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UK 2017: under surveillance

IT is a chilling, dystopian account of what Britain will look like 10 years from now: a world in which Fortress Britain uses fleets of tiny spy-planes to watch its citizens, of Minority Report-style pre-emptive justice, of an underclass trapped in sink-estate ghettos under constant state surveillance, of worker drones forced to take on the lifestyle and values of the mega-corporation they work for, and of the super-rich hiding out in gated communities constantly monitored by cameras and private security guards.

This Orwellian vision of the future was compiled on the orders of the UK's information commissioner - the independent watchdog meant to guard against government and private companies invading the privacy of British citizens and exploiting the masses of information currently held on each and every one of us - by the Surveillance Studies Network, a group of academics.

On Friday, this study, entitled A Report on the Surveillance Society, was picked over by a select group of government mandarins, politicians, police officers and academics in Edinburgh. It is unequivocal in its findings, with its first sentence reading simply: "We live in a surveillance society." The information commissioner, Richard Thomas, endorses the report. He says: "Today, I fear that we are, in fact, waking up to a surveillance society that is already all around us."

The academics who compiled the study based their vision of the future not on wild hypotheses but on existing technology, statements made about the intentions of government and private companies and studies by other think tanks, regulators, professional bodies and academics.

The report authors say that they believe the key theme of the future will be "pervasive surveillance" aimed at tracking and controlling people and pre-empting behaviour. The authors also say that their glimpse of the future is "fairly conservative. The future spelled out in the report is nowhere near as dystopian and authoritarian as it could be."

Here's how 2017 might look...

BorderGuard The Jones family are returning to Britain from holiday in America. "It's hard to know the difference between the two countries by what the family experience at the border," say the Surveillance Report authors. Britain, America, all EU countries and all members of the G10 have outsourced their immigration and border control services to massive private companies. In this vignette, the futurologists give the company the name BorderGuard.

Thanks to the never-ending war on terror, these governments have developed "smart borders" using hidden surveillance technologies. Cameras and scanners at passport control monitor faces, irises and fingerprints checking them off against records of biometric passports, or the British ID card system. BorderGuard has access to state and transnational databases and can also data-mine information on individuals - such as consumer transactions - via a paid-for service provided by specialist companies trading in information held on every individual in the land.

For families like the Joneses, crossing borders is relatively swift and painless. The wealth of information held on them means they can be quickly identified and processed. But citizens of nations not signed up to the BorderGuard scheme face hostile and lengthy investigations while crossing frontiers.

Racial profiling is now the norm. Asian features inevitably mean being pulled to one side - whether or not you carry a biometric passport or ID card.

Brandscapes Retail chains and mega-malls now use huge shared databases - which began with data-mining reward card information - to create a "brandscape" for every shopper.

Smart tags buried in a shopper's clothing "talk" to scanners in shops. The system then connects to consumer databases, revealing where the clothing was bought and by whom and what other purchases the person has made. The system knows who you are, where you live, what you like and don't like. Intelligent billboards at eye level then immediately flash up adverts dove-tailed to the consumer profile of the individual.

The wealthiest consumer-citizen can even become a "cashless shopper". For £200, a chip can be implanted in the human body which is loaded with a person's bank and credit details. From then on, it's their arm that will be scanned in a shop, not their credit card. "Cashless shoppers" also get first-class service in mega-malls, with special lounges, spas and massage facilities reserved only for them. Urban myths, however, are springing up that muggers are targeting these elite consumers and cutting the chip from their arms. There are also concerns about hackers being able to upload viruses to the chip or empty the chipholder's account.

Tagged Kids Scandals about child abductions and murders during school hours mean teachers prefer tagging a child to facing legal liability for their injury in a court. Drug testing in schools has also become an accepted part of life following pressure by the government to identify problem children earlier and earlier in life. What children eat in schools is also monitored by parents, as boys and girls are required to swipe their school card every time they visit the canteen. The card contains information on school attendance, academic achievement, drug-test results, internet access and sporting activities. The card's records are used to assess whether the child has passed or failed their citizenship programme.

Shops are also monitoring children in order to tap into the lucrative youth market."Children," the report says, "are gradually becoming socialised into accepting body surveillance, location tracking and the remote monitoring of their dietary intake as normal."

Elites and Proles Most cities are divided between gated private communities, patrolled by corporate security firms (which keep insurance costs to a minimum) and high-crime former council estates. On most estates, private companies are tasked to deal with social evils.

Offenders have the option of having a chip voluntarily implanted in their arm so they can be monitored at home using scanners and sensors. Estates can be subject to "area-wide curfews", following outbursts of antisocial behaviour, which ban anyone under 18 from entering or leaving the estate from dusk until dawn.

Community wardens armed with Tasers enforce the law. CCTV cameras can be viewed by residents at home on their television's security channel.

In gated communities, meanwhile, no-one can get in or out unless their car's number plate is authorised by the automatic number plate recognition (ANPR) devices located on gates. There are now so many ANPR cameras across the land that it's almost impossible to drive the length of a street without details of your car being logged by the state.

The aesthetics of surveillance Security has been "aestheticised" - incorporated into the design of architecture and infrastructure - so that it is almost unnoticeable now. "It is ubiquitous but it has disappeared," the report authors say. Anti-suicide-bomber bollards outside embassies and government buildings are secreted in the ground, only being activated in an emergency when passers-by breach the range of security sensors.

Anti-government protesters are monitored by small remote-control spy-planes, which were introduced for the 2012 London Olympics but remained a permanent fixture.

CCTV is now embedded at eye level in lamp-posts to enable the use of facial recognition technology.

Protest and virtual surveillance Following protests, individual demonstrators can be monitored by camera until private security contractors for the local authority in which the demo took place get a chance to question them. Helmet-mounted cameras scan the biometrics of anyone being questioned. All guards and police are also now monitored by surveillance devices in their handheld computers. Ironically, this has triggered civil liberties concerns within the police union.

The report uses two "protesters", Ben and Aaron, as an example of how police might treat dissenters. When they are taken into custody by private security guards in Westminster, Ben undergoes the usual DNA swab, which is analysed instantaneously, and hands over his ID card for scanning. ID cards are still theoretically voluntary, but not having one makes life almost impossible. Aaron is a refusenik and doesn't own a card. That means he can't apply for a government job or claim benefits or student loans. He can't travel by plane or even train. To make matters worse, Aaron is a young black man - meaning he is deemed a "high category suspect" and is routinely stopped and brought in to the nearest police station for questioning.

Once Ben is released, police monitoring systems piggy-back on his hand-held device to track him as he travels across the city. He's also been put on a communications watchlist which means all his internet and e-mail traffic is saved by his ISP and passed to police. As most phone calls are online now, police also get access to these communications as well.

Call centre drones Call centres monitor everything that staff do and surveillance information is used to recruit staff. Potential employees are subjected to biometric and psychometric testing, as well as lifestyle surveys. "Their lives outside work," the authors say, "and their background, are the subject of scrutiny. It is felt to be increasingly important that the lifestyle profile of the employee match those of the customers to ensure better customer service." Recruitment consultants now frequently discard any CV which does not contain volunteered health information.

Once hired, staff are subjected to sporadic biometric testing which point to potential health and psychological problems. Thanks to iris-scanning at a gym connected to the company, employees can be pulled up at annual assessments for not maintaining their health. Periodic psychometric testing also reveals if staff attitudes have changed and become incompatible with company values.

Big Brother is looking after you Homes in the ever-growing number of retirement villages are fitted with the "telecare" system, with motion detectors in every room, baths with inbuilt heart monitors, toilets which measure blood sugar levels and all rooms fitted with devices to detect fire, flood and gas leaks. Panic buttons are also installed in every room. Fridges have RFID scanners which tell the neighbourhood grocery store that pensioners are running short on provisions. The goods are then delivered direct to the doorstep.

Huge databases in hospitals are able to compare tests on patients throughout the country. This allows doctors to red-flag risk factors earlier than ever before, meaning that a patient's statistical risk of suffering, for example, a heart attack, are predicted with much greater accuracy. The NHS will be locked in a battle with insurance companies who want access to health information for commercial purposes. The temptation for the NHS is the large amounts of money on offer. The authors point out that Iceland sold its national DNA database to private companies for research and profit in 2004.

The data shadow Those rich enough can sign up to "personal information management services" (Pims) which monitor all the information that exists about an individual - a person's so-called "data shadow". The Pims system corrects incorrect information held by government or private companies.

Those who can't afford Pims have to live with the impact that incorrect data can have on their lives, such as faulty credit ratings. "Some are condemned to a purgatory of surveillance and an inability to access information," the report authors say.

But for other people total surveillance has become an accepted way of life. Some voluntarily carry out surveillance on their whole lives - so-called "life-logging" where an individual uploads online details in realtime about everything they do.

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Posted by: glasgowdave, glasgow on 9:04pm Sat 6 Oct 07
I'd like to say...
Well what's the point, you already know what we all think.
Posted by: Im not really here on 9:33pm Sat 6 Oct 07
It's all right! All long as you're not done anything wrong -
like refuse to have an ID Card (you must have something to hide, and we decide what you can and cannot hide);
be born some colour other than white (high risk category);
be born poor (can be ignored and civil liberties abused);
be born unhealthy (too costly to society);
vote against ruling party (May 3rd Election in Scotland required voting papers unfolded and presented face up, and each had a serial number linked to your entry in the voters role)

Have we already passed the stage where those waging the "war on terror" have themselves become the greater threat to society. Who has eroded your civil liberties more: Osama Bin Laden, or the US, UK and EU Governments.
Posted by: Labour Activist on 10:02pm Sat 6 Oct 07
Everyone raise your right hand,
Who doesn't think the way we do,
And everyone keep those hands raised,
While we get a good hard look at you.
Posted by: Labour Activist on 10:30pm Sat 6 Oct 07
Keep those arms raised,
The rest of you can go,
We'll deal with those dissenters,
In the only way we know.
Posted by: Labour Activist on 10:45pm Sat 6 Oct 07
Do not drop your hands,
Though the rest are now away,
You will believe what we believe,
Before you leave here today.

Posted by: Guga, Rockall on 2:19am Sun 7 Oct 07
This is just the road down which firstly Bliar, and now Maggie Broon, and the New Labour Numpty Party are heading. Maggie Broon wants his Ein Volk, Ein Reich, run by a bunch of control freaks and totalitarians.

It is only a matter of time, if we let them away with it, before they want to have us all micro-chipped. Then there will be sensors in every street keeping tabs on our every movement.

They can and already do monitor both our land-line and mobile calls, our internet usage and our e-mails. Not only that, but they let the yanks snoop on us too.

If anyone thinks total government surveillence of the population is harmless, think again. Not only can the information held in government databases be lost, stolen and sold, but it can be misused and abused by the government itself. Plus, of course, does anyone really think the government can be relied upon not to make any mistakes in the data they hold?

Not only that, but we obviously cannot rely upon our security services. We have seen a little of the incompetence of MI5 and Special Branch by, among other things, their shooting an unarmed and innocent man in the head, seven times.

Our only saving grace, if we don't stand up to this creeping totalitarianism, is that the government has shown itself to be highly incompetent at running very large computer systems.
Posted by: Fight back on 4:41am Sun 7 Oct 07
www.no2id.net
Posted by: fraser kelly, asia on 4:50am Sun 7 Oct 07
nonsense
they cant detect mad bombers
lord lucan
red rum
osama
the drug dealers in the streets
tv and tax evaders
benefit cheats
they will have to improve to get to orwellian standards
and we have to ditch trial by jury if we want this state as well-those pesky juries keep letting crims off because naebody likes the polis son!
Posted by: Im not really here on 6:25am Sun 7 Oct 07
fraser kelly, asia: You miss the point. Those you listed (with the exception of Red Rum, who must be one hell of an age now. Lucan is well in his 70's) are lawbreakers and fugitives. The controls proposed are presented to control the law-abiding citizens, under the LIE that it will protect them from the terrorists.

NONE of these laws and controls would have protected us, or prevented any of the bombings. The only successes that the security services have had is when the use profiling and go after identified targets, who are usually identified abroad, or from sources abroad first.

Up to the time of 9/11, 7/7 and the London and Glasgow bombings, all of the people responsible would have passed through any security checks involving ID cards, DNA checking, etc, etc.

These are measures are used by coward politicians to control a population they do not trust and who doesn't trust them. And after the news of today, that fits the profile of Chicken, Maggie Brown to a tee.
Posted by: Willie, New Labour Land of the Free on 6:31am Sun 7 Oct 07
State control and the fusion of government and big business is upon us already.

Welcome to the machine where Blair can take us on an illegal and ill conceved war one day and his successor who was his number two in the decision can then play politics with reducing troop numbers.

Yes we need surveilance on our every activity, health, DNA, lifstyle, tax, movement, house ownership - everything.

Well done Labour.
Posted by: Chiller on 7:12am Sun 7 Oct 07
England: cradle of liberty, and now its tomb.
Posted by: Morpheus, Everywhere on 7:43am Sun 7 Oct 07
You couldn't catch me at Heathrow then and you won't later.
Posted by: Terry, England on 7:51am Sun 7 Oct 07
"Show me your papers!"

Nazi Germany 1939? No, Nu Labour's England 2007.

R.I.P. Freedom and Privacy.
Posted by: Terry, England on 7:55am Sun 7 Oct 07
Oops, sorry folks! My last comment should read Britain not England.
Posted by: iang, Glasgow on 9:28am Sun 7 Oct 07
Terry wrote:
Oops, sorry folks! My last comment should read Britain not England.
No offence taken TErry, hopefully by 2017 it "England" would be correct! But yuo are most welcome to come join us up here! :-)
Posted by: jack on 9:56am Sun 7 Oct 07
I have been an avid science fiction reader since my early teens. It is frightening how much of what was then called hair-brained speculation is now mainstream technology.

Seeing as how so much of what was thought of as impossible is now among us, I'm thinking about Max Headroom's wacky look at the world where it is a punishable offence to turn off a tv-set, but more disturbingly: 'Ambient' by Jack Womack. Crap-your-pants time, brothers and sisters.

We have to generate a system that makes all the information specific to a person copyrighted material of which the person involved is the only rights holder. And then have whatever authority/company seeking that information have to spend stupid amounts of money to get their hands on it.

The window of opportunity for saving our rights is closing very fast. As soon as these systems are built, they are never going away. You won't be able to refrain or question the fact that you're part of an information system that wants to know all about you but tells you nothing about 'them'.

I'm very happy that I won't be seeing that day anymore as it's going to be a very sad day for humanity indeed.

There is one useful thing about the electronic society: since it's all digital the information itself has no intrinsic value. You can make it into anything you want it to be. So, as far as evidence goes: you try and prove that I did anything using your fancy tracing techniques. Anything can be falsified, nothing is true.

Here's your rallying call: NO TRUTH. There is no truth in anything. Everything is lies.
Posted by: Disgusted Dorothy, Glasgow on 11:35am Sun 7 Oct 07
May I draw your attention to an article in the Observer on free speech by Harry Porter.
It makes for very disturbing reading
Posted by: Yok Finney, Ross-shire on 11:43am Sun 7 Oct 07
When the Government is seperate and distinct from us, the governed, the people, they try to keep a monopoly of violence. They don't trust us at all and are putting "security cameras" all about. Has this made towns and cities are safer, more pleasant or reduced any violent crime? I haven't noticed it.

There are plenty of never people who've never done anything so they've nothing fear. They claim to go to work, (though they never don't pay attention and commit any road-traffic offences) where they've learned to pass the buck (then why aren't you playing for scottish rugby?) thus never being responsible for much or even anything at all.
Posted by: Disgusted Dorothy, Glasgow on 2:44pm Sun 7 Oct 07
Just read another tibit in the Times.
Lord Goldsmith is off to the states for a top job with a famous law firm! Nice!
That will be good for the UK,since he knows soooo much about this government.
Do we have a reciprocal extradition policy with the US just in case we require him to attend the Hague in a few years time?
Posted by: Disgusted Dorothy, Glasgow on 2:46pm Sun 7 Oct 07
Ooops! sorry wrong thread!(it's still very interesting don't you think?
Rats, sinking ships etc.etc!
Posted by: Disgusted Dorothy, Glasgow on 2:46pm Sun 7 Oct 07
Ooops! sorry wrong thread!(it's still very interesting don't you think?
Rats, sinking ships etc.etc!
Posted by: Disgusted Dorothy, Glasgow on 2:47pm Sun 7 Oct 07
Ooops! sorry wrong thread!(it's still very interesting don't you think?
Rats, sinking ships etc.etc!
Posted by: MacShimmy on 3:22pm Sun 7 Oct 07
Typical of the London mind - Who says there is going to be a UK on
2017!!!!!????
Posted by: dan, glasgow on 4:07pm Sun 7 Oct 07
Orwell would be spinning in his grave. We're already the most watched country in the world. I don't like the idea of some fat copper laughing at me on the street as I zip up my flies or scratch my arse, never mind have some fat copper stick a microchip up there.

I feel restricted in life to two options - become a political whizkid and start a really popular libertarian party, or move from Oceania to Eurasia, where they'll have voddie on the cheap. (if you have no idea what I'm on about, give 1984 a read)
Posted by: Michael Stewart, Glasgow on 5:03pm Sun 7 Oct 07
I don't think its fair on watching someone that is not your real freinds are, There are surveillance still exist today around the clock. They be at bar, cafes', shops, sitting insdie car(wacthing where you going- make calls to someone go in and find out), vans, acting surceillance, private buildings and country sides. Becareful who you are talking to you, they like to gain information from you what are you doing, where you going, no matter what conversation you want to talk about. Think twice befor you do, a number of operations schems are doing a daily base. The state system love make soneone lives hell, I think Scotland is not a safe place to go out at all becasue of surveillance on going on. The system is base on American intrest that orders Europe what should be doing.Thanks Bush!!
Posted by: notoriousjp, New York, US of A on 5:23pm Sun 7 Oct 07
I can imagine the slogan:
Chip the chavs!! ASBO for life!!
and what will become of the pastime of dogging? Little spy-copters hovering over the action with coppers huddling around the monitor back at the station. Hey, that's my wife!!!
But I think there will be riots and anarchy when people had enough. As for us in Yankistan? We will have a bigger cage to run about in, that's all....
Posted by: libertarian on 5:41pm Sun 7 Oct 07
I think you are all being too gloomy. A urveillance society depends on the co-operation of its citizens. I think we are reaching the stage where people have had enough, and the ID card scheme may well be that watershed moment. We just refuse to carry them.
Posted by: Winston Smith, Free Scotland on 6:08pm Sun 7 Oct 07
The British government seems to think this will end crime and destroy terrorism. It wont. But in such a totalitarian surveillance state an armed struggle, based on guerilla warfare, would be the only option left to an enslaved population who wanted freedom and privacy. Is this really what the UK government hopes to provoke?
Posted by: GunShowOnTheNet, Phoenix, AZ. on 6:52pm Sun 7 Oct 07
Magna Carta
http://gunshowonthen
et.com/SecondAmend/M
agnaCarta.html

1689 Bill of Rights
http://gunshowonthen
et.com/SecondAmend/E
nglishBillofRights16
89.html

"This law of nature, being coeval with mankind, and dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe in all countries, and at all times: no human laws are of any validity, if contrary to this; and such of them as are valid derive all their force and all their authority, mediately or immediately, from this original."

"Upon these two foundations, the law of nature and the law of revelation, depend all human laws; that is to say, no human laws should be suffered to contradict these."

"...The fifth and last auxiliary right of the subject, that I shall at present mention, is that of having arms for their defense, suitable to their condition and degree, and such as are allowed by law. Which is also declared by the same statute I W. & M. st.2. c.2. and is indeed a public allowance, under due restrictions, of the natural right of resistance and self-preservation, when the sanctions of society and laws are found insufficient to restrain the violence of oppression."

- William Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1765–1769.

Posted by: Americano, Austin, TX on 7:03pm Sun 7 Oct 07
With the constant increase in technology I see daily it is without a doubt upon us now. I just seen a freakin' automated shopping center being perfected in Germany on television all based on internet and scanning items. The buying and selling thing will be linked to IDs soon enough. Crazy! Anonymity is out the window and this damnable fake war on terror is a tool to bring about the ultimate society control machine.

To those that remember all the protests around the world before Bush still went into Iraq; did any of those protests work? Think about it. Hundreds of thousands of people in just about every country held marches, demonstrations, and rallies, but the freakin' governments thought they new better than the people and still invaded. So do you think that protesting IDs and surveillance is going to stop them. Wake up! It is going to take a considerably more fierce stance by the people of all nations to stand against this plot.

The only way they will get the American people to take these IDs is by declaring Martial Law. But another terrible atrocity will be staged for this to happen. When the government here decides to send Blackwater and FEMA in to take weapons, mark my words, that will be the beginning of another civil war. I am totally against violence too. But, if someone comes into my home trying to make my family submit to anything like what is mentioned in the cited report, they will not be leaving my residence peacefully.
Posted by: bla, blabla on 9:35pm Sun 7 Oct 07
this only touches the surface of what they have instore & the good sheeple will welcome with more phony terrorist attacks & maybe even a few nukes flying off towards iran.yes folks welcome too the year 2000 what progress we have made :S google eugenics,then ask your self why they want everyone on a dna database.
Posted by: Richard, UK on 9:38pm Sun 7 Oct 07
Interesting article though they FORGOT one key factor ..... TAX.
A MAJOR driving force in implementing tracking and surveillance in the UK, from experience is to extract from the citizen "tax" until they can be taxed no more. Various RF tags are on London cars, to extract residential parking bay tax, or congestion charge tax. And in future GPS tagged road tax usage.
Posted by: Pavel Chichikov, Washington DC USA on 9:52pm Sun 7 Oct 07
The comments in this venue are probably being surveilled.

To put six billion or so people under surveillance would be a tall order, and perhaps 2017 is a bit early for that, but sooner or later the idea of it will occur.

But it may also be true that societies in which draconian measures of social control are applied will be societies which are less adaptive, less fit to compete with societies which are not so controled.

There may be an attempt to strike a balance between control and flexibility.

Still, it does seem as if the human species may be approaching the point at which it will abolish itself.

Machines next. As soon as they become reproductive.
Posted by: M Johnson, IOW on 10:10pm Sun 7 Oct 07
Jobs for the boys
Posted by: Lobeydosser, Woodlands Road on 10:54pm Sun 7 Oct 07
Ma horse has twa legs but he still has a heid and a'budy knows him and he has nay privacy.

My point is the surveillance society is here, now. Gone are the days when the police can use their discression on things; it is by the book no grey areas; And they are driven this way because of us. Think about it for a moment...the time the policeman let you off with speeding or getting a bit drunk and being a bit loud these days are starting to disappear, the police are being measured (maybe on not the things they sould be getting measured on) and coming up with conviction rates which do not reflect the real problem, but they now have your details (& DNA) on their database when in the past you would have been "told to get on your way" and nothing more would have been said. The police now have all your details for a real misdemeanour which now has the gravity of something more serious. The police have better things to do but they are dragged into this unwillingly by the politicians who are the ones really wanting to control our lives.
Posted by: Robert Campbell, Whitehall on 11:11pm Sun 7 Oct 07
There's one fundamental issue that commentators on this subject fail to consider. To maintain the massive surveillance state requires massive resources. In an age where we are about to see total 'energy descent' in our lifetimes and the collapse of the globalized, energy-hungry, consumption-corporat
ion state...the means to sustain such a vast spying machine will simply dissolve before our (iris-scanned) eyes. When ex-government ministers are tending to their pigs in a run down impromptu allotment in some dangerous-to-go-out-
in-daylight part of Kensington, and hoping their kids make it through the coming winter...they won't have much concern for the rusting, disconnected street cameras or discarded ID cards rotting in the gutter.
Posted by: notoriousjp, New York, US of A on 11:27pm Sun 7 Oct 07
The security state:
From "A Clockwork Orange"

"Jobs for those of job age: the police"
Posted by: Pavel Chichikov, Washington DC USA on 11:51pm Sun 7 Oct 07


Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

"Jobs for those of job age: the police"
Posted by: Dave, Glasgow on 11:55pm Sun 7 Oct 07
This article is about a report from 2006.
http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/uk/6108496.st
m
The report : http://www.privacyco
nference2006.co.uk/f
iles/report_eng.pdf
Posted by: Sauros, California on 12:53am Mon 8 Oct 07
The death of privacy merely presages that of the herd. Logic dictates the legitimate Power monopoly of The State can only be maintained with such technology. Overpopulation--the potential for competition of the horde against the ruling elite--demands first containment (death of privacy, progressive micromanagement and regimentation), then culling. Everyone has something to hide, and The State is gradually letting you all know that your services are no longer required. Your liberation is at hand.
Posted by: C. Wernerhoff, Sydney, Australia on 1:34am Mon 8 Oct 07
What I want to know is when was it put to the British people at an election as to whether or not they wanted to turn their country into a 'surveillance society.'

Answer: the people were never asked. Proving once again that there is no democracy in Britain and that the elites decide, as they have always done, what policies the governments pursue with complete and utter disregard for what the people actually want.
Posted by: CARY G DEAN, ISLE OF WIGHT on 4:35am Mon 8 Oct 07
As most people here have aready said forget about 10 year's down the road we are already their, I live on a well known southern holiday island and as yet it's not too bad here, not like electronic prison city's like London, god know's how bad it's going to get for them in 5 year's when they hold the Olympic Games.
Posted by: P Watson on 6:08am Mon 8 Oct 07
See where democracy leads to? Anyway it will all be over by December 2012 so rather than fretting about Big Brother perhaps people should do as the old saying of the 18th and 19th century (often seen on plates in the home) stated: Prepare to Meet Thy God.
Posted by: augustus draconious, america on 6:18am Mon 8 Oct 07
what a brave new world we are coming upon! ubiquitous surveillance is an excellent idea. if you aren't doing anything wrong you have nothing to fear. all hail Dominus!
Posted by: Craig on 10:40am Mon 8 Oct 07
David Icke is Right.
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engagements, weddings and funerals.

We at SF recently contacted UGLE (United Grand Lodge of England) and GLOS (grand Lodge of Scotland) and the top Masons at Rosslyn Chapel and others. We invited this "good charitable fraternity of men" to talk to talk to their victims in front of a live audience and cameras, no response. SF's offer is still available.

For further information please checkout www.secondfamily-uk.
com or www.bilderberg.org/m
asons.htm or
www.sacl.info or www.stopcovertwar.co
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Payments made out to Joe Stirling at 93 Ashburn Rd, Glasgow G62 7PQ or you can contact SF near you at SF, 4 Maes Tegid, Bala, Gwynedd LL23 7BF or SF, 68 Middlepart Cres, Ayrshire KA21 6LN or SF, 26 Radleigh Gdns, Kent ME1 2QR, SF, 10 Picton ST, Bristol BS6 5QA, or SF, 34 Mansfield Rd, Edinburgh EH14 7LF or SF, 20 Carlcroft, Tamworth B77 4DL or SF, 59 Rae St, Fife KY4 8LA or SF, 1 Spa Cottages, Cumbria CA7 8AL or SF, 70 Byron Lodge Est, Seaham, Co. Durham SR7 0JY or SF, 26 Shobden Rd, London N17 7PG. If you do write, please get a free proof of posting from the Post Office You can call or text mobiles 07834 329 287 or 07799 612 227 or our Glasgow landline 0141 560 4743. You can email us at voacs@mac.com or stanboy@hushmail.com Make sure you get a reply from us as the crooked Masons will try to stop you from getting through. They are protecting their plunder.

If you are happy being controlled by a criminal organisation, you can either sit and take it (colony of cash generators for Freemasonry) or you can join/support Second Family (UK) to fight for your future and freedom. We all have to expose these crooks to everyone, please copy/send/distribute
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In the public interest

Did you know that your local Masonic Lodge and the Lodges within the authorities (council/police) are all houses of corruption ? We pay for these. SF have overwhelming proof. Did you also know that "Freemasons Are The Ultimate Criminal Cowards" ?, They collectively persecute people in a way that only the "Masonic Perps" (perpetrators) and their victim know what's happening. Freemasonry uses all races, old and young people, women (Eastern Star - female Masons). When you talk to a Mason, you are talking to two people. This could be your immediate family, best friend, Politician, Doctor, Police, Judge, Armed Forces, Barrister, Emergency Services, etc. Do you think it's right that the Masons are above or abuse the law ????

We at SF have plans to put all victims stories online (no holds barred) for the whole world to see. If you are a crooked Mason and you don't want a mention, you can join or support SF. This will help us to change the world into a better place. We are not into revenge. The practice of Freemasonry must be stopped. How can a person ever trust another fellow human being after learning about this evil ? Society is rotten to the core with this poison.

Here are the Masons symbolic (occultic) numbers 3, 7, 9, 11, 13, 19, 33, 39, 66, 333, 555, 666, 777 and multiples of these, i.e, 956 = 9/11 or 758 = 7/13 or 344 = 3/11 etc. Masons will live at these numbers or in their phone numbers or vehicle registrations. Lots more on how to spot the crooked Masons in our regular free newsletters.

Freemasons are the invisible terrorists within the local community. They could literally clear up crime in 24 hours with the technology available. We pay for it and they get to abuse it. Did you know that 90% of Taxi
Drivers are Masons. They see, hear and relay all movement and conversation straight back to the Lodge.
Forget worrying about the I.D. cards and eventual Microchip, your mobile phone is your 24/7 electronic tag. They already know your every move and calls since you bought one. Now, don't get us wrong, we all need security and we do respect the non-Masonic government officials and non-Masonic professional people. Freemasonry is illegal under International Law, Humanitarian Law and Common Sense Law.

We at SF have started sending this information to the neighbours of Masons. We fully intend to name and shame all Masons to their families, friends, neighbours, colleagues and relatives. The FM perpetrators, infiltrators and spoilers deserve their name to go down in history as the most evil, vile, despicable things that ever breathed on this planet. They do not like us doing this, but then, Masons don't mind secretly destroying families for self gain. It is seriously in the public interest to ban the practice of Secret Societies. You, your family and the planets immediate future depends on your knowledge or ignorance. open your eyes.

Freemasonry is such a wonderful organisation and they say they do good in the community (illusion)
OK, why do the members have to pay ? why the secrets ? why the evil divide and conquer tactics ? why the vicious fabricated rumours by getting Masons and non-Masons to hate a local targeted victim ? (all local evil Masons watch the victim and their family being destroyed). Masons also say the victim is a brother "gone wrong" so that all the local "pretend brothers" will collectively persecute. This is undiluted evil and can easily be let loose on anyone, top Mason or not. Why can't good be done for free ? Why not the whole community ? instead of chosen candidates (Masons cherry pick their slaves). Second Family (UK) is "FREE" to all.

A Freemason is a fool and a tool to be used by the establishment. There are 5 million Masons worldwide paying money (crooked Masonic businesses pay lots more) to the very wealthy American/Israelis families.
This is where the gigantic amounts of cash go every week. What idiot would want to make the rich even richer ? All we can say to Masons is that when you were born, you knew nothing. Why don't you ask your organisation for answers. Beware of one sided answers. Get online and do your own research.

Now here is the really serious part. This is their Achilles. If someone you suspect of being part of this FM criminal organisation, how do you find out ? You can't, the Masons won't tell you, this is their illegal (above the law) protection (UGLE, GLOS and Rosslyn Chapel will ignore your request) SF could help you find out. Why can't we have a public register of Masons ? (SF has one, get our newsletter) we don't want a register of any other group or organisation. There is only one way to stop them and that is to work like them, without the ulterior motives. They just hate the word transparency, it makes them cringe, can't think why. SF is becoming a focused, professional collective. This is why we started Second Family (UK), to help and educate each other, fighting for FR33DOM. The secret societies are inherently wrong and totally unethical.

Incidentally, we send this leaflet and our newsletter to all newspapers, MP's and affiliated groups worldwide.
Please remember that we at SF can back up absolutely everything we say. This is why we want a live debate with the FMs. Second Family (UK) hates no one, hatred doesn't work. Unfortunately the Masons defend their trillion, trillion (hugely underestimated) crimes against the planet and it's contents, FMs try to defend the indefensible. They are protecting their plunder. If they are supposed to be a good charitable fraternity of men, why the false taboo ? why are their victims in constant fear for their lives ? and why would they keep taking down every comment or website that reveals or says anything about them ?

On top of all this, Freemasonry is witchcraft. This is common knowledge all over the internet. This human virus is brainwashing people all over the world (especially poor people in desperate countries) every day. This is to protect the world's richest families and bloodlines.

We at Second Family (UK) claim to be the only genuine, independent support group for victims of Freemasonry in the UK. We have nothing to hide and can back everything up no problem at all. If you know any Masons, please forward their details for our "SF's Public Register Of Masons" We will investigate just to make sure there is no malice by other Masons or others. It's not all bad news, everyone on the internet is waking up to this evil, their are huge anti - Mason groups and websites all over the world. Also checkout U-Tube, Google, Guba, etc, or just follow the links SF has given you. Never be intimidated by Freemasonry (false taboo & gobble de gook) if you are not sure, you can always double check with us.

This text is brought to you by Joe Stirling (a founding member of SF) a veteran victim of this evil calculated derangement. I have no idea why I have been persecuted. None of the SF victims know why. But we do have concrete evidence to prove its the Masons. Everyone has the right to reply, please be focused and sensible. Please join or support Second Family (UK) to help us all. SF doing real good in the community

We all have to expose these crooks to everyone, please copy/send/distribute
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Posted by: Mike Mitchell, Spalding on 12:17pm Mon 8 Oct 07
If you want to be REALLY concerned, have a search for:
"A New Proposal for Governing Britain"
Posted by: Mike Mitchell, Spalding on 12:30pm Mon 8 Oct 07
Romania had the right response when it despatched the Ceausescus. There comes a point when the people have their say, even though a tad self-indulgent.
Posted by: Roger, Brunai on 1:26pm Mon 8 Oct 07
Decide, good people, what it is that you do want - then demand and demand. Create and grow a movement. Forget the pathetic peace movements, save the whale malarkeys and global warming garbage - rather, strike at the root. Demand alternative monetary systems, economies within economies, so that you can choose whether the corporate slavery applies to you or not. The Bank of England is a privately controlled company who prints your money out of thin air, which you then owe back to them, with interest. That is the root of it all - get rid of that utter nonsense and complete lunacy and you will find that the rest falls away automatically. There is a sick psychosis running through those evil bloodlines, a class of people who's every thought is of subversion of rights, dominance, control and utter power. You can't fight them, but you can demand not to be part of their system. It was tolerable when it was mere corporate slavery, but having absolutely no freedoms whatsoever - even "thought crimes" exist ... that's a different kettle of fish. Now is the time - of your last stand. In the not too distant future, wars will be fought, police states will be enforced, dictatorship will be complete and 2017 will be brought forward quite a few years ... perhaps it is waiting in the wings to be instituted at the first viable excuse - like war on Iran, which will be a global war. Perhaps that's what all the noise is about.

Hopefully there is someone with a backbone who can step forward and make the first public statement. Hopefully he survives a few days. Hopefully people wake up.
Posted by: Voland, Caen, France on 1:49pm Mon 8 Oct 07
Remember Magna Carta! Did she die in vain?
Posted by: Adheeb Mahut, Philadelphia, PA USA on 1:54pm Mon 8 Oct 07
The reason the people of the western world need to be monitored so closely is that they have allowed non-westerners to infiltrate their societies to the point of becoming a true and real threat. When these people take society over, the monitoring will stop because you will cease to be a threat to them.
Posted by: MichaelAlcandor on 2:07pm Mon 8 Oct 07
England is hell on earth. I wouldn't live in England if you paid me a million dollars. England is a freemasonic police state hell hole.I hope it ends soon.
Posted by: wmmott, USA on 2:28pm Mon 8 Oct 07
Joe Stirling:

Well, which is it--the Jews or the Masons? Who is it that controls the media, the government, etc.: the Zionists, or the heirs of the Knights Templar?

A couple of questions for you: Did you know that both of these lame-**** blame-game lines are ancient forms of generalized hatred without basis, and have long been espoused by Muslims on the jihad warpath? Also, did you know that Freemasons are FORBIDDEN to speak up in their own defense against slander and libel, and b.s. innuendo in general? Since I'm not one, I have no problem in setting your dumb **** straight on this, along with any other knobs out there who spout such garbage.

Blame, blame, blame. Gotta blame somebody for your lack of courage in standing up for your rights, right? Gotta blame the "war on terror" due to your own gutlessness in the face of radical islamic aggression, eh? Blame the drivers of SUVs and Bush on Kyoto for "global warming" hysteria/drivel, but don't forget to blame all the SUV-driving aliens out in the solar system for the rampant "global warming" that every single planet and rock in this same system is currently experiencing (and don't blame the big ball of thermonuclear gas-fire at the center of the whole thing, right, Einstein?).

If you want to keep your freedoms, stand up and fight for them. Whining and spouting baseless conspiracy theories won't preserve a thing.

Grow a set.
Posted by: Murf, London, UK on 2:54pm Mon 8 Oct 07
As an American living in the UK, I can only say (in addition to my general disgust), WHAT DID YOU FOLKS EXPECT?? You gave up your guns because "only bad guys have guns." Well, that is true, because the only gun owners now are the criminals and the government, both bad guys.

If you didn't resist the creeping doom of totalitarianism, surveillance, etc. armed, what are you all going to do about it now that you are disarmed little slaves!? The WHOLE POINT of an armed citizenry has nothing to do with hunting. Defence against criminals is a valid, important, but secondary concern (though by every measure, it has become clear that in disarming the law abiding citizens of the UK, it has become a total playground for armed criminals, and crime has skyrocketed in just about every category, including gun murders since). The point of armed citizens is to be able to resist the government in extremis.

Authority of all kinds is ultimately enforced with the threat or use of violence. Those who would avoid the abuse of deranged authority must have the means to threaten or respond to violence themselves. Absent that, there is NO check, or potential check, on an ammoral tyrant or the agents of the State, who are armed and act under legal authority (though not always under any moral authority).

At the point Brits gave up their guns to leave the government a total monopoly on the means of force, they guaranteed that whatever the government could do, it eventually WOULD do, in any arena it wants. In the end the government goes "too far" or beyond the ability of the UK public to tolerate its policies, whatever they may be, what are ANY of you going to do? The option for wide spread armed resistance is just GONE here, just gone.

You might want to notice that the first thing the Nazis did, long before the "final solution" was to number (register) guns, then Jews, then disarm the Jews (then almost all of the rest of Germans). At that point, there was nothing the Jews or the average German could do to resist. It didn't happen instantly, but at the point the people were disarmed, the abuse of freedom sped up incredibly. Well, here in the UK it is still early days. We just don't have camps...yet. Absent even the remotest chance of facing lethal force or an insurrection, you just tell me what stops a government bent on "exceeding its mandate?" What are the UK citizens going to do when the police come to drag them from their beds and execute them for writing a blog that insults the ruling power? Will harsh language save you? Will protesting help? Do you think the cops won't follow immoral orders? History has demonstrated that it is a virtual certainty that those in the police and the military who are paid by the government will follow their orders, whatever the orders. Mutiny, especially wide spread mutiny is almost unheard of (especially regarding suppressing internal dissent). This is not any different in the Anglo-Saxon countries. It is a rare police man who will walk away and lose a career or face the ire of his police fellows rather than just wade in and bust dissident skulls with the rest of them.

History has spoken on this issue again and again, in every culture and about every nation. Only armed are you a citizen, unarmed you are a subject. There is no freedom without the ability to defend it, especially in the face of violence from those who run the show. Only the threat of violence, even if it is just wayyy in the background is sufficient to restrain those whose appetite for power exceeds their morality. Once the people are disarmed, the government then goes about treating them like the sheep they have become, and it no longer even needs to pretend to take the people's will into account anymore. This is Britain, and much of the world today. You can have no freedom without private arms, and the liberties lost will happen faster and faster because it truly has become a matter of "what are you going to do about it, hey, punk?!"
Posted by: chester on 3:02pm Mon 8 Oct 07
Has no one read George Orwells book 1984? Its not about whether your doing something wrong. It that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. You can't trust anyone with that kind of power. They will then determine who is and who is not an enemy of the State. "Anyone who would give up freedom for security deserves neither.", "Benjamin Franklin". This consolidates power in the hands of a few people which will set the stage for the Anti-Christ. Those who follow will have to take on the ID that the Anti-Christ requires for you to purchase anything. Its coming and very soon.
Posted by: mark, London on 3:28pm Mon 8 Oct 07
Gordon Brown has a vision for change, he says, and now needs time to see it through.

People think it won't happen in their lifetime, but its already begun.

Take the Oyster Card for London Transport ?
Now we have Barclay's Oyster-style credit card that will allows consumers to pay for low-value transactions by simply swiping the card over a reader was launched in London the other day.

time to leave this country.
Posted by: Barry Bright, Taylor County, Kentucky, CSA on 4:09pm Mon 8 Oct 07
You Brits failed to begin killing "Liberals" when they told you to turn in your guns. Now you're paying the well deserved price for your cowardice.

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Posted by: Hope Muntz, Washington DC USA on 5:02pm Mon 8 Oct 07
A typical piece of sensationalism pandering to those with only the faintest notion current of technology and even less common sense. A few points to consider:

If the 'surveillance society' has already arrived, why do criminals (not to mention radical terrorist groups) operate with relative impunity witin the UK? Why are gun-related crimes at an all-time high if there is 'CCTV on every corner'?

If 'private contractors' were more efficient at screening borders, then why was this task not out-sourced long ago--under Thatcher, for example? Answer: because they do an even poorer job than Customs & Immigration and for even more money.

Why on earth should citizens of the UK (and by implication, the US) care if 'non-citizens' are subjected to more rigorous screening? All the technological advances cited can only sound extremely pleasant to today's harried but law-abiding air-traveler; the dire warnings that these benefits will exist only for the wealthy are merely old-fashioned 30s socialism. Should anti-cancer drugs, for example, be denied the 'wealthy Westerner' until such distant time as they are readily available to the poorest Burmese tribesperson? The authors of this report seem to suffer from terminal confusion regarding the sovereignty of the UK, its place in the EU, and the EU's status within a greater 'globalism'. Fair enough, since this confusion is mirrored in all of the UK's media--but a further reason this report is useless. Your borders are already open.

The dire predictions of 'megacorporation' meddling in the private health of employees comes truer