Parents ‘see drink as better than drugs’ Policeman behind bottle-marking scheme speaks out A POLICE chief has attacked parents for encouraging their children to abuse alcohol because they view it as less dangerous than drugs.
Northern Constabulary has become the first in Scotland to trial a scheme where off-licences use ultraviolet pens to mark bottles and cans with a code so police can track down where alcohol has been illegally bought by under-18s.
Police hope finding the source will allow them to snare off-licence owners who are breaking the law, or lead them to arrest older teenagers who often buy alcohol for those who are under-age.
Chief Inspector Paul Eddington, the operational commander for Ross, Cromarty and Skye, who is behind the scheme, is frustrated that some parents view their children drinking as less dangerous than smoking cannabis.
He said: "We've lost the thread somewhere when parents come up to our front counter demanding the bottle of wine we've confiscated from their youngster, as has happened to us. It's very frustrating when this minority are rather upset we've taken alcohol off their 14-year-old bundle of joy. Parents need to know what their children are up to and speak to them about their responsibilities.
"The parents have as much, if not more, responsibility than police officers, who are not here to babysit youngsters on Friday and Saturday nights when they are let loose in towns. A lot of the time they don't have a clue where their children are or what they are up to.
"We are increasingly finding some parents are saying, well at least they are not taking drugs'. To be perfectly honest, to a 14-year-old a half-bottle of vodka is probably more lethal than a puff of cannabis. They can't seem to see that."
His comments echoed those of Helen Newlove, who spoke out last week after the drunken teenagers who kicked her husband to death in Warrington, Cheshire, were convicted. Newlove called for parents to be jailed if they can't stop their children getting high on drink and drugs like those who killed her husband.
Eddington said that people needed to be taught that alcohol can be as destructive as drugs after his division's latest figures showed the problem is as bad in rural communities as urban areas. His officers confiscated alcohol, including a high level of spirits which appeared to have been taken from family drinks supplies, from 490 youths last year and in another 50 cases after groups had been dispersed. The figures are exceptional because only about 50,000 people live in the mainly rural communities.
Eddington said that the age of the children being arrested was coming down. "We're getting children as young as 11 or 12, and regularly 14-year-olds, under the influence of drink," he said.
"We kickstarted the bottle-marking scheme after convincing licensees it was in their interests. The ultraviolet pen is visible under a special light and enables our officers to know which off-licence could have sold, say, 10 bottles of beer. It gives us a start if we can identify the source, but hopefully it will also make alcohol more difficult for youngsters to get hold of."
Wanda Mackay, a youth development worker at the Princes Trust-backed Cromarty Youth Cafe on the Black Isle, said that, in some cases, young people and their parents were reluctant for them to take part in education projects.
She said: "They think older people are making judgements about them, and think people are picking on them. They have seen the older people drinking and think they should be able to do it too."
Mackay, whose group has received £20,000 from Highland Council and Lloyds TSB's charitable fund to provide other activities for youngsters, advocates harm reduction to avoid placing young people - who she said would always find ways of experimenting with alcohol - in unnecessary danger.
She added: "Not all young people who are drinking are causing problems, but it's not good for them to be drinking in a cold or wooded area alone. We had a girl left by her fellow drinkers when she was drunk. She'd have been found dead if she hadn't been found in the dark."
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Posted by: Derek, Norwich on 10:02pm Sat 19 Jan 08
"Eddington said that people needed to be taught that alcohol can be as destructive as drugs"
Please, alcohol IS a drug, it's legal status doesn't stop it being one.
The news is full of cannabis shock horror stories as the government tries to sustain it's unworkable drugs "policy", but in truth we have a serious drug problem with alcohol.
For heavens sake, lets get real. Cannabis, for all its problems, is a **** cat compared to booze.
The first step in dealing with this situation is to get rid of the "alcohol and drugs" mindset, there are only drugs.
"Eddington said that people needed to be taught that alcohol can be as destructive as drugs"
Please, alcohol IS a drug, it's legal status doesn't stop it being one.
The news is full of cannabis shock horror stories as the government tries to sustain it's unworkable drugs "policy", but in truth we have a serious drug problem with alcohol.
For heavens sake, lets get real. Cannabis, for all its problems, is a **** cat compared to booze.
The first step in dealing with this situation is to get rid of the "alcohol and drugs" mindset, there are only drugs.
Posted by: derek, Norwich on 10:04pm Sat 19 Jan 08
I should just point out that I wrote pus_sy cat, I didn't swear!?
Good job I didn't mention Scunthorpe.
Derek
I should just point out that I wrote pus_sy cat, I didn't swear!?
Good job I didn't mention Scunthorpe.
Derek
Posted by: Winston Matthews, Horley, Surrey on 11:49pm Sat 19 Jan 08
I seriously think you need to start with the parents, the alcohol trade, has deaths associated with overdosing on this drug. So alcohol is more lethal than cannabis as you can not over dose on.
Alcohol related crime is hitting our streets at night, with old people afraid of the young rowdy drunken youngsters.
Nicotine is also problematic to children at that age. Yet where is the adage of "keep off of that drug kids, your not gonna look cool in a lung cancer unit."
With solvent abuse killing youngsters, and hard drugs being on sale.
We need to start calling Alcohol a dangerous killing drug, I must agree with derek, Norwich Cannabis is like a **** cat next to these other drugs.
I seriously think you need to start with the parents, the alcohol trade, has deaths associated with overdosing on this drug. So alcohol is more lethal than cannabis as you can not over dose on.
Alcohol related crime is hitting our streets at night, with old people afraid of the young rowdy drunken youngsters.
Nicotine is also problematic to children at that age. Yet where is the adage of "keep off of that drug kids, your not gonna look cool in a lung cancer unit."
With solvent abuse killing youngsters, and hard drugs being on sale.
We need to start calling Alcohol a dangerous killing drug, I must agree with derek, Norwich Cannabis is like a **** cat next to these other drugs.
Posted by: June Sweeney, Wales on 8:11am Sun 20 Jan 08
[quote]Eddington said that the age of the children being arrested was coming down. "We're getting children as young as 11 or 12, and regularly 14-year-olds, under the influence of drink," he said.[/quote] The legal age for children drinking alcohol in the home is 8years old! That isn't a good message for parents. Alcohol is as dangerous as hard drugs and very cheap to buy. I agree with the above postings that cannabis is a pussycat in comparison to alcohol.
Eddington said that the age of the children being arrested was coming down. "We're getting children as young as 11 or 12, and regularly 14-year-olds, under the influence of drink," he said.
The legal age for children drinking alcohol in the home is 8years old! That isn't a good message for parents. Alcohol is as dangerous as hard drugs and very cheap to buy. I agree with the above postings that cannabis is a pussycat in comparison to alcohol.
Posted by: Just a Thought........... on 11:56am Sun 20 Jan 08
Cannabis causes mental health problems and social disconnection. It destroys motivation and yadayadayada. Substitute 'alcohol' as the first word and there is true statement about contemporary Britain. Alcohol is and always has been the bigger issue in society, primarily because it is sanctioned socially, leading to extreme denial about its negative effects. After all, it generates untold wealth for the manufacturers and the tax gatherers, does it not? Try getting any average citizen to admit that he or she drinks too much. Not likely. Legalisation of cannabis would enable a huge income from sales and taxation and would remove a lucrative trade from the criminal sector. People will do their drug of choice no matter what the 'system' says about it. Education is the key.
If we refuse to learn from history, we are destined to repeat it endlessly and fruitlessly. Look at the impact of Prohibition in the USA.
Cannabis causes mental health problems and social disconnection. It destroys motivation and yadayadayada. Substitute 'alcohol' as the first word and there is true statement about contemporary Britain. Alcohol is and always has been the bigger issue in society, primarily because it is sanctioned socially, leading to extreme denial about its negative effects. After all, it generates untold wealth for the manufacturers and the tax gatherers, does it not? Try getting any average citizen to admit that he or she drinks too much. Not likely. Legalisation of cannabis would enable a huge income from sales and taxation and would remove a lucrative trade from the criminal sector. People will do their drug of choice no matter what the 'system' says about it. Education is the key.
If we refuse to learn from history, we are destined to repeat it endlessly and fruitlessly. Look at the impact of Prohibition in the USA.
Posted by: drunkasaskunk on 1:36pm Sun 20 Jan 08
Older teenagers who are buying alcohol for the younger, who are they trying to kid. Look outside any glasgow off sales at the weekend and you will see a bunch of kids asking every adult that goes into the off sales to buy them drink. This has been going on for years and the police and the tradinng standards do nothing about it. It would be interesting to ask under the freedom of information how many adults have been arrested buying drink for the underagers.
Marking the drink is a great idea but it is only one idea, they need a multi-angled approach to stopping the ned culture and bullying and murder that goes on once they are **** out their brains.
Older teenagers who are buying alcohol for the younger, who are they trying to kid. Look outside any glasgow off sales at the weekend and you will see a bunch of kids asking every adult that goes into the off sales to buy them drink. This has been going on for years and the police and the tradinng standards do nothing about it. It would be interesting to ask under the freedom of information how many adults have been arrested buying drink for the underagers.
Marking the drink is a great idea but it is only one idea, they need a multi-angled approach to stopping the ned culture and bullying and murder that goes on once they are **** out their brains.
Posted by: Observer on 2:38pm Sun 20 Jan 08
What is this dude talking about ? Cannabis may well be less dangerous than alcohol but it's a lot more dangerous to buy it, isn't it ? Teenagers have always drunk alcohol this is not a new phenomena, what is perhaps new is that there don't seem to be enough cops to deal with it. Kids drink because their parents drink. Let's not be hypocrites.
What is this dude talking about ? Cannabis may well be less dangerous than alcohol but it's a lot more dangerous to buy it, isn't it ? Teenagers have always drunk alcohol this is not a new phenomena, what is perhaps new is that there don't seem to be enough cops to deal with it. Kids drink because their parents drink. Let's not be hypocrites.
Posted by: Cork, Ireland on 9:35pm Sun 20 Jan 08
this is the most pathetic excuse of an article i have read in ages.
a drug is defined as a chemical that changes the natural flow of the body.. why is alcohol excluded as a drug? why must "drug" be catagorised as illegal, bad and threatening?
alcohol is 1 of the most dangerous drugs and its widely available everywhere for everyone. millions of people have died from drink and from other people drinking and they will continue to die untill this weak style of writing is stopped and proper education is introduced.
NOONE has died from cannabis and i would definately prefer to see my adolescent children puffing on cannabis than getting drunk.
get your facts right before writing again, we dont want to read this [bold]crap[/bold] !
this is the most pathetic excuse of an article i have read in ages.
a drug is defined as a chemical that changes the natural flow of the body.. why is alcohol excluded as a drug? why must "drug" be catagorised as illegal, bad and threatening?
alcohol is 1 of the most dangerous drugs and its widely available everywhere for everyone. millions of people have died from drink and from other people drinking and they will continue to die untill this weak style of writing is stopped and proper education is introduced.
NOONE has died from cannabis and i would definately prefer to see my adolescent children puffing on cannabis than getting drunk.
get your facts right before writing again, we dont want to read this
crap !
Posted by: Sean, London on 8:48am Mon 21 Jan 08
We should wonder why the Labour Government has deliberately kept the price of alcohol down, by zero- rating duties, in every Budget since 1997.
We should wonder what the Labour Government thinks was to be gained by relaxing licensing laws.
We should wonder why the Labour Government only ever talks about "binge drinking teenagers", when alcoholic ill- health devastates (and ends) lives of all ages.
We should wonder why, uniquely among all drugs, the Government actually *recommends* people drink. ("Do your Patriotic Duty! Drink 21 units a week then stop!")
We should wonder why it is acceptable for the media, especially the tax funded BBC, to promote alcohol use as a happy, safe and sociable habit, when it is clearly none of these.
And we should worry that the Labour Government uses ignorant scare stories about cannabis to generate headlines.
We should wonder why the Labour Government has deliberately kept the price of alcohol down, by zero- rating duties, in every Budget since 1997.
We should wonder what the Labour Government thinks was to be gained by relaxing licensing laws.
We should wonder why the Labour Government only ever talks about "binge drinking teenagers", when alcoholic ill- health devastates (and ends) lives of all ages.
We should wonder why, uniquely among all drugs, the Government actually *recommends* people drink. ("Do your Patriotic Duty! Drink 21 units a week then stop!")
We should wonder why it is acceptable for the media, especially the tax funded BBC, to promote alcohol use as a happy, safe and sociable habit, when it is clearly none of these.
And we should worry that the Labour Government uses ignorant scare stories about cannabis to generate headlines.