Salmond to demand a ‘Scottish Six’ and call for broadcasting to be devolved First minister to meet TV chiefs to discuss plans THE FIRST minister, Alex Salmond, is planning a summit with the BBC where he will demand a separate six o'clock news programme for Scotland and an increased share of broadcasting resources.
The SNP leader will also announce a new commission this week to look at the future of broadcasting north of the Border, which he hopes will lead to control of television being devolved to Holyrood.
His call for autonomy has been strengthened by former BBC director-general Greg Dyke backing a so-called "Scottish Six". Dyke also told the Sunday Herald that former Labour Cabinet member John Reid had urged him not to axe the UK news show in Scotland.
Salmond's thoughts on public service broadcasting will be outlined in a speech on Wednesday at the National Museum of Scotland in Edinburgh.
The speech comes in the wake of a recent report published by Ofcom, the industry regulator, in which it was revealed that the BBC, ITV, Channel 4 and Five had reduced the amount spent on productions in Scotland.
The BBC's network spend north of the Border was found to have dropped from 7% to 4%, while ITV's Scottish share had fallen from 3% to 2%. These figures have prompted Salmond, who believes the BBC has neglected Scotland, to kick-start a "national debate" on the subject.
On the network's commitment to Scotland, the first minister will say: "I've been told the target for the industry is to have 9% of the network budgets spent here in Scotland - well, that'll do for a start, but we should regard that as a floor and not as a ceiling.
"It's just not acceptable that networks which purport to serve the whole of the UK should marginalise the creative community in Scotland."
Salmond's speech, which will also call for broadcasting to be devolved to MSPs, will confirm his intention to meet television chiefs to discuss his plans.
The first minister is to request meetings with, among others, ITV boss Michael Grade and BBC director-general Mark Thompson, both of whom will be urged to "reverse" what Salmond regards as the "steep decline" in programmes made in Scotland, as well as calling on the BBC to introduce a separate six o'clock news report.
He will say: "I will be speaking to the BBC and the other television networks about what we can do to ensure that they're getting the right kind of talent and ideas from Scotland."
Salmond will also use his speech to announce the creation of a commission on the future of broadcasting.
A source close to Salmond added: "It is supposed to be the British Broadcasting Corporation, not the English Broadcasting Corporation. The Ofcom figures are very worrying."
Salmond's call for further devolution has been echoed by former BBC director-general Greg Dyke, who told the Sunday Herald he was sympathetic to calls for a Scottish Six.
"I increasingly came to the view that there was an argument for a Scottish Six, because I think those powers devolved to Holyrood, such as health and education, were covered on the national news in a way that wasn't applicable to Scotland. I could increasingly see the problem with broadcasting and devolution," he said.
He also said Labour had been divided on the subject of the Scottish Six when he was at the BBC: "What was interesting was the split between Scottish Labour MPs and the Labour Party in Scotland. I remember John Reid lobbying me very hard against it."
However, opposition parties at Holyrood are likely to feel Salmond's speech is another attempted power grab from Westminster.
His minority administration is committed to introducing a white paper on independence this month, while at the same time being relaxed about wresting powers from Westminster on a case-by-case basis.
A spokesman for Salmond said: "The first minister will deliver a wide-ranging speech on broadcasting in Scotland, on both its central role in our democracy and also the cultural and economic benefits of our creative industries."
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Posted by: Jason, Dumfries on 10:23pm Sat 4 Aug 07
What a waste of taxpayers money..........So what you gonna do about Border TV - scrap that as well as it dares to mention England- you little Scotlander???? Im sorry but I dont want to be subjected to a 6 o'clock Glasgow news every night.
What a waste of taxpayers money..........So what you gonna do about Border TV - scrap that as well as it dares to mention England- you little Scotlander???? Im sorry but I dont want to be subjected to a 6 o'clock Glasgow news every night.
Posted by: Plobotsky on 10:38pm Sat 4 Aug 07
"That's except for viewers in Scotland, who have their own programme."
http://www.youtube.c
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"That's except for viewers in Scotland, who have their own programme."
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=k7scMC7YS
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Posted by: Seumas on 10:52pm Sat 4 Aug 07
Just recently the BBC Trust agreed that that the proposed dedicated Gaelic channel for Scotland should take a step closer towards realisation. It looks as though this channel will be up and running by next year, and this channel will have substantial benefits for all the people of Scotland. It would be possible to use the expertise in the Gaelic media sector to help produce and run a nightly Scottish news programme.
Just recently the BBC Trust agreed that that the proposed dedicated Gaelic channel for Scotland should take a step closer towards realisation. It looks as though this channel will be up and running by next year, and this channel will have substantial benefits for all the people of Scotland. It would be possible to use the expertise in the Gaelic media sector to help produce and run a nightly Scottish news programme.
Posted by: trenator, Glasgow on 11:01pm Sat 4 Aug 07
Jason, are you happier with a London&south east 6’oclock news every night then?
Jason, are you happier with a London&south east 6’oclock news every night then?
Posted by: Arthur on 11:10pm Sat 4 Aug 07
At least we'll have Sky to keep us in touch with the outside world!
At least we'll have Sky to keep us in touch with the outside world!
Posted by: Plobotsky on 11:13pm Sat 4 Aug 07
This is the Six O Clock News, for viewers in Scotland.
A Paisley man got a skelf in his finger yesterday following an earthquake or something, somewhere abroad. Scottish Executive Health Spokesman Nicola Sturgeon today demanded a public enquiry.
Sir Sean Connery, at one of his homes overseas, is reported to be poorly with a cold in the head. More on this story from our showbiz correspondent.
And so on, and so on, while everyone who can switches over to BBC News 24.
This is the Six O Clock News, for viewers in Scotland.
A Paisley man got a skelf in his finger yesterday following an earthquake or something, somewhere abroad. Scottish Executive Health Spokesman Nicola Sturgeon today demanded a public enquiry.
Sir Sean Connery, at one of his homes overseas, is reported to be poorly with a cold in the head. More on this story from our showbiz correspondent.
And so on, and so on, while everyone who can switches over to BBC News 24.
Posted by: Help! on 11:13pm Sat 4 Aug 07
I think I'll move to England if this lasts much longer. What have the Scottish people done?
When do we get a chance to oust President Salmond? Do we really have to wait until 2011? [sigh]
I think I'll move to England if this lasts much longer. What have the Scottish people done?
When do we get a chance to oust President Salmond? Do we really have to wait until 2011?
Posted by: Arthur on 11:15pm Sat 4 Aug 07
I hear you Plobotsky!
Posted by: Juliet Harding, Glasgow on 11:18pm Sat 4 Aug 07
The Scottish 6 is a good idea if it has full use of the BBC's worldwide reporters.
The current Reporting Scotland and Scotland today programmes are like news from the broomcupboard! I would like to see a Scottish 6 anchored by Sally Magnusson and Jackie Bird as that David guy is dreadful.
The Scottish 6 is a good idea if it has full use of the BBC's worldwide reporters.
The current Reporting Scotland and Scotland today programmes are like news from the broomcupboard! I would like to see a Scottish 6 anchored by Sally Magnusson and Jackie Bird as that David guy is dreadful.
Posted by: Jason4queen, Ayrshire on 11:23pm Sat 4 Aug 07
What is the point of this?.
Surely we have a Scottish news programme. It just starts 30 minutes later. Or is Alec down the Bookies watching the later races by then?. Maybe thats why he is getting in such a strop. He doesnt realise there already is a Scottish News.
But perhaps more should be spent on other Scottish programmes. As for the 6 O'clock news, I dont understand why it is such an issue. Perhaps an Alec fan will explain.
What is the point of this?.
Surely we have a Scottish news programme. It just starts 30 minutes later. Or is Alec down the Bookies watching the later races by then?. Maybe thats why he is getting in such a strop. He doesnt realise there already is a Scottish News.
But perhaps more should be spent on other Scottish programmes. As for the 6 O'clock news, I dont understand why it is such an issue. Perhaps an Alec fan will explain.
Posted by: HelpMaBoab, Glasgow on 11:30pm Sat 4 Aug 07
Oh Jeus Oh!! I think that Jason and Gary are missing the point. So much news that comes out of London doesn't apply in Scotland. What would you rather have a 10 min report on new English education policy or a 10 min report on new Scottish education policy?? I’m not saying we shouldn’t know about English stories but let's face the facts the so called national news doesn't give Scotland a fair deal. A Scottish produced news programme would be able mention English news stories but with a sense of proportion and by giving more prominence to Scottish ones especially those that are Political. I’d rather see Brian Taylor’s braces that Nick Robinson’s specs.
Oh Jeus Oh!! I think that Jason and Gary are missing the point. So much news that comes out of London doesn't apply in Scotland. What would you rather have a 10 min report on new English education policy or a 10 min report on new Scottish education policy?? I’m not saying we shouldn’t know about English stories but let's face the facts the so called national news doesn't give Scotland a fair deal. A Scottish produced news programme would be able mention English news stories but with a sense of proportion and by giving more prominence to Scottish ones especially those that are Political. I’d rather see Brian Taylor’s braces that Nick Robinson’s specs.
Posted by: Harry Potter on 11:38pm Sat 4 Aug 07
I much prefer the main, Uk-wide BBC six o'clock news. Come on, who doesn't like Hugh Edward's Elvis-like mouth? It cracks me up every time.
On a more serious note, I am concerned this might be a sign of things to come if Scotland becomes independent. Are we really going to be that parochial? In a world of interdependence, when the world is getting smaller, it is more important than ever to expand our horizons and look beyond our borders.
Help!, at 11:13pm: I think I'll join you on the train down to England, lol. If I didn't laugh, I would cry.
I much prefer the main, Uk-wide BBC six o'clock news. Come on, who doesn't like Hugh Edward's Elvis-like mouth? It cracks me up every time.
On a more serious note, I am concerned this might be a sign of things to come if Scotland becomes independent. Are we really going to be that parochial? In a world of interdependence, when the world is getting smaller, it is more important than ever to expand our horizons and look beyond our borders.
Help!, at 11:13pm: I think I'll join you on the train down to England, lol. If I didn't laugh, I would cry.
Posted by: Tom McAlister on 11:44pm Sat 4 Aug 07
[bold]Dyke also told the Sunday Herald that the former Labour Cabinet member John Reid had urged him not to axe the UK news show in Scotland.
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Remember the explanations from Labour heid yins on the quirky behavior of Prescott? It's john being John says they. Well, what's Reid's excuse?
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He's jist dae'in whit he's telt tae dae.
Aye,an that's about the truth of it.
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Dyke also told the Sunday Herald that the former Labour Cabinet member John Reid had urged him not to axe the UK news show in Scotland.
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Remember the explanations from Labour heid yins on the quirky behavior of Prescott? It's john being John says they. Well, what's Reid's excuse?
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He's jist dae'in whit he's telt tae dae.
Aye,an that's about the truth of it.
. Posted by: Darryl Matheson, Elgin, Morayshire on 11:48pm Sat 4 Aug 07
Salmond proobly would prefer a Scottish Six because he realises that BBC Scotlad is now so biased towards the SNP that having a "Scottish Six" would be to his advantage.
What is wrong with the current setup the only diffrence would be the whole hour would be presented by Scottish people and would probobly involve hiring tens of new reporters for the programe, [bold]nothing but a waste of taxpayers money.[/bold]
Salmond proobly would prefer a Scottish Six because he realises that BBC Scotlad is now so biased towards the SNP that having a "Scottish Six" would be to his advantage.
What is wrong with the current setup the only diffrence would be the whole hour would be presented by Scottish people and would probobly involve hiring tens of new reporters for the programe,
nothing but a waste of taxpayers money. Posted by: danilo, Italy on 11:57pm Sat 4 Aug 07
It is amazing to see how many Scottish people want a small Scotland.. however, this is not a surprise to me as Scottish are famous to feel inferior to the English and the comments at this article show exactly that Scotland will always be a small country as it is populated by small people who are feeling and act as inferior the English!!!! I were Salmond I would not waste my time and energies with small brains as most of Scottish people are and I will instead go to England where I could achieve something as the Scottish like to be depressed and feeling sorry for themselves
It is amazing to see how many Scottish people want a small Scotland.. however, this is not a surprise to me as Scottish are famous to feel inferior to the English and the comments at this article show exactly that Scotland will always be a small country as it is populated by small people who are feeling and act as inferior the English!!!! I were Salmond I would not waste my time and energies with small brains as most of Scottish people are and I will instead go to England where I could achieve something as the Scottish like to be depressed and feeling sorry for themselves
Posted by: Red_Mosquito, East Kilbride on Sun 5 Aug 07
I take it the people posting on here in regard to a 'Scottish Six' being parochial have never hear Radio Scotlands news coverage. Radio Scotlands news covers Scottish, UK and international news very well, I see no reason why BBC Scotlands T.V coverage would be any different.
The network news pays no heed to Scottish news and the Scottish news does not wish to duplicate/has no remit to cover International or UK wide news.
It astounds me that people can claim that news from a Scottish perspective will somehow be more parochial than UK network news. Seems the old chip supper still has a home on many, many shoulders here.
I take it the people posting on here in regard to a 'Scottish Six' being parochial have never hear Radio Scotlands news coverage. Radio Scotlands news covers Scottish, UK and international news very well, I see no reason why BBC Scotlands T.V coverage would be any different.
The network news pays no heed to Scottish news and the Scottish news does not wish to duplicate/has no remit to cover International or UK wide news.
It astounds me that people can claim that news from a Scottish perspective will somehow be more parochial than UK network news. Seems the old chip supper still has a home on many, many shoulders here.
Posted by: Scamp, Centre for Mischief Making on 12:02am Sun 5 Aug 07
Depends on the quality of the programme.. If it turns out to be an extended "fitbah and murdah" show then it will turn a lot of people off.
If on the other hand it includes some sensible reporting on business and economic issues then personally I'd welcome it because both these are very much under reported in Scotland.
I'd also like to see wider sport reporting than simply football.. Shinty is rarely covered and neither is Scottish motorsport.
Depends on the quality of the programme.. If it turns out to be an extended "fitbah and murdah" show then it will turn a lot of people off.
If on the other hand it includes some sensible reporting on business and economic issues then personally I'd welcome it because both these are very much under reported in Scotland.
I'd also like to see wider sport reporting than simply football.. Shinty is rarely covered and neither is Scottish motorsport.
Posted by: MacShimmy on 12:10am Sun 5 Aug 07
OH the small minded unionists, the little traveled, and the ignorant of the rest of the world!!!
London is but one centre of the news world, but it is the centre of England and the south east, as is easily seen on BBC news as it stands.
That said, the BBC has morphed itself into a much superior version of CNN over the last few years and should not be taken lightly. There is absolutely not reason why world news can not be included within a Scottish six.
Live in Canada as I did. American news is everywhere, on Canadian as well as American channels. There are even a small proportion of Canadians who prefer American news and watch that too. Most Canadians watch CBC and ITV which provides- you guessed it American source news, Canadian source news, BBC source news, Australian source news, etc., etc.,
Unionists have no Idea how think as internationalists and Europeans. That why we need to shift perspective and see ourselves worthy of an internationalist view instead of always looking at the world through an limited English prism.
OH the small minded unionists, the little traveled, and the ignorant of the rest of the world!!!
London is but one centre of the news world, but it is the centre of England and the south east, as is easily seen on BBC news as it stands.
That said, the BBC has morphed itself into a much superior version of CNN over the last few years and should not be taken lightly. There is absolutely not reason why world news can not be included within a Scottish six.
Live in Canada as I did. American news is everywhere, on Canadian as well as American channels. There are even a small proportion of Canadians who prefer American news and watch that too. Most Canadians watch CBC and ITV which provides- you guessed it American source news, Canadian source news, BBC source news, Australian source news, etc., etc.,
Unionists have no Idea how think as internationalists and Europeans. That why we need to shift perspective and see ourselves worthy of an internationalist view instead of always looking at the world through an limited English prism.
Posted by: Andrew, Johnstone on 12:18am Sun 5 Aug 07
The news in Scotland has not caught up with devolution. I am sick of the UK news because you get issues raised from England and Wales that have no impact upon Scotland. Scottish Sport never seems to get the same attention, usually half a second by comparison to the Cricket.
Or if something big happens in Scotland... you watched the same news story twice in a hour.
I agree Radio Scotland's news is excellent and should be replicated for the Scottish Six. Also it is important for a reflection in general election coverage.
The news in Scotland has not caught up with devolution. I am sick of the UK news because you get issues raised from England and Wales that have no impact upon Scotland. Scottish Sport never seems to get the same attention, usually half a second by comparison to the Cricket.
Or if something big happens in Scotland... you watched the same news story twice in a hour.
I agree Radio Scotland's news is excellent and should be replicated for the Scottish Six. Also it is important for a reflection in general election coverage.
Posted by: Shamus, Glasgow on 12:22am Sun 5 Aug 07
I wonder if it will be as good as Newsnight Scotland which cuts in on world events. I look forward to who has been dropping litter on Argyll St and news of the latest death of a drug dealer. Give my head some peace, please. **** off Salmond. Cmon Unionists lets get rid of this petty nationaist idiot.[bold]bold[/bold]
I wonder if it will be as good as Newsnight Scotland which cuts in on world events. I look forward to who has been dropping litter on Argyll St and news of the latest death of a drug dealer. Give my head some peace, please. **** off Salmond. Cmon Unionists lets get rid of this petty nationaist idiot.
Posted by: MsJ, Glasgow on 12:23am Sun 5 Aug 07
I don't have a problem with national and international news at six with Scottish news following it. There is such a thing as shutting yourself off and I wouldn't want to see that happening.
I don't have a problem with national and international news at six with Scottish news following it. There is such a thing as shutting yourself off and I wouldn't want to see that happening.
Posted by: Timothy, London on 12:30am Sun 5 Aug 07
We need definitely need better news programmes. I think the political correspondents (doesn't matter where they are from) do an excellent job for BBC Scotland. Although, it won't have the same glitzy graphics you currently get in the six o'clock news. It should more about substance than wasting 5 mins on stuff like Big Brother. It would require - London team which Reporting Scotland currently has,some freelance journalists to cover parts of the world or edit newsreports from the BBC.
Scottish Sport needs better coverage. Quite rightly, it should aims to stretch out from football.
We need definitely need better news programmes. I think the political correspondents (doesn't matter where they are from) do an excellent job for BBC Scotland. Although, it won't have the same glitzy graphics you currently get in the six o'clock news. It should more about substance than wasting 5 mins on stuff like Big Brother. It would require - London team which Reporting Scotland currently has,some freelance journalists to cover parts of the world or edit newsreports from the BBC.
Scottish Sport needs better coverage. Quite rightly, it should aims to stretch out from football.
Posted by: Timothy, London on 12:31am Sun 5 Aug 07
We need definitely need better news programmes. I think the political correspondents (doesn't matter where they are from) do an excellent job for BBC Scotland. Although, it won't have the same glitzy graphics you currently get in the six o'clock news. It should more about substance than wasting 5 mins on stuff like Big Brother. It would require - London team which Reporting Scotland currently has,some freelance journalists to cover parts of the world or edit newsreports from the BBC.
Scottish Sport needs better coverage. Quite rightly, it should aims to stretch out from football.
We need definitely need better news programmes. I think the political correspondents (doesn't matter where they are from) do an excellent job for BBC Scotland. Although, it won't have the same glitzy graphics you currently get in the six o'clock news. It should more about substance than wasting 5 mins on stuff like Big Brother. It would require - London team which Reporting Scotland currently has,some freelance journalists to cover parts of the world or edit newsreports from the BBC.
Scottish Sport needs better coverage. Quite rightly, it should aims to stretch out from football.
Posted by: Richard, London on 12:31am Sun 5 Aug 07
Anyone wanting to know about parochial should watch the BBC London News at 6.30 and 'London Tonight' on ITV. I didn't think there was anything out there that could possibly make 'Scotland Today' look good, but believe me, there is!
Arthur - Sky News has a dedicated service for Ireland to keep the Irish in touch with the outside world. Why shouldn't Scotland have the same?
And Daryl - please explain for me how getting a fairer share of licence payers' money for BBC Scotland to provide a decent news service woulsdin any way represent a waste of 'taxpayer's money'?
Scotland's only as small as your mind chooses to make it...
Anyone wanting to know about parochial should watch the BBC London News at 6.30 and 'London Tonight' on ITV. I didn't think there was anything out there that could possibly make 'Scotland Today' look good, but believe me, there is!
Arthur - Sky News has a dedicated service for Ireland to keep the Irish in touch with the outside world. Why shouldn't Scotland have the same?
And Daryl - please explain for me how getting a fairer share of licence payers' money for BBC Scotland to provide a decent news service woulsdin any way represent a waste of 'taxpayer's money'?
Scotland's only as small as your mind chooses to make it...
Posted by: David Nummey, London on 12:35am Sun 5 Aug 07
A Scottish Six could and should be much more international than some of the Unionists would have you believe. Most of the BBC News coverage is fixated on London - because thats where most of the journalists live - and I have seen many, many instances of their inability to distinguish between a London story, an English story, and a UK story.You can't get more parochial than that.
A Scottish Six could and should be much more international than some of the Unionists would have you believe. Most of the BBC News coverage is fixated on London - because thats where most of the journalists live - and I have seen many, many instances of their inability to distinguish between a London story, an English story, and a UK story.You can't get more parochial than that.
Posted by: Dougthedug on 12:38am Sun 5 Aug 07
I see the little englanders are out tonight. Scots can't do a Scottish Six because we're too parochial and not smart enough. The old cringing song.
Of course Scottish news programs are currently parochial and smug, it's branch office programming prescribed from London for the Scottish region. Scotland doesn't have a national broadcaster. Reporting Scotland doesn't do international news it does local news. That's what it is set up to do. Granny's cat in a tree. International and "National" news is broadcast from London. The STV/Grampian and Border news programs perform the same function.
Most of the "national" items on the main news channels simply don't apply here in Scotland. Education, Law, Housing initiatives, transport and sport to name a few. It's news for another country. This also applies to programs such as, "Monarchy", and, "History of Britain", which were respectively a history of the English royal families and the History of England. It's even difficult for the broadcasters to understand that Scotland has different exam awards and holiday times for schools.
The reason broadcasting was not devolved is because it's considered to be central to a "British" view of the Union. If the Scots view the world and themselves through English eyes all the better. If Scots start to get their own programs rather than crappy opt-outs they might start to identify themselves as Scots.
That's why the cringies, Jason, Plobotsky, Arthur, Jason4queen, Harry Potter and Darryl Matheson, are all out and posting against a Scottish Six.
A Scottish Six will be news for Scots on World, European, UK and local news, not the news from London on grammar schools and the latest exam results in England. I hope we get it but I think Alex will have a hard fight against "British" Broon who's against the idea of any Scottish identity.
I see the little englanders are out tonight. Scots can't do a Scottish Six because we're too parochial and not smart enough. The old cringing song.
Of course Scottish news programs are currently parochial and smug, it's branch office programming prescribed from London for the Scottish region. Scotland doesn't have a national broadcaster. Reporting Scotland doesn't do international news it does local news. That's what it is set up to do. Granny's cat in a tree. International and "National" news is broadcast from London. The STV/Grampian and Border news programs perform the same function.
Most of the "national" items on the main news channels simply don't apply here in Scotland. Education, Law, Housing initiatives, transport and sport to name a few. It's news for another country. This also applies to programs such as, "Monarchy", and, "History of Britain", which were respectively a history of the English royal families and the History of England. It's even difficult for the broadcasters to understand that Scotland has different exam awards and holiday times for schools.
The reason broadcasting was not devolved is because it's considered to be central to a "British" view of the Union. If the Scots view the world and themselves through English eyes all the better. If Scots start to get their own programs rather than crappy opt-outs they might start to identify themselves as Scots.
That's why the cringies, Jason, Plobotsky, Arthur, Jason4queen, Harry Potter and Darryl Matheson, are all out and posting against a Scottish Six.
A Scottish Six will be news for Scots on World, European, UK and local news, not the news from London on grammar schools and the latest exam results in England. I hope we get it but I think Alex will have a hard fight against "British" Broon who's against the idea of any Scottish identity.
Posted by: Andrew, Johnstone on 12:45am Sun 5 Aug 07
Daryl. It couldnt get any worse than the 'singing and dancing' on a Saturday evening. Personally, I rather see my tv licence spent on one news programme rather than regionalised, duplicated coverage.
Daryl. It couldnt get any worse than the 'singing and dancing' on a Saturday evening. Personally, I rather see my tv licence spent on one news programme rather than regionalised, duplicated coverage.
Posted by: Bruce on 12:46am Sun 5 Aug 07
Can I just say one word in support of a Scottish Six being a bit more meaningful against a UK Six -
CRICKET!
Nuff said!
Can I just say one word in support of a Scottish Six being a bit more meaningful against a UK Six -
CRICKET!
Nuff said!
Posted by: Bruce on 12:48am Sun 5 Aug 07
And before any Scottish cricketers foam at the mouth - dont tell me cricket in Scotland deserves the acres of coverage we have to suffer from 'national news'. One may as well foist bat-breeding down our throats.
And before any Scottish cricketers foam at the mouth - dont tell me cricket in Scotland deserves the acres of coverage we have to suffer from 'national news'. One may as well foist bat-breeding down our throats.
Posted by: Colin B, Bearsden on 12:50am Sun 5 Aug 07
BBC will resist this move by Salmond due to inherent Labour bias therein - isn't that right Kirsty?
BBC will resist this move by Salmond due to inherent Labour bias therein - isn't that right Kirsty?
Posted by: Steven D, Dundee on 12:57am Sun 5 Aug 07
Sorry to talk about football. I think the same should be extended to coverage of world cups and european championships. Imagine if you were a Dundee fan and a Dundee united football commentator kept talking about their victory over Barcelona. ARRRGHH!!!
Sorry to talk about football. I think the same should be extended to coverage of world cups and european championships. Imagine if you were a Dundee fan and a Dundee united football commentator kept talking about their victory over Barcelona. ARRRGHH!!!
Posted by: hiz, Scotland on 12:57am Sun 5 Aug 07
What on earth is the point of this?
We have a news programme at 6 which covers national and international news and a Scottish news programme at 6.30 to cover Scottish news and give a Scottish take on national or international issues where required. Why extend that coverage to an hour? Does Salmond think that Scottish people and Scots residents have no interest in what's going on in other parts of the Union or does he just think that we've no need or right to know what is happening across our country?
If he is genuinely interested in improving the service offered by the BBC to Scotland, and not just in points scoring and token gestures as his time in office so far would suggest, then he would be encouraging the BBC to scrap plans for a digital Gaelic channel and instead support plans for one that would serve all of Scotland (although obviously Gaelic programmes could and should form part of this).
Or he may want to start by asking BBC Scotland why their coverage is so Glasgow-centric? Why a wider range of cultural and sports (notice the plural - there is more than one of them) across the country aren't already being served by BBC Scotland? And this is not just to do with funding - for example, the BBC already have rights to show highlights of Magners League games (that's rugby Mr Salmond - you might have heard of it, been in the news quite a bit lately1!) and even some live matches involving our pro teams, yet BBC Scotland refuse to show any of this (the only availability, provided nationally, is via the red-button services which aren't available to many digital viewers and even if they can access it, the commentary is in Welsh!).
What on earth is the point of this?
We have a news programme at 6 which covers national and international news and a Scottish news programme at 6.30 to cover Scottish news and give a Scottish take on national or international issues where required. Why extend that coverage to an hour? Does Salmond think that Scottish people and Scots residents have no interest in what's going on in other parts of the Union or does he just think that we've no need or right to know what is happening across our country?
If he is genuinely interested in improving the service offered by the BBC to Scotland, and not just in points scoring and token gestures as his time in office so far would suggest, then he would be encouraging the BBC to scrap plans for a digital Gaelic channel and instead support plans for one that would serve all of Scotland (although obviously Gaelic programmes could and should form part of this).
Or he may want to start by asking BBC Scotland why their coverage is so Glasgow-centric? Why a wider range of cultural and sports (notice the plural - there is more than one of them) across the country aren't already being served by BBC Scotland? And this is not just to do with funding - for example, the BBC already have rights to show highlights of Magners League games (that's rugby Mr Salmond - you might have heard of it, been in the news quite a bit lately1!) and even some live matches involving our pro teams, yet BBC Scotland refuse to show any of this (the only availability, provided nationally, is via the red-button services which aren't available to many digital viewers and even if they can access it, the commentary is in Welsh!).
Posted by: ARGH, Ayr on 1:07am Sun 5 Aug 07
Hiz, do you think all regions, countries are covered fairly in the Union? Do you know the top story in Northern Ireland and Wales from the 6 o'clock news? I don't. From your last paragraph, you answer the cause for a Scottish 6?
Hiz, do you think all regions, countries are covered fairly in the Union? Do you know the top story in Northern Ireland and Wales from the 6 o'clock news? I don't. From your last paragraph, you answer the cause for a Scottish 6?
Posted by: Alan Knight, alanski on 1:08am Sun 5 Aug 07
Oh man, some of the cringers are out in force tonight! They really make my flesh crawl - the Scottish Six can only benefit Scotland, as it should embody more in-depth analysis of [bold]both[/bold] Scottish and International news! It's about seeing the world from our perspective rather than having it filtered through London, and you cringers are too blind to see that. If some of you people would start to wake up and realise that being continually negative is what we're trying to change here. The present news programmes for Scotland are **** - bland, superficial, parochial, sound-bite TV, that's what they are. It makes me sick when these moaners post their usual 'how dare Scotland try to improve its culture' attitudes - they are the parochial ones. Salmond and Greg Dyke are right!
Oh man, some of the cringers are out in force tonight! They really make my flesh crawl - the Scottish Six can only benefit Scotland, as it should embody more in-depth analysis of
both Scottish and International news! It's about seeing the world from our perspective rather than having it filtered through London, and you cringers are too blind to see that. If some of you people would start to wake up and realise that being continually negative is what we're trying to change here. The present news programmes for Scotland are **** - bland, superficial, parochial, sound-bite TV, that's what they are. It makes me sick when these moaners post their usual 'how dare Scotland try to improve its culture' attitudes - they are the parochial ones. Salmond and Greg Dyke are right!
Posted by: Sandy B, Edinburgh on 1:25am Sun 5 Aug 07
I think it makes sense i listen to BBC Radio Scotland most mornings until 9.30am and the mix of Scottish,UK and international news is pretty good, I have every confidence a Scottish 6 tv news could do even better given a chance.
Some of the negative comments posted like I think I'll move to England if this lasts much longer. What have the Scottish people done? are priceless.
I think it makes sense i listen to BBC Radio Scotland most mornings until 9.30am and the mix of Scottish,UK and international news is pretty good, I have every confidence a Scottish 6 tv news could do even better given a chance.
Some of the negative comments posted like I think I'll move to England if this lasts much longer. What have the Scottish people done? are priceless.
Posted by: JJ, Scotland on 1:30am Sun 5 Aug 07
I watch CNN in preference to the parochial claptrap from the BBC. How I laughed when even that clown Fred McCauley joined in the Anti SNP bawling with an intellectually challenged comment against Nicola Sturgeon. His absurd fish supper theory on Health Boards outdid Wendy's hungry caterpillar. Alex Salmond is correct. Scotland needs a proper News Service and not a little englander by product!
I watch CNN in preference to the parochial claptrap from the BBC. How I laughed when even that clown Fred McCauley joined in the Anti SNP bawling with an intellectually challenged comment against Nicola Sturgeon. His absurd fish supper theory on Health Boards outdid Wendy's hungry caterpillar. Alex Salmond is correct. Scotland needs a proper News Service and not a little englander by product!
Posted by: hiz on 1:40am Sun 5 Aug 07
ARGH, the current 6 o'clock isn't meant to list the top story from each region - it's supposed to be the most important stories as affecting the inhabitants of the UK as a whole, and obviously that does mean there will be more English stories than from elsewhere. But do you honestly think that we'd get the same coverage of what is happening in Parliament in a Scots-centric news programme? Or the same coverage of transport, economic or other issues - even from the point of view of being able to compare how house prices are doing here compared to elsewhere in the UK, or the differences in health care provision across the country?
And as for the last paragraph of my previous post, that was more to show that we should perhaps be concentrating on getting the current BBC Scotland's house in order before demanding more money or autonomy for an organisation failing many parts of and groups within Scotland. Once done, then a BBC Scotland digital channel I would be in favour of (where Scots-centric news could be provided for those who want it) but the main national channel should keep its national news.
ARGH, the current 6 o'clock isn't meant to list the top story from each region - it's supposed to be the most important stories as affecting the inhabitants of the UK as a whole, and obviously that does mean there will be more English stories than from elsewhere. But do you honestly think that we'd get the same coverage of what is happening in Parliament in a Scots-centric news programme? Or the same coverage of transport, economic or other issues - even from the point of view of being able to compare how house prices are doing here compared to elsewhere in the UK, or the differences in health care provision across the country?
And as for the last paragraph of my previous post, that was more to show that we should perhaps be concentrating on getting the current BBC Scotland's house in order before demanding more money or autonomy for an organisation failing many parts of and groups within Scotland. Once done, then a BBC Scotland digital channel I would be in favour of (where Scots-centric news could be provided for those who want it) but the main national channel should keep its national news.
Posted by: paul h, fife on 1:43am Sun 5 Aug 07
[bold]Absolute music to my ears![/bold] I regard this inbalance in broadcasting media as indicative of less obvious inbalances created by the union as a whole.[bold] Economically[/bold] we are effectively subsidising an English service.
[bold]Culturally[/bold] we are subjected to a whole lot of stuff that is totally alien or inappropriate. Whilst creative types find work and outlets more scarce than would be the case in a natural independent state.
I'm thoroughly sick of how we are treated and know many others are too. The SNP are doing so many of us (regardless of support independence) a service in tackling this.
Absolute music to my ears! I regard this inbalance in broadcasting media as indicative of less obvious inbalances created by the union as a whole.
Economically we are effectively subsidising an English service.
Culturally we are subjected to a whole lot of stuff that is totally alien or inappropriate. Whilst creative types find work and outlets more scarce than would be the case in a natural independent state.
I'm thoroughly sick of how we are treated and know many others are too. The SNP are doing so many of us (regardless of support independence) a service in tackling this.
Posted by: paul h, fife on 2:00am Sun 5 Aug 07
DOUGTHEDOG- not for the first time you are absolutely spot on.The cringies- 'Jason', 'Plobotsky', 'Arthur', 'Jason4queen', 'Harry Potter', 'Darryl Matheson' etal are it seems to me pschologically flawed. They actively hate their own country.
Whilst I support independence, I don't go about waving a flag or thinking Scotland is the greatest. These unionists, on the other hand, seem to base their beliefs on an inferiority complex. How on earth can they, or the parties they support, possibly tell us that it is better to spend all the money in England and that the coverage of the English issues has more relevence than our own.
DOUGTHEDOG- not for the first time you are absolutely spot on.The cringies- 'Jason', 'Plobotsky', 'Arthur', 'Jason4queen', 'Harry Potter', 'Darryl Matheson' etal are it seems to me pschologically flawed. They actively hate their own country.
Whilst I support independence, I don't go about waving a flag or thinking Scotland is the greatest. These unionists, on the other hand, seem to base their beliefs on an inferiority complex. How on earth can they, or the parties they support, possibly tell us that it is better to spend all the money in England and that the coverage of the English issues has more relevence than our own.
Posted by: ARGH on 2:04am Sun 5 Aug 07
I think we would get the same coverage in a Scottish Six because that's where issues such as Iraq, the budget, WMDs, pensions, terriorism, ID cards, Scottish parliament's voting system gets determined. Newspapers like the Sunday Herald show we could do it. Newspapers like the Daily Record, the Scottish Times, the Scottish Sun, the Scottish News of th World, the Scottish Telegraph shows how pathetic, filtered our media is?
A BBC digital channelfor Scotland is certainly a step in the right direction. 'UK as whole' does not get relfected in terms of news especially when it comes to general elections. Highers don't get the same amount of discussion as 'a- levels?
I remember growing up and I couldn't even get cartoons during the School holidays.
I get really fed up when I see the same news 'twice' within a hour or the fact that issues only effect my English, namely London neighbours.
Radio Scotland news covers Scottish, UK an international news. This proves to me the organisation is perfectly capable of doing the job professionally.
Why is John Reid "lobbying" against this? Should it not be up to the independent BBC.
I think we would get the same coverage in a Scottish Six because that's where issues such as Iraq, the budget, WMDs, pensions, terriorism, ID cards, Scottish parliament's voting system gets determined. Newspapers like the Sunday Herald show we could do it. Newspapers like the Daily Record, the Scottish Times, the Scottish Sun, the Scottish News of th World, the Scottish Telegraph shows how pathetic, filtered our media is?
A BBC digital channelfor Scotland is certainly a step in the right direction. 'UK as whole' does not get relfected in terms of news especially when it comes to general elections. Highers don't get the same amount of discussion as 'a- levels?
I remember growing up and I couldn't even get cartoons during the School holidays.
I get really fed up when I see the same news 'twice' within a hour or the fact that issues only effect my English, namely London neighbours.
Radio Scotland news covers Scottish, UK an international news. This proves to me the organisation is perfectly capable of doing the job professionally.
Why is John Reid "lobbying" against this? Should it not be up to the independent BBC.
Posted by: Yok Finney, Ross-shire on 2:23am Sun 5 Aug 07
I am happy to pay taxes for a state-run broadcasting network. This state is Scotland where I live. Is anyplace more provincial than London? tho mebbe Glasgow is similar. Can I get a refund for all these horrible soaps, which I don't watch, about the UK criminally minded?
I am happy to pay taxes for a state-run broadcasting network. This state is Scotland where I live. Is anyplace more provincial than London? tho mebbe Glasgow is similar. Can I get a refund for all these horrible soaps, which I don't watch, about the UK criminally minded?
Posted by: Tom McAlister on 2:56am Sun 5 Aug 07
I tend to agree with your last comments,"ARGH".
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The key question in this yet another stushie is this:
Does the BBC in Scotland consider that it is wholy adequate to even attempt to cram into 30 mins a full news programme containing [bold]a scottish perspective on both home and internation news of a relevant interest to Scotland.? Anyone care to comment.[/bold]
Adequate for a region perhaps but definately not for an inspiring nation who apparently are not quite so apathetic when it comes to current news and affairs and of being informed of same with a Scottish perspective, on matters which may afect Scotland or have influnce outwith the influence and dare I say it, London based excentric controlled perceived sensorship of what we in Scotland should be or should not be informed about.
Alec is quite right to raise the matter.A BBC London excentric veiwpoint is not necessarily the viewpoint that could be agree to serve the best interests of what is or is't of interest to Scots in the process of forming an opinion.
Censorship is bad enough but broadcasting from somewhere else to serve the needs of somewhere with perhaps a differing veiwpoint or a differing perceiption on current affairs is tantamount to control freakery.
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I tend to agree with your last comments,"ARGH".
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The key question in this yet another stushie is this:
Does the BBC in Scotland consider that it is wholy adequate to even attempt to cram into 30 mins a full news programme containing
a scottish perspective on both home and internation news of a relevant interest to Scotland.? Anyone care to comment.
Adequate for a region perhaps but definately not for an inspiring nation who apparently are not quite so apathetic when it comes to current news and affairs and of being informed of same with a Scottish perspective, on matters which may afect Scotland or have influnce outwith the influence and dare I say it, London based excentric controlled perceived sensorship of what we in Scotland should be or should not be informed about.
Alec is quite right to raise the matter.A BBC London excentric veiwpoint is not necessarily the viewpoint that could be agree to serve the best interests of what is or is't of interest to Scots in the process of forming an opinion.
Censorship is bad enough but broadcasting from somewhere else to serve the needs of somewhere with perhaps a differing veiwpoint or a differing perceiption on current affairs is tantamount to control freakery.
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Posted by: Steve, Sydney on 3:02am Sun 5 Aug 07
Why on earth would people who live in Scotland prefer to have their local and world news programme sent to them via London? Aren't journalists and television executives in Scotland capable of producing news bulletins to match their London couterparts? Of course they are.
Moreover I am intrigued to know why the people who have written to this page voicing their opposition to the idea are reading the Herald, in the first place? Surely they should be replying to news stories they read in the Observer, Telegraph or The Times.
Keep tugging those forelocks guys!
Why on earth would people who live in Scotland prefer to have their local and world news programme sent to them via London? Aren't journalists and television executives in Scotland capable of producing news bulletins to match their London couterparts? Of course they are.
Moreover I am intrigued to know why the people who have written to this page voicing their opposition to the idea are reading the Herald, in the first place? Surely they should be replying to news stories they read in the Observer, Telegraph or The Times.
Keep tugging those forelocks guys!
Posted by: Big Bang on 3:24am Sun 5 Aug 07
Glasgow Broadcasting Corp is bad enough. The presenters on BBC Scotland are horse muck as it is at the moment.
Glasgow Broadcasting Corp is bad enough. The presenters on BBC Scotland are horse muck as it is at the moment.
Posted by: Mr Q, Gleas Ghu on 3:54am Sun 5 Aug 07
Jason, Dumfries -
please go self replicate - the whole point is to make news more relevant to the community that it serves. Many of us are increasingly hacked off at the precedence on the so called 'national' news of political stories originating from Westminister these days that have absolutley no relevence to Scotland due to the devolution settlement.
Whether most of us on this post are nationalists, unionists, salmondistas, brownistas, blair afficionados, tories or lib dems, or whatever mix of scottish political persuasion you can think of - the point has to be noted that due to Devolution [no matter where the expirement ends up in the future - be it continue the union or independence] the current broadcasting settlement is untenable.
whatever your persuasion - people in Glasgow don't really give a flying monkey about what Westminster legislates about Education provision for Glouscter as Westminister has no responsibility in Scotland, so why report it in Scotland.
News needs to be targeted relevantly to the audience that needs to hear it - and a Scottish Six - actually seems quite relevant based on the political realities we currently have in Scotland, irrespective of if the current make up of the administration working out of Bute House.
Jason, Dumfries -
please go self replicate - the whole point is to make news more relevant to the community that it serves. Many of us are increasingly hacked off at the precedence on the so called 'national' news of political stories originating from Westminister these days that have absolutley no relevence to Scotland due to the devolution settlement.
Whether most of us on this post are nationalists, unionists, salmondistas, brownistas, blair afficionados, tories or lib dems, or whatever mix of scottish political persuasion you can think of - the point has to be noted that due to Devolution the current broadcasting settlement is untenable.
whatever your persuasion - people in Glasgow don't really give a flying monkey about what Westminster legislates about Education provision for Glouscter as Westminister has no responsibility in Scotland, so why report it in Scotland.
News needs to be targeted relevantly to the audience that needs to hear it - and a Scottish Six - actually seems quite relevant based on the political realities we currently have in Scotland, irrespective of if the current make up of the administration working out of Bute House.
Posted by: martin bormann, EDINBURGH on 4:24am Sun 5 Aug 07
Everyones missing the point.
The DOPEY BBC should be ABOLISHED.
ITS Labour. Liberal Muslim BIAS is beyond a joke.
Watching the BBC is like watching RUSSIAN TV.
The BBC is UNWATCHABLE.
Everyones missing the point.
The DOPEY BBC should be ABOLISHED.
ITS Labour. Liberal Muslim BIAS is beyond a joke.
Watching the BBC is like watching RUSSIAN TV.
The BBC is UNWATCHABLE.
Posted by: Nai, Lake garda on 6:39am Sun 5 Aug 07
When the terrorist incident was taking place at Glasgow Airport Radio Five Live gave it uninterrupted excellent coverage. Meanwhile Radio Scotland reported, via Chic Young on the uner 20s footbal tournament in Vancouver. Need we say more?
When the terrorist incident was taking place at Glasgow Airport Radio Five Live gave it uninterrupted excellent coverage. Meanwhile Radio Scotland reported, via Chic Young on the uner 20s footbal tournament in Vancouver. Need we say more?
Posted by: gran at the granary, perth on 6:49am Sun 5 Aug 07
I get my news on the internet. The best reporting on the Glasgow bombers was in the New York Times
I get my news on the internet. The best reporting on the Glasgow bombers was in the New York Times
Posted by: Saul Tyre, Germany on 7:10am Sun 5 Aug 07
A lot of posters here are fed up with parochial reports from the home counties. They mention cricket as an example. And they're right.
But I feel I have to question the boat race (what an infantile name) being shown in the Scottish news. Who cares about two teams of wealthy students rowing along the Thames cheered on by a shower of buffoons reliving the days when half of the world map was pink?
And is it not strange that Oxford and Cambridge ALWAYS make it through to the final, managing to avoid each other in the early rounds? Thank God it's only once a year.
We need a Scottish Six showing Scottish and international (including English) news. What we have now is a joke suitable only to nurse the inferiority complex of far too many 'Scots'. If you dont believe me, look at some of this morning's posts.
A lot of posters here are fed up with parochial reports from the home counties. They mention cricket as an example. And they're right.
But I feel I have to question the boat race (what an infantile name) being shown in the Scottish news. Who cares about two teams of wealthy students rowing along the Thames cheered on by a shower of buffoons reliving the days when half of the world map was pink?
And is it not strange that Oxford and Cambridge ALWAYS make it through to the final, managing to avoid each other in the early rounds? Thank God it's only once a year.
We need a Scottish Six showing Scottish and international (including English) news. What we have now is a joke suitable only to nurse the inferiority complex of far too many 'Scots'. If you dont believe me, look at some of this morning's posts.
Posted by: Anders Nogiets, Zuid-Holland on 7:55am Sun 5 Aug 07
Scottish broadcasters are well able to comment on international affairs and there is no shortage of academics and others to provide independent comment.
Here in Den Haag ("now over to your regional news"), we get the London News - President Ken Livingston visits dog home; delays on the London underground; "London" Olympics.
Personally, I listen to Radio Scotland on the computer. I want to hear the news from Scotland and how the news affects Scotland.
Scottish broadcasters are well able to comment on international affairs and there is no shortage of academics and others to provide independent comment.
Here in Den Haag ("now over to your regional news"), we get the London News - President Ken Livingston visits dog home; delays on the London underground; "London" Olympics.
Personally, I listen to Radio Scotland on the computer. I want to hear the news from Scotland and how the news affects Scotland.
Posted by: Macuistean, Irvine on 8:04am Sun 5 Aug 07
Dougthedug; Well said, thank you.
Dougthedug; Well said, thank you.
Posted by: mynci, Alva on 8:05am Sun 5 Aug 07
Even an Englishmen like me living north of the border gets sick of extended coverage of irrelavent english political issues (though I would miss the footie). Any attempts to weight resources and reporting towards Scotland would be welcome, and where better to start than the flagship news program.
Radio Scotland is good, but the TV bunch will need to raise their game - Newsnight Scotland and Reporting Scotland are a bit rubbish compared to the UK-based programs.
A parochial, inward looking news is the last thing we need - s4C in Wales is a good point of reference here - but if the BBC is up to the challenge, great!
Even an Englishmen like me living north of the border gets sick of extended coverage of irrelavent english political issues (though I would miss the footie). Any attempts to weight resources and reporting towards Scotland would be welcome, and where better to start than the flagship news program.
Radio Scotland is good, but the TV bunch will need to raise their game - Newsnight Scotland and Reporting Scotland are a bit rubbish compared to the UK-based programs.
A parochial, inward looking news is the last thing we need - s4C in Wales is a good point of reference here - but if the BBC is up to the challenge, great!
Posted by: JockoHomo, Perthshire on 8:06am Sun 5 Aug 07
We live in a country with the worst public health in Europe, a social underclass who get poorer and disenfranchised by the day, a poorly educated populace who after at least 11 years of schooling have difficulty with basic literacy and arithmetic, and a country in near terminal economic decline. But don't worry folks, at least we've got our own Noddy's guide to the news. Who needs depth, analysis and an international perpective when you can have tartan, shortbread and a funny wee story at the end from "the best wee country in the World.". Och Aye!
We live in a country with the worst public health in Europe, a social underclass who get poorer and disenfranchised by the day, a poorly educated populace who after at least 11 years of schooling have difficulty with basic literacy and arithmetic, and a country in near terminal economic decline. But don't worry folks, at least we've got our own Noddy's guide to the news. Who needs depth, analysis and an international perpective when you can have tartan, shortbread and a funny wee story at the end from "the best wee country in the World.". Och Aye!
Posted by: art1000, Dunfermline on 8:19am Sun 5 Aug 07
Lot of cringe merchants out early this morning.
The point is JockHomo the problems in our own country and their solutions out there in etherland are never properly highlighted. In stead we get dumbed down 'world news' from an Orpington perspective from a bunch of dumbos and bimbos with grating accents.
We could learn from the lots from the Dutch e.g. on flood prevention or from the Norwegians on tidal power generation. Not a sausage - all we get is disaster reporting, photo shoots of Broon and co shaking guys hands AND ITS NEVER GOING TO CHANGE.
Underpinning all the problems of UK tv world reporting is the attitude that we are somehow still a 'big player on the world stage'. Well we are not, poodles at best and we are not going to address the problems you speak of until we learn that. Scotland exiting stage right is the best possible start along the way.
Lot of cringe merchants out early this morning.
The point is JockHomo the problems in our own country and their solutions out there in etherland are never properly highlighted. In stead we get dumbed down 'world news' from an Orpington perspective from a bunch of dumbos and bimbos with grating accents.
We could learn from the lots from the Dutch e.g. on flood prevention or from the Norwegians on tidal power generation. Not a sausage - all we get is disaster reporting, photo shoots of Broon and co shaking guys hands AND ITS NEVER GOING TO CHANGE.
Underpinning all the problems of UK tv world reporting is the attitude that we are somehow still a 'big player on the world stage'. Well we are not, poodles at best and we are not going to address the problems you speak of until we learn that. Scotland exiting stage right is the best possible start along the way.
Posted by: Jennifer Tailya, Call me Jenny on 8:56am Sun 5 Aug 07
Saul Tyre - you can't be serious. Its not an open competition, just old pals doing it for each other once a year.
Saul Tyre - you can't be serious. Its not an open competition, just old pals doing it for each other once a year.
Posted by: JockoHomo, Perthshire on 9:03am Sun 5 Aug 07
"The Point Is" Art1000 this is a sideshow and to most people, an irrelevence. Salmond and co are only too aware of the problems in our own country however as usaul it's about grabbing a headline with a shallow popular gesture. And if I'm being really cynical it's about Salmond banking on a "Scottish Six" giving him more personal exposure than he curently gets. And do you really think that a Jock T.V. news programme is going to give us, for example, the global warming background and the flood prevention options based on the Dutch/Scandinavian Model when it comes to a flood story? I think not.
Oh and I don't recall making any reference to national ego or an over inflated sence of self. That's not what it's about. I simply prefer my news/information to have breadth and depth and some notions of objectivity and impartiality. Granted this is hard to come by in the world of TV news. That's why I read The Guardian and Listed to Radio 4.
"The Point Is" Art1000 this is a sideshow and to most people, an irrelevence. Salmond and co are only too aware of the problems in our own country however as usaul it's about grabbing a headline with a shallow popular gesture. And if I'm being really cynical it's about Salmond banking on a "Scottish Six" giving him more personal exposure than he curently gets. And do you really think that a Jock T.V. news programme is going to give us, for example, the global warming background and the flood prevention options based on the Dutch/Scandinavian Model when it comes to a flood story? I think not.
Oh and I don't recall making any reference to national ego or an over inflated sence of self. That's not what it's about. I simply prefer my news/information to have breadth and depth and some notions of objectivity and impartiality. Granted this is hard to come by in the world of TV news. That's why I read The Guardian and Listed to Radio 4.
Posted by: george alexander, north lanarkshire on 9:04am Sun 5 Aug 07
Very, very poor iuput from the anti Scottish Six brigade (Unionist Fundamentalists?). The basic criticisms of the surrent setup; English items that are irellevant to Scotland due to devolution and all seen from a London perspective, have been avoided by them.
One case in point regards the so called Brown bounce, reported as though it were U.K. wide when in fact it isn't applying in Scotland where the SNP continued to be ahead in the polls.
Oh, and would Scottish based rsearchers and journalists have fabricated the recent BBC newsnight anti SNP poll?
Someone made a good point regarding newspapers, why read Scottish ones when we vould so easily by those from Fleet street?
I think that a Scottish Six is a no brainer, unless you believe that an informed Scottish electorate might be problematic to the preservation of the Union.....then the Unionist stance begins to make sense.
Very, very poor iuput from the anti Scottish Six brigade (Unionist Fundamentalists?). The basic criticisms of the surrent setup; English items that are irellevant to Scotland due to devolution and all seen from a London perspective, have been avoided by them.
One case in point regards the so called Brown bounce, reported as though it were U.K. wide when in fact it isn't applying in Scotland where the SNP continued to be ahead in the polls.
Oh, and would Scottish based rsearchers and journalists have fabricated the recent BBC newsnight anti SNP poll?
Someone made a good point regarding newspapers, why read Scottish ones when we vould so easily by those from Fleet street?
I think that a Scottish Six is a no brainer, unless you believe that an informed Scottish electorate might be problematic to the preservation of the Union.....then the Unionist stance begins to make sense.
Posted by: george alexander, north lanarkshire on 9:14am Sun 5 Aug 07
Regarding poor posts from anti six posters:
See the post from JockoHomo @ 09:03 a.m. for an example. It completely avoids the issues raised and instead centres around an attack on Salmond, even though there are SNP and non SNP people who have been campaigning for a Scottish Six for years.....even when Scotland was being governed by Labour, was it a sideshow then?
The 'jock t.v.' term used is also deliberately pejorative, giving the illusion of a parochial setup consisting of tartan, haggis and brigadoon.
As I have said.......poor anti six posts.
Regarding poor posts from anti six posters:
See the post from JockoHomo @ 09:03 a.m. for an example. It completely avoids the issues raised and instead centres around an attack on Salmond, even though there are SNP and non SNP people who have been campaigning for a Scottish Six for years.....even when Scotland was being governed by Labour, was it a sideshow then?
The 'jock t.v.' term used is also deliberately pejorative, giving the illusion of a parochial setup consisting of tartan, haggis and brigadoon.
As I have said.......poor anti six posts.
Posted by: Tom Tennant, Glasgow on 9:16am Sun 5 Aug 07
I'm all for a Scottish 6.
I believe eventually a high standard could be reached.
If anyone doubts BBC Scotland's potential then compare Radio Scotland and Radio 4 during news broadcasts - whilst a lot of the scripts seem to have been prepared centrally Radio Scotland's presentation is far superior.
We can give over 2 mins at end of the news to our English correspondant to cover English headlines - such as cricket and Beckam.
I'm all for a Scottish 6.
I believe eventually a high standard could be reached.
If anyone doubts BBC Scotland's potential then compare Radio Scotland and Radio 4 during news broadcasts - whilst a lot of the scripts seem to have been prepared centrally Radio Scotland's presentation is far superior.
We can give over 2 mins at end of the news to our English correspondant to cover English headlines - such as cricket and Beckam.
Posted by: Pat on 9:26am Sun 5 Aug 07
The first minister is quick on the job to deal with the top men of the BBC, would that not effect his career?
The first minister is quick on the job to deal with the top men of the BBC, would that not effect his career?
Posted by: Pat on 9:31am Sun 5 Aug 07
I agree, the 6 o'clock news should be the 6 o'clock news, not tailing by half an hour!
So, I've said it.
I agree, the 6 o'clock news should be the 6 o'clock news, not tailing by half an hour!
So, I've said it.
Posted by: Jimbo Jones on 9:40am Sun 5 Aug 07
I fail to understand the argument from those against the idea.
It seems to me you are saying something along the lines of "Under the current system, Reporting Scotland is a joke. Let's carry on with the current system."
Not exactly incisive thinking, is it?
I fail to understand the argument from those against the idea.
It seems to me you are saying something along the lines of "Under the current system, Reporting Scotland is a joke. Let's carry on with the current system."
Not exactly incisive thinking, is it?
Posted by: The info-line on 10:07am Sun 5 Aug 07
More information is also available in braille and in print.
The Scottish SIX will provide also in UK and International news.
J J 9:40
Lack of information has always proven to be the cause of resenting new pathways of the unknown. It's no big deal, babe.
More information is also available in braille and in print.
The Scottish SIX will provide also in UK and International news.
J J 9:40
Lack of information has always proven to be the cause of resenting new pathways of the unknown. It's no big deal, babe.
Posted by: An Taghan, Cill Fhinnean on 10:12am Sun 5 Aug 07
[quote][bold]Harry Potter[/bold] wrote:
I much prefer the main, Uk-wide BBC six o\'clock news. Come on, who doesn\'t like Hugh Edward\'s Elvis-like mouth? It cracks me up every time. On a more serious note, I am concerned this might be a sign of things to come if Scotland becomes independent. Are we really going to be that parochial? In a world of interdependence, when the world is getting smaller, it is more important than ever to expand our horizons and look beyond our borders. Help!, at 11:13pm: I think I\'ll join you on the train down to England, lol. If I didn\'t laugh, I would cry.[/quote] No, Harry, please don't go to England. From what I find of them, they're a nice, straightalking people - and most importantly, they are intelligent. You, on the other hand, are a moron. How can you actually be so stupid? Parochial? What? By wanting to see national news that is relevant to our own country, and international events (which current Scottish news doesn't cover, it is only local news) from a Scottish perspective.
I'll be sure to tell all me fine Dutch workmates that they are parochial because they don't find news on changes to Germany's transport or education policies all that interesting, and the English ones that they are all racist and small minded because they found the build-up to England's World Cup preparations more interesting than that of France's.
You are complete scum.
Harry Potter wrote:
I much prefer the main, Uk-wide BBC six o\'clock news. Come on, who doesn\'t like Hugh Edward\'s Elvis-like mouth? It cracks me up every time. On a more serious note, I am concerned this might be a sign of things to come if Scotland becomes independent. Are we really going to be that parochial? In a world of interdependence, when the world is getting smaller, it is more important than ever to expand our horizons and look beyond our borders. Help!, at 11:13pm: I think I\'ll join you on the train down to England, lol. If I didn\'t laugh, I would cry.
No, Harry, please don't go to England. From what I find of them, they're a nice, straightalking people - and most importantly, they are intelligent. You, on the other hand, are a moron. How can you actually be so stupid? Parochial? What? By wanting to see national news that is relevant to our own country, and international events (which current Scottish news doesn't cover, it is only local news) from a Scottish perspective.
I'll be sure to tell all me fine Dutch workmates that they are parochial because they don't find news on changes to Germany's transport or education policies all that interesting, and the English ones that they are all racist and small minded because they found the build-up to England's World Cup preparations more interesting than that of France's.
You are complete scum.
Posted by: Disgusted Dorothy, Glasgow on 10:19am Sun 5 Aug 07
Sick and tired of the BBC,fed up with their bias, fed up with their lies.
End the licence fee!!!
Sick and tired of the BBC,fed up with their bias, fed up with their lies.
End the licence fee!!!
Posted by: Mike Mackinnon on 10:19am Sun 5 Aug 07
What is it about Scots who automatically think that anything produced in Scotland is inferior to the English article? For all the unionistas threatening to leave over a Scottish Six, I say 'get thee gone now!' I will personally start up a fund to get rid of these ignorant swine who prefer to hear about what's going on in London to what's going on in Scotland.
You make me want to vomit! And some of you have the nerve to call yourselves Scots????
What is it about Scots who automatically think that anything produced in Scotland is inferior to the English article? For all the unionistas threatening to leave over a Scottish Six, I say 'get thee gone now!' I will personally start up a fund to get rid of these ignorant swine who prefer to hear about what's going on in London to what's going on in Scotland.
You make me want to vomit! And some of you have the nerve to call yourselves Scots????
Posted by: pehman, sussex on 10:21am Sun 5 Aug 07
From my point of view, it's the lack of Scottish news in the "national news" thats the problem. Unless something of the order of the Glasgow Airport attack happens nothing is reported, surely the national news should be just that- news from all over the UK, not just that pertaining to London
From my point of view, it's the lack of Scottish news in the "national news" thats the problem. Unless something of the order of the Glasgow Airport attack happens nothing is reported, surely the national news should be just that- news from all over the UK, not just that pertaining to London
Posted by: tcross, carluke on 10:22am Sun 5 Aug 07
All of the above have lost the plot. Alex Salmond is not about delivering on the 6 Oclock news but on a comprehensive review of broadcasting in 21st Century Scotland framed within a new cultural, economic and political context. The six news issue should not blind us from the bigger picture of the urgent need for a new mandate for public and private sector broadcasting in and for SCOTLAND providing a distinctive voice and vision in the global TV industry.
All of the above have lost the plot. Alex Salmond is not about delivering on the 6 Oclock news but on a comprehensive review of broadcasting in 21st Century Scotland framed within a new cultural, economic and political context. The six news issue should not blind us from the bigger picture of the urgent need for a new mandate for public and private sector broadcasting in and for SCOTLAND providing a distinctive voice and vision in the global TV industry.
Posted by: Martin Williams, London on 10:26am Sun 5 Aug 07
I think Mike gives an interesting impression of Scotland these days, full of vomiting intolerant people who question the right of others to hold their own opinions.
One Scotland many cultures? No lo creo!
I think Mike gives an interesting impression of Scotland these days, full of vomiting intolerant people who question the right of others to hold their own opinions.
One Scotland many cultures? No lo creo!
Posted by: RETIRED....... but still switched on, Fed Up To The Teeth on 10:28am Sun 5 Aug 07
[quote][bold]Jason4queen[/bold] wrote:
What is the point of this?. Surely we have a Scottish news programme. It just starts 30 minutes later. Or is Alec down the Bookies watching the later races by then?. Maybe thats why he is getting in such a strop. He doesnt realise there already is a Scottish News. But perhaps more should be spent on other Scottish programmes. As for the 6 O'clock news, I dont understand why it is such an issue. Perhaps an Alec fan will explain.[/quote] JASON4QUEEN
More anti-SNP drivel from the mother and father of all the labour numpties.
Listen Son......it's hardly a big request to have a news programme that covers scottish issues in real depth, rather than the very cursory coverage we get at the moment, (unless it happens to have either a terrorist connection, good TV news footage, or both).
We don't get other than limited coverage of any details of the things that are important here, while we in turn have to endurre reams of guff about England's latest test match defeat, or about the poor apple harvest in Devon or whatever. 90% of references to Britain are called as English and it'd be nice to hear some scots based news set into the international perspective (something that the Queen (are you related?) Margaret Drive mob haven't picked up on.
It's not about being "an Alec fan", it's simply about seeing ourselves as a nation again..............b
ut there again, that particular concept is way beyond you Jason.
Would it help if we explained it on the back of say a cornflakes packet? That way you could get up to speed with the rest of us by reading it at work, saving your private time for your other "activities"... as told on your damning, lunatic, rambling website.
Jason4queen wrote:
What is the point of this?. Surely we have a Scottish news programme. It just starts 30 minutes later. Or is Alec down the Bookies watching the later races by then?. Maybe thats why he is getting in such a strop. He doesnt realise there already is a Scottish News. But perhaps more should be spent on other Scottish programmes. As for the 6 O'clock news, I dont understand why it is such an issue. Perhaps an Alec fan will explain.
JASON4QUEEN
More anti-SNP drivel from the mother and father of all the labour numpties.
Listen Son......it's hardly a big request to have a news programme that covers scottish issues in real depth, rather than the very cursory coverage we get at the moment, (unless it happens to have either a terrorist connection, good TV news footage, or both).
We don't get other than limited coverage of any details of the things that are important here, while we in turn have to endurre reams of guff about England's latest test match defeat, or about the poor apple harvest in Devon or whatever. 90% of references to Britain are called as English and it'd be nice to hear some scots based news set into the international perspective (something that the Queen (are you related?) Margaret Drive mob haven't picked up on.
It's not about being "an Alec fan", it's simply about seeing ourselves as a nation again..............b
ut there again, that particular concept is way beyond you Jason.
Would it help if we explained it on the back of say a cornflakes packet? That way you could get up to speed with the rest of us by reading it at work, saving your private time for your other "activities"... as told on your damning, lunatic, rambling website.
Posted by: Mr Lachie Todd, Edinburgh on 10:29am Sun 5 Aug 07
As digital television is gradually rolled out across the U.K. it can accomodate literally hundreds, and thousands, of channels.
A large number of U.S. States already have multiple State-wide and local television and radio stations. The State of California, the largest and most populated, has over 450 local digital television channels, many of which provide 24-Hour coverage!
Thousands of State-wide and local TV stations in the U.S. have deals with the major U.S. broadcasters to purchase "national" news and opt in and out, of coast-to-coast coverage.
CNN is one of the the largest providers. Ted Turner pioneered this trend in the U.S. and it has made him a multi-billionaire.
Anyone who has travelled to the U.S. must be well aware that those in New England, the Mid-West, and California are not really interested in each others local news, and cherry pick short items to produce a "patriotic" mix from the majors and locals.
The United Kingdom is now a quasi-federal State, and there absolutely no reason why a Scottish Six, opting in and out of London, cannot be produced. This is purely a political argument and has nothing to do with broadcasting capabilities in Scotland.
The London-based BBC and Independent broadcasters show very little interest in events in Scotland, or elsewhere in the U.K.?
A recent example was the Bathgate-born
Dario Franchitti's spectacular success in winning the Indianapolis 500 motor race which was totally ignored by both the BBC and ITN?
Yet, we have had absolute saturation coverage from the BBC and ITN of David Beckham and his family since their arrival in California!
Strangely, after initial interest, the U.S.
broadcasters now rarely mention the Beckhams? Footballer and WAGS are now non-news in the U.S.! Hundreds of these U.S. 24-Hour TV stations covered live broadcasts of the Glasgow Airport terrorist attack! This debate will go on and ultimately there will be Scottish-based "national" news broadcasts.
It is inevitable that eventually broadcasting will be devolved to The Scottish Parliament! Lachie Todd
As digital television is gradually rolled out across the U.K. it can accomodate literally hundreds, and thousands, of channels.
A large number of U.S. States already have multiple State-wide and local television and radio stations. The State of California, the largest and most populated, has over 450 local digital television channels, many of which provide 24-Hour coverage!
Thousands of State-wide and local TV stations in the U.S. have deals with the major U.S. broadcasters to purchase "national" news and opt in and out, of coast-to-coast coverage.
CNN is one of the the largest providers. Ted Turner pioneered this trend in the U.S. and it has made him a multi-billionaire.
Anyone who has travelled to the U.S. must be well aware that those in New England, the Mid-West, and California are not really interested in each others local news, and cherry pick short items to produce a "patriotic" mix from the majors and locals.
The United Kingdom is now a quasi-federal State, and there absolutely no reason why a Scottish Six, opting in and out of London, cannot be produced. This is purely a political argument and has nothing to do with broadcasting capabilities in Scotland.
The London-based BBC and Independent broadcasters show very little interest in events in Scotland, or elsewhere in the U.K.?
A recent example was the Bathgate-born
Dario Franchitti's spectacular success in winning the Indianapolis 500 motor race which was totally ignored by both the BBC and ITN?
Yet, we have had absolute saturation coverage from the BBC and ITN of David Beckham and his family since their arrival in California!
Strangely, after initial interest, the U.S.
broadcasters now rarely mention the Beckhams? Footballer and WAGS are now non-news in the U.S.! Hundreds of these U.S. 24-Hour TV stations covered live broadcasts of the Glasgow Airport terrorist attack! This debate will go on and ultimately there will be Scottish-based "national" news broadcasts.
It is inevitable that eventually broadcasting will be devolved to The Scottish Parliament! Lachie Todd
Posted by: RETIRED....... but still switched on, Fed Up To The Teeth on 10:31am Sun 5 Aug 07
[quote][bold]Shamus[/bold] wrote:
I wonder if it will be as good as Newsnight Scotland which cuts in on world events. I look forward to who has been dropping litter on Argyll St and news of the latest death of a drug dealer. Give my head some peace, please. **** off Salmond. Cmon Unionists lets get rid of this petty nationaist idiot.[bold]bold[/bold] [/quote] SHAMUS
A pitiful post, pitifully put !!
Shamus wrote:
I wonder if it will be as good as Newsnight Scotland which cuts in on world events. I look forward to who has been dropping litter on Argyll St and news of the latest death of a drug dealer. Give my head some peace, please. **** off Salmond. Cmon Unionists lets get rid of this petty nationaist idiot.
SHAMUS
A pitiful post, pitifully put !!
Posted by: art1000, Dunfermline on 10:39am Sun 5 Aug 07
Talk about BBC bias. Did anyone see Sissons this morning with his gushing, uncious,incessant 'isn't Gorgon Broon wonderful' line to interviewees.
Have we gone mad? This crisis is straight out of Hollywood - the 'Killer virus escapes lab' script.
Talk about BBC bias. Did anyone see Sissons this morning with his gushing, uncious,incessant 'isn't Gorgon Broon wonderful' line to interviewees.
Have we gone mad? This crisis is straight out of Hollywood - the 'Killer virus escapes lab' script.
Posted by: Aelle, on file on 10:47am Sun 5 Aug 07
RETIRED.......
at 10:28
at 10:31
Where have you been hiding all the time?
In Spain, have you? Don't you have a laptop?
Welcome back.
RETIRED.......
at 10:28
at 10:31
Where have you been hiding all the time?
In Spain, have you? Don't you have a laptop?
Welcome back.
Posted by: Edward, Edinburgh on 10:49am Sun 5 Aug 07
[quote][bold]Jason[/bold] wrote:
What a waste of taxpayers money..........So what you gonna do about Border TV - scrap that as well as it dares to mention England- you little Scotlander???? Im sorry but I dont want to be subjected to a 6 o'clock Glasgow news every night. [/quote] Border TV has nothing to do with the BBC, its an ITV company
Jason wrote:
What a waste of taxpayers money..........So what you gonna do about Border TV - scrap that as well as it dares to mention England- you little Scotlander???? Im sorry but I dont want to be subjected to a 6 o'clock Glasgow news every night.
Border TV has nothing to do with the BBC, its an ITV company
Posted by: ptw on 10:54am Sun 5 Aug 07
Why are JASON4QUEEN et al so anti-Scottish? It's vomit-inducing. And as for the balloon from Dumfries (my home town) who is happy with Border TV; he is the ONLY one who is. Absolute nonsense from the silly little unionist. Move to Carlisle then pal...
Why are JASON4QUEEN et al so anti-Scottish? It's vomit-inducing. And as for the balloon from Dumfries (my home town) who is happy with Border TV; he is the ONLY one who is. Absolute nonsense from the silly little unionist. Move to Carlisle then pal...
Posted by: Aelle on 10:57am Sun 5 Aug 07
I was about to mention the fact that a country with, blimey, 31 counties, starting at Caithness all the way to Wigtownshire, Orkney and Shetland, and still tagging along behind for 30 mins. after yer brother. Grow up!