The scandal of Scotland's battered women
One in three victims of abuse cannot get help THOUSANDS OF women who leave their abusive partners are being turned away from the safety of refuges despite government pledges to tackle domestic abuse, the Sunday Herald can reveal.
Scottish Women's Aid has admitted turning away women and children from "safe houses" in more than 60% of cases in 2006-07, mainly due to lack of space.
The charity said it is struggling to cope with the rising numbers of women forced on to the streets by their partners, or who leave home, each year. Often they are sent to England to be housed in refuges there.
Case workers fear this puts them at risk, with many returning to their partners and further abuse. Labour MSP Johann Lamont, the party's communities spokeswoman, said: "I am shocked and really concerned about these figures, which represent women and children, in the most difficult circumstances, who are effectively refugees in their own country and need a safe place to live.
"There has been a shift in public understanding and recognition of the problem of domestic violence. This is a stark reminder that the problem still remains and is a very sharp one for women and children."
The figures were revealed after First Minister Alex Salmond last month signed a statement of intent by women's organisations at the launch of a zero tolerance campaign on domestic abuse and a government-backed advertising campaign for the festive season.
Crime figures also show one in five women has reported being assaulted by their partner, and there were 49,000 incidents dealt with by the police in 2006-07.
However, campaigners claim that not enough is being done to cope with the increase in demand for places, and have criticised the government's decision to allow local authorities to end "ring fencing" of finance for specific areas in return for a freeze on council tax.
The decision has left many women's aid groups, and other charities, facing uncertainly over their budgets from April. Lamont added: "We need re-assurance from the Executive it is not going to make financial decisions around other political commitments it has, such as cuts to council tax, that affect that provision."
Scottish Women's Aid collated figures for its annual statistics report from all but four of its 39 affiliated groups and will publish a detailed analysis this week.
Spokeswoman Jacq Kelly claimed long-term stable funding was needed for its work. She said: "These figures show that more women, with children, are coming forward wanting refuge space and are not able to get it.
"The government, and the communities minister Stewart Maxwell, is very supportive of our work and there's high-level political support to tackle violence against women.
"I don't think anybody in the government would be happy if these services were to suffer. This could happen as funding is going to be very tight this year for a lot of organisations with the removal of ring fencing.
"There isn't a long-term sustainable funding solution in place to secure services. Funding is currently decided every year, or three to four years. We would like funding for refuge provision to be always there because, like the NHS, there is a recognised need for women's aid."
Most groups accommodated fewer than one out of three women and their children who requested refuge last
year. Kelly added: "Although violence against women is our primary concern, we are also concerned about its effect on children, particularly those who leave home with their mothers."
According to the study, the total number of women who sought refuge in Scotland was 5373, of whom only 1248 were admitted to refuges - representing 23%. Of the 6619 children, only 1354 (20%) were admitted to refuges.
It represents an 8% drop from the previous year for children, and the figures for women have dropped by an average of 1% each year since 2002.
The breakdown showed 52% of women who sought help from women's aid groups were not admitted because of the lack of space, the highest figure since 2002, when the figure was 58%. Although 9% of women were given housing association property and 4% private rental accommodation, 16% returned to their partners and, in 34% of cases, Women's Aid case workers do not know what happened to the women.
Kelly added: "It is not really acceptable to have women turned away from refuges because we don't know what happens to those women. Our groups are manned by staff and volunteers and it would be difficult for them to monitor what happens to people."
Although most groups rely on local authorities to provide homeless accommodation, this causes problems for domestic violence workers as they cannot guarantee their safety or anonymity.
Ross-shire Women's Aid refuge worker Marilyn Ross said some women are staying longer, typically two years, rather than the six months originally intended by the service, which is putting more pressure on refuge space.
She said: "We are looking at people staying for a year and a half to two years. It's an open-door policy, but it works both ways. We refer women to other refuges down south and have women coming from all over Scotland and England."
Dumbarton District Women's Aid refuses 60%-65% of women, and many return to their abusive partners if they cannot accept the council housing offered when they leave a refuge.
Co-ordinator Liz Gillespie said: "There's very little housing stock and much of what is available, isn't desirable. The council will only make two offers before it has fulfilled its obligations.
"Women from all social backgrounds come into our refuge. A woman from somewhere quite posh might go back to her partner rather than accept a flat with drug dealers in the close.
"We've had cases where women return to be abused, than accept what's been offered by the council."
Only two women's aid groups cater specifically for ethnic minority and eastern European victims of domestic abuse. At Edinburgh-based Shakti - the name is Hindi for "strength" - manager Girijamba Polubothu has an arrangement with the council to help women if there is no space at her refuge or at its sister centre in Glasgow. Should that fail, they are offered a place in England.
Polubothu, who is looking after 93 women, accused the government of failing to recognise the needs of domestic violence victims. She said: "The government is raising people's expectations by advertising that there is no excuse for domestic abuse. Then these women come and you have to say no.
"I don't know why they took away the ring fencing and we are concerned that we have no budget confirmed for next year. These women are not interested
in politics and budgets. All they need
is a roof over their heads."
Other campaigners are worried about the impact the lack of space will have on women coming forward for help, when figures show that on average a woman will be assaulted 34 times by her partner before she reports it.
Hazel Maider, co-ordinator of Wigtownshire Women's Aid in Dumfries and Galloway, added: "It's difficult to believe that a human being could put up with so much before they ask for help, and nobody would choose to live in a refuge."
Archie Stoddart, director of Shelter Scotland, the housing and homelessness charity, said: "We are not opposed in principle to the removal of ring fencing, but the speed with which this is being done may cause real problems.
"This will impact directly on services for vulnerable people. We call on the Scottish government to ensure that important projects which support vulnerable people are not placed under any threat."
A Scottish government spokeswoman said: "The government and local authorities have a shared commitment to delivering these vital services, and removing ring fencing enables this be done more effectively and efficiently. Funding has simply been absorbed within the main local government settlement.
"The government places huge importance on tackling violence against women. We have increased funding, which will enable us to take forward a significant programme of work to improve the lives of women and children in Scotland."
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Posted by: observer, newington on 11:50pm Sat 5 Jan 08
Give me strength.
These worrying figures are for 2006-2007 ie when johann Lamont's "executive" were in power as opposed to the surrent government.
Why didn't the "jornalist" concerned put that simple point to Johann or is it bad form in the Herald to analyse anything as opposed to swallowing whole the Labour guff about the end to ring fencing - an argument which has already been destroyed this week in the excellent article from Pat Watters (Labour Councillor) of COSLA.
Give me strength.
These worrying figures are for 2006-2007 ie when johann Lamont's "executive" were in power as opposed to the surrent government.
Why didn't the "jornalist" concerned put that simple point to Johann or is it bad form in the Herald to analyse anything as opposed to swallowing whole the Labour guff about the end to ring fencing - an argument which has already been destroyed this week in the excellent article from Pat Watters (Labour Councillor) of COSLA.
Posted by: wee folding bike on 12:20am Sun 6 Jan 08
Ring fencing, yadda yadda yadda.
Ring fencing, yadda yadda yadda.
Posted by: Sam, Glasgow on 6:45am Sun 6 Jan 08
Can we have a policy that tackles violence, full stop. Can we see refuges and support for men to escape violent female partners.
Can we have a policy that tackles violence, full stop. Can we see refuges and support for men to escape violent female partners.
Posted by: wenceslas, Clacks on 7:17am Sun 6 Jan 08
So if the figures improve, its down to the new Scottish Government - if they get worse its the fault of the councils.
I do get the feeling the abolition of ring-fencing was done with the same care and attention - and possibly on the back of the same fag packet - as the "Local" income tax calculations
So if the figures improve, its down to the new Scottish Government - if they get worse its the fault of the councils.
I do get the feeling the abolition of ring-fencing was done with the same care and attention - and possibly on the back of the same fag packet - as the "Local" income tax calculations
Posted by: The Silent Majority, Glasgow on 9:04am Sun 6 Jan 08
Have I missed something or did Women's Aid not receive a substantial payout from the last government only 2 years ago for refuge provision and children's workers. It's so typical for an NGO to go on and on about funding - truth is there's never going to be enough money because there are competing priorities and whilst feminists continue to put their own special 'spin' on things no-one will ever take groups like Women's Aid seriously.
Have I missed something or did Women's Aid not receive a substantial payout from the last government only 2 years ago for refuge provision and children's workers. It's so typical for an NGO to go on and on about funding - truth is there's never going to be enough money because there are competing priorities and whilst feminists continue to put their own special 'spin' on things no-one will ever take groups like Women's Aid seriously.
Posted by: iang, Glasgow on 9:51am Sun 6 Jan 08
No mention here that 50% of reported cases of domestic abuse are against men! And where are the shelters and support structures for abused husbands? The one sided nature reporting of this issue has always been a disgrace.
No mention here that 50% of reported cases of domestic abuse are against men! And where are the shelters and support structures for abused husbands? The one sided nature reporting of this issue has always been a disgrace.
Posted by: The Silent Majority, Glasgow on 10:01am Sun 6 Jan 08
[quote][bold]iang[/bold] wrote:
No mention here that 50% of reported cases of domestic abuse are against men! And where are the shelters and support structures for abused husbands? The one sided nature reporting of this issue has always been a disgrace.[/quote] Where do you get your stats from?? Police stats show 88% female victims and 12% male victims across Scotland, that aside if you had any clue about DV you would know it's about power and control. I'm completely against the whole feminist slant however if you are going to make a statement get your facts right - otherwise you just sound like a malcontent with a grudge against women victims!
iang wrote:
No mention here that 50% of reported cases of domestic abuse are against men! And where are the shelters and support structures for abused husbands? The one sided nature reporting of this issue has always been a disgrace.
Where do you get your stats from?? Police stats show 88% female victims and 12% male victims across Scotland, that aside if you had any clue about DV you would know it's about power and control. I'm completely against the whole feminist slant however if you are going to make a statement get your facts right - otherwise you just sound like a malcontent with a grudge against women victims!
Posted by: Kung Fu on 10:41am Sun 6 Jan 08
[quote]"I am shocked and really concerned about these figures"[/quote]
Percentages are no figures, so how could you be concerned about them? Don't fool yourself and us. Unless you have the details of them. Have they at least been registered? Do you know their whereabouts? Oh, yes, some ended up in England, where they don't belong, to begin with.
What has become of them?
This definitely IS a scandal!
BTW, did you sleep well?
Teach them at least to fight back while they still can!
"I am shocked and really concerned about these figures"
Percentages are no figures, so how could you be concerned about them? Don't fool yourself and us. Unless you have the details of them. Have they at least been registered? Do you know their whereabouts? Oh, yes, some ended up in England, where they don't belong, to begin with.
What has become of them?
This definitely IS a scandal!
BTW, did you sleep well?
Teach them at least to fight back while they still can!
Posted by: iang, Glasgow on 10:53am Sun 6 Jan 08
[quote][bold]The Silent Majority[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]iang[/bold] wrote:
No mention here that 50% of reported cases of domestic abuse are against men! And where are the shelters and support structures for abused husbands? The one sided nature reporting of this issue has always been a disgrace.[/quote] Where do you get your stats from?? Police stats show 88% female victims and 12% male victims across Scotland, that aside if you had any clue about DV you would know it's about power and control. I'm completely against the whole feminist slant however if you are going to make a statement get your facts right - otherwise you just sound like a malcontent with a grudge against women victims![/quote] the numbers are taken directly from police who are going out to the incidents and not just from published statistics. I most certainly do no something about domestic violence and yes you are correect about it being about power and control, but why do you assume that it is only a men who seek that?
My grudge, if you care to read what I have said, is against the one-sided reporting of this subject and it is pathetic that you should suggest that I have therefore something agianst victims of domestic violence.
The Silent Majority wrote:
iang wrote:
No mention here that 50% of reported cases of domestic abuse are against men! And where are the shelters and support structures for abused husbands? The one sided nature reporting of this issue has always been a disgrace.
Where do you get your stats from?? Police stats show 88% female victims and 12% male victims across Scotland, that aside if you had any clue about DV you would know it's about power and control. I'm completely against the whole feminist slant however if you are going to make a statement get your facts right - otherwise you just sound like a malcontent with a grudge against women victims!
the numbers are taken directly from police who are going out to the incidents and not just from published statistics. I most certainly do no something about domestic violence and yes you are correect about it being about power and control, but why do you assume that it is only a men who seek that?
My grudge, if you care to read what I have said, is against the one-sided reporting of this subject and it is pathetic that you should suggest that I have therefore something agianst victims of domestic violence.
Posted by: Clare, Lanarkshire on 11:53am Sun 6 Jan 08
Not the ring fencing thing again!
Not the ring fencing thing again!
Posted by: JCG, Lanarkshire on 11:58am Sun 6 Jan 08
Why are these women being "forced out" by their partners? Why are their partners not the ones leaving? Why are their partners not being removed from the property and charged with assault or whatever and kept away from the property?
Isn't it the case that when it comes to bringing charges many women simply won't do it?
Why are these women being "forced out" by their partners? Why are their partners not the ones leaving? Why are their partners not being removed from the property and charged with assault or whatever and kept away from the property?
Isn't it the case that when it comes to bringing charges many women simply won't do it?
Posted by: Rhubarb on 12:29pm Sun 6 Jan 08
It is now obvious that Labour members are spreading disinformation and scaremongering amongst some of the most vulnerable sections in our society. And all for a cheap hit at the SNP. They should be seriously ashamed of themselves.
THE MONEY IS STILL THERE.
It is now obvious that Labour members are spreading disinformation and scaremongering amongst some of the most vulnerable sections in our society. And all for a cheap hit at the SNP. They should be seriously ashamed of themselves.
THE MONEY IS STILL THERE.
Posted by: heavy, Glasgow on 12:51pm Sun 6 Jan 08
The radical feminists destroying family life in Scotland have the same agenda as communists who used family destruction to bring in massive state intrusion.
The danger in Scotland is that legal parasites ,who gain massively from theft of childrens future inheritance ,rely on propogating the feminist lies and deceit of the men haters who are causing more and more dysfunctionality in families across Scotland.
Mens rightful place as the head of a family are being turned into mice by sinister connections of the many who are exploiting a complex propaganda network the ultimate goal to THIEVE the family assets.
Anyone who has witness'd the appalling abuses of the bully boy state in corrupt family courts knows that WOMEN may not cause abuse directly but can call on a myriad of legal and political goons to do the dirty for them.
Ask the many men who have been forcibly removed from their home and children by pure speculation and hearsay.Not hard proof and decided in closed secret court process WITHOUT juries and usually without representation.
Heather Mills is a perfect example of the GOLDDIGGERS charter that corrupt lawyers promote to women who are brainwashed into believing that going to court will ensure they are protected.Later they will realise the huge legal fees that are supplied to them via the utterly corrupt legal aid board will at some point have to be repaid with the sale of the family silver.Many women conned into a devious ploy by Scotlands legal system to control the family in disgusting fascist courts.
Some of our group have vast experience of the perjury that is used daily to STEAL a fathers hard earned assets ,home but most importantly his children.
This is racket that relies on vast swathes of political and legal propaganda to ensure their property portfolio's continue to be expanded by massive criminal theft of property throughout Scotland.EVIL AT ITS EXTREME.
LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS
Masonic judges OUT Juries IN
The radical feminists destroying family life in Scotland have the same agenda as communists who used family destruction to bring in massive state intrusion.
The danger in Scotland is that legal parasites ,who gain massively from theft of childrens future inheritance ,rely on propogating the feminist lies and deceit of the men haters who are causing more and more dysfunctionality in families across Scotland.
Mens rightful place as the head of a family are being turned into mice by sinister connections of the many who are exploiting a complex propaganda network the ultimate goal to THIEVE the family assets.
Anyone who has witness'd the appalling abuses of the bully boy state in corrupt family courts knows that WOMEN may not cause abuse directly but can call on a myriad of legal and political goons to do the dirty for them.
Ask the many men who have been forcibly removed from their home and children by pure speculation and hearsay.Not hard proof and decided in closed secret court process WITHOUT juries and usually without representation.
Heather Mills is a perfect example of the GOLDDIGGERS charter that corrupt lawyers promote to women who are brainwashed into believing that going to court will ensure they are protected.Later they will realise the huge legal fees that are supplied to them via the utterly corrupt legal aid board will at some point have to be repaid with the sale of the family silver.Many women conned into a devious ploy by Scotlands legal system to control the family in disgusting fascist courts.
Some of our group have vast experience of the perjury that is used daily to STEAL a fathers hard earned assets ,home but most importantly his children.
This is racket that relies on vast swathes of political and legal propaganda to ensure their property portfolio's continue to be expanded by massive criminal theft of property throughout Scotland.EVIL AT ITS EXTREME.
LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS
Masonic judges OUT Juries IN
Posted by: Clare, Lanarkshire on 1:19pm Sun 6 Jan 08
My what a rant. And on a Sunday too!
Heavy, most people accept that many breakdowns in marriages cannot be blamed on one party or the other completely. Most of us accept too that lawyers can often make the whole process even more hostile, especially when children are involved. Some of us will also accept that sometimes women use children against a father and that the courts are often very unfair to fathers when it comes to custody and access. All reasonable people agree that breakdowns when they occur should be managed sensibly when children are involved. Having said that it isn't always possible because of the emotional pain associated with such a traumatic thing.
What you have to bear in mind however is that all cases don't fit in the same category so we simply can't proceed as you do and start screaming about mad feminists. It simply isn't a reasonable argument. All the "men-hater" stuff is just nonsense and it makes people stop reading and move on to the next post.
My what a rant. And on a Sunday too!
Heavy, most people accept that many breakdowns in marriages cannot be blamed on one party or the other completely. Most of us accept too that lawyers can often make the whole process even more hostile, especially when children are involved. Some of us will also accept that sometimes women use children against a father and that the courts are often very unfair to fathers when it comes to custody and access. All reasonable people agree that breakdowns when they occur should be managed sensibly when children are involved. Having said that it isn't always possible because of the emotional pain associated with such a traumatic thing.
What you have to bear in mind however is that all cases don't fit in the same category so we simply can't proceed as you do and start screaming about mad feminists. It simply isn't a reasonable argument. All the "men-hater" stuff is just nonsense and it makes people stop reading and move on to the next post.
Posted by: heavy, Glasgow on 2:40pm Sun 6 Jan 08
Clare
And who are you?Another man hating supporter? or a legal parasite that sees women like golddigger heather mills turn themselves into INSTANT millionaires through the corrupt civil court system that makes Britain and Scotland the divorce capital of the world.
Meanwhile slagging off their ex husbands as all bastards while they get away with murder thanks to an enthusiastic judiciary only to pleased to bow to the demands of radical feminists.
THE EASIEST WAY TO PLUNDER A MANS HARD EARNED ASSETS IS THROUGH CORRUPTION AND THE VILE COURT SYSTEMS THAT HAVE BEEN GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER FOR FAR TO LONG.
LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS
Masonic judges OUT Juries IN
Clare
And who are you?Another man hating supporter? or a legal parasite that sees women like golddigger heather mills turn themselves into INSTANT millionaires through the corrupt civil court system that makes Britain and Scotland the divorce capital of the world.
Meanwhile slagging off their ex husbands as all bastards while they get away with murder thanks to an enthusiastic judiciary only to pleased to bow to the demands of radical feminists.
THE EASIEST WAY TO PLUNDER A MANS HARD EARNED ASSETS IS THROUGH CORRUPTION AND THE VILE COURT SYSTEMS THAT HAVE BEEN GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER FOR FAR TO LONG.
LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS
Masonic judges OUT Juries IN
Posted by: Walter Scott on 3:24pm Sun 6 Jan 08
[quote][bold]heavy[/bold] wrote:
Clare And who are you?Another man hating supporter? or a legal parasite that sees women like golddigger heather mills turn themselves into INSTANT millionaires through the corrupt civil court system that makes Britain and Scotland the divorce capital of the world. Meanwhile slagging off their ex husbands as all bastards while they get away with murder thanks to an enthusiastic judiciary only to pleased to bow to the demands of radical feminists. THE EASIEST WAY TO PLUNDER A MANS HARD EARNED ASSETS IS THROUGH CORRUPTION AND THE VILE COURT SYSTEMS THAT HAVE BEEN GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER FOR FAR TO LONG. LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS Masonic judges OUT Juries IN [/quote] I think we are all now getting to see the source of the grudge held against the entire Scots legal profession by "Legal Judicial Political Reformers".
It is a sign of absolute ignorance of the facts to refer to the "civil court system that makes Britain and Scotland [italic]the divorce capital of the world[/italic] ." There are no figures that would support such a claim. There are, however, many other countries with higher rates of divorce than the UK.
One more thing, would you allow "Masonic" individuals to serve on juries and exactly how many Scots judges concern you due to their being "Masonic"?
heavy wrote:
Clare And who are you?Another man hating supporter? or a legal parasite that sees women like golddigger heather mills turn themselves into INSTANT millionaires through the corrupt civil court system that makes Britain and Scotland the divorce capital of the world. Meanwhile slagging off their ex husbands as all bastards while they get away with murder thanks to an enthusiastic judiciary only to pleased to bow to the demands of radical feminists. THE EASIEST WAY TO PLUNDER A MANS HARD EARNED ASSETS IS THROUGH CORRUPTION AND THE VILE COURT SYSTEMS THAT HAVE BEEN GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER FOR FAR TO LONG. LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS Masonic judges OUT Juries IN
I think we are all now getting to see the source of the grudge held against the entire Scots legal profession by "Legal Judicial Political Reformers".
It is a sign of absolute ignorance of the facts to refer to the "civil court system that makes Britain and Scotland
the divorce capital of the world ." There are no figures that would support such a claim. There are, however, many other countries with higher rates of divorce than the UK.
One more thing, would you allow "Masonic" individuals to serve on juries and exactly how many Scots judges concern you due to their being "Masonic"?
Posted by: Clare, Lanarkshire on 3:27pm Sun 6 Jan 08
Heavy, oh for goodness sake behave yourself and calm down. My response above was perfectly reasoned you just don't seem to do reason. I have said I am aware there are women who abuse the system. That does not give you the right to label all of them in that way.
Of course I don't hate men! I think George Clooney is gorgeous!
You have your own agenda as your frequent posts demonstrate but you have no right to bully everyone else and you really must understand that if you wish to be taken seriously.
You really are being very silly. Go the corner, sit down and be quiet at once!
Heavy, oh for goodness sake behave yourself and calm down. My response above was perfectly reasoned you just don't seem to do reason. I have said I am aware there are women who abuse the system. That does not give you the right to label all of them in that way.
Of course I don't hate men! I think George Clooney is gorgeous!
You have your own agenda as your frequent posts demonstrate but you have no right to bully everyone else and you really must understand that if you wish to be taken seriously.
You really are being very silly. Go the corner, sit down and be quiet at once!
Posted by: Assaulted by Wife on 4:33pm Sun 6 Jan 08
I used to believe all the headlines which suggested that virtually all domestic violence was perpetrated by men against women-until my wife started assaulting me and then calling the police to complain that the reverse was true.
She is now threatening to have me removed from our family home on any grounds that she can invent.
Her definition of my abuse is if I dare to be in the same room as her or disgree with any of her assertions. Personally I think that she needs medical help but if I say that she threatens to call the police again.
In spite of her being the aggressor I am sure the result of all this will be that she obtains the lion's share of our assets on divorce, and also custody of our 2 children (7 & 3). Where will my children be when this woman no longer has me to assault and abuse-she already hits them in the full knowledge that I am utterly opposed to corporal punishment?
Somewhere down the road the sheer scale of the state-sanctioned injustice heaped upon men will be a matter of utter bewilderment to future generations.
I used to believe all the headlines which suggested that virtually all domestic violence was perpetrated by men against women-until my wife started assaulting me and then calling the police to complain that the reverse was true.
She is now threatening to have me removed from our family home on any grounds that she can invent.
Her definition of my abuse is if I dare to be in the same room as her or disgree with any of her assertions. Personally I think that she needs medical help but if I say that she threatens to call the police again.
In spite of her being the aggressor I am sure the result of all this will be that she obtains the lion's share of our assets on divorce, and also custody of our 2 children (7 & 3). Where will my children be when this woman no longer has me to assault and abuse-she already hits them in the full knowledge that I am utterly opposed to corporal punishment?
Somewhere down the road the sheer scale of the state-sanctioned injustice heaped upon men will be a matter of utter bewilderment to future generations.
Posted by: Clare, Lanarkshire on 4:44pm Sun 6 Jan 08
Assaulted, I apologise most sincerely if my previous post appeared to trivialise such issues, it really wasn't.
I am sorry your circumstances are so bad and I am not sure how best to respond but surely the legal system must serve men in such situations too, particular when you say your children are caught up in it? I hope that your situation improves and I hope it is dealt with fairly.
Assaulted, I apologise most sincerely if my previous post appeared to trivialise such issues, it really wasn't.
I am sorry your circumstances are so bad and I am not sure how best to respond but surely the legal system must serve men in such situations too, particular when you say your children are caught up in it? I hope that your situation improves and I hope it is dealt with fairly.
Posted by: Now a happy dad., Glasgow on 7:14pm Sun 6 Jan 08
Clare , i wish you had been my mediator/solicitor. I have personal experience exactly as Assaulted. Ex went to a solicitor who advised she might get nowt or at best 50-50 kids/ money punched her own arms after thumping mine, went to A and E, then police then a solicitor who was able then to say...now its all yours!
Whilst "Heavy" appears so angry he's stuck, i think now that many woman must receive unscrupulious first advice that goes ..." did he ever hit you, it would be hugely beneficial to you if he did!
However, men who dont handle divorce well can be a danger to themselves and others.
So mothers; raise your sons to love women
Dads;if you have a temper, get help; if you have thoughts of violence, stay away. Solicitors......get a conscience.
Clare , i wish you had been my mediator/solicitor. I have personal experience exactly as Assaulted. Ex went to a solicitor who advised she might get nowt or at best 50-50 kids/ money punched her own arms after thumping mine, went to A and E, then police then a solicitor who was able then to say...now its all yours!
Whilst "Heavy" appears so angry he's stuck, i think now that many woman must receive unscrupulious first advice that goes ..." did he ever hit you, it would be hugely beneficial to you if he did!
However, men who dont handle divorce well can be a danger to themselves and others.
So mothers; raise your sons to love women
Dads;if you have a temper, get help; if you have thoughts of violence, stay away. Solicitors......get a conscience.
Posted by: allymax, upvinesass, scotland. on 8:07pm Sun 6 Jan 08
Scotland has a chance to break away from the 'British' method of managing husband/wife arguing by allowing parasitic lawyers to destroy the marriage completely. Scottish lawyers are still lawyers, they make more money from the legal aid system by prolonging the dis-harmony, and even better if they can convince the wife/husband to divorce. The end result is the rest of the lives of these family members are lived in blame, shame, and dis-harmony. Scotland should disconnect the fascist intitutions like the police, and lawyers from family matters and initiate a mediating organisation that attempts to solve the marital problems rather than exacerbate them like what is happening now. Anyone that has not been through a traumatic and crushing divorce cannot begin to realise what harm it does to the whole family; the children are scared for life.
Scotland has a chance to break away from the 'British' method of managing husband/wife arguing by allowing parasitic lawyers to destroy the marriage completely. Scottish lawyers are still lawyers, they make more money from the legal aid system by prolonging the dis-harmony, and even better if they can convince the wife/husband to divorce. The end result is the rest of the lives of these family members are lived in blame, shame, and dis-harmony. Scotland should disconnect the fascist intitutions like the police, and lawyers from family matters and initiate a mediating organisation that attempts to solve the marital problems rather than exacerbate them like what is happening now. Anyone that has not been through a traumatic and crushing divorce cannot begin to realise what harm it does to the whole family; the children are scared for life.
Posted by: heavy, Glasgow on 9:07pm Sun 6 Jan 08
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THE PLIGHT OF DIVORCED FATHERS
No other topics I write about so consistently provoke passionate personal response as those dealing with systemic discrimination against men. When, for example, I point out double standards for boys and girls in the health care system, or expose the use of bogus statistics around domestic violence, my inbox fills with male gratitude simply for acknowledging an obvious fact: Our culture is profoundly misandric.
Of the myriad forms of discrimination men cite, one looms over the rest: The egregious treatment meted out to fathers in the throes of contested child custody following the "no-fault" divorces most of them did not initiate or desire. My files bulge with stories of disenfranchised fathers ripped from their children's arms and lives. They have lost their homes, their careers, fortunes, friends and reputations, often on the basis of false allegations of abuse (for which their female accusers are virtually never punished). I wouldn't mention such anecdotal evidence, if the anguish in these testimonials didn't jibe with objective data confirming the shameful gender bias that dominates the family law system.
About half of all marriages end in divorce. Women are twice as likely to initiate a divorce as men, largely because they can be fairly sure they'll end up with control of the children. Where shared parenting is the default template, divorce rates plummet. Men are six times as likely as women to commit suicide within the first two years after a separation: That they kill themselves from despair rather than their ex-wives for revenge is, ironically, a tragically eloquent rebuttal to the feminist credo that men are inherently dangerous to women.
Although 25% of women make more money than their spouses, 97% of support payers are men (even in cases of shared parenting). Mobility decisions favour women: The psychological comfort to a Vancouver mother of moving near her Toronto-based family will be privileged over the psychological devastation the virtual loss of his children causes the Vancouver-bound father.
Misandry in family law begins with an ideology that views children as the property of women, even though many peer-reviewed studies show children want and need both parents, and no studies show sole parenting by a mother serves children's best interests. This ideology is instilled in judges during training sessions featuring feminism-driven materials, and subsequently often plays out as unaccountable kangaroo courts.
The result is that an adversarial mother who initiates a divorce against the will of the father --however indifferent her parenting skills, however superb his and even if the children spend their days with nannies or day care workers --pretty well has a lock on sole custody of the children. If she denies rightful access to the father, she will never be punished at all. Conversely, if he withholds money, he will be criminalized: His picture as a "deadbeat dad" may appear on government-sanctione
d Internet sites, and if he goes to jail, as is likely, he will serve a longer sentence than cocaine dealers.
Most men think such kafkaesque scenarios can't happen to them. Happily married men parenting with equal diligence believe in their hearts that men who find themselves savaged by the family law system are congenital losers, or were demonstrably lousy husbands and fathers. Many such "winners" are in for an unpleasant surprise.
"We want to pull away from the idea that parents have rights in relation to their children," said Jennifer Cooper, chair of the Canadian Bar Association's family law section, representing 2,200 divorce lawyers. "Parents" in this statement is the hypocritical lip service feminism pays to humanism: She meant "fathers," for women's rights today are never "pulled away from," only supported or furthered. In the days when children belonged to both their parents, it used to be said that children were "hostages to fortune." Today they are hostages to feminism and the state.
In his new, cleverly titled book, "Taken into Custody", Stephen Baskerville, president of the American Coalition for Fathers and Children, paints a bleak picture of the routine injustice a divorcing father can expect when a woman initiates a divorce. Baskerville baldly warns: "If I have one urgent piece of practical advice for young men today, it is this: Do not marry and do not have children."
His book, like many others of the genre, makes a persuasive case. Men should read them. If the system does not become equitable, don't be surprised if men choose increasingly, and with reason, to play their trump card: Voting for equality with their condoms.
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THE PLIGHT OF DIVORCED FATHERS
No other topics I write about so consistently provoke passionate personal response as those dealing with systemic discrimination against men. When, for example, I point out double standards for boys and girls in the health care system, or expose the use of bogus statistics around domestic violence, my inbox fills with male gratitude simply for acknowledging an obvious fact: Our culture is profoundly misandric.
Of the myriad forms of discrimination men cite, one looms over the rest: The egregious treatment meted out to fathers in the throes of contested child custody following the "no-fault" divorces most of them did not initiate or desire. My files bulge with stories of disenfranchised fathers ripped from their children's arms and lives. They have lost their homes, their careers, fortunes, friends and reputations, often on the basis of false allegations of abuse (for which their female accusers are virtually never punished). I wouldn't mention such anecdotal evidence, if the anguish in these testimonials didn't jibe with objective data confirming the shameful gender bias that dominates the family law system.
About half of all marriages end in divorce. Women are twice as likely to initiate a divorce as men, largely because they can be fairly sure they'll end up with control of the children. Where shared parenting is the default template, divorce rates plummet. Men are six times as likely as women to commit suicide within the first two years after a separation: That they kill themselves from despair rather than their ex-wives for revenge is, ironically, a tragically eloquent rebuttal to the feminist credo that men are inherently dangerous to women.
Although 25% of women make more money than their spouses, 97% of support payers are men (even in cases of shared parenting). Mobility decisions favour women: The psychological comfort to a Vancouver mother of moving near her Toronto-based family will be privileged over the psychological devastation the virtual loss of his children causes the Vancouver-bound father.
Misandry in family law begins with an ideology that views children as the property of women, even though many peer-reviewed studies show children want and need both parents, and no studies show sole parenting by a mother serves children's best interests. This ideology is instilled in judges during training sessions featuring feminism-driven materials, and subsequently often plays out as unaccountable kangaroo courts.
The result is that an adversarial mother who initiates a divorce against the will of the father --however indifferent her parenting skills, however superb his and even if the children spend their days with nannies or day care workers --pretty well has a lock on sole custody of the children. If she denies rightful access to the father, she will never be punished at all. Conversely, if he withholds money, he will be criminalized: His picture as a "deadbeat dad" may appear on government-sanctione
d Internet sites, and if he goes to jail, as is likely, he will serve a longer sentence than cocaine dealers.
Most men think such kafkaesque scenarios can't happen to them. Happily married men parenting with equal diligence believe in their hearts that men who find themselves savaged by the family law system are congenital losers, or were demonstrably lousy husbands and fathers. Many such "winners" are in for an unpleasant surprise.
"We want to pull away from the idea that parents have rights in relation to their children," said Jennifer Cooper, chair of the Canadian Bar Association's family law section, representing 2,200 divorce lawyers. "Parents" in this statement is the hypocritical lip service feminism pays to humanism: She meant "fathers," for women's rights today are never "pulled away from," only supported or furthered. In the days when children belonged to both their parents, it used to be said that children were "hostages to fortune." Today they are hostages to feminism and the state.
In his new, cleverly titled book, "Taken into Custody", Stephen Baskerville, president of the American Coalition for Fathers and Children, paints a bleak picture of the routine injustice a divorcing father can expect when a woman initiates a divorce. Baskerville baldly warns: "If I have one urgent piece of practical advice for young men today, it is this: Do not marry and do not have children."
His book, like many others of the genre, makes a persuasive case. Men should read them. If the system does not become equitable, don't be surprised if men choose increasingly, and with reason, to play their trump card: Voting for equality with their condoms.
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Posted by: Walter Scott on 9:15pm Sun 6 Jan 08
[quote][bold]allymax[/bold] wrote:
Scotland has a chance to break away from the 'British' method of managing husband/wife arguing by allowing parasitic lawyers to destroy the marriage completely. Scottish lawyers are still lawyers, they make more money from the legal aid system by prolonging the dis-harmony, and even better if they can convince the wife/husband to divorce. The end result is the rest of the lives of these family members are lived in blame, shame, and dis-harmony. Scotland should disconnect the fascist intitutions like the police, and lawyers from family matters and initiate a mediating organisation that attempts to solve the marital problems rather than exacerbate them like what is happening now. Anyone that has not been through a traumatic and crushing divorce cannot begin to realise what harm it does to the whole family; the children are scared for life.[/quote] hmmmmm... "parasitic"... "fascist"... this sounds like the language of "Legal Political Judicial Reformers" (see above).
Mediation is already available in matrimonial separations and a growing number of Scots Solicitors (God bless them!) are becoming accredited family law mediators. However, in many cases mediation is nowhere near appropriate to the circumstances of the case. In that situation we need to rely on the "fascist institutions", as you describe them.
I would respectfully suggest that if one spouse is consulting a "parasitic lawyer", or any form of lawyer, requesting a divorce then something else has destroyed that marriage, and it is not the Solicitor!
allymax wrote:
Scotland has a chance to break away from the 'British' method of managing husband/wife arguing by allowing parasitic lawyers to destroy the marriage completely. Scottish lawyers are still lawyers, they make more money from the legal aid system by prolonging the dis-harmony, and even better if they can convince the wife/husband to divorce. The end result is the rest of the lives of these family members are lived in blame, shame, and dis-harmony. Scotland should disconnect the fascist intitutions like the police, and lawyers from family matters and initiate a mediating organisation that attempts to solve the marital problems rather than exacerbate them like what is happening now. Anyone that has not been through a traumatic and crushing divorce cannot begin to realise what harm it does to the whole family; the children are scared for life.
hmmmmm... "parasitic"... "fascist"... this sounds like the language of "Legal Political Judicial Reformers" (see above).
Mediation is already available in matrimonial separations and a growing number of Scots Solicitors (God bless them!) are becoming accredited family law mediators. However, in many cases mediation is nowhere near appropriate to the circumstances of the case. In that situation we need to rely on the "fascist institutions", as you describe them.
I would respectfully suggest that if one spouse is consulting a "parasitic lawyer", or any form of lawyer, requesting a divorce then something else has destroyed that marriage, and it is not the Solicitor!
Posted by: allymax, upvinesass, scotland. on 9:41pm Sun 6 Jan 08
The suppossed 'service institutions' like the police, social work, and the law officers, (procurator fiscals, judges, courts staff etc), work against families staying together. They make it easy to demonize men with all their nasty propoganda. Scotland's own lord advocate angiolini blasts out radical feminist leanings by stating Scotland is the rape capitol of the world. Scotland's 8 police chiefs demand more power from the citizen in an already totalitarian regime to combat domestic violence. The law officers of Scotland are criminalizing the Scots populace, (100% more in prison than 10 years ago), and the messages coming from quango's and the law commission is that of divide and conquer. Who benefits from this Orwellian nightmare? The 'elites' of Scotland, that's who!
There's an old saying, without criminals there would be no police. The emphasis by the elites are to make criminals of Scots peoples. This way the police can say they need more power, more coppers, and more say on social culture. 95% of Scotland's prisons are full with men. When a man gets a criminal record, (a police charge even without a conviction), he finds it very hard to get a job. This is a way the elites of Scotland are dividing the have from have-nots.
'Grass-up' your neighbour' now coming off the back that Scots men are a nation of domestic violators/rapists, and '1/4 women experience domestic violence'. That should read 1/4 men, women and their children experience domestic violence! But why the divisive propoganda? because the elites need families breaking-up, getting the cops involved, going through the courts, and getting divorced. The elites are like sharks, they are soul-less. They don't care what happens to the poor of Scotland just as long as they get their elite positions and salaries. The fact is men/fathers are being forced out of their families by these elites that live off our famlies. Seems pointless to assauge morality in a totlaitarian nightmare!
The suppossed 'service institutions' like the police, social work, and the law officers, (procurator fiscals, judges, courts staff etc), work against families staying together. They make it easy to demonize men with all their nasty propoganda. Scotland's own lord advocate angiolini blasts out radical feminist leanings by stating Scotland is the rape capitol of the world. Scotland's 8 police chiefs demand more power from the citizen in an already totalitarian regime to combat domestic violence. The law officers of Scotland are criminalizing the Scots populace, (100% more in prison than 10 years ago), and the messages coming from quango's and the law commission is that of divide and conquer. Who benefits from this Orwellian nightmare? The 'elites' of Scotland, that's who!
There's an old saying, without criminals there would be no police. The emphasis by the elites are to make criminals of Scots peoples. This way the police can say they need more power, more coppers, and more say on social culture. 95% of Scotland's prisons are full with men. When a man gets a criminal record, (a police charge even without a conviction), he finds it very hard to get a job. This is a way the elites of Scotland are dividing the have from have-nots.
'Grass-up' your neighbour' now coming off the back that Scots men are a nation of domestic violators/rapists, and '1/4 women experience domestic violence'. That should read 1/4 men, women and their children experience domestic violence! But why the divisive propoganda? because the elites need families breaking-up, getting the cops involved, going through the courts, and getting divorced. The elites are like sharks, they are soul-less. They don't care what happens to the poor of Scotland just as long as they get their elite positions and salaries. The fact is men/fathers are being forced out of their families by these elites that live off our famlies. Seems pointless to assauge morality in a totlaitarian nightmare!
Posted by: Craig on 10:22pm Sun 6 Jan 08
The fact that so much needs invested in sheltering women who have ran away from violent partners shows there is a much deeper problem that needs addressed.
More should be done in society to educate young men in particular, that this is no way to treat a woman.
The fact that so much needs invested in sheltering women who have ran away from violent partners shows there is a much deeper problem that needs addressed.
More should be done in society to educate young men in particular, that this is no way to treat a woman.
Posted by: Al, Scotland on 10:35pm Sun 6 Jan 08
For the guy who's wife is making false allegations, I'd suggest secret filming, then when she calls the cops and tells her story you can produce the hard evidence.
Sad that it has to come to this but you have to think what's best for you and your children.
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I know a woman who has often been voilent in relationships but there is a reason for it. The abuse she suffered as a child left her mentally scarred and suffering mental illness. Zero tolerance takes none of this into account and is, in fact, quite an ignorant proposal designed for headlines and the feminists that shout the loudest.
For the guy who's wife is making false allegations, I'd suggest secret filming, then when she calls the cops and tells her story you can produce the hard evidence.
Sad that it has to come to this but you have to think what's best for you and your children.
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I know a woman who has often been voilent in relationships but there is a reason for it. The abuse she suffered as a child left her mentally scarred and suffering mental illness. Zero tolerance takes none of this into account and is, in fact, quite an ignorant proposal designed for headlines and the feminists that shout the loudest.
Posted by: Clare, Lanarkshire on 10:59pm Sun 6 Jan 08
Al. It probably wouldn't be admissible if a person had been filmed without their knowledge.
Men, violent ones, can often point to their childhoods where they witnessed violence between parents. It still doesn't justify it tho. Women who use similar arguments lose on the same grounds.
I think we all need to learn violence is never the answer. I have known women who think it is ok to slap a partner across the face or whatever. It isn't. I know women whose marriages involve violence on both sides and they are ok with that. It shouldn't be ok. I've known women who ended relationships and openly said they intended to restrict a father's access to hs children. That is completely wrong.
Maybe we all need to step back and think about the whole issue. Maybe Solicitors need to do the same thing.
Al. It probably wouldn't be admissible if a person had been filmed without their knowledge.
Men, violent ones, can often point to their childhoods where they witnessed violence between parents. It still doesn't justify it tho. Women who use similar arguments lose on the same grounds.
I think we all need to learn violence is never the answer. I have known women who think it is ok to slap a partner across the face or whatever. It isn't. I know women whose marriages involve violence on both sides and they are ok with that. It shouldn't be ok. I've known women who ended relationships and openly said they intended to restrict a father's access to hs children. That is completely wrong.
Maybe we all need to step back and think about the whole issue. Maybe Solicitors need to do the same thing.
Posted by: heavy, Glasgow on 11:32pm Sun 6 Jan 08
This is the evil and wicked nonsense the Scottish Legal Aid Board fund EVERY day and what MEN have had to tolerate in corrupt civil courts for so long.They are the major destroyers of families and the thieves who steal our homes with impunity
http://thescotsman.s
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464991
Widow agrees to return £1.8m legal aid cash falsely claimed by solicitor
A SOLICITOR "embellished" claims for legal aid in child welfare cases with false details of sex abuse to fraudulently obtain nearly £2 million, The Scotsman can reveal. In Scotland's biggest-ever legal aid fraud, James Muir made false claims for public money in hundreds of child protection cases over seven years. Mr Muir, who kept a low profile in the profession but was regarded as one of the country's most dedicated and experienced specialist child welfare lawyers, committed suicide after the police began investigating.
Details of the case have been kept secret for two years while the Scottish Government's civil recovery unit sought to reclaim the money from his estate. Yesterday the Scottish Legal Aid Board (SLAB) announced that an agreement had been reached with Mr Muir's family that will see £1.8 million paid back to the public fund. Last night politicians demanded answers over how such abuse could go undetected for so long.
SLAB claimed the "tragic case" was a one-off and insisted it had improved procedures for checking legal aid claims. Mr Muir's wife Susan, believed to be a serving police officer, has sold the family's luxury home in Bothwell, Lanarkshire, to help pay back the money. Mr Muir, 45, who ran his practice from his home, worked mainly as a custodian, or "safeguarder", for children and minors too young to manage their own affairs or represent themselves in court. The Scotsman can reveal that from 1999 until 2005, he made false claims for legal aid in several hundred child welfare cases. At the outset, he was claiming an average of around £1,000 per case, but by the time he was caught, this had risen to £10,000. To justify the soaring claims, he "embellished" detailed application forms to the legal aid board with fabricated details of sex abuse. He even invented statements between social workers and police officers.
The fraud came to light after legal aid staff noticed his payments were steadily increasing. Strathclyde Police obtained a warrant to search Mr Muir's home and office on 20 April, 2005. Later the same day his body was discovered on a railway line. A source last night said: "Mr Muir had a niche market, being the only dedicated children's lawyer in the area. All the children existed in his claims, but he made up the grounds of referral from the Children's Reporter and they all, in effect, became sex abuse cases. This allowed him to embellish claims and increase the amount paid." Another lawyer, who did not want to be named, added: "If this had been going on in the criminal court, people would have quickly suspected something was going on. But he was basically doing this work on his own and no-one asked questions.
"Everyone thought he was simply working and doing well for himself. When it came to light, I think the legal aid board was embarrassed and furious in equal measure." Mr Muir was known to have taken on a large workload and on occasions carried out work he did not claim for. Now, following a long and detailed investigation by the legal aid board and months of negotiations, it is understood that his widow has agreed to give back all £1.8m that her husband received in legal aid over the seven years. Bill Aitken, the Conservatives' justice spokesman, said: "Little can be done to protect the legal aid fund from deliberate theft but the obvious question is: how was this allowed to go on so long without someone noticing?" A spokesman for SLAB said steps had been taken to prevent such fraud going undetected for so long. The body's investigation unit had been beefed up with new staff, with closer attention now paid to claims from lawyers working in specialised areas. Pauline McNeill, Labour's justice spokeswoman, said: "It's important that lessons are learned from this case."
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This is the evil and wicked nonsense the Scottish Legal Aid Board fund EVERY day and what MEN have had to tolerate in corrupt civil courts for so long.They are the major destroyers of families and the thieves who steal our homes with impunity
http://thescotsman.s
cotsman.com/ViewArti
cle.aspx?articleid=3
464991
Widow agrees to return £1.8m legal aid cash falsely claimed by solicitor
A SOLICITOR "embellished" claims for legal aid in child welfare cases with false details of sex abuse to fraudulently obtain nearly £2 million, The Scotsman can reveal. In Scotland's biggest-ever legal aid fraud, James Muir made false claims for public money in hundreds of child protection cases over seven years. Mr Muir, who kept a low profile in the profession but was regarded as one of the country's most dedicated and experienced specialist child welfare lawyers, committed suicide after the police began investigating.
Details of the case have been kept secret for two years while the Scottish Government's civil recovery unit sought to reclaim the money from his estate. Yesterday the Scottish Legal Aid Board (SLAB) announced that an agreement had been reached with Mr Muir's family that will see £1.8 million paid back to the public fund. Last night politicians demanded answers over how such abuse could go undetected for so long.
SLAB claimed the "tragic case" was a one-off and insisted it had improved procedures for checking legal aid claims. Mr Muir's wife Susan, believed to be a serving police officer, has sold the family's luxury home in Bothwell, Lanarkshire, to help pay back the money. Mr Muir, 45, who ran his practice from his home, worked mainly as a custodian, or "safeguarder", for children and minors too young to manage their own affairs or represent themselves in court. The Scotsman can reveal that from 1999 until 2005, he made false claims for legal aid in several hundred child welfare cases. At the outset, he was claiming an average of around £1,000 per case, but by the time he was caught, this had risen to £10,000. To justify the soaring claims, he "embellished" detailed application forms to the legal aid board with fabricated details of sex abuse. He even invented statements between social workers and police officers.
The fraud came to light after legal aid staff noticed his payments were steadily increasing. Strathclyde Police obtained a warrant to search Mr Muir's home and office on 20 April, 2005. Later the same day his body was discovered on a railway line. A source last night said: "Mr Muir had a niche market, being the only dedicated children's lawyer in the area. All the children existed in his claims, but he made up the grounds of referral from the Children's Reporter and they all, in effect, became sex abuse cases. This allowed him to embellish claims and increase the amount paid." Another lawyer, who did not want to be named, added: "If this had been going on in the criminal court, people would have quickly suspected something was going on. But he was basically doing this work on his own and no-one asked questions.
"Everyone thought he was simply working and doing well for himself. When it came to light, I think the legal aid board was embarrassed and furious in equal measure." Mr Muir was known to have taken on a large workload and on occasions carried out work he did not claim for. Now, following a long and detailed investigation by the legal aid board and months of negotiations, it is understood that his widow has agreed to give back all £1.8m that her husband received in legal aid over the seven years. Bill Aitken, the Conservatives' justice spokesman, said: "Little can be done to protect the legal aid fund from deliberate theft but the obvious question is: how was this allowed to go on so long without someone noticing?" A spokesman for SLAB said steps had been taken to prevent such fraud going undetected for so long. The body's investigation unit had been beefed up with new staff, with closer attention now paid to claims from lawyers working in specialised areas. Pauline McNeill, Labour's justice spokeswoman, said: "It's important that lessons are learned from this case."
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Posted by: Anne, Lothians on 2:01pm Mon 7 Jan 08
I was a victim of domestic abuse, my husband pled guilty to attempted murder - he served 18 months in prison for the attempt on my life.
My children and I lost our home, I had to move jobs, we lost contact with family members and friends and these were only some of the trials we had to suffered.
When I divorced it was a 50/50 split with no maintenance being paid,despite the fact that I was supporting two teenagers who were in full time education.
The police do not arrest men simply because a woman states the man has been violent - I phoned the police to report him on many occassions, however as there were no witnesses the police could do nothing.
Reading the comments above I wonder how many people have actually been on the receiving end of domestic abuse - there is very little help for the victim. In my case I had to fight to be given a council house, it was in a disgusting and filthy state but had no option but to take it as I was told that if I didn't accept it I would be back to the bottom of the queue.
On his release from jail my partner was given help to get his life back into order and within two weeks was allocated a lovely house in a good area.
He was offered councelling for free, which he refused. I had to wait for months to be considered for councilling and when offered had to pay for it myself.
I have no idea how bad it is for men who live with abusive women, but I do know from first hand experience how bad it is for women who live with abusive men and I also know just how difficult it is to obtain help to escape.
Instead of a male/female divide could we not all work together to try to change attitudes to all violence.
I was a victim of domestic abuse, my husband pled guilty to attempted murder - he served 18 months in prison for the attempt on my life.
My children and I lost our home, I had to move jobs, we lost contact with family members and friends and these were only some of the trials we had to suffered.
When I divorced it was a 50/50 split with no maintenance being paid,despite the fact that I was supporting two teenagers who were in full time education.
The police do not arrest men simply because a woman states the man has been violent - I phoned the police to report him on many occassions, however as there were no witnesses the police could do nothing.
Reading the comments above I wonder how many people have actually been on the receiving end of domestic abuse - there is very little help for the victim. In my case I had to fight to be given a council house, it was in a disgusting and filthy state but had no option but to take it as I was told that if I didn't accept it I would be back to the bottom of the queue.
On his release from jail my partner was given help to get his life back into order and within two weeks was allocated a lovely house in a good area.
He was offered councelling for free, which he refused. I had to wait for months to be considered for councilling and when offered had to pay for it myself.
I have no idea how bad it is for men who live with abusive women, but I do know from first hand experience how bad it is for women who live with abusive men and I also know just how difficult it is to obtain help to escape.
Instead of a male/female divide could we not all work together to try to change attitudes to all violence.
Posted by: not battered, but . . . on 10:24am Tue 8 Jan 08
To use the term 'battered women ' is an insult.
The real story of these women can [bold]never[/bold] be told. End of story.
All they need is help.
To use the term 'battered women ' is an insult.
The real story of these women can
never be told. End of story.
All they need is help.
Posted by: rhian, fife on 2:52pm Tue 8 Jan 08
i work for a fife womens aid group, i am a feminist which i term as striving for women to achieve equal rights as men I AM NOT A MAN HATER and this is a very stereptypical view. The scottish statistics do show that 90% of recorded DA is towards women, this is not to say that men are not affected. The legal system in scotland is not up to standard but the article above was not about this but refuge spaces. Women do not have an 'easy ride' when it comes to leaving an abusive partner. In our service we turn away lots of women and children because there simply is not enough refuge spaces. WHAT WE REALLY SHOULD BE DISCUSSING HOW SHOCKING IT IS THAT IN TEH 21ST CENTURY WE STILL NEED SAFE HOUSE FOR WOMEN AND CHILDREN. Men and women should be equal and NOONE has the right to use power and control over another. May we strive for a day that services such as rape crisis and womens aid are no longer needed
Ps 'heavy'- domestic abuse is a serious and shocking crime whether towards males or females and is not about 'golddigging'.
also it is a very backdated view to stated that MEN are the 'HEAD' of the household.
i work for a fife womens aid group, i am a feminist which i term as striving for women to achieve equal rights as men I AM NOT A MAN HATER and this is a very stereptypical view. The scottish statistics do show that 90% of recorded DA is towards women, this is not to say that men are not affected. The legal system in scotland is not up to standard but the article above was not about this but refuge spaces. Women do not have an 'easy ride' when it comes to leaving an abusive partner. In our service we turn away lots of women and children because there simply is not enough refuge spaces. WHAT WE REALLY SHOULD BE DISCUSSING HOW SHOCKING IT IS THAT IN TEH 21ST CENTURY WE STILL NEED SAFE HOUSE FOR WOMEN AND CHILDREN. Men and women should be equal and NOONE has the right to use power and control over another. May we strive for a day that services such as rape crisis and womens aid are no longer needed
Ps 'heavy'- domestic abuse is a serious and shocking crime whether towards males or females and is not about 'golddigging'.
also it is a very backdated view to stated that MEN are the 'HEAD' of the household.
Posted by: Michc, Edinburgh on 3:35pm Tue 8 Jan 08
I don't deny that men can be abused, that some women can abuse the system and that sometimes men can be treated unfairly however this is the minority and judgements on the issue should not be based on minority evidence.
The money that the government gave to women's aid groups was to develop new services. Refuge provision is an existing service for which funding has constistently been reduced and the removal of 'ring fencing' means that this will reduce further over the next few years. Yes the government have put more money into domestic abuse/violence against women but it is not to maintain, improve or develop existing refuge provision. There needs to be choices for women (and any accompanying children)who have experienced or are at risk of domestic abuse and refuge needs to continue to be available as one of the choices.
Refuge offers a specialist service which is crutial to the process of leaving an abusive relationship.
Funding for refuges needs to be protected and increased in order for refuges to continue to be provided and improved and developed.
I don't deny that men can be abused, that some women can abuse the system and that sometimes men can be treated unfairly however this is the minority and judgements on the issue should not be based on minority evidence.
The money that the government gave to women's aid groups was to develop new services. Refuge provision is an existing service for which funding has constistently been reduced and the removal of 'ring fencing' means that this will reduce further over the next few years. Yes the government have put more money into domestic abuse/violence against women but it is not to maintain, improve or develop existing refuge provision. There needs to be choices for women (and any accompanying children)who have experienced or are at risk of domestic abuse and refuge needs to continue to be available as one of the choices.
Refuge offers a specialist service which is crutial to the process of leaving an abusive relationship.
Funding for refuges needs to be protected and increased in order for refuges to continue to be provided and improved and developed.
Posted by: Brian, farm on 1:08pm Wed 9 Jan 08
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Posted by: Michael Wiffen, Manchester on 3:00pm Thu 10 Jan 08
Domestic Violence is a social issue, not a gender problem. It will never be reduced until both sides of the problem are acknowledged and addressed by those who claim to be concerned about it.
The persistent claim that the overwhelming majority of victims of domestic violence are women is not supported by any impartial research, either in the UK or elsewhere. The results of all gender-neutral studies of domestic violence in couple relationships, published to date, indicate that there is an almost equal numerical culpability between men and women.
In spite of mounting evidence the issue of women's violence has been discounted or ignored by the media, law enforcement agencies and the social services. Furthermore, there is reason to be alarmed when our understanding of family violence, policy making and allocation of scarce resources has been significantly shaped without regard to an abundance of evidence showing that family violence as a social phenomenon is not gender-specific. This clearly has important implications for research, education funding and social policy.
The technique of collecting data from Women's Aid type groups is misleading the public about domestic violence because they use surveys that show higher rates of men as aggressors based on National Crime Survey data or official law-enforcement records, but these studies are flawed methodologically because the samples are not representative and because men are less likely to lodge official victimisation reports.
Another problem with much of the domestic violence literature is that it is based on clinical populations, specifically battered women receiving shelter services or therapy. Data collected and conclusions drawn from those who seek shelter or therapy cannot be generalised to the broader population. Victims who seek services may differ significantly from the broader population, so the value of these studies lies primarily in spawning clinical prescriptions for treatment, not in describing or explaining domestic violence in general. Studies of residents in shelters for battered women are sometimes cited to show that it is only their male partners who are violent. However, these studies rarely obtain or report information on assaults by women, and, when they do, they ask only about self-defence, precluding information on female initiated assaults.
www.mensaid.com
Domestic Violence is a social issue, not a gender problem. It will never be reduced until both sides of the problem are acknowledged and addressed by those who claim to be concerned about it.
The persistent claim that the overwhelming majority of victims of domestic violence are women is not supported by any impartial research, either in the UK or elsewhere. The results of all gender-neutral studies of domestic violence in couple relationships, published to date, indicate that there is an almost equal numerical culpability between men and women.
In spite of mounting evidence the issue of women's violence has been discounted or ignored by the media, law enforcement agencies and the social services. Furthermore, there is reason to be alarmed when our understanding of family violence, policy making and allocation of scarce resources has been significantly shaped without regard to an abundance of evidence showing that family violence as a social phenomenon is not gender-specific. This clearly has important implications for research, education funding and social policy.
The technique of collecting data from Women's Aid type groups is misleading the public about domestic violence because they use surveys that show higher rates of men as aggressors based on National Crime Survey data or official law-enforcement records, but these studies are flawed methodologically because the samples are not representative and because men are less likely to lodge official victimisation reports.
Another problem with much of the domestic violence literature is that it is based on clinical populations, specifically battered women receiving shelter services or therapy. Data collected and conclusions drawn from those who seek shelter or therapy cannot be generalised to the broader population. Victims who seek services may differ significantly from the broader population, so the value of these studies lies primarily in spawning clinical prescriptions for treatment, not in describing or explaining domestic violence in general. Studies of residents in shelters for battered women are sometimes cited to show that it is only their male partners who are violent. However, these studies rarely obtain or report information on assaults by women, and, when they do, they ask only about self-defence, precluding information on female initiated assaults.
www.mensaid.com
Posted by: David Mortimer, Milton Keynes on 5:38pm Thu 10 Jan 08
There are no "safe houses" for male victims of domestic abuse in Scotland. NOT ONE....
There are no "safe houses" for male victims of domestic abuse in Scotland. NOT ONE....
Posted by: David Mortimer, Milton Keynes on 5:43pm Thu 10 Jan 08
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[bold]SCOTLAND has been hit by an alarming rise in domestic violence against men by WOMEN, the Sunday Mail can reveal. With girl power sending out a message that aggression is the only way to succeed, more wives and girlfriends are venting their feelings through force. Domestic violence against men has risen 81 per cent since 1999, Scottish Executive figures reveal. The most recent figures reveal 3439 men have reported being beaten up by their partners.[/bold]
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SPECIAL SUNDAY MAIL REPORT: THE FIST WIVES CLUB
By Donna White Chief Writer
SCOTLAND has been hit by an alarming rise in domestic violence against men by WOMEN, the Sunday Mail can reveal. With girl power sending out a message that aggression is the only way to succeed, more wives and girlfriends are venting their feelings through force. Domestic violence against men has risen 81 per cent since 1999, Scottish Executive figures reveal. The most recent figures reveal 3439 men have reported being beaten up by their partners. Posted by: Elaine, dalry on 12:25pm Thu 7 Feb 08
Firstly I find Heavies comments very upsetting. I work as an animal behaviourist, and I have conducted research on the prevalence of abuse of pets when women and children have been abused. It is a fact that the majority of people who commit violent crimes against animals are men, it is a fact that the majority of people who commit violent crimes against people are men; and it is a fact that the more women are abused by a man than the other way around.
Through my work with animals I come into contact with a woman, we became friends. She was a victim of abuse. She was planning to leave her husband, he found out and before she could he murdered her, 78 stab wounds, the majority of her bones were broken. It was a closed coffin funeral. Her husband has hired a "famous" QC, he expects to plead guilty to homicide and will be out of jail in 3-4 years.
My friend, had not contacted Women's Aid, she didn't think it was for people like her- the middle class and she could not have coped with living in a sink estate or a refuge.
Women's Aid need money, support and our help.
No Heavy, you are bitter, perhaps your life has made you so. But don't deny that women suffer at the hands of men, don't deny that pets suffer at teh hands of men and don't deny that people suffer at the hands of men.
For your informatiom I am not a man hater, I am very happily married and the mother of 3 boys.
The message that I teach my boys is that all people are equal, and violence against ANY living creature is not justified.
Firstly I find Heavies comments very upsetting. I work as an animal behaviourist, and I have conducted research on the prevalence of abuse of pets when women and children have been abused. It is a fact that the majority of people who commit violent crimes against animals are men, it is a fact that the majority of people who commit violent crimes against people are men; and it is a fact that the more women are abused by a man than the other way around.
Through my work with animals I come into contact with a woman, we became friends. She was a victim of abuse. She was planning to leave her husband, he found out and before she could he murdered her, 78 stab wounds, the majority of her bones were broken. It was a closed coffin funeral. Her husband has hired a "famous" QC, he expects to plead guilty to homicide and will be out of jail in 3-4 years.
My friend, had not contacted Women's Aid, she didn't think it was for people like her- the middle class and she could not have coped with living in a sink estate or a refuge.
Women's Aid need money, support and our help.
No Heavy, you are bitter, perhaps your life has made you so. But don't deny that women suffer at the hands of men, don't deny that pets suffer at teh hands of men and don't deny that people suffer at the hands of men.
For your informatiom I am not a man hater, I am very happily married and the mother of 3 boys.
The message that I teach my boys is that all people are equal, and violence against ANY living creature is not justified.