Houseproud husbands can help cut the divorce rate The couple that cleans together, stays together, say researchers By Kate Smith IT IS the season of goodwill to all men, but it's also the time of year when relationships are most likely to buckle under the strain of domestic pressures to be the perfect host or have the perfect house.
While the man of the house might take a lead role in preparing Christmas lunch, what counts for a happy relationship is a year-round commitment to housework, according to research.
Families in which the man does his fair share of the domestic chores are less likely to end in divorce than those in which the man puts his feet up while his partner does the work.
Modern relationships with both partners as breadwinners are put under strain when the woman is also expected to take on the traditional unpaid roles of homemaker and primary carer.
"Families in which men engage in housework are less likely to divorce," said Dr Wendy Sigle-Rushton of the London School of Economics and a member of the Gender Equality Network.
"This suggests that the active involvement of men in housework can offset the effect women's employment may have on the likelihood of divorce.
"When men take on domestic work, the likelihood decreases to a similar level to that found in couples with a traditional division of labour. What explains the link between women's employment and divorce is the inequality in the division of both paid and unpaid labour."
Families whose first child was born in 1970 were studied by researchers funded by the Economic Social Research Council. Those with working mothers were more likely to divorce, apart from those where the man was regularly committed to domestic chores and childcare.
Sigle-Rushton adds: "We know that female employment, and mother's employment in particular, can create stress and conflict in partnerships where women are largely responsible for domestic work and childcare. But most research seems to ignore the idea that men could compensate for the women's double burden by helping around the house."
Often housework is a flashpoint in a relationship rather than the sticking point, said Denise Knowles, a counsellor with 17 years' experience with marriage guidance charity Relate.
"Who does what and when really does create conflict in a relationship, particularly when both people are at work," said Knowles. "There are always a number of greater problems in a marriage, but housework is a physical manifestation of those problems. Housework is a real flashpoint for families, especially over Christmas.
"Unfortunately, even in a relationship where both work, the men often believe that the domestic duties are still the responsibility of the woman.
"Thanks to television chefs such as Gordon Ramsay men are more likely to get involved in cooking these days, but childcare, ironing and other chores are a sticking point.
"On both sides it is about feeling valued for what you contribute to the household. What does work is if the woman says help me with the chores and we can spend more time together'. It is also counterproductive to be constantly critical, accept that your partner may not be able to clean the hob to your standards."
Knowles said that, with the Christmas season approaching, if a woman feels she is being left to all the domestic chores she should speak up.
"Get others to get involved. Don't do the big martyr thing of trying to be the perfect wife. Delegate tasks and ask for help, then you will get a chance to enjoy yourself too and you are less likely to snap."
Divorce rates in Britain rose sharply from the early-1960s and stabilised at a high level since the mid-1980s. Over the same period the number of women in the labour market increased dramatically.
Nobel prize winner Garry Becker said in the 1990s that the most stable marriages or relationships are those where there are clear lines between breadwinner and homemaker as both tasks are done more efficiently.
He argued that the advantage from women's greater financial independence was "lost" to the dilution of task specialisation, making divorce more likely.
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Posted by: Parson Jim, San Diego, CA USA on 1:15am Sun 16 Dec 07
Women who engage in oral sex on a regular basis with their husbands also have lower divorce rates.
I am sure the "Gender Equality Network" is unaware of this statistic.
Women who engage in oral sex on a regular basis with their husbands also have lower divorce rates.
I am sure the "Gender Equality Network" is unaware of this statistic.
Posted by: divorced jim on 2:02am Sun 16 Dec 07
its a womens job to keep the house clean, a mans job is to put the bread on the table. now, because this does not happen much, we have masculine women and feminized men. i am happily divorced from one of these women, and will never make the mistake again.
its a womens job to keep the house clean, a mans job is to put the bread on the table. now, because this does not happen much, we have masculine women and feminized men. i am happily divorced from one of these women, and will never make the mistake again.
Posted by: Jones, MN USA on 2:54am Sun 16 Dec 07
I have been in a wonderful relationship for quite some time now with a man who is not by any stretch of the imagination a "feminized man". An offensive lineman, corrections officer, and skilled huntsman, my fiance is 6'6" and 355 lbs. He is not a girly man at all. He does, however, know how to operate the washing machine, the dishwasher, and the vacuum cleaner. He's also very good at doing whatever needs to be done in the way of chores. It's both our jobs to keep our home clean and put bread on the table, and we share both tasks with enthusiasm and love. It's too bad that some men haven't stepped up to the plate and been true partners in their relationships; I can testify that the rewards greatly exceed the effort (and yes, he does get "oral sex" from time to time, but then - so do I!) Those who have issues with it might want to grow up and join the twenty first century.
I have been in a wonderful relationship for quite some time now with a man who is not by any stretch of the imagination a "feminized man". An offensive lineman, corrections officer, and skilled huntsman, my fiance is 6'6" and 355 lbs. He is not a girly man at all. He does, however, know how to operate the washing machine, the dishwasher, and the vacuum cleaner. He's also very good at doing whatever needs to be done in the way of chores. It's both our jobs to keep our home clean and put bread on the table, and we share both tasks with enthusiasm and love. It's too bad that some men haven't stepped up to the plate and been true partners in their relationships; I can testify that the rewards greatly exceed the effort (and yes, he does get "oral sex" from time to time, but then - so do I!) Those who have issues with it might want to grow up and join the twenty first century.
Posted by: scho, usa on 3:02am Sun 16 Dec 07
What kind of lazy asshat still thinks its a womens job to do all the household chores?
Hell I wouldn't blame any women who dumps a turd like that, sheeet... this is the f**king 21st century dudes, get off your lazy **** and help around the f**king house.
What kind of lazy asshat still thinks its a womens job to do all the household chores?
Hell I wouldn't blame any women who dumps a turd like that, sheeet... this is the f**king 21st century dudes, get off your lazy **** and help around the f**king house.
Posted by: jb, GA on 3:19am Sun 16 Dec 07
There are some thing that are left out when describing the man as "The bread winner". Although he does ussually make the most money. He also is the one that does the things the women cannot, and will not. HE is the one that gets out and changes the tire in the rain when you have a flat. He is the one that moves the heavy things the wife cannot, reaches for the high things on the shelf, opens the tight lids, does all the hard work, in the yard, takes out the trash, checks the oil and collant in the automobiles. So the wife does not blow the engine because "its not her job" to check that "stuff". When the ship goes down its "all women and children first" in the life boat. So if the women does the domestic chores, so be it.
There are some thing that are left out when describing the man as "The bread winner". Although he does ussually make the most money. He also is the one that does the things the women cannot, and will not. HE is the one that gets out and changes the tire in the rain when you have a flat. He is the one that moves the heavy things the wife cannot, reaches for the high things on the shelf, opens the tight lids, does all the hard work, in the yard, takes out the trash, checks the oil and collant in the automobiles. So the wife does not blow the engine because "its not her job" to check that "stuff". When the ship goes down its "all women and children first" in the life boat. So if the women does the domestic chores, so be it.
Posted by: Guga, Rockall on 4:54am Sun 16 Dec 07
This is just a continuation of the old feminist bulldust.
How many women do you hear of lying under the car, pulling the gear box out to repair it? How many women do you know that do all the household repairs? How many women do the hard work in the garden?
What these women want is not equality, what they want is dominance. They should go back to acting like women, not diesel dykes, they might find themselves a decent man that way.
This is just a continuation of the old feminist bulldust.
How many women do you hear of lying under the car, pulling the gear box out to repair it? How many women do you know that do all the household repairs? How many women do the hard work in the garden?
What these women want is not equality, what they want is dominance. They should go back to acting like women, not diesel dykes, they might find themselves a decent man that way.
Posted by: Sam, Glasgow on 5:36am Sun 16 Dec 07
well I would never have guessed how this story would be commented on :-)
well I would never have guessed how this story would be commented on :-)
Posted by: wendyann on 6:11am Sun 16 Dec 07
I would suggest that the 'gentlemen' on this forum perhaps are alone and I urge you to go back to your one-handed mouse action and frequent the sites you usually do. Intelligent debate is beyond you.
I would suggest that the 'gentlemen' on this forum perhaps are alone and I urge you to go back to your one-handed mouse action and frequent the sites you usually do. Intelligent debate is beyond you.
Posted by: Deek, Glasgow on 6:48am Sun 16 Dec 07
I am content to do the housework in my gaff, and yes, my girlfriend sometimes rewards this effort with a gobble
I am content to do the housework in my gaff, and yes, my girlfriend sometimes rewards this effort with a gobble
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 7:13am Sun 16 Dec 07
The male chauvinist definition of a perfect wife is "a deaf and dumb nymphomaniac that owns a pub".
The male chauvinist definition of a perfect wife is "a deaf and dumb nymphomaniac that owns a pub".
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 7:13am Sun 16 Dec 07
The male chauvinist definition of a perfect wife is "a deaf and dumb nymphomaniac that owns a pub".
The male chauvinist definition of a perfect wife is "a deaf and dumb nymphomaniac that owns a pub".
Posted by: Daggo, Inverness on 9:26am Sun 16 Dec 07
Notice quickly and easily the lady commenters here traduce every male with vile, abusive insults. (see wendyann and scho usa)
They'd never dream of talking like that about blacks. If anyone use generalised language like that against women, how long would it take before the squeals of outrage?
How long before we would hear how "offended" they were and how the use of such language proved how irredeemable, men are?
Notice quickly and easily the lady commenters here traduce every male with vile, abusive insults. (see wendyann and scho usa)
They'd never dream of talking like that about blacks. If anyone use generalised language like that against women, how long would it take before the squeals of outrage?
How long before we would hear how "offended" they were and how the use of such language proved how irredeemable, men are?
Posted by: TBR, Inverness on 1:18pm Sun 16 Dec 07
I'm a man who used to help around the house a lot. It was never good enough or right or the way she would do it, so I got nagged at horribly and constantly when I helped. The nagging is worse when I help then when I don't. Now if you had a choice of beeing nagged at when you do housework after a long day at work, or being nagged at for not doing housework after a long day at work which would you choose?
I'm a man who used to help around the house a lot. It was never good enough or right or the way she would do it, so I got nagged at horribly and constantly when I helped. The nagging is worse when I help then when I don't. Now if you had a choice of beeing nagged at when you do housework after a long day at work, or being nagged at for not doing housework after a long day at work which would you choose?
Posted by: clare, lanarkshire on 2:24pm Sun 16 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Guga[/bold] wrote:
This is just a continuation of the old feminist bulldust. How many women do you hear of lying under the car, pulling the gear box out to repair it? How many women do you know that do all the household repairs? How many women do the hard work in the garden? What these women want is not equality, what they want is dominance. They should go back to acting like women, not diesel dykes, they might find themselves a decent man that way.[/quote] Guga! Wonderful post. When the whole feminist thing kicked off I remember saying they didn't want equality they wanted supremacy. In fact they wanted to do the same sort of things to men which they claimed had been done to them, they wanted payback and revenge. And I'm female.
I think it should be possible to work at arrangements which are fair and balanced without all the bull**** involved in getting into a gender war. Equality in the workplace is a must yes, but sadly in workplaces female bullies have emerged and proved to many that they are actually worse bullies than their predecessors!
One point tho Guga, I do all the work in my garden and I'm not a sumo or a diesel dyke, haha!
Guga wrote:
This is just a continuation of the old feminist bulldust. How many women do you hear of lying under the car, pulling the gear box out to repair it? How many women do you know that do all the household repairs? How many women do the hard work in the garden? What these women want is not equality, what they want is dominance. They should go back to acting like women, not diesel dykes, they might find themselves a decent man that way.
Guga! Wonderful post. When the whole feminist thing kicked off I remember saying they didn't want equality they wanted supremacy. In fact they wanted to do the same sort of things to men which they claimed had been done to them, they wanted payback and revenge. And I'm female.
I think it should be possible to work at arrangements which are fair and balanced without all the bull**** involved in getting into a gender war. Equality in the workplace is a must yes, but sadly in workplaces female bullies have emerged and proved to many that they are actually worse bullies than their predecessors!
One point tho Guga, I do all the work in my garden and I'm not a sumo or a diesel dyke, haha!
Posted by: clare, lanarkshire on 2:27pm Sun 16 Dec 07
TBR aw bless
Posted by: clare, lanarkshire on 2:31pm Sun 16 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Daggo[/bold] wrote:
Notice quickly and easily the lady commenters here traduce every male with vile, abusive insults. (see wendyann and scho usa) They\'d never dream of talking like that about blacks. If anyone use generalised language like that against women, how long would it take before the squeals of outrage? How long before we would hear how \"offended\" they were and how the use of such language proved how irredeemable, men are?[/quote] Daggo I don't think you should ignore either the men who have posted who are completely unable to focus on much apart from oral sex. So be fair eh?
Daggo wrote:
Notice quickly and easily the lady commenters here traduce every male with vile, abusive insults. (see wendyann and scho usa) They\'d never dream of talking like that about blacks. If anyone use generalised language like that against women, how long would it take before the squeals of outrage? How long before we would hear how \"offended\" they were and how the use of such language proved how irredeemable, men are?
Daggo I don't think you should ignore either the men who have posted who are completely unable to focus on much apart from oral sex. So be fair eh?
Posted by: Beverley Smith, Calgary Canda on 2:36pm Sun 16 Dec 07
The naive solution is that men should do more of the chores. That however if you notice calls taking care of the man's own kids a 'chore' like taking out the garbage and is certainly insulting to them and to the caregiver role. The real long-term solution is rather more revolutionary and that is to redefine 'work' itself in economic policy. Washing your own coffee cup is self-maintenance but taking care of a child is other service, vital to the functioning and perpetuation of society itself and whoever does it, male, female, mom, dad, sitter, grandma, daycare worker or all of them is working. If men are really to reduce divorce rates they could start with respect for the work of care of the child. And government if it wanted to fully empower women would also fund caregiving as the 1/3 of the GDP that it is, and would fund the child.
The naive solution is that men should do more of the chores. That however if you notice calls taking care of the man's own kids a 'chore' like taking out the garbage and is certainly insulting to them and to the caregiver role. The real long-term solution is rather more revolutionary and that is to redefine 'work' itself in economic policy. Washing your own coffee cup is self-maintenance but taking care of a child is other service, vital to the functioning and perpetuation of society itself and whoever does it, male, female, mom, dad, sitter, grandma, daycare worker or all of them is working. If men are really to reduce divorce rates they could start with respect for the work of care of the child. And government if it wanted to fully empower women would also fund caregiving as the 1/3 of the GDP that it is, and would fund the child.
Posted by: Observer on 3:18pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Whether a man feels he has a role to play in housework and childcare will depend on how he has been brought up. So unfortunately I still think it is us woman who have to shoulder the blame if boys grow up thinking it's ''women's work''. Having said that I totally acknowledge men do the car stuff and things like that, it's just they enjoy it, I don't particularly like cleaning the loo but for the sake of peace I will do it.
Whether a man feels he has a role to play in housework and childcare will depend on how he has been brought up. So unfortunately I still think it is us woman who have to shoulder the blame if boys grow up thinking it's ''women's work''. Having said that I totally acknowledge men do the car stuff and things like that, it's just they enjoy it, I don't particularly like cleaning the loo but for the sake of peace I will do it.
Posted by: Locknload49, United States on 7:34pm Sun 16 Dec 07
On a lighter note ... Who should fix the coffee?
Ans found in the name of a Bible chapter:
Hebrews
On a lighter note ... Who should fix the coffee?
Ans found in the name of a Bible chapter:
Hebrews
Posted by: Cassie, FL on 8:31pm Sun 16 Dec 07
I feel that if a man and woman both have full time jobs then the household responsibilities should be done equally. As for the comment about changing tires, putting oil in the car, etc. - I'm no "diesel dyke" by any means, but when I was single I did all of those things and still do if my man can't get around to it. I don't play into gender roles; work is work whether is it taking care of a child or changing a tire.
I feel that if a man and woman both have full time jobs then the household responsibilities should be done equally. As for the comment about changing tires, putting oil in the car, etc. - I'm no "diesel dyke" by any means, but when I was single I did all of those things and still do if my man can't get around to it. I don't play into gender roles; work is work whether is it taking care of a child or changing a tire.
Posted by: allymax, upvinesass, scotland. on 1:16am Tue 18 Dec 07
More crap opinions from a quango trying to show they'rte earning their salaries.
Divorce is money-maker for nasty lawyers.
Divorce wrecks families.
Divorce is an economy unto itself.
In Turkey the man can divorce his wife by saying 'I divorce thee' 3 times. Seems more person friendly than going to court to hear spurious allegations against each other.
More crap opinions from a quango trying to show they'rte earning their salaries.
Divorce is money-maker for nasty lawyers.
Divorce wrecks families.
Divorce is an economy unto itself.
In Turkey the man can divorce his wife by saying 'I divorce thee' 3 times. Seems more person friendly than going to court to hear spurious allegations against each other.