonnell's pigsties of Ayrshire and Lanarkshire.
Posted by: Iain, Renfrewshire on 9:47am Sun 13 May 07
Andrew , Renfrewshire said "Anyone with ability has went to Westminster......."
In Heavens name Andrew , what school did you go to?
Andy Kerr on BBC Radio Scotland at 7.40am on 4th May came out with "Something has went wrong" twice in a couple of minutes.
Can we have some literacy on here PLEASE!
Andrew , Renfrewshire said "Anyone with ability has went to Westminster......."
In Heavens name Andrew , what school did you go to?
Andy Kerr on BBC Radio Scotland at 7.40am on 4th May came out with "Something has went wrong" twice in a couple of minutes.
Can we have some literacy on here PLEASE!
Posted by: LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS, west coast on 10:00am Sun 13 May 07
Heir McConnell like Blair has delusions of grandeur.He also like Blair has done as much to alienate former Labour supporters as any labour leader.
His arrogance that somehow he still represents the aspirations of the vast majority of Scots shows how deluded he is.
Our group know more than ANYONE in Scotland what McConnell has been heading.The fascist conduct of the legal mobsters in Scotland that have been fully supported by his henchman at the Scottish executive and that have caused enormous harm to the families caught up in CRIMINAL collusion that McConnell condoned and had years of opportunity to stop the tyranny .But instead backed the crooks who have used and abused their monopoly to destroy peoples lives.
For anyone unfamiliar or not fully aware what is going on in Scotland ,the ruthless use of Scottish laws to destroy Scots lives while stealing all their assets and homes has been the MARK of McConnell.
NONE OF THIS if ever gets into the media due to the hold the system has on its coverage.However our group among others have caused sufficient heat to force them at least to do something about it culminating in them finally bringing the monopoly to an end after 16 years of failing to enact legislation that would have stopped those monopoly powers at a stroke.
McConnell effectively allowed the monopoly powers of a corrupt civil legal system to fleece Scots on a GRAND SCALE.He had ALL the evidence time and again identified by many of the victims but allowed the system to continue unabated.
The cost of the Scottish Parliament pales by comparison to this multi billion pound fraud against Scottish citizens.We will continue to DEMAND from the new Scottish adminstration where all the LAND,BUSINESS and PROPERTIES repossessed by CROOKS have ended up?
We DEMAND from Salmond a review of all our cases and compensation for the millions we have lost.The SNP sat in opposition during the evidence gathering of all this criminal activity yet DID NOTHING and that they better
change with urgency .They should have as ONE of their top priorities the resolution of our greivances in relation to how our lives have been taken from us by corrupt practices of those who should know better.
We demand an investigation also into the land registry in Scotland who have aided and abetted the transfer of land through criminal conspiracy when many of the victims had no proper due process. We also demand to know why so few Scots get civil TRIAL BY JURY alllowing despots to make decisions heavily weighted in favour of those who control our courts and to the great disadvantage of all the victims dragged through those courts for many many years.
Much of the legal costs picked up by another criminal organisation SCOTLANDS LEGAL AID BOARD who are behind much of the property theft.
We also demand to know if ANY MSP's have purchased Scottish properties repossessed from the many thousands of victims at knock down prices to ensure they continue their part in the blatant disregard of their constituents loss of livelyhood who have been made homeless,bankrupt and penniless thanks to those corrupt courts.
ALL OF THIS while McConnell was in charge of Scotland.Is it any wonder NEW labour has been proven to be a MASSIVE fraud against Scotland and its people and that McConnell is in fact a plant for the establishment who head the control and distribution of so much of Scotlands stolen properties and land.
He cannot justify any of this with vast amounts of evidence provided at hearings which got little media attention and providing a smokescreen to perpetrate this fraud for much longer than it should have.
The SNP can be assured that this plundering of Scotlands people WILL NOT continue as we have the proof they failed to act to safeguard us all from the tyrannical and despotic conduct of those charged with ensuring JUSTICE in our courts.
That is so far from the TRUTH
LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS
http://www.ljpr.info
Heir McConnell like Blair has delusions of grandeur.He also like Blair has done as much to alienate former Labour supporters as any labour leader.
His arrogance that somehow he still represents the aspirations of the vast majority of Scots shows how deluded he is.
Our group know more than ANYONE in Scotland what McConnell has been heading.The fascist conduct of the legal mobsters in Scotland that have been fully supported by his henchman at the Scottish executive and that have caused enormous harm to the families caught up in CRIMINAL collusion that McConnell condoned and had years of opportunity to stop the tyranny .But instead backed the crooks who have used and abused their monopoly to destroy peoples lives.
For anyone unfamiliar or not fully aware what is going on in Scotland ,the ruthless use of Scottish laws to destroy Scots lives while stealing all their assets and homes has been the MARK of McConnell.
NONE OF THIS if ever gets into the media due to the hold the system has on its coverage.However our group among others have caused sufficient heat to force them at least to do something about it culminating in them finally bringing the monopoly to an end after 16 years of failing to enact legislation that would have stopped those monopoly powers at a stroke.
McConnell effectively allowed the monopoly powers of a corrupt civil legal system to fleece Scots on a GRAND SCALE.He had ALL the evidence time and again identified by many of the victims but allowed the system to continue unabated.
The cost of the Scottish Parliament pales by comparison to this multi billion pound fraud against Scottish citizens.We will continue to DEMAND from the new Scottish adminstration where all the LAND,BUSINESS and PROPERTIES repossessed by CROOKS have ended up?
We DEMAND from Salmond a review of all our cases and compensation for the millions we have lost.The SNP sat in opposition during the evidence gathering of all this criminal activity yet DID NOTHING and that they better
change with urgency .They should have as ONE of their top priorities the resolution of our greivances in relation to how our lives have been taken from us by corrupt practices of those who should know better.
We demand an investigation also into the land registry in Scotland who have aided and abetted the transfer of land through criminal conspiracy when many of the victims had no proper due process. We also demand to know why so few Scots get civil TRIAL BY JURY alllowing despots to make decisions heavily weighted in favour of those who control our courts and to the great disadvantage of all the victims dragged through those courts for many many years.
Much of the legal costs picked up by another criminal organisation SCOTLANDS LEGAL AID BOARD who are behind much of the property theft.
We also demand to know if ANY MSP's have purchased Scottish properties repossessed from the many thousands of victims at knock down prices to ensure they continue their part in the blatant disregard of their constituents loss of livelyhood who have been made homeless,bankrupt and penniless thanks to those corrupt courts.
ALL OF THIS while McConnell was in charge of Scotland.Is it any wonder NEW labour has been proven to be a MASSIVE fraud against Scotland and its people and that McConnell is in fact a plant for the establishment who head the control and distribution of so much of Scotlands stolen properties and land.
He cannot justify any of this with vast amounts of evidence provided at hearings which got little media attention and providing a smokescreen to perpetrate this fraud for much longer than it should have.
The SNP can be assured that this plundering of Scotlands people WILL NOT continue as we have the proof they failed to act to safeguard us all from the tyrannical and despotic conduct of those charged with ensuring JUSTICE in our courts.
That is so far from the TRUTH
LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS
http://www.ljpr.info
Posted by: Solus, www.myspace.com/solus_sui_juris on 10:23am Sun 13 May 07
[quote]Lets remember. The SNP won a lot of votes on " Kick Tony". And they will lose a lot more if they fail to attempt to bring in their promises.
Read the other S/H story which says they may be going to scrap their promise to the Students, or the promise to scrap the HATED COUNCIL TAX and replace it With the SNP POLL TAX. Or the promise to squash the New Labour Quango's. But then decide to keep the Health Board Quango's who decided to close our A+E's. (Closing our A+E's is a policy I totally disagree with.)
But I didnt promise to kick out the quango's and keep the A+E's open.[/quote]
Once again you fail to acknowledge the informal Lab/Lib/Tory blocthat has emerged to ensure the Scottish people are being lumped with a Parliament of 'ya-boo conflict' all because they voted for the one party with their interests at heart. It is a shocking perversion of democracy and I can already see the Unionist spin forming from your posts as they will blame the SNP but conveniently forget that a democratic party refused to even sit around a table to help the Scottish people meet a basic requirement of good governance. The Unionists have shown themselves for what they are and whose interests they have at heart. They are self-serving and are only interested only in the Union first and foremost as the Union is the mechanism by which they can keep their grubby hands on power.
Lets remember. The SNP won a lot of votes on " Kick Tony". And they will lose a lot more if they fail to attempt to bring in their promises.
Read the other S/H story which says they may be going to scrap their promise to the Students, or the promise to scrap the HATED COUNCIL TAX and replace it With the SNP POLL TAX. Or the promise to squash the New Labour Quango's. But then decide to keep the Health Board Quango's who decided to close our A+E's. (Closing our A+E's is a policy I totally disagree with.)
But I didnt promise to kick out the quango's and keep the A+E's open.
Once again you fail to acknowledge the informal Lab/Lib/Tory blocthat has emerged to ensure the Scottish people are being lumped with a Parliament of 'ya-boo conflict' all because they voted for the one party with their interests at heart. It is a shocking perversion of democracy and I can already see the Unionist spin forming from your posts as they will blame the SNP but conveniently forget that a democratic party refused to even sit around a table to help the Scottish people meet a basic requirement of good governance. The Unionists have shown themselves for what they are and whose interests they have at heart. They are self-serving and are only interested only in the Union first and foremost as the Union is the mechanism by which they can keep their grubby hands on power.
Posted by: Mark, Edinburgh on 10:46am Sun 13 May 07
LJPR (Looney Jokey Pathetic Rants). So many DEMANDS - so little chance of anyone taking you seriously. If your "group" has so much to put right, why didn't you put up 129 candidates at the election, and ask the people of Scotland to support you?
On a more serious note, yes it is time for McConnell to go, it is just a pity he has lost the opportunity to go gracefully. He will now be remembered for his petulance and state of denial at the unthinkable idea of having to take his snout out of the trough.
LJPR (Looney Jokey Pathetic Rants). So many DEMANDS - so little chance of anyone taking you seriously. If your "group" has so much to put right, why didn't you put up 129 candidates at the election, and ask the people of Scotland to support you?
On a more serious note, yes it is time for McConnell to go, it is just a pity he has lost the opportunity to go gracefully. He will now be remembered for his petulance and state of denial at the unthinkable idea of having to take his snout out of the trough.
Posted by: Jossman, Ayrshire on 11:09am Sun 13 May 07
No need for anyone to worry, as there is not a vacancy for leader of the Scottish Labour Party. Wee Jack has refused to accept defeat and for good reason as there is a plan to keep him as First Minister irrespective of what the Scottish people might want. Did anyone notice Gordon saying he would use talent irrespective of where it came from? Code to say that Ming is getting a ministerial post as reward for Libdems not supporting SNP in coalition. Then on Wednesday, at least four [italic]naughty[/italic] Libdems will vote against their so called party policy and support Wee Jack for First Minister. I could be wrong but I suspect this is the reason that there are no removal vans at Bute House.
No need for anyone to worry, as there is not a vacancy for leader of the Scottish Labour Party. Wee Jack has refused to accept defeat and for good reason as there is a plan to keep him as First Minister irrespective of what the Scottish people might want. Did anyone notice Gordon saying he would use talent irrespective of where it came from? Code to say that Ming is getting a ministerial post as reward for Libdems not supporting SNP in coalition. Then on Wednesday, at least four
naughty Libdems will vote against their so called party policy and support Wee Jack for First Minister. I could be wrong but I suspect this is the reason that there are no removal vans at Bute House.
Posted by: Tom R on 11:10am Sun 13 May 07
Unlike Alex Salmond who produced an enormous swing in his favour with his victory at Gordon, John Reid would be pushed to win at all if he were to fight a by-election at Motherwell and Wishaw. I don't believe he would have the bottle to try :-)
Unlike Alex Salmond who produced an enormous swing in his favour with his victory at Gordon, John Reid would be pushed to win at all if he were to fight a by-election at Motherwell and Wishaw. I don't believe he would have the bottle to try :-)
Posted by: Iain on 11:28am Sun 13 May 07
Please Please Please let it be Margaret Curran. That would kill off the Labour Party forever.
Please Please Please let it be Margaret Curran. That would kill off the Labour Party forever.
Posted by: Derick fae Yell, Scotland back in the World on 11:30am Sun 13 May 07
off topic but I see turnout in the Icelandic General Election has collapsed to 82% - down from 87% last time.
But then they don't have the Unionist Numptocracy bringing them down, every single day.
off topic but I see turnout in the Icelandic General Election has collapsed to 82% - down from 87% last time.
But then they don't have the Unionist Numptocracy bringing them down, every single day.
Posted by: Iain on 11:34am Sun 13 May 07
John Reid is going to destroy the SNP is he? How will he do that? Join them?
He probably wants to spend as much time as he can in his (now marginal) constutuency trying to rustle up as many votes he can ahead of the UK elections.
John Reid is going to destroy the SNP is he? How will he do that? Join them?
He probably wants to spend as much time as he can in his (now marginal) constutuency trying to rustle up as many votes he can ahead of the UK elections.
Posted by: george paterson, Inverurie on 11:42am Sun 13 May 07
I thought that with his pseudonym "Jason4queen" he may reside in that Unionist stronghold, Kilwinning.Has he seen the devastation NOT yet addressed by Holyrood or Westmonster? The open wounds are there for all to see and Labour devotees should be ashamed that the politicians they have supported for decades did little to force changes through. Like our cheery, chirpy "I want the House of Lords abolished", Lord George Foulkes! And he's been voted into Holyrood! What fools can New/Scottish Labour voters really be? Jason4queen gleefully rejoices at the prospects of an early return of these morons!
I thought that with his pseudonym "Jason4queen" he may reside in that Unionist stronghold, Kilwinning.Has he seen the devastation NOT yet addressed by Holyrood or Westmonster? The open wounds are there for all to see and Labour devotees should be ashamed that the politicians they have supported for decades did little to force changes through. Like our cheery, chirpy "I want the House of Lords abolished", Lord George Foulkes! And he's been voted into Holyrood! What fools can New/Scottish Labour voters really be? Jason4queen gleefully rejoices at the prospects of an early return of these morons!
Posted by: Ron, Just down the road on 12:13pm Sun 13 May 07
# LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS
Purely out of curiosity.....could someone please explain what the above rant was all about?
# LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS
Purely out of curiosity.....could someone please explain what the above rant was all about?
Posted by: RETIRED....... but still switched on, Fed Up To The Teeth on 12:40pm Sun 13 May 07
[quote][bold]Jason4queen[/bold] wrote:
Anyway, unlike the majority of SNP supporters who come here with foreign addresses. I am working later so I need to go off to bed. As I am earning my taxes which will help in a small way to pay for the policies. I will not be able to reply to any comments until Later this evening. Do not get offended if I cannot defend myself.[/quote]
Oh.we won't be offended Jason...dinna worry son......you just get off tae work and leave us a' in peace/
I don't suppose ye fancy workin' overtime at a', at a' ?????
Jist GO AWAY !!!
Jason4queen wrote:
Anyway, unlike the majority of SNP supporters who come here with foreign addresses. I am working later so I need to go off to bed. As I am earning my taxes which will help in a small way to pay for the policies. I will not be able to reply to any comments until Later this evening. Do not get offended if I cannot defend myself.
Oh.we won't be offended Jason...dinna worry son......you just get off tae work and leave us a' in peace/
I don't suppose ye fancy workin' overtime at a', at a' ?????
Jist GO AWAY !!!
Posted by: David el escocés, Málaga on 1:11pm Sun 13 May 07
[quote][bold]Jossman[/bold] wrote:
No need for anyone to worry, as there is not a vacancy for leader of the Scottish Labour Party. Wee Jack has refused to accept defeat and for good reason as there is a plan to keep him as First Minister irrespective of what the Scottish people might want. Did anyone notice Gordon saying he would use talent irrespective of where it came from? Code to say that Ming is getting a ministerial post as reward for Libdems not supporting SNP in coalition. Then on Wednesday, at least four [italic]naughty[/italic] Libdems will vote against their so called party policy and support Wee Jack for First Minister. I could be wrong but I suspect this is the reason that there are no removal vans at Bute House.[/quote] Agree with all of this. J McC still in denial. I know this is an old one, but worth repeating.
ELECTION RESULTS:
When you rearrange these letters:
LIES - LET'S RECOUNT
Jossman wrote:
No need for anyone to worry, as there is not a vacancy for leader of the Scottish Labour Party. Wee Jack has refused to accept defeat and for good reason as there is a plan to keep him as First Minister irrespective of what the Scottish people might want. Did anyone notice Gordon saying he would use talent irrespective of where it came from? Code to say that Ming is getting a ministerial post as reward for Libdems not supporting SNP in coalition. Then on Wednesday, at least four naughty Libdems will vote against their so called party policy and support Wee Jack for First Minister. I could be wrong but I suspect this is the reason that there are no removal vans at Bute House.
Agree with all of this. J McC still in denial. I know this is an old one, but worth repeating.
ELECTION RESULTS:
When you rearrange these letters:
LIES - LET'S RECOUNT
Posted by: Anonymong, behind the scenes on 1:15pm Sun 13 May 07
Kerr, Curran and Alexander had all been manoeuvring for McConnell's position well before the election as I'm sure most political journalists in Scotland knew but decided not to report.
None of them are particularly inspiring but I'm hoping for Curran as she is the very definition of the turgid yet arrogant West of Scotland Labour Party hack who cannot see beyond the end of her own nose let alone provide any kind of big picture political leadership. She would be a disaster for Labour and a blessing for Scotland.
Kerr, Curran and Alexander had all been manoeuvring for McConnell's position well before the election as I'm sure most political journalists in Scotland knew but decided not to report.
None of them are particularly inspiring but I'm hoping for Curran as she is the very definition of the turgid yet arrogant West of Scotland Labour Party hack who cannot see beyond the end of her own nose let alone provide any kind of big picture political leadership. She would be a disaster for Labour and a blessing for Scotland.
Posted by: Argentocoxus, Caledonia on 1:38pm Sun 13 May 07
There is no chance that John Reid would move to McConnell's pigsty Motherwell when you learn a little more about his background. This from the Mail on Sunday, 18th February, 2001:-
[italic]"Cabinet Minister John Reid is sharing a £1.2million house which was bought with cash from an offshore company set up in a secretive Caribbean tax haven.
The home, just yards from the House of Commons, was bought by Dr Reid's partner Carine Adler in a complex deal by a firm registered in the British Virgin Islands.
Dr Reid, appointed Northern Ireland Secretary after the resignation of Peter Mandelson, is living in the house with the attractive 52-year-old divorcee, who has won awards for sexually explicit art house films.
The purchase of the building using an offshore fund contravenes the spirit of Chancellor Gordon Brown's opposition to tax avoidance schemes and will be politically embarrassing to one of Tony Blair's most trusted Ministers."[/italic]
Today that house is probably valued at £2.279 million. Nice work for an ex-Commie living off immoral earnings.
There is no chance that John Reid would move to McConnell's pigsty Motherwell when you learn a little more about his background. This from the Mail on Sunday, 18th February, 2001:-
"Cabinet Minister John Reid is sharing a £1.2million house which was bought with cash from an offshore company set up in a secretive Caribbean tax haven.
The home, just yards from the House of Commons, was bought by Dr Reid's partner Carine Adler in a complex deal by a firm registered in the British Virgin Islands.
Dr Reid, appointed Northern Ireland Secretary after the resignation of Peter Mandelson, is living in the house with the attractive 52-year-old divorcee, who has won awards for sexually explicit art house films.
The purchase of the building using an offshore fund contravenes the spirit of Chancellor Gordon Brown's opposition to tax avoidance schemes and will be politically embarrassing to one of Tony Blair's most trusted Ministers."
Today that house is probably valued at £2.279 million. Nice work for an ex-Commie living off immoral earnings.
Posted by: Gitano, London on 3:42pm Sun 13 May 07
I wish the people who run this site would try and make it a bit more legible!
I wish the people who run this site would try and make it a bit more legible!
Posted by: LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS, west coast on 4:25pm Sun 13 May 07
Typical lawyer/secret society trolls on this forum with their usual snide remarks as their ONLY alternative to the truth of what they are getting up to.
When they know that you know what they know lol they go down that same well worn mentally deficient road.They always go for the LOWEST common denominator and is used often in courts to back up the crooked organisations they are par of.But they CANNOT ever shut that down now.
LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS
http://www.ljpr.info
Typical lawyer/secret society trolls on this forum with their usual snide remarks as their ONLY alternative to the truth of what they are getting up to.
When they know that you know what they know lol they go down that same well worn mentally deficient road.They always go for the LOWEST common denominator and is used often in courts to back up the crooked organisations they are par of.But they CANNOT ever shut that down now.
LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS
http://www.ljpr.info
Posted by: LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS, west coast on 4:39pm Sun 13 May 07
Hey Marky boy(LITTLE LEGAL TROLL FOR THE LAW SOCIETY)
If you were CLEVER enough to work out that to put up candidates for election requires, due to the anti democratic system in Scotland, large amounts of cash .
Only the parties funded by millionaires have any hope in hell of breaking through the sinister system of fraud and corruption that is disguised as some sort of SCOTTISH democracy.WHICH IT IS NOT.
Many of our group are ONLY interested in EXPOSING what the politicians are busy doing behind the scenes while telling a pack of lies to get voted in.
ALL of the MSP's ,most of Scotland have been forced to vote for ,have been turning a blind eye to massive land and property theft, disguised as Scots law ,but in fact consists of a kangaroo court that is nothing short of criminal collusion with NO trial by jury .
We dont have the EGO's or the finances to get involved in the seedy and murky world that produces a trough for all the crooked pigs to eat of off.We just have POWER in numbers to back up the LIES these politicians spin to get into power.
We are letting them know the victims of their corruption are alive and kicking and have the VAST knowledge to ensure they wont be getting away with it any longer.
JUST SO YOU KNOW YOU
evidence here
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/business/committees/historic/justice1/inquiries-02/just1-lps-index.htm
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/business/committees/justice2/inquiries/lpla/j2-lpla-evid.htm
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/business/committees/justice2/reports-06/j2r06-11-Vol01-00.htm
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/business/committees/justice2/reports-06/j2r06-11-Vol02-00.htm
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/business/committees/justice2/or-06/j206-1502.htm#Col2430
Hey Marky boy(LITTLE LEGAL TROLL FOR THE LAW SOCIETY)
If you were CLEVER enough to work out that to put up candidates for election requires, due to the anti democratic system in Scotland, large amounts of cash .
Only the parties funded by millionaires have any hope in hell of breaking through the sinister system of fraud and corruption that is disguised as some sort of SCOTTISH democracy.WHICH IT IS NOT.
Many of our group are ONLY interested in EXPOSING what the politicians are busy doing behind the scenes while telling a pack of lies to get voted in.
ALL of the MSP's ,most of Scotland have been forced to vote for ,have been turning a blind eye to massive land and property theft, disguised as Scots law ,but in fact consists of a kangaroo court that is nothing short of criminal collusion with NO trial by jury .
We dont have the EGO's or the finances to get involved in the seedy and murky world that produces a trough for all the crooked pigs to eat of off.We just have POWER in numbers to back up the LIES these politicians spin to get into power.
We are letting them know the victims of their corruption are alive and kicking and have the VAST knowledge to ensure they wont be getting away with it any longer.
JUST SO YOU KNOW YOU
evidence here
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/business/committees/historic/justice1/inquiries-02/just1-lps-index.htm
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/business/committees/justice2/inquiries/lpla/j2-lpla-evid.htm
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/business/committees/justice2/reports-06/j2r06-11-Vol01-00.htm
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/business/committees/justice2/reports-06/j2r06-11-Vol02-00.htm
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/business/committees/justice2/or-06/j206-1502.htm#Col2430
Posted by: LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS, west coast on 4:39pm Sun 13 May 07
Hey Marky boy(LITTLE LEGAL TROLL FOR THE LAW SOCIETY)
If you were CLEVER enough to work out that to put up candidates for election requires, due to the anti democratic system in Scotland, large amounts of cash .
Only the parties funded by millionaires have any hope in hell of breaking through the sinister system of fraud and corruption that is disguised as some sort of SCOTTISH democracy.WHICH IT IS NOT.
Many of our group are ONLY interested in EXPOSING what the politicians are busy doing behind the scenes while telling a pack of lies to get voted in.
ALL of the MSP's ,most of Scotland have been forced to vote for ,have been turning a blind eye to massive land and property theft, disguised as Scots law ,but in fact consists of a kangaroo court that is nothing short of criminal collusion with NO trial by jury .
We dont have the EGO's or the finances to get involved in the seedy and murky world that produces a trough for all the crooked pigs to eat of off.We just have POWER in numbers to back up the LIES these politicians spin to get into power.
We are letting them know the victims of their corruption are alive and kicking and have the VAST knowledge to ensure they wont be getting away with it any longer.
JUST SO YOU KNOW YOU
evidence here
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/business/committees/historic/justice1/inquiries-02/just1-lps-index.htm
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/business/committees/justice2/inquiries/lpla/j2-lpla-evid.htm
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/business/committees/justice2/reports-06/j2r06-11-Vol01-00.htm
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/business/committees/justice2/reports-06/j2r06-11-Vol02-00.htm
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/business/committees/justice2/or-06/j206-1502.htm#Col2430
Hey Marky boy(LITTLE LEGAL TROLL FOR THE LAW SOCIETY)
If you were CLEVER enough to work out that to put up candidates for election requires, due to the anti democratic system in Scotland, large amounts of cash .
Only the parties funded by millionaires have any hope in hell of breaking through the sinister system of fraud and corruption that is disguised as some sort of SCOTTISH democracy.WHICH IT IS NOT.
Many of our group are ONLY interested in EXPOSING what the politicians are busy doing behind the scenes while telling a pack of lies to get voted in.
ALL of the MSP's ,most of Scotland have been forced to vote for ,have been turning a blind eye to massive land and property theft, disguised as Scots law ,but in fact consists of a kangaroo court that is nothing short of criminal collusion with NO trial by jury .
We dont have the EGO's or the finances to get involved in the seedy and murky world that produces a trough for all the crooked pigs to eat of off.We just have POWER in numbers to back up the LIES these politicians spin to get into power.
We are letting them know the victims of their corruption are alive and kicking and have the VAST knowledge to ensure they wont be getting away with it any longer.
JUST SO YOU KNOW YOU
evidence here
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/business/committees/historic/justice1/inquiries-02/just1-lps-index.htm
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/business/committees/justice2/inquiries/lpla/j2-lpla-evid.htm
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/business/committees/justice2/reports-06/j2r06-11-Vol01-00.htm
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/business/committees/justice2/reports-06/j2r06-11-Vol02-00.htm
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/business/committees/justice2/or-06/j206-1502.htm#Col2430
Posted by: David el escocés, Málaga on 5:16pm Sun 13 May 07
Argentocoxus wrote Here's a question for you. What is the subject of ex-Communist John Reid's doctorate? To save you time searching (for it is difficult to find), let me tell you...[bold]it is about aristocratic warlords coping with the transition from the slave trade to palm oil production in 19th century Dahomey .[/bold]
So Reid is not a PHD...he's a PHUD.
Argentocoxus wrote Here's a question for you. What is the subject of ex-Communist John Reid's doctorate? To save you time searching (for it is difficult to find), let me tell you...
it is about aristocratic warlords coping with the transition from the slave trade to palm oil production in 19th century Dahomey .
So Reid is not a PHD...he's a PHUD.
Posted by: Argentocoxus, Caledonia on 5:22pm Sun 13 May 07
Nice one David el escoces @ 5:16pm! It's reassuring to know the thought police software cannae filter oot the guid Scots leid. Nae need fur Asterix the Gaul, eh?
Nice one David el escoces @ 5:16pm! It's reassuring to know the thought police software cannae filter oot the guid Scots leid. Nae need fur Asterix the Gaul, eh?
Posted by: David el escocés, Málaga on 5:33pm Sun 13 May 07
[quote][bold]Argentocoxus[/bold] wrote:
Nice one David el escoces @ 5:16pm! It's reassuring to know the thought police software cannae filter oot the guid Scots leid. Nae need fur Asterix the Gaul, eh?[/quote] As I've said before, the thought police (surely an oxymoron...like military intelligence) didn't stop my SCUNTHORPE.
Argentocoxus wrote:
Nice one David el escoces @ 5:16pm! It's reassuring to know the thought police software cannae filter oot the guid Scots leid. Nae need fur Asterix the Gaul, eh?
As I've said before, the thought police (surely an oxymoron...like military intelligence) didn't stop my SCUNTHORPE.
Posted by: Alan, Glasgow on 5:43pm Sun 13 May 07
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Ross McLean[/bold] wrote: Brian Donohoe wants McConnell to atand down so Reid can stand and get into Holyrood? What extraordinary contempt for the voters! Constituencies are there to be served, not as convenient job-creation schemes for people in the Labour party who need a new job. That is exactly the kind of arrogance and taking voters for granted that lost them power in the first place. It seems they\'ve learned nothing.[/quote] Ross, It's funny but that's exactly what I was thinking when I heard of Reid's "resignation". He is new a Labour heavyweight and he has held high cabinet position. Therefore, to the media, he will have credibility. (I'm scared to say he wont as he's Home Secretary and I've read 1984.) However, Reid announces he wont serve in a UK cabinet when Blair resigns and just after Sir Jocular's defeat to Alex Salmond. Coincidence? Methinks, maybe?[/quote] It won't happpen....Brown and Reid hate each other, and as we all know the Scottish Labour Leader has to do what the boss in London tells him. Can't see Reid letting Brown push him around like he did McConnell
Andrew wrote:
Ross McLean wrote: Brian Donohoe wants McConnell to atand down so Reid can stand and get into Holyrood? What extraordinary contempt for the voters! Constituencies are there to be served, not as convenient job-creation schemes for people in the Labour party who need a new job. That is exactly the kind of arrogance and taking voters for granted that lost them power in the first place. It seems they\'ve learned nothing.
Ross, It's funny but that's exactly what I was thinking when I heard of Reid's "resignation". He is new a Labour heavyweight and he has held high cabinet position. Therefore, to the media, he will have credibility. (I'm scared to say he wont as he's Home Secretary and I've read 1984.) However, Reid announces he wont serve in a UK cabinet when Blair resigns and just after Sir Jocular's defeat to Alex Salmond. Coincidence? Methinks, maybe?
It won't happpen....Brown and Reid hate each other, and as we all know the Scottish Labour Leader has to do what the boss in London tells him. Can't see Reid letting Brown push him around like he did McConnell
Posted by: Jigger, ayr on 6:34pm Sun 13 May 07
If Wee Wendy gets to be Labour leader will Holyrood employ translators so the rest of us can understand what the f*ck she says?
If Wee Wendy gets to be Labour leader will Holyrood employ translators so the rest of us can understand what the f*ck she says?
Posted by: Jigger, ayr on 6:35pm Sun 13 May 07
If Wee Wendy gets to be Labour leader will Holyrood employ translators so the rest of us can understand what the f*ck she says?
If Wee Wendy gets to be Labour leader will Holyrood employ translators so the rest of us can understand what the f*ck she says?
Posted by: Jigger, ayr on 6:35pm Sun 13 May 07
If Wee Wendy gets to be Labour leader will Holyrood employ translators so the rest of us can understand what the f*ck she says?
If Wee Wendy gets to be Labour leader will Holyrood employ translators so the rest of us can understand what the f*ck she says?
Posted by: Jason4queen, Ayrshire on 9:02pm Sun 13 May 07
LJPR. You wrote you could not put up candidates due to the cash deposits required to stand.
The deposits are a little steep for small parties, but how did the other parties manage it this year and every other year.
Those idiots the SSP, even managed without their old GOD, Tommy. Then there was the other parties on my ballot paper who obviously did not have Brian Soutar and Sean Connery bankrolling them. Yes. Big money is an advantage, just read the 2 names above.
But to claim it stopped you putting up candidates when other could seems a bit weird.
perhaps you could explain how these other parties attempted the impossible.
I know you are well read. So I would be interested to here why you feel this way.
LJPR. You wrote you could not put up candidates due to the cash deposits required to stand.
The deposits are a little steep for small parties, but how did the other parties manage it this year and every other year.
Those idiots the SSP, even managed without their old GOD, Tommy. Then there was the other parties on my ballot paper who obviously did not have Brian Soutar and Sean Connery bankrolling them. Yes. Big money is an advantage, just read the 2 names above.
But to claim it stopped you putting up candidates when other could seems a bit weird.
perhaps you could explain how these other parties attempted the impossible.
I know you are well read. So I would be interested to here why you feel this way.
Posted by: Jason4queen, Ayrshire on 9:12pm Sun 13 May 07
Retired................
Do you travel by bus?. If so please can you wear a symbol to show me who you are when Im travelling in Ayr. I want to make sure I leave you at the bus stop.
p.s
To think you would come on here and attempt to say I was a shelf stacker, as though the men and women who pack shelves are below you, just shows how immature you are.
I actually appreciate the shelf stackers in the Tesco, or Asda. Im sure many other people appreciate the workers in our society who do the lower paid jobs.
Infact some of them are the Students your party promised to wipe out any debts. But now before the parliament starts. An SNP insider claims that policy may be scrapped. You better hope the shelf stackers dont give up their extra job to pay for their studies.
Think before you press send. You silly old fool.
p.s
You did not deny being Brian Blessed.
Retired................
Do you travel by bus?. If so please can you wear a symbol to show me who you are when Im travelling in Ayr. I want to make sure I leave you at the bus stop.
p.s
To think you would come on here and attempt to say I was a shelf stacker, as though the men and women who pack shelves are below you, just shows how immature you are.
I actually appreciate the shelf stackers in the Tesco, or Asda. Im sure many other people appreciate the workers in our society who do the lower paid jobs.
Infact some of them are the Students your party promised to wipe out any debts. But now before the parliament starts. An SNP insider claims that policy may be scrapped. You better hope the shelf stackers dont give up their extra job to pay for their studies.
Think before you press send. You silly old fool.
p.s
You did not deny being Brian Blessed.
Posted by: David Alexander, The affshore on 9:31pm Sun 13 May 07
I'd be VERY disappointed if Gnasher Reid wasn't able to circumvent the electoral process to be parachuted into Scottish politics to save us all from the nasty SNP.
I'd be VERY disappointed if Gnasher Reid wasn't able to circumvent the electoral process to be parachuted into Scottish politics to save us all from the nasty SNP.
Posted by: David Alexander on 9:36pm Sun 13 May 07
Jason4Queen
Have you considered why the SNP may have to scrap their student debt policy?
Any ideas at all?
Jason4Queen
Have you considered why the SNP may have to scrap their student debt policy?
Any ideas at all?
Posted by: Jason4queen, Ayrshire on 11:18pm Sun 13 May 07
David Alexander.
I always thought it was unachievable because of the money involved.
The £1bn mentioned would be better spent on Primary Schools, or Secondary Schools.
Afterall. The students will earn far greater earnings with degrees behind them.
Lets get more school pupils up to minimum standard first.
David Alexander.
I always thought it was unachievable because of the money involved.
The £1bn mentioned would be better spent on Primary Schools, or Secondary Schools.
Afterall. The students will earn far greater earnings with degrees behind them.
Lets get more school pupils up to minimum standard first.
Posted by: David Alexander on 7:05am Mon 14 May 07
Jason
£1bn? That could go towards replacing Trident.
Jason
£1bn? That could go towards replacing Trident.
Posted by: George Laird, Glasgow on 6:18pm Tue 15 May 07
[quote][bold]Jason4queen[/bold] wrote:
Andrew, Renfrewshire. Wrote..... I say that now that Alex Salmond has returned after his shameful expedition down south. Well, you forgot to mention any part of this story which has a rumour circulating that John Reid might be contemplating becoming an MSP. At least the SNP could not say that he was running from London. Or something along that line. But it would certainly create an extraordinay upsurge in Scottish Labours fortunes. And the SNP's. If they are already tearing up their election pledges. Before the new parliament has begun. Can you imagine the size of Labours majority in 4 years.? Forget coalition. It would be Labour in Majority. Lets remember. The SNP won a lot of votes on " Kick Tony". And they will lose a lot more if they fail to attempt to bring in their promises. Read the other S/H story which says they may be going to scrap their promise to the Students, or the promise to scrap the HATED COUNCIL TAX and replace it With the SNP POLL TAX. Or the promise to squash the New Labour Quango's. But then decide to keep the Health Board Quango's who decided to close our A+E's. (Closing our A+E's is a policy I totally disagree with.) But I didnt promise to kick out the quango's and keep the A+E's open. Roll on May 2011. [/quote] Dear Jason4queen
"Well, you forgot to mention any part of this story which has a rumour circulating that John Reid might be contemplating becoming an MSP."
Too late Jason election over.
Do you seriously think an ex drunk communist who could hold down a job for any length of time in government represents a threat?
"Can you imagine the size of Labours majority in 4 years.?"
If the SNP opens up the books and goes on a corruption probe I would expect New Labour to do even worse than now.
"It would be Labour in Majority."
Silly talk from a silly man with a daft login name.
"Lets remember. The SNP won a lot of votes on " Kick Tony".
That's your version, Truth is people were sick of New Labour Scotland.
As to A & E, it should be remember that New Labour stabbed the ordinary people in the back, it was a Labour decision to close them.
New Labour are complete trash.
Yours sincerely
George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glagow University
Jason4queen wrote:
Andrew, Renfrewshire. Wrote..... I say that now that Alex Salmond has returned after his shameful expedition down south. Well, you forgot to mention any part of this story which has a rumour circulating that John Reid might be contemplating becoming an MSP. At least the SNP could not say that he was running from London. Or something along that line. But it would certainly create an extraordinay upsurge in Scottish Labours fortunes. And the SNP's. If they are already tearing up their election pledges. Before the new parliament has begun. Can you imagine the size of Labours majority in 4 years.? Forget coalition. It would be Labour in Majority. Lets remember. The SNP won a lot of votes on " Kick Tony". And they will lose a lot more if they fail to attempt to bring in their promises. Read the other S/H story which says they may be going to scrap their promise to the Students, or the promise to scrap the HATED COUNCIL TAX and replace it With the SNP POLL TAX. Or the promise to squash the New Labour Quango's. But then decide to keep the Health Board Quango's who decided to close our A+E's. (Closing our A+E's is a policy I totally disagree with.) But I didnt promise to kick out the quango's and keep the A+E's open. Roll on May 2011.
Dear Jason4queen
"Well, you forgot to mention any part of this story which has a rumour circulating that John Reid might be contemplating becoming an MSP."
Too late Jason election over.
Do you seriously think an ex drunk communist who could hold down a job for any length of time in government represents a threat?
"Can you imagine the size of Labours majority in 4 years.?"
If the SNP opens up the books and goes on a corruption probe I would expect New Labour to do even worse than now.
"It would be Labour in Majority."
Silly talk from a silly man with a daft login name.
"Lets remember. The SNP won a lot of votes on " Kick Tony".
That's your version, Truth is people were sick of New Labour Scotland.
As to A & E, it should be remember that New Labour stabbed the ordinary people in the back, it was a Labour decision to close them.
New Labour are complete trash.
Yours sincerely
George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glagow University
Posted by: RETIRED....... but still switched on, Fed Up To The Teeth on 8:44pm Sat 19 May 07
[quote][bold]Jason4queen[/bold] wrote:
Retired................ Do you travel by bus?. If so please can you wear a symbol to show me who you are when Im travelling in Ayr. I want to make sure I leave you at the bus stop. p.s To think you would come on here and attempt to say I was a shelf stacker, as though the men and women who pack shelves are below you, just shows how immature you are. I actually appreciate the shelf stackers in the Tesco, or Asda. Im sure many other people appreciate the workers in our society who do the lower paid jobs. Infact some of them are the Students your party promised to wipe out any debts. But now before the parliament starts. An SNP insider claims that policy may be scrapped. You better hope the shelf stackers dont give up their extra job to pay for their studies. Think before you press send. You silly old fool. p.s You did not deny being Brian Blessed.[/quote] JASON$QUEEN
Firstly, I'm NOT Brian Blessed
Secondly, I'm 33yrs old
Thirdly, Ironically,I'm a major shareholder in a bus company
Fourthly, I have been a shelf stacker at one time in my student days.......(and I wasn't looking down my nose...but I was suggesting that you were in a job that you weren't UP TO, my dear girl !!)
...and FINALLY.....I'll be happy to let you know who I am, if only in order to show you that real people don't need to prance around slagging off everyone with a different political opinion and produce the most nauseating fatuous website ever designed by ANY other inmate of your institutional home.....mind you ...if you come from Patna...that's the place wi' the wooden curtains isn't it??...you won't be hard to recognise will you...skint knuckles trailin' the ground etc.
Get a Life and GO AWAY you buffoon, yer totally embarrassin'..hae some respect fur yer puir parents seeing you prancin' aboot these posts !!! YERRA DISGRACE !!!...an' as fur drivin' a bus...Aye Right....prancin' up an' doon the sterrs is merr your style izzit no'???? Well, at least YOU'LL no' be hard tae recognise when I dae come oan yer bus,Eh Hen !!
Jason4queen wrote:
Retired................ Do you travel by bus?. If so please can you wear a symbol to show me who you are when Im travelling in Ayr. I want to make sure I leave you at the bus stop. p.s To think you would come on here and attempt to say I was a shelf stacker, as though the men and women who pack shelves are below you, just shows how immature you are. I actually appreciate the shelf stackers in the Tesco, or Asda. Im sure many other people appreciate the workers in our society who do the lower paid jobs. Infact some of them are the Students your party promised to wipe out any debts. But now before the parliament starts. An SNP insider claims that policy may be scrapped. You better hope the shelf stackers dont give up their extra job to pay for their studies. Think before you press send. You silly old fool. p.s You did not deny being Brian Blessed.
JASON$QUEEN
Firstly, I'm NOT Brian Blessed
Secondly, I'm 33yrs old
Thirdly, Ironically,I'm a major shareholder in a bus company
Fourthly, I have been a shelf stacker at one time in my student days.......(and I wasn't looking down my nose...but I was suggesting that you were in a job that you weren't UP TO, my dear girl !!)
...and FINALLY.....I'll be happy to let you know who I am, if only in order to show you that real people don't need to prance around slagging off everyone with a different political opinion and produce the most nauseating fatuous website ever designed by ANY other inmate of your institutional home.....mind you ...if you come from Patna...that's the place wi' the wooden curtains isn't it??...you won't be hard to recognise will you...skint knuckles trailin' the ground etc.
Get a Life and GO AWAY you buffoon, yer totally embarrassin'..hae some respect fur yer puir parents seeing you prancin' aboot these posts !!! YERRA DISGRACE !!!...an' as fur drivin' a bus...Aye Right....prancin' up an' doon the sterrs is merr your style izzit no'???? Well, at least YOU'LL no' be hard tae recognise when I dae come oan yer bus,Eh Hen !!
Posted by: RETIRED....... but still switched on, Fed Up To The Teeth on 8:51pm Sat 19 May 07
[quote][bold]george paterson[/bold] wrote:
I thought that with his pseudonym "Jason4queen" he may reside in that Unionist stronghold, Kilwinning.Has he seen the devastation NOT yet addressed by Holyrood or Westmonster? The open wounds are there for all to see and Labour devotees should be ashamed that the politicians they have supported for decades did little to force changes through. Like our cheery, chirpy "I want the House of Lords abolished", Lord George Foulkes! And he's been voted into Holyrood! What fools can New/Scottish Labour voters really be? Jason4queen gleefully rejoices at the prospects of an early return of these morons! [/quote] GEORGE
"Jason4Queen" and "moron" do sit most happily in the same sentence don't they !!!!!
george paterson wrote:
I thought that with his pseudonym "Jason4queen" he may reside in that Unionist stronghold, Kilwinning.Has he seen the devastation NOT yet addressed by Holyrood or Westmonster? The open wounds are there for all to see and Labour devotees should be ashamed that the politicians they have supported for decades did little to force changes through. Like our cheery, chirpy "I want the House of Lords abolished", Lord George Foulkes! And he's been voted into Holyrood! What fools can New/Scottish Labour voters really be? Jason4queen gleefully rejoices at the prospects of an early return of these morons!
GEORGE
"Jason4Queen" and "moron" do sit most happily in the same sentence don't they !!!!!
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