Nuclear waste stores planned for Scotland
Salmond and Westminster
head for more confrontation UP TO six new stores for nuclear waste are planned for Scotland in a move which will create a new confrontation between the Scottish government and Westminster.
Scottish ministers - who have already effectively blocked Westminster plans for new nuclear power stations north of the Border - believe waste from our existing power stations should be kept in Scotland rather than transported to a dump near Sellafield in Cumbria.
Both the UK government and British Energy, which operates the nuclear power stations, are opposed to the move.
The SNP government is considering building long-term storage facilities at or near to existing nuclear sites. This means that Hunterston in North Ayrshire, Torness in East Lothian and Dounreay in Caithness could all end up with waste stores, along with
possibly Chapelcross in Dumfries and Galloway, Rosyth in Fife and Faslane in Dunbartonshire.
The plans have been criticised by the nuclear industry, which wants to carry on disposing its waste at Drigg near Sellafield in Cumbria. But they have been welcomed by environmental groups as the "least-worst" solution.
"This is ironic and awkward, but responsible," said Duncan McLaren, the chief executive of Friends of the Earth Scotland. "Just as the Scottish government has succeeded in preventing Westminster from imposing a new generation of nuclear power stations, it has to work out what to do with the legacy of Westminster's past nuclear mistakes."
According to the Scottish government, new stores are needed because Drigg is filling up and will not be able to cope with future decommissioning waste. In line with agreed policy, Dounreay had already been chosen for such a store.
"Further facilities, which may be needed in the south of Scotland, will be developed in line with that policy," a government spokesman told the Sunday Herald.
Sites have not yet been formally identified but insiders said they were likely to be near existing nuclear plants.
The spokesman added: "Proposed additional facilities would minimise the transportation of nuclear waste across Scotland and, potentially, the rest of the UK. It is our view that the transport of these materials should be minimised."
The latest nuclear waste inventory, compiled for the government in 2004, showed that 367,000 cubic metres of packaged low- and medium-level waste are expected to arise at six sites in Scotland. Most is at Dounreay, followed by Hunterston and Chapelcross, where old reactors are being decommissioned.
There are smaller amounts at Torness, Scotland's newest nuclear station, and at the Rosyth naval dockyard, where defunct nuclear submarines are laid up. The least waste is expected to arise at the Faslane nuclear submarine base on the Clyde.
The National Planning Framework, unveiled by ministers last week, pointed out that additional facilities would also be required for more dangerous high-level waste. Scotland has rejected Westminster's idea of burying this waste deep underground in a single facility.
"Scottish government policy on higher activity radioactive waste is currently being developed," says the planning framework. "However, in accordance with the proximity principle, it is likely that facilities to manage this waste will be required in areas close to the source of origin."
It adds: "Radioactive waste also arises from the healthcare sector, the oil and gas industry and educational establishments. At present, certain types of waste are sent to England because no disposal route exists in Scotland."
The waste plans have been dismissed by British Energy, the company that runs Hunterston and Torness. "We don't agree with the Scottish government's proposals," said a spokeswoman. "We support the current UK framework."
WWF Scotland's acting director Dan Barlow said: "It is sad that as a result of our energy history we have a considerable legacy of nuclear waste to deal with. However, it is only right that we take responsibility for seeking to ensure the safe storage of this waste that we have generated here in Scotland."
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Posted by: doonhamer on 11:06pm Sat 12 Jan 08
It would be irresponsible to argue that, as Scotland does not want to provide host locations for nuclear power to expert, it would fair to export nuclear wastes.
The Scottish government is doing what is required of a responsible government. We are preventing the creation of more nuclear waste in Scotland while looking after our own nuclear waste here at home.
It would be irresponsible to argue that, as Scotland does not want to provide host locations for nuclear power to expert, it would fair to export nuclear wastes.
The Scottish government is doing what is required of a responsible government. We are preventing the creation of more nuclear waste in Scotland while looking after our own nuclear waste here at home.
Posted by: martin, dundee on 11:09pm Sat 12 Jan 08
We know the SNP want to protect Scotland from nuclear expansion.Will the other parties back this policy, or will they condemn our country to be the nuclear waste dumping groung that London Labour are intent on making us.
We know the SNP want to protect Scotland from nuclear expansion.Will the other parties back this policy, or will they condemn our country to be the nuclear waste dumping groung that London Labour are intent on making us.
Posted by: nouveauxscum on 11:19pm Sat 12 Jan 08
Sensible approach - deal with our own waste here in Scotland for as long as we have to. Under no circumstances should we accept anyone elses waste.
Sensible approach - deal with our own waste here in Scotland for as long as we have to. Under no circumstances should we accept anyone elses waste.
Posted by: Mike, Edinburgh on 11:23pm Sat 12 Jan 08
Lets hear from Wendy the crim and her party here in Scotland, on whether they have sacrified another belief to their London Masters. Stalin Broon wont tolerate disent.
Lets hear from Wendy the crim and her party here in Scotland, on whether they have sacrified another belief to their London Masters. Stalin Broon wont tolerate disent.
Posted by: HAPPY, HAPPY on 11:25pm Sat 12 Jan 08
[quote][bold]martin[/bold] wrote:
We know the SNP want to protect Scotland from nuclear expansion.Will the other parties back this policy, or will they condemn our country to be the nuclear waste dumping groung that London Labour are intent on making us.[/quote] Did you actually bother reading the report?
martin wrote:
We know the SNP want to protect Scotland from nuclear expansion.Will the other parties back this policy, or will they condemn our country to be the nuclear waste dumping groung that London Labour are intent on making us.
Did you actually bother reading the report?
Posted by: HAPPY, HAPPY on 11:56pm Sat 12 Jan 08
The nuclear waste from Hunterston and Torness is Britsh, before Scotland becomes independent, every last cubic yard will be repatriated to England, no English government is going to let Scotland be in a postion to use said waste for [bold]future nuclear generation[/bold] or [bold]processing[/bold] .
That's politics!
The nuclear waste from Hunterston and Torness is Britsh, before Scotland becomes independent, every last cubic yard will be repatriated to England, no English government is going to let Scotland be in a postion to use said waste for
future nuclear generation or
processing .
That's politics!
Posted by: nouveauxscum on 12:02am Sun 13 Jan 08
[quote][bold]HAPPY[/bold] wrote:
The nuclear waste from Hunterston and Torness is Britsh, before Scotland becomes independent, every last cubic yard will be repatriated to England, no English government is going to let Scotland be in a postion to use said waste for [bold]future nuclear generation[/bold] or [bold]processing[/bold] . That's politics![/quote] Fantastic - save us the cost of maintaining and monitoring it.
Genius.
HAPPY wrote:
The nuclear waste from Hunterston and Torness is Britsh, before Scotland becomes independent, every last cubic yard will be repatriated to England, no English government is going to let Scotland be in a postion to use said waste for future nuclear generation or processing . That's politics!
Fantastic - save us the cost of maintaining and monitoring it.
Genius.
Posted by: AM2, Glasgow, UK on 12:08am Sun 13 Jan 08
It may surprise some regular bloggers, but for the record I'm inclined to agree with the Scottish government on this particular issue.
But as an aside, perhaps one of the SNP supporters could answer the following question. Is this a long-standing SNP policy or was it formulated specifically to enable a flashpoint with Westminster?
It may surprise some regular bloggers, but for the record I'm inclined to agree with the Scottish government on this particular issue.
But as an aside, perhaps one of the SNP supporters could answer the following question. Is this a long-standing SNP policy or was it formulated specifically to enable a flashpoint with Westminster?
Posted by: stuart donaldson on 12:13am Sun 13 Jan 08
AM2 yes it a long standing SNP policy sadly
I think it would be far easier and far more expedient to get rid of the stuff south of border
but the hierarchy are a little strong headed on a principle - pray they change a little
AM2 yes it a long standing SNP policy sadly
I think it would be far easier and far more expedient to get rid of the stuff south of border
but the hierarchy are a little strong headed on a principle - pray they change a little
Posted by: doonhamer on 12:14am Sun 13 Jan 08
[quote][bold]AM2[/bold] wrote:
It may surprise some regular bloggers, but for the record I'm inclined to agree with the Scottish government on this particular issue. But as an aside, perhaps one of the SNP supporters could answer the following question. Is this a long-standing SNP policy or was it formulated specifically to enable a flashpoint with Westminster?[/quote] It was formulated as another opportunity to for you to vent your spleen against the SNP despite your inclination to support this Scottish Government policy. Is it really so hard for you to admit that the SNP made a decision that you can support.
Say it slowly....
I support the SNP decision in this matter.
We promise not to tell the other unionists on the thread. It will be our little secret.
AM2 wrote:
It may surprise some regular bloggers, but for the record I'm inclined to agree with the Scottish government on this particular issue. But as an aside, perhaps one of the SNP supporters could answer the following question. Is this a long-standing SNP policy or was it formulated specifically to enable a flashpoint with Westminster?
It was formulated as another opportunity to for you to vent your spleen against the SNP despite your inclination to support this Scottish Government policy. Is it really so hard for you to admit that the SNP made a decision that you can support.
Say it slowly....
I support the SNP decision in this matter.
We promise not to tell the other unionists on the thread. It will be our little secret.
Posted by: BM, Glasgow on 12:18am Sun 13 Jan 08
Anyone advocating nuclear dumps should remember the lesson of Mulwharchar Hil in Galloway. The UK government chose this as the preferred site for it nuclear dustbin because of its "geological stability." Then, just to prove that God has a sense off humour, in the middle of the debate there was an earthquake with Mulwharchar right at its epicentre. We heard no maore of that argument for a while!
Anyone advocating nuclear dumps should remember the lesson of Mulwharchar Hil in Galloway. The UK government chose this as the preferred site for it nuclear dustbin because of its "geological stability." Then, just to prove that God has a sense off humour, in the middle of the debate there was an earthquake with Mulwharchar right at its epicentre. We heard no maore of that argument for a while!
Posted by: AM2, Glasgow, UK on 12:19am Sun 13 Jan 08
martin, dundee wrote:
[quote]Will the other parties back this policy, or will they condemn our country to be the nuclear waste dumping groung[/quote]
You just reminded me of a nationalist blogger earlier this week on another newspaper, who posted twice in a thread on nuclear power stations.
In the first post he complained that Westminster MPs “won't let us” replace nuclear power stations.
When pointed out that the story explained that it's actually the SNP blocking such developments, he changed his tune, saying that he “didn't realise Alex vetoed this investment”, that “he [Salmond] must have good reasons” and that “that's [all] right then”.
He finished his second post with “this freedom thing is awfly complex”, indicating that his posts weren’t actually expressions of his personal views but were politically motivated to promote his goal of Scottish independence.
A perfect example of how the cult of personality can wither critical faculties!
martin, dundee wrote:
Will the other parties back this policy, or will they condemn our country to be the nuclear waste dumping groung
You just reminded me of a nationalist blogger earlier this week on another newspaper, who posted twice in a thread on nuclear power stations.
In the first post he complained that Westminster MPs “won't let us” replace nuclear power stations.
When pointed out that the story explained that it's actually the SNP blocking such developments, he changed his tune, saying that he “didn't realise Alex vetoed this investment”, that “he must have good reasons” and that “that's right then”.
He finished his second post with “this freedom thing is awfly complex”, indicating that his posts weren’t actually expressions of his personal views but were politically motivated to promote his goal of Scottish independence.
A perfect example of how the cult of personality can wither critical faculties!
Posted by: David, Glasgow on 12:19am Sun 13 Jan 08
AM2, it will not come as a surprise.
You occasionally say 'I agree with the SNP on this one' when you think that your slavish devotion to New Labour is becoming a little too obvious (your own barometer for what is obvious and what is subtly undetectable is comically disfunctional).
AM2, it will not come as a surprise.
You occasionally say 'I agree with the SNP on this one' when you think that your slavish devotion to New Labour is becoming a little too obvious (your own barometer for what is obvious and what is subtly undetectable is comically disfunctional).
Posted by: AM2, Glasgow, UK on 12:25am Sun 13 Jan 08
[quote][bold]stuart donaldson[/bold] wrote:
AM2 yes it a long standing SNP policy sadly
I think it would be far easier and far more expedient to get rid of the stuff south of border
but the hierarchy are a little strong headed on a principle - pray they change a little [/quote] Thanks for the clarification. It may seem peculiar to some that I should support the SNP decision in this matter (yes Doonhamer, I'll indulge you just this once!) when clearly it's a contentious issue among quite a few of their own supporters. Ah well, that's politics!
stuart donaldson wrote:
AM2 yes it a long standing SNP policy sadly
I think it would be far easier and far more expedient to get rid of the stuff south of border
but the hierarchy are a little strong headed on a principle - pray they change a little
Thanks for the clarification. It may seem peculiar to some that I should support the SNP decision in this matter (yes Doonhamer, I'll indulge you just this once!) when clearly it's a contentious issue among quite a few of their own supporters. Ah well, that's politics!
Posted by: AM2, Glasgow, UK on 12:28am Sun 13 Jan 08
I have no “slavish devotion” to any party. I post what I think; no more, no less. Anyway, I'll retire from the thread now before my presence prompts more people to spout conspiratorial drivel. Goodnight.
I have no “slavish devotion” to any party. I post what I think; no more, no less. Anyway, I'll retire from the thread now before my presence prompts more people to spout conspiratorial drivel. Goodnight.
Posted by: nouveauxscum on 12:28am Sun 13 Jan 08
[quote][bold]AM2[/bold] wrote:
martin, dundee wrote: [quote]Will the other parties back this policy, or will they condemn our country to be the nuclear waste dumping groung[/quote] You just reminded me of a nationalist blogger earlier this week on another newspaper, who posted twice in a thread on nuclear power stations. In the first post he complained that Westminster MPs “won\'t let us” replace nuclear power stations. When pointed out that the story explained that it\'s actually the SNP blocking such developments, he changed his tune, saying that he “didn\'t realise Alex vetoed this investment”, that “he [Salmond] must have good reasons” and that “that\'s [all] right then”. He finished his second post with “this freedom thing is awfly complex”, indicating that his posts weren’t actually expressions of his personal views but were politically motivated to promote his goal of Scottish independence. A perfect example of how the cult of personality can wither critical faculties![/quote] A perfect example of picking on the weakest link and exploiting it days later my friend. You are clearly quoting an easy target with a view to swiping indescriminately with the tar brush.
AM2 wrote:
martin, dundee wrote: Will the other parties back this policy, or will they condemn our country to be the nuclear waste dumping groung
You just reminded me of a nationalist blogger earlier this week on another newspaper, who posted twice in a thread on nuclear power stations. In the first post he complained that Westminster MPs “won\'t let us” replace nuclear power stations. When pointed out that the story explained that it\'s actually the SNP blocking such developments, he changed his tune, saying that he “didn\'t realise Alex vetoed this investment”, that “he must have good reasons” and that “that\'s right then”. He finished his second post with “this freedom thing is awfly complex”, indicating that his posts weren’t actually expressions of his personal views but were politically motivated to promote his goal of Scottish independence. A perfect example of how the cult of personality can wither critical faculties!
A perfect example of picking on the weakest link and exploiting it days later my friend. You are clearly quoting an easy target with a view to swiping indescriminately with the tar brush.
Posted by: Heederum-Hoderum, High Horse on 12:34am Sun 13 Jan 08
Eh.....Hello? Wendy?? WENDY??
can we have a statement on your and Nulabour's position on this one please?....I've asked the electoral commission who say that it's OK for you to dribble long and often on this subject hen..so let's hear it
Eh.....Hello? Wendy?? WENDY??
can we have a statement on your and Nulabour's position on this one please?....I've asked the electoral commission who say that it's OK for you to dribble long and often on this subject hen..so let's hear it
Posted by: David, Glasgow on 12:53am Sun 13 Jan 08
Am2 asserts: "I have no “slavish devotion” to any party. I post what I think; no more, no less. Anyway, I'll retire from the thread now before my presence prompts..."
So you think that following the New Labour party and thinking are mutually exclusive concepts (as implied by your refutation of following the Labour party because you, 'post what you think; no more, no less')?
I have to say that - in my more lazy moments - I may be inclined to believe you. Though not universally. I think that there are some thinkers out there who follow the Labour party and also do have the ability to think their own thoughts (and some of them quite noble ones too).
Your stern little arguments carry a certain charm, AM2. They have all the moral indignation of a Jack Glass, but are ultimately (and comically) informed by the sort of intellectual rigor one would expect of George W Bush.
Am2 asserts: "I have no “slavish devotion” to any party. I post what I think; no more, no less. Anyway, I'll retire from the thread now before my presence prompts..."
So you think that following the New Labour party and thinking are mutually exclusive concepts (as implied by your refutation of following the Labour party because you, 'post what you think; no more, no less')?
I have to say that - in my more lazy moments - I may be inclined to believe you. Though not universally. I think that there are some thinkers out there who follow the Labour party and also do have the ability to think their own thoughts (and some of them quite noble ones too).
Your stern little arguments carry a certain charm, AM2. They have all the moral indignation of a Jack Glass, but are ultimately (and comically) informed by the sort of intellectual rigor one would expect of George W Bush.
Posted by: stuart donaldosn on 1:02am Sun 13 Jan 08
[quote][bold]AM2[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]stuart donaldson[/bold] wrote: AM2 yes it a long standing SNP policy sadly I think it would be far easier and far more expedient to get rid of the stuff south of border but the hierarchy are a little strong headed on a principle - pray they change a little [/quote] Thanks for the clarification. It may seem peculiar to some that I should support the SNP decision in this matter (yes Doonhamer, I'll indulge you just this once!) when clearly it's a contentious issue among quite a few of their own supporters. Ah well, that's politics![/quote] yes you have to hand it to them on principle
must say I don't think SNP ever intentionally pick fight with London or indeed London with them
its just diff values
AM2 wrote:
stuart donaldson wrote: AM2 yes it a long standing SNP policy sadly I think it would be far easier and far more expedient to get rid of the stuff south of border but the hierarchy are a little strong headed on a principle - pray they change a little
Thanks for the clarification. It may seem peculiar to some that I should support the SNP decision in this matter (yes Doonhamer, I'll indulge you just this once!) when clearly it's a contentious issue among quite a few of their own supporters. Ah well, that's politics!
yes you have to hand it to them on principle
must say I don't think SNP ever intentionally pick fight with London or indeed London with them
its just diff values
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 1:10am Sun 13 Jan 08
Send the stuff to Japan - get it as far away as possible. Politics is not about being nice - it's about doing what is best for your nation. Too many Scots are "nice". Sometimes you have to be selfish.
Send the stuff to Japan - get it as far away as possible. Politics is not about being nice - it's about doing what is best for your nation. Too many Scots are "nice". Sometimes you have to be selfish.
Posted by: Big Mac, bm@snp.org on 1:11am Sun 13 Jan 08
It's Scotlands Oil + It's Scotlands Nuclear Waste!
Under UN Resultion **** Scots have the right to it's fair share of Nuclear Waste.
Catchy slogan and theme to keep the nats awake.
rofl
It's Scotlands Oil + It's Scotlands Nuclear Waste!
Under UN Resultion **** Scots have the right to it's fair share of Nuclear Waste.
Catchy slogan and theme to keep the nats awake.
rofl
Posted by: doonhamer on 1:17am Sun 13 Jan 08
[quote][bold]AM2[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]stuart donaldson[/bold] wrote: AM2 yes it a long standing SNP policy sadly I think it would be far easier and far more expedient to get rid of the stuff south of border but the hierarchy are a little strong headed on a principle - pray they change a little [/quote] Thanks for the clarification. It may seem peculiar to some that I should support the SNP decision in this matter (yes Doonhamer, I'll indulge you just this once!) when clearly it's a contentious issue among quite a few of their own supporters. Ah well, that's politics![/quote] AM2, I am proud of you tonight. You have taken the first step. Each subsequent time you say "I agree with the SNP" it will get so much easier. Eventually, it will seem as natural to you as getting up in the morning.
AM2 wrote:
stuart donaldson wrote: AM2 yes it a long standing SNP policy sadly I think it would be far easier and far more expedient to get rid of the stuff south of border but the hierarchy are a little strong headed on a principle - pray they change a little
Thanks for the clarification. It may seem peculiar to some that I should support the SNP decision in this matter (yes Doonhamer, I'll indulge you just this once!) when clearly it's a contentious issue among quite a few of their own supporters. Ah well, that's politics!
AM2, I am proud of you tonight. You have taken the first step. Each subsequent time you say "I agree with the SNP" it will get so much easier. Eventually, it will seem as natural to you as getting up in the morning.
Posted by: Baldintheheid, Lochaber on 1:19am Sun 13 Jan 08
Scotland has had decommissioned nuclear submarines at Rosyth since 1980 dumped there at first by the Tory Government.
Despite assurances by first Malcolm Rifkind that they would be moved if local people wished all local opinion has been ignored.
If there are no safety issues what about on the Thames at Westminster as a final resting place for these submarines.
Scotland has had decommissioned nuclear submarines at Rosyth since 1980 dumped there at first by the Tory Government.
Despite assurances by first Malcolm Rifkind that they would be moved if local people wished all local opinion has been ignored.
If there are no safety issues what about on the Thames at Westminster as a final resting place for these submarines.
Posted by: nouveauxscum on 1:21am Sun 13 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Big Mac[/bold] wrote:
It's Scotlands Oil + It's Scotlands Nuclear Waste! Under UN Resultion **** Scots have the right to it's fair share of Nuclear Waste. Catchy slogan and theme to keep the nats awake. rofl[/quote] We will take responsibility for our own waste and it will be minimized expediently.
Hell, we may even decide to dig up and repatriate that which does not belong to us.
ROFLMA LOL
Big Mac wrote:
It's Scotlands Oil + It's Scotlands Nuclear Waste! Under UN Resultion **** Scots have the right to it's fair share of Nuclear Waste. Catchy slogan and theme to keep the nats awake. rofl
We will take responsibility for our own waste and it will be minimized expediently.
Hell, we may even decide to dig up and repatriate that which does not belong to us.
ROFLMA LOL
Posted by: druidh on 1:33am Sun 13 Jan 08
And rather handily, a policy of retaining "Scottish" waste in Scotland will weaken the Unionist hand when it comes to bargaining over the break up of the UK.
And rather handily, a policy of retaining "Scottish" waste in Scotland will weaken the Unionist hand when it comes to bargaining over the break up of the UK.
Posted by: Big Mac, bm@snp.org on 1:43am Sun 13 Jan 08
[quote][bold]druidh[/bold] wrote:
And rather handily, a policy of retaining "Scottish" waste in Scotland will weaken the Unionist hand when it comes to bargaining over the break up of the UK.[/quote] And if England refuses to play ball, what you going to do , refuse to accept independence and beg to stay attached to England?
All gob and no action comes to mind.
druidh wrote:
And rather handily, a policy of retaining "Scottish" waste in Scotland will weaken the Unionist hand when it comes to bargaining over the break up of the UK.
And if England refuses to play ball, what you going to do , refuse to accept independence and beg to stay attached to England?
All gob and no action comes to mind.
Posted by: nouveauxscum on 1:50am Sun 13 Jan 08
You have us hands down Big Mac. Kudos to you.
lol
You have us hands down Big Mac. Kudos to you.
lol
Posted by: Lorren, Scotland on 2:04am Sun 13 Jan 08
Really great article by Angus Robertson in the Opinion and Debate section of the Herald today about Slovenia and Independence.
Really great article by Angus Robertson in the Opinion and Debate section of the Herald today about Slovenia and Independence.
Posted by: Dennis F. Nester, Phoenix, Arizona USA on 2:26am Sun 13 Jan 08
Letter to the Editor,
Albert Einstein once said, "Nuclear power is one
hell of a way to boil water!". There are many
agendas for it; political power (North Korea) it
pollutes everyone's DNA forever (depopulation) a
grab for tax money etc. The trick was to make
you pay for your own doomsday! But no one is
immune.
Letter to the Editor,
Albert Einstein once said, "Nuclear power is one
hell of a way to boil water!". There are many
agendas for it; political power (North Korea) it
pollutes everyone's DNA forever (depopulation) a
grab for tax money etc. The trick was to make
you pay for your own doomsday! But no one is
immune.
Posted by: Wullie on 5:36am Sun 13 Jan 08
Scotland - the best dumping ground that England has.
Yes, in the early days why do you think that Calderhall, Chaplecross and Dounreay were located where they were.
why also in the second World War do you think anthrax testing was carried out in Gruinard.
Testing depleted uranium tipped shells - well that would be the range at Dundrennan.
Yes, Scotland might be self sufficient in renewable energy but they will damned well take some nuclear stations because we cant have the risk of all of them being located in England - and England does need somewhere to dump it's waste!
Scotland - the best dumping ground that England has.
Yes, in the early days why do you think that Calderhall, Chaplecross and Dounreay were located where they were.
why also in the second World War do you think anthrax testing was carried out in Gruinard.
Testing depleted uranium tipped shells - well that would be the range at Dundrennan.
Yes, Scotland might be self sufficient in renewable energy but they will damned well take some nuclear stations because we cant have the risk of all of them being located in England - and England does need somewhere to dump it's waste!
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 5:54am Sun 13 Jan 08
Dump it in Westmonster, along with the Labour London Jock Traitors
Dump it in Westmonster, along with the Labour London Jock Traitors
Posted by: You know it makes sense on 5:55am Sun 13 Jan 08
There are many who say that the late SNP lawyer Willie Macrae was murdered by the British security Services 20 years ago for opposing Nuclear Power.
A conspiracy of un-truth, the state would not do such a thing, the Labour Government is honest, the Iraq invasion was a democratic choice to protect us from weapons of mass destruction, and Dr David Kelly commited suicide.
Oh and the rule of law in Northern Ireland was steadfastly upheld by the security services.
You know it makes sense.
There are many who say that the late SNP lawyer Willie Macrae was murdered by the British security Services 20 years ago for opposing Nuclear Power.
A conspiracy of un-truth, the state would not do such a thing, the Labour Government is honest, the Iraq invasion was a democratic choice to protect us from weapons of mass destruction, and Dr David Kelly commited suicide.
Oh and the rule of law in Northern Ireland was steadfastly upheld by the security services.
You know it makes sense.
Posted by: wenceslas, clacks on 6:05am Sun 13 Jan 08
I know its boring - but it helps if people actually read the article before commenting.. who wants tokeep the waste in Scotland? (Clue - its not the bad Westminster government)
I know its boring - but it helps if people actually read the article before commenting.. who wants tokeep the waste in Scotland? (Clue - its not the bad Westminster government)
Posted by: frank mcbride, lusitania on 9:44am Sun 13 Jan 08
This has een SNP policy since it adopted its Nuclear-free position so, this is a non-story unless it is another attempt by the Unionist Alliance to destbilise the SG.
I must, also, congratulate AM2 on his support of the SNP, even though he still had to have a little backhand swipe.
This has een SNP policy since it adopted its Nuclear-free position so, this is a non-story unless it is another attempt by the Unionist Alliance to destbilise the SG.
I must, also, congratulate AM2 on his support of the SNP, even though he still had to have a little backhand swipe.
Posted by: SC, Dundee on 10:35am Sun 13 Jan 08
[quote][bold]druidh[/bold] wrote:
And rather handily, a policy of retaining "Scottish" waste in Scotland will weaken the Unionist hand when it comes to bargaining over the break up of the UK.[/quote] It is a VERY astute political move!
a) Everyone will see it as fair. Even nimbys and environmentalists. We must deal with our own mess.
b) As you say, stops the possible unionist argument, "Stay in the Union, Cumbria stores our waste. Go independent, Scotland turns into a nuclear dump."
c) Stops any chance of the UK dump being in Scotland. Sets the precedent of 'each clean up their own'.
d) It will cost subsidy to store the waste, so why tax Scots to pay for it, but spend the tax in England?
Meanwhile, Wendy can't say a thing because Gordy is too busy to tell her what to say. Not very politically astute.
druidh wrote:
And rather handily, a policy of retaining "Scottish" waste in Scotland will weaken the Unionist hand when it comes to bargaining over the break up of the UK.
It is a VERY astute political move!
a) Everyone will see it as fair. Even nimbys and environmentalists. We must deal with our own mess.
b) As you say, stops the possible unionist argument, "Stay in the Union, Cumbria stores our waste. Go independent, Scotland turns into a nuclear dump."
c) Stops any chance of the UK dump being in Scotland. Sets the precedent of 'each clean up their own'.
d) It will cost subsidy to store the waste, so why tax Scots to pay for it, but spend the tax in England?
Meanwhile, Wendy can't say a thing because Gordy is too busy to tell her what to say. Not very politically astute.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 10:46am Sun 13 Jan 08
Surely 20% of this waste is the rest of the UK's! [bold];-)[/bold]
Surely 20% of this waste is the rest of the UK's!
;-)
Posted by: Numpty in Lum Fan in, The Wee toon on 10:48am Sun 13 Jan 08
I think that nuclear is an option that has to be considered.I will still vote SNP.
I think that nuclear is an option that has to be considered.I will still vote SNP.
Posted by: The Watford Gap, 7th Heaven on 11:12am Sun 13 Jan 08
I must say I would rather see any waste created stay where it was created instead of moving this muck by road across our beautiful land.
Having said this I seem to remember a few years ago when this issue was being discussed that the prime BRITISH location for storing this waste is actually London which sits on a massive clay pit, thus reducing any risk through tectonic activity(see BM@12.18am)
I would be very grateful if anyone out there could verify this or was I just dreaming?
I must say I would rather see any waste created stay where it was created instead of moving this muck by road across our beautiful land.
Having said this I seem to remember a few years ago when this issue was being discussed that the prime BRITISH location for storing this waste is actually London which sits on a massive clay pit, thus reducing any risk through tectonic activity(see BM@12.18am)
I would be very grateful if anyone out there could verify this or was I just dreaming?
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 11:17am Sun 13 Jan 08
I can't understand why the SNP is so upset about sending Nuclear waste to England - I thought they would ahve been delighted at the prospect of England taking our rubbish.
It is quite clear that SNP see us little more than a nuclear dump - marvellous
I can't understand why the SNP is so upset about sending Nuclear waste to England - I thought they would ahve been delighted at the prospect of England taking our rubbish.
It is quite clear that SNP see us little more than a nuclear dump - marvellous
Posted by: daveymac, web on 11:34am Sun 13 Jan 08
We must deal with our own waste legacy - totally agree.
Except Faslane - this is not our legacy at least 99% of the high level waste needs to be sent back south! Low level stuff kept close to origin as per recommendations.
We must deal with our own waste legacy - totally agree.
Except Faslane - this is not our legacy at least 99% of the high level waste needs to be sent back south! Low level stuff kept close to origin as per recommendations.
Posted by: Observer on 12:53pm Sun 13 Jan 08
Given the divergance of future energy policy this would seem the least bad option. Given that we have in fact benefitted from nuclear power in the past it would be churlish in the extreme not to dispose of waste generated here. I can't see what the fuss is about.
Given the divergance of future energy policy this would seem the least bad option. Given that we have in fact benefitted from nuclear power in the past it would be churlish in the extreme not to dispose of waste generated here. I can't see what the fuss is about.
Posted by: Exiled Aussie, Banff on 1:36pm Sun 13 Jan 08
ANOTHER FINE KETTLE OF FISH FOR "ONION HEAD" TO SORT OUT !
ANOTHER FINE KETTLE OF FISH FOR "ONION HEAD" TO SORT OUT !
Posted by: sam, greenock on 1:41pm Sun 13 Jan 08
Around 10 or 12 years ago this was Scottish Nuclears/British Energys preferred option, to store on-site at Hunterston and Torness, they'd spent a fortune on it, only to cancel when windscale said they would "re-process" it cheaper. Hee Haw to do with green issues, just cost
Around 10 or 12 years ago this was Scottish Nuclears/British Energys preferred option, to store on-site at Hunterston and Torness, they'd spent a fortune on it, only to cancel when windscale said they would "re-process" it cheaper. Hee Haw to do with green issues, just cost
Posted by: Carronade, Falkirk on 2:09pm Sun 13 Jan 08
This report is sub-titled [bold]"Salmond and Westminster head for more confrontation."[/bold]
Why is every divergence of policy from the "Westminster line" seen as Scotland and its devolved Government "picking a fight"?
Devolved government was not supported by the Scottish electorate to be used as a mere "rubber stamp".
This report is sub-titled
"Salmond and Westminster head for more confrontation."
Why is every divergence of policy from the "Westminster line" seen as Scotland and its devolved Government "picking a fight"?
Devolved government was not supported by the Scottish electorate to be used as a mere "rubber stamp".
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 2:54pm Sun 13 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Proud to be Scottish[/bold] wrote:
I can't understand why the SNP is so upset about sending Nuclear waste to England - I thought they would ahve been delighted at the prospect of England taking our rubbish.
It is quite clear that SNP see us little more than a nuclear dump - marvellous[/quote] ha ha ha ha - your really astonished at this aren't you PtbS - Just can't get yer wee bile filled head around the fact that keeping the spent fuel in storage beside the stations that produced it is actually common sense and if anything totally opposite toy uor usual rhetoric of 'SNP EATS ENGLISH BABIES' pronouncements..... so try and spin into an anti-scottish story - desperate stuff PtbS
[bold]Is the LADY for turning PtbS?[/bold]
Proud to be Scottish wrote:
I can't understand why the SNP is so upset about sending Nuclear waste to England - I thought they would ahve been delighted at the prospect of England taking our rubbish.
It is quite clear that SNP see us little more than a nuclear dump - marvellous
ha ha ha ha - your really astonished at this aren't you PtbS - Just can't get yer wee bile filled head around the fact that keeping the spent fuel in storage beside the stations that produced it is actually common sense and if anything totally opposite toy uor usual rhetoric of 'SNP EATS ENGLISH BABIES' pronouncements..... so try and spin into an anti-scottish story - desperate stuff PtbS
Is the LADY for turning PtbS?
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 2:55pm Sun 13 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Exiled Aussie[/bold] wrote:
ANOTHER FINE KETTLE OF FISH FOR "ONION HEAD" TO SORT OUT ![/quote] Who's 'onion head' then banffer.... you been sniff'n fish gills again?
Exiled Aussie wrote:
ANOTHER FINE KETTLE OF FISH FOR "ONION HEAD" TO SORT OUT !
Who's 'onion head' then banffer.... you been sniff'n fish gills again?
Posted by: The West Awake, Argyll on 3:45pm Sun 13 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Proud to be Scottish[/bold] wrote:
I can\'t understand why the SNP is so upset about sending Nuclear waste to England - I thought they would ahve been delighted at the prospect of England taking our rubbish. It is quite clear that SNP see us little more than a nuclear dump - marvellous[/quote] England have been taking our rubbish for a long time, - the Labour Party in Scotland.
However, as a Nat I could stand fairly accused of bais, - alternatively you could analyse the English email contributors over time on whether they agree and see what you get...
On a serious note, I think you actually know that the SNP are taking this action to PREVENT us becoming a nuclear dump for significant quantities of high-grade UK waste, just as we are (presently) for the UKs nuclear deterrent.
I believe the UK government are seriously considering, if not already decided, to use our country for UK high-grade waste storage. They know it will be much more difficult to do if Scotland has no nuclear power of our own and stores our own waste.
Oh, and although I realise as a Labour supporter the "principle" thing is hard for you, it is wrong for us to send our nuclear $hit to English communities who have been bribed by the UK Labour Government to take it. Especially when you call it part of a "Union Dividend".
Shameful really, but SO Nu-Labour.
Proud to be Scottish wrote:
I can\'t understand why the SNP is so upset about sending Nuclear waste to England - I thought they would ahve been delighted at the prospect of England taking our rubbish. It is quite clear that SNP see us little more than a nuclear dump - marvellous
England have been taking our rubbish for a long time, - the Labour Party in Scotland.
However, as a Nat I could stand fairly accused of bais, - alternatively you could analyse the English email contributors over time on whether they agree and see what you get...
On a serious note, I think you actually know that the SNP are taking this action to PREVENT us becoming a nuclear dump for significant quantities of high-grade UK waste, just as we are (presently) for the UKs nuclear deterrent.
I believe the UK government are seriously considering, if not already decided, to use our country for UK high-grade waste storage. They know it will be much more difficult to do if Scotland has no nuclear power of our own and stores our own waste.
Oh, and although I realise as a Labour supporter the "principle" thing is hard for you, it is wrong for us to send our nuclear $hit to English communities who have been bribed by the UK Labour Government to take it. Especially when you call it part of a "Union Dividend".
Shameful really, but SO Nu-Labour.
Posted by: Vronsky, Scotland on 4:19pm Sun 13 Jan 08
It isn't as simple a question as you might like. The presence of nuclear power stations in Scotland results from a British policy, and even in independence we have numerous legacies of Britishness to be dealt with. At the time the stations were built in Scotland we were part of the amusingly titled United Kingdom, and therefore we need to accept that nuclear waste is an unpleasant liability whose post-independence sharing needs agreed, just as we will (more pleasurably) argue that we are entitled to a share of the UK's formidable defence assets, in cash or in kind.
We'll probably need to forgive and forget that things like Dounreay - a potentially dangerous experiment in a technology that the west has now abandoned (we push our fingers into our ears and watch the Indians playing with it) - was placed way up in the north of Scotland because the incineration of a few sheep and somewhat less valuable Scotspersons was of no great consequence. While we remain in the UK, and even afterwards, we need to accept out unhappy share of the consequences. No reason why there shouldn't be some hard-headed negotiation about it, of course.
Anent this necessary negotiation, I see that that beginner's exercise in computer programming known as AM2 (presumably AM, Release 2.0) has randomly selected cliché #C0DDCF1:'Salmond seeks confrontation with Westminster' as its little Wayside Pulpit poster for today.
If I might be permitted a little aside to AM2's designer, you really must expand its database of Unionist clichés. You know you've been in the pub too long when the muzak tape repeats, but it only seems a few minutes before you hear that little 'click' and AM 2.0 cycles back. Hhmm, think it's probably #00FFD0:'Economic Black Hole' next, or maybe something from Abba. You should also give higher weighting to cliché #FFC4D0: 'How can I see my old granny in Tooting after independence'. We all enjoy that enormously. And when can we expect AM 2.1, by the way? I hear projected enhancements include ABDEJR (Automatic Brain-Dead Eric Joycian Rebuttal). Exciting!
Watch out for copyright problems, though. I think you might get some legal attention from Sega, and their AM2 (Amusement Machine 2).
PS: My spell-checker suggests ‘Brutishness’ as a correction for ‘Britishness’.
It isn't as simple a question as you might like. The presence of nuclear power stations in Scotland results from a British policy, and even in independence we have numerous legacies of Britishness to be dealt with. At the time the stations were built in Scotland we were part of the amusingly titled United Kingdom, and therefore we need to accept that nuclear waste is an unpleasant liability whose post-independence sharing needs agreed, just as we will (more pleasurably) argue that we are entitled to a share of the UK's formidable defence assets, in cash or in kind.
We'll probably need to forgive and forget that things like Dounreay - a potentially dangerous experiment in a technology that the west has now abandoned (we push our fingers into our ears and watch the Indians playing with it) - was placed way up in the north of Scotland because the incineration of a few sheep and somewhat less valuable Scotspersons was of no great consequence. While we remain in the UK, and even afterwards, we need to accept out unhappy share of the consequences. No reason why there shouldn't be some hard-headed negotiation about it, of course.
Anent this necessary negotiation, I see that that beginner's exercise in computer programming known as AM2 (presumably AM, Release 2.0) has randomly selected cliché #C0DDCF1:'Salmond seeks confrontation with Westminster' as its little Wayside Pulpit poster for today.
If I might be permitted a little aside to AM2's designer, you really must expand its database of Unionist clichés. You know you've been in the pub too long when the muzak tape repeats, but it only seems a few minutes before you hear that little 'click' and AM 2.0 cycles back. Hhmm, think it's probably #00FFD0:'Economic Black Hole' next, or maybe something from Abba. You should also give higher weighting to cliché #FFC4D0: 'How can I see my old granny in Tooting after independence'. We all enjoy that enormously. And when can we expect AM 2.1, by the way? I hear projected enhancements include ABDEJR (Automatic Brain-Dead Eric Joycian Rebuttal). Exciting!
Watch out for copyright problems, though. I think you might get some legal attention from Sega, and their AM2 (Amusement Machine 2).
PS: My spell-checker suggests ‘Brutishness’ as a correction for ‘Britishness’.
Posted by: Ian M, North Ayrshire on 4:39pm Sun 13 Jan 08
The Westminster Government should do whatever it takes either by reserved or emergency legislation to remove any decision on nuclear issues from the SNP, who are ignorant of any facts, and who as a minority Government have no mandate to tamper with Scotlands energy supplies for the next 40 years. This should not be a political issue, but one that best serves the nation rather than a bunch of tartan loving fantasists.
The Westminster Government should do whatever it takes either by reserved or emergency legislation to remove any decision on nuclear issues from the SNP, who are ignorant of any facts, and who as a minority Government have no mandate to tamper with Scotlands energy supplies for the next 40 years. This should not be a political issue, but one that best serves the nation rather than a bunch of tartan loving fantasists.
Posted by: pehman, sussex on 4:42pm Sun 13 Jan 08
If the Scottish Gov were to agree to dump their nuke waste at sites in England.
Then post Independence Sotland could find itself being blackmailed re storage costs.
So yes I agree it's our waste, we will handle it.
If the Scottish Gov were to agree to dump their nuke waste at sites in England.
Then post Independence Sotland could find itself being blackmailed re storage costs.
So yes I agree it's our waste, we will handle it.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 5:35pm Sun 13 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Ian M[/bold] wrote:
The Westminster Government should do whatever it takes either by reserved or emergency legislation to remove any decision on nuclear issues from the SNP, who are ignorant of any facts, and who as a minority Government have no mandate to tamper with Scotlands energy supplies for the next 40 years. This should not be a political issue, but one that best serves the nation rather than a bunch of tartan loving fantasists.
[/quote] [bold]ha ha ha ha ha ha[/bold] - Brilliant
Ian M wrote:
The Westminster Government should do whatever it takes either by reserved or emergency legislation to remove any decision on nuclear issues from the SNP, who are ignorant of any facts, and who as a minority Government have no mandate to tamper with Scotlands energy supplies for the next 40 years. This should not be a political issue, but one that best serves the nation rather than a bunch of tartan loving fantasists.
ha ha ha ha ha ha - Brilliant
Posted by: Bob F, Banff on 5:39pm Sun 13 Jan 08
When it became clear to London, some time ago, that there existed the chance of Scotland seceding from the union, London decided that NO WAY would nuclear waste be allowed to remain there. (Whatever next-they might , just might make atom weapons from the waste! Can't allow that!)
Therefore, Beam WILL NOT, under any circumstance, allow Scots this facility.
Interesting times ahead-see how bean gets round this-I see financial concessions" looming?
When it became clear to London, some time ago, that there existed the chance of Scotland seceding from the union, London decided that NO WAY would nuclear waste be allowed to remain there. (Whatever next-they might , just might make atom weapons from the waste! Can't allow that!)
Therefore, Beam WILL NOT, under any circumstance, allow Scots this facility.
Interesting times ahead-see how bean gets round this-I see financial concessions" looming?
Posted by: Midget Gem on 5:43pm Sun 13 Jan 08
I often wonder what will happen if the programme known as AM2 goes bad ( well ok badder) like Hal.
What form will the disintegration take?
"I know you and Vronsky were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen."
Sound of airlock doors opening. Screams. Hiss of escaping air.
I often wonder what will happen if the programme known as AM2 goes bad ( well ok badder) like Hal.
What form will the disintegration take?
"I know you and Vronsky were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen."
Sound of airlock doors opening. Screams. Hiss of escaping air.
Posted by: Miss H on 7:21pm Sun 13 Jan 08
AM2 - it is long standing SNP policy both to deal responsibly with all nuclear waste produced in Scotland and to dispose of it as close to the site of generation as possible. The less nuclear waste being transported about the country the better.
It's not about seeking confrontation with Westminster and I doubt there will be a confrontation.
AM2 - it is long standing SNP policy both to deal responsibly with all nuclear waste produced in Scotland and to dispose of it as close to the site of generation as possible. The less nuclear waste being transported about the country the better.
It's not about seeking confrontation with Westminster and I doubt there will be a confrontation.
Posted by: Neil, Gloucestershire, England on 8:40pm Sun 13 Jan 08
Why not store it in the basement of 10 Downing Street, after all it is completely safe - so Bean says.
Why not store it in the basement of 10 Downing Street, after all it is completely safe - so Bean says.
Posted by: tcek, south lanarkshire on 9:08pm Sun 13 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Ian M[/bold] wrote:
The Westminster Government should do whatever it takes either by reserved or emergency legislation to remove any decision on nuclear issues from the SNP, who are ignorant of any facts, and who as a minority Government have no mandate to tamper with Scotlands energy supplies for the next 40 years. This should not be a political issue, but one that best serves the nation rather than a bunch of tartan loving fantasists. [/quote] Westminster's using Scotland as a doormat are coming to an end and If you remember correctly Scottish voters booted out the criminal labour last May. So you wand Westminster to use Nazi tactics remember Hitler used emergency powers after the Reich stag fire and we all know what happened after that. For your benefit this is a political issue and that is what is called democracy. And you ignoramus are ignorant of any fact's I'LL let you know this, the criminal Wendy is expected to have her fate known this week and should the electoral commission who have a lot of labour members sitting on it, just rap her over the knuckles then the police will have to act on the private complaints so a fitting end to her tampering is looming and there is no such thing as the labour party anymore.
Ian M wrote:
The Westminster Government should do whatever it takes either by reserved or emergency legislation to remove any decision on nuclear issues from the SNP, who are ignorant of any facts, and who as a minority Government have no mandate to tamper with Scotlands energy supplies for the next 40 years. This should not be a political issue, but one that best serves the nation rather than a bunch of tartan loving fantasists.
Westminster's using Scotland as a doormat are coming to an end and If you remember correctly Scottish voters booted out the criminal labour last May. So you wand Westminster to use Nazi tactics remember Hitler used emergency powers after the Reich stag fire and we all know what happened after that. For your benefit this is a political issue and that is what is called democracy. And you ignoramus are ignorant of any fact's I'LL let you know this, the criminal Wendy is expected to have her fate known this week and should the electoral commission who have a lot of labour members sitting on it, just rap her over the knuckles then the police will have to act on the private complaints so a fitting end to her tampering is looming and there is no such thing as the labour party anymore.
Posted by: the guvnor, outside the prison on 9:28pm Sun 13 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Wardog[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Ian M[/bold] wrote:
The Westminster Government should do whatever it takes either by reserved or emergency legislation to remove any decision on nuclear issues from the SNP, who are ignorant of any facts, and who as a minority Government have no mandate to tamper with Scotlands energy supplies for the next 40 years. This should not be a political issue, but one that best serves the nation rather than a bunch of tartan loving fantasists.
[/quote] [bold]ha ha ha ha ha ha[/bold] - Brilliant [/quote] I agree. Brilliant. And honest and true and too near the bone for nationalists, but wardog likes it, and so do I.
well done Ian and wardog.
Wardog wrote:
Ian M wrote:
The Westminster Government should do whatever it takes either by reserved or emergency legislation to remove any decision on nuclear issues from the SNP, who are ignorant of any facts, and who as a minority Government have no mandate to tamper with Scotlands energy supplies for the next 40 years. This should not be a political issue, but one that best serves the nation rather than a bunch of tartan loving fantasists.
ha ha ha ha ha ha - Brilliant
I agree. Brilliant. And honest and true and too near the bone for nationalists, but wardog likes it, and so do I.
well done Ian and wardog.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 9:53pm Sun 13 Jan 08
[quote][bold]the guvnor[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Wardog[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Ian M[/bold] wrote:
The Westminster Government should do whatever it takes either by reserved or emergency legislation to remove any decision on nuclear issues from the SNP, who are ignorant of any facts, and who as a minority Government have no mandate to tamper with Scotlands energy supplies for the next 40 years. This should not be a political issue, but one that best serves the nation rather than a bunch of tartan loving fantasists.
[/quote] [bold]ha ha ha ha ha ha[/bold] - Brilliant [/quote] I agree. Brilliant. And honest and true and too near the bone for nationalists, but wardog likes it, and so do I.
well done Ian and wardog.[/quote] Guvnor - [bold]ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...[/bold] .yes way toooo close to the bone
You do realise that this is a democracy don't you, that power's are devolved to the Scottish Government.... are you advocating that these powers should be removed from Holyrood?
That's wouldn't be a very good start for Wendy's Constitutional Commission now is it?
the guvnor wrote:
Wardog wrote:
Ian M wrote:
The Westminster Government should do whatever it takes either by reserved or emergency legislation to remove any decision on nuclear issues from the SNP, who are ignorant of any facts, and who as a minority Government have no mandate to tamper with Scotlands energy supplies for the next 40 years. This should not be a political issue, but one that best serves the nation rather than a bunch of tartan loving fantasists.
ha ha ha ha ha ha - Brilliant
I agree. Brilliant. And honest and true and too near the bone for nationalists, but wardog likes it, and so do I.
well done Ian and wardog.
Guvnor -
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ... .yes way toooo close to the bone
You do realise that this is a democracy don't you, that power's are devolved to the Scottish Government.... are you advocating that these powers should be removed from Holyrood?
That's wouldn't be a very good start for Wendy's Constitutional Commission now is it?
Posted by: Tartan loving fantasist on 11:05pm Sun 13 Jan 08
well how hilarious, isn't the guvnor just wonderful. His love of nuclear is genuinely touching , in fact it makes me feel all kind of GLOWING.
Let's hope things don't go horribly wrong outside the prison and the guvnor doesn't find himself like the child in the photograph running along the street , trailing flesh. For some people that really is "too near the bone...."
well how hilarious, isn't the guvnor just wonderful. His love of nuclear is genuinely touching , in fact it makes me feel all kind of GLOWING.
Let's hope things don't go horribly wrong outside the prison and the guvnor doesn't find himself like the child in the photograph running along the street , trailing flesh. For some people that really is "too near the bone...."
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