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Forget ‘a man’s a man for a’ that’ – Burns planned to make fortune from slave trade
Slavery was poet’s ‘blind spot’ says lecturer
By Lynn Kelly

HERALDED AS a forward-looking champion of brotherhood who embraced all of humanity, national bard Robert Burns would have been in the business of people-trafficking - but took cold feet, according to a Burns expert.

Notorious for fornication and exploiting women, Burns had a fantasy to emigrate to Jamaica and become a slave driver before making his fortune and returning to Scotland, says Dr Gerard Carruthers, a lecturer in Scottish literature at the University of Glasgow in a new paper to be published later this month.

He said: "Although the reason often given by biographers for Burns aborting his Jamaican plan is the death of his lover and a delay in winding up his affairs, I think Burns had taken cold feet about his proposed voyage long before this. In fact I believe it was a fantasy he harboured based purely on his injured class pride."

Burns, claims Carruthers, never got over his father-in-law's disapproval of him. He and Jean Armour married in 1786, but her father employed a lawyer to dissolve the marriage and even threatened to have Burns put in jail. The poet then ran off with his servant girl, Mary Campbell (Highland Mary) and resolved to start a new life with her in Jamaica.

But Burns, claims the academic, never got over the snub which left him simmering and fantasising about returning to Scotland rich and successful.

He said: "Burns sets up a pose, makes inquiries and carries on the fantasy aspiring to be in a higher class and lord it over those who had previously snubbed him.

"He may not have been seriously contemplating going to the slave plantations, but even to pose as a potential slave manager doesn't cast him in a very good light at this period in his life."

And the class-conscious bard was strangely silent on slavery at a time when abolition was a big issue. Carruthers claims this points to a lack of concern.

He said: "Even supposedly right-wing contemporary Scottish poets wrote more against slavery. For instance, the Glasgow poet William Campbell, who was against the French Revolution, published poems in Glasgow newspapers passionately protesting against the crimes against humanity that Britons were committing on a daily basis both in their own country and overseas against black people.

"Burns only writes one mediocre song, The Slave's Lament, which has very little to say about the plight of the slaves.

"And in the poem, On A Scotch Bard, Gone To The West Indies, he projects a happier life among people who will care about him. Well, these presumably white people may care about Burns, but in this poem he is completely devoid of compassion for the human traffic that is all around him."

Carruthers claims that Burns is unsympathetic and lacking in imagination as far as slavery is concerned, and that he even ridicules abolitionists in some of his work. He said: "In another of his poems, The Ordination, Burns pokes fun at the unenlightened ignorance of certain Calvinists in Ayrshire. And yet some of those Burns names are among the most vocal abolitionists."

"It's even possible that his use of the phrase the coward slave' in A Man's A Man For A' That, taps into contemporary notions at this time about how those enduring slavery without resisting became weak and almost less than human. The great poet of humanity has a blind spot."

Johnny Roger, editor of The Drouth magazine, where the article will be published, expects a Burnsian backlash.

He said: "With a steady critical eye and a flawless knowledge of the poet's work, Carruthers insists on appreciating Burns as a great and powerful writer and not as some kind of cult prophet. He doesn't go quite as far as to call Burns a passive or cultural racist', but he does claim that Burns just had little interest' in how appalling was the slave trade which flourished in his day.

"He may indeed be the only critic who reads the line a man's a man for a' that' as absolutely literal. It will win him few friends from the Burns-cult mindset but for the rest of us it is an open, mature and vital reading. Frankly, it's a relief."

Burns and slavery is one of the topics to be discussed at this year's Burns an a' that! festival. Carruthers, along with a panel of experts from the Centre for Robert Burns Studies, will discuss controversial issues surrounding the poet at the National Heritage Park in Ayrshire.

The event, titled The Robert Burns Conspiracies, will be held on Tuesday, May 20, at 7pm. The panel will also talk about whether Burns sent guns to the French revolutionaries.

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Posted by: maragdubh, lewis on 12:02am Sun 20 Jan 08
timely most timely. was Burns for or against nuclear power well you can make it up im sure.
Posted by: John saultire, Scotland on 1:18am Sun 20 Jan 08
In the future Gordon Brown will be seen as the enemy of mankind for supporting nuclear generation but only intelligent aware persons like Alex Salmond have the courage and wit to criticise him now in this age of ignorance. In Burns' day slavery was viewed like nuclear power today and.......
Posted by: Doozie, Chicago on 1:43am Sun 20 Jan 08
This seems like a piece of historical research as opposed to "news".
Can I submit my thesis about how Burns invented social science?
Posted by: Gregor Addison, Scotland on 1:54am Sun 20 Jan 08
I wonder if we'll be saying things like this about John Lennon in two hundred years? It's a shame that we have to go tabloid on Burns - I mean, the guy probably wasn't perfect (he wasn't Jesus after all) - but do we have to ritually crucify him?
Posted by: Brian, Glasgow on 7:13am Sun 20 Jan 08
These so called "academics" are vomit inducing. Anything for publicity. Sad indeed. In fact, they look pathetic.

He, like so many others, is using the "race" card.

If they don't do that they use the gender or religion card. They look pathetic. WHY give people like that publicity?
Posted by: Alice in Wonderland "academic&quo t;, Largs on 7:18am Sun 20 Jan 08
How often does the "academic" use the word "possible"? Yes it is possible Burns was this and that... But...

It is possible he believed in little green men from outer space... but...

Anything for publicity eh? Sad.





Posted by: Kevin on 7:33am Sun 20 Jan 08
Mr Carruthers will probably be feeling very pleased with himself that people are talking about Mr Carruthers rather than the egalitarian poetry of Robert Burns.

Poor ole Mr Carruthers is so unhappy with The Slave's Lament - the poetic spoke in his fantasy - that he can scarcely conceal his contempt for it. He childishly describes this unambiguous statement against slavery as "a mediocre song." Yes, Mr Carruthers, that damned song gets in the way of a mediocre theory.

The final cry of the desperate self-publicist that is Mr Carruthers is to describe anyone who doesn't agree with him as being in a "Burns cult".

Whatever.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 7:40am Sun 20 Jan 08
Is this yet another attempt to demean Scottish history and reduce it all to junk.

The lengths some folk will go for fifteen minutes of fame.
The class-conscious bard was strangely silent on slavery at a time when abolition was a big issue. Carruthers claims this points to a lack of concern.
I am silent on the lamentable lack of integrity or literary ability of Carruthers - a sure sign of my lack of concern for his plight.

Posted by: Boabby, Vancouver Island on 7:43am Sun 20 Jan 08
Mr Carruthers----whit a load o' speculative waffle. The big difference atween Rabbie an; me---and maist ither cheils, was the fact that Burns was honest and forthcoming about not only his beliefs, but also his actions. How many ---c'mon Guys---who would dare to be as honest and open about their relations with the the Lassies in their young heydays would fall all that much short of Rabbie's exploits? And how many would have the obvious admiration for the opposite sex to be able to write publicly "He tried his 'prentice hand on man, --and then He made the Lassies!"?
No, Dr Gerard----ye're talkin like a man wha was wi Rab Burns as he made his wey thro' life---an' like mony a yin wha claims familiarity wi the Auld Testament, ye come up wi yer ain airy fairy conclusions. Read his poetry. His contempt for hypocrisy and his love of his country and concern for injustice and cruelty comes shining through.
Dr Carruthers, gi'es peace!
Posted by: Caledonia, 685-099 on 8:28am Sun 20 Jan 08
Aye, we are seeing efforts by the Unionistas again to rubbish our history. Burns was indeed ready to embark at Greenock for a job in the West Indies when he received a letter from the blind Edinburgh poet,Dr Thomas Blacklock, to come to Edinburgh and it was from there his poetry took off.Rememeber at that time even great revolutionaries such as George Washington whom Burns admired (see 'Ode on George Washington's Birthday) felt that the abolition of slavery was still some way down the line historically.
Posted by: Neal Sillars, Spain on 10:03am Sun 20 Jan 08
I'm wondering what would happen if a foreign school teacher let the kids in primary three name their teddy ear 'Rabbie'. Would we jail her for insulting 'The Bard'? Judging by some of the posts, I suspect we would.

If you have a problem with Dr Carruther's conclusions, giv him an academic debate - not one from the heart.

I'm a great fan of Burns and of the traditions which have grown up around the 25th January, but I do think that we have to allow the academic community to carry out its research and publish its papers - if for no other reason, then because the universities don't get so much funding if they don't.

I do think it is important to accept that Burns isn't God and that it's ok to critique him without having to endure the wrath of the fundamentalists. Sometimes I wonder if our love of Burns causes us to cast a shadow over our other great poets - both past and contemporary.

For those of us who think that Burns is the be all and end all of Scots poetry - do you really want Scotland to be a conglemaration of romantic notions coming only from the past?

As I say - I'm a great fan of Burns - but let's open our minds a little to others and let's not take offence any time someone tries to get us to peep our heads over our entrenched views to see a wider picture.

sillars@hotmail.com

Posted by: Old Tam on 10:09am Sun 20 Jan 08
I have it on authority that one evening Burns drunk whisky and on another, ale. Maybe. He also might have eaten fish or perhaps beef but I can't say exactly where or when. I do know that one Tuesday it was really cold and he put on a coat.
Posted by: Alan, Aberdeen on 10:31am Sun 20 Jan 08
I think the best-selling author, actress, playwright, poet, civil-rights activist, producer and director, historian, Professor Maya Angelou should be the one to make a decision on whether Burns was racist. She has made a study of all Burn's works, and is a recognized authority and has published books on Burns . She is a self-confessed fan of Burns. She made a film with the BBC a few years back in which she visited the Ayrshire Burns Club, and recites his poetry in her own deep voiced style. Her particular favourite was the " Slave's lament". I think Angelou has the perspective to state whether Burns poetry was in any way racist. Maya Angelou and her love of Burns poetry speaks volumes in itself.

For anyone unfamiliar with this lady and her lifetime work in civil rights and how to just be human, this site has a short biography.
http://www.achieveme
nt.org/autodoc/page/
ang0bio-1


Posted by: Neal Sillars on 10:34am Sun 20 Jan 08
I see that Alan has started the academic debate!
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 10:51am Sun 20 Jan 08
Its dumb to put 21first century values and ideals on an 18th century man.
In 200 years time , people will be looking back and asking how Kirsty Wark an old labour witch bitchh harpy got a job on BBC newsnight.
Posted by: Big Eye on 10:52am Sun 20 Jan 08
Is this definitive proof that Burns and Alex Salmond are related?

They certainly appear to attract the same press coverage and the level of evidence needed to obtain a damaging headline seems to me pretty similar.

What is it about our media that chooses to denigrate someone like Robert Burns at the same time as over 200 countries in the World seek to celebrate his life?

What is wrong with us?
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 10:57am Sun 20 Jan 08
This article is written by a woman Lynn Kelly. nuff said.
Posted by: Hall Of Montezuma, Shores Of Whiting Bay on 11:00am Sun 20 Jan 08
Dae us a favour Lynn
..tell Carruthers that he's a numpty please !!!
Pure unadulterated drivel......We'd do as well tae speculate on Burns view on interplanetary space travel,or the price o' fish, or is this article worth the paper it's written on??
Posted by: Plobotsky on 11:30am Sun 20 Jan 08
Having read the comments above I now understand that this is nothing but a unionist catholic feminist conspitacy. In the new, liberated Scotland we will be free of unionists, catholics and feminists and people will be free to hold correct and responsible views on how to read poetry.
Posted by: angusb, Plantation on 11:36am Sun 20 Jan 08
Wullie says: 'Its dumb to put 21first century values and ideals on an 18th century man.' But see the attitude of Dr Johnson: the alleged Tory toasted the next insurrection of negroes in the West Indies.
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 11:39am Sun 20 Jan 08
Lyne Kelly should spend more time at the hairdressers getting her legs waxed.
And leave proper journalism to the men folk.
Posted by: Oscar X MacNab, Burnsopolis on 11:41am Sun 20 Jan 08
I'm dismayed that Carruthers has failed to shed any new light on claims that Burns was instrumental in forming the Dumfries brach of the KKK.
Posted by: Plobotsky on 11:43am Sun 20 Jan 08
Oscar X MacNab wrote:
I'm dismayed that Carruthers has failed to shed any new light on claims that Burns was instrumental in forming the Dumfries brach of the KKK.
But wasn't he a Mason? That's pretty bad.
Posted by: ToshWatch on 11:44am Sun 20 Jan 08
I hope this aademic is regretting the treatment of his article by this scandal sheet. The screaming headline says Burns planned to make a fortune from slavery but the body of the article says

"Burns sets up a pose, makes inquiries and carries on the fantasy aspiring to be in a higher class and lord it over those who had previously snubbed him. He may not have been seriously contemplating going to the slave plantations, but even to pose as a potential slave manager doesn't cast him in a very good light at this period in his life."
Posted by: Harry, Bishopbriggs on 11:51am Sun 20 Jan 08
I must admit that I have been intriqued by "the coward slave" in Burns's greatest poem.
Did he mean "cowered slave" and it got miswritten. There are plenty of these all over the world even in this enlightened time.
Posted by: DrouthWatch on 11:57am Sun 20 Jan 08
The Drouth is, according to their website, available for sale in Glasgow, Edinburgh, Dublin and Grenoble and it seems to be the house journal for Owen Dudley Edwards. As someone actively interested in Scottish history and literature I've certainly never heard of The Drouth but then I don't drink in Edinburgh or Glasgow pubs (or visit the University of Grenoble).
Posted by: jim mitchell, Sauchie, Clack's on 12:26pm Sun 20 Jan 08
I don't know the answer to this question, just as Gerard Caruthers doesn't seem to know either, unlike him, therefore, I wouldn't try to present supposition as fact.

He is only stirring it.
Posted by: Andrew Lindsay, Cellardyke on 12:34pm Sun 20 Jan 08
Maybe Dr Carruthers has read my book, 'Illustrious Exile: Journal of my Sojourn in the West Indies' (Leeds: Peepal Tree Press, 2006)-- a "what-if" about Robert Burns based firmly on historical fact, with copious footnotes and a bibliography. Funny how the West Indies/slavery issue has come to the fore since it was published and (favourably)reviewed and I did my piece at the Wigtown Book Fair.
If Dr Carruthers hasn't read it then maybe he should. I attach some links that are worth exploring.

Andrew Lindsay

http://www.meppublis
hers.com/online/crb/
issues/index.php?pid
=1055

http://www.peepaltre
epress.com/review_li
st.asp?au_id=142

http://www.peepaltre
epress.com/author_di
splay.asp?au_id=142


http://www.peepaltre
epress.com/single_bo
ok_display.asp?isbn=
9781845230289&au_id=
142

http://www.booksfrom
scotland.com/News/Ro
ddy-Lumsdens-Blog/24
012006-Illustrious-E
xile

http://www.booksfrom
scotland.com/Feature
s/Burns-2007

http://news.scotsman
.com/ViewArticle.asp
x?articleid=2750255
Posted by: Ayrshire Erchie on 12:55pm Sun 20 Jan 08
Unbending Atheist, unenlightened idiot.
A Papish Plot round every corner, in your dark and restricted wee den. O wad some pow'r the giftie gie us.....
Posted by: unbendind atheist, abuja on 1:38pm Sun 20 Jan 08
Ayrshire Erchie - I was only saying what everyone else was thinking... Coming from Ayrshire, you should know all about anti-Catholic bigotry.

Carruthers has done some great research into Burns' relationships with Catholic clergy of his day, including a bishop he met in Edinburgh, whom he described as "the most impressive churchman he had ever met". His Lament to Mary Queen of Scots is also one of his most beautiful poems, indicating he had a real sympathetic nous for Catholic and Jacobite sensibilites.

Carruthers expounded upon this at a Burns conference a few years ago in Glasgow, only to be booed and hissed by all you open-minded Burnsians.

Makes you wonder what's going on here...
Posted by: Yin o' Jock Tamson's bairns, Edinburgh, Scotland on 1:55pm Sun 20 Jan 08
The nonsense produced by Carruthers is not too alarming. After all, for a specialised ivory-tower accie producer of splurge, it must be very hard to come up with something original on Rabbie. And a strident headline always helps: "BURNS WAS A SLAVE DRIVER".

Aye, weil,

Does he have a right to do this?

Of course.

Is it useful, or even interesting?

Not in the slightest.

Perhaps the Herald is at fault for giving him space.

I take more exception to the introduction by the journalist(?).

"Notorious for fornicating and exploiting women ..."

Exploiting women?

From his work, and from his life, it is clear that he venerated women! (With the subsequent associated "agony and ecstasy" for both the poet and the ladies, largely reflected in his works).

Lynn Kelly was obviously just glad for an excuse to sink the boot ...

... men problems, Lynn?
Posted by: Jim, Glasgow on 2:40pm Sun 20 Jan 08
Seems to me there's far too much mysogyny and sexism being directed at the journalist here.

Come on guys you're letting the side down.

Don't shoot the messenger.

Grow up.

Jim
Posted by: Robert E, Edinburgh on 3:11pm Sun 20 Jan 08
"Burns only writes one mediocre song, The Slave's Lament, which has very little to say about the plight of the plight of the"

Nonsense. That song highlights Burns' empathy.
Posted by: WhippedWatch on 3:23pm Sun 20 Jan 08
Jim wrote:
Seems to me there's far too much mysogyny and sexism being directed at the journalist here. Come on guys you're letting the side down. Don't shoot the messenger. Grow up. Jim
Jim, there is a little sexism, that's true, but you really are missing the main point which is the poor quality of the "story" - I asume you are missing the point deliberately for your own reasons.
Posted by: Melanthios on 3:31pm Sun 20 Jan 08
If Burns were alive today he'd probably drive a Ford Fiesta.

Posted by: Joe Middleton, Edinburgh on 4:19pm Sun 20 Jan 08
So Burns wrote poems against slavery but he didn't write enough of them to convince someone in the 21st century that he was REALLY against it. Yeah right.

Also he might have planned to move to Jamaica at some point so that automatically makes him a potential slave driver. A bit of a leap isn't it?

What a pity that our greatest poet should be shabbily treated in this manner. It seems Burns night is now an excuse to spit on our greatest poets reputation. Tom Brown in another paper claims Burns was a dyed in the wool British Unionist:

http://news.scotsman

.com/opinion/The-man

39s-a-Unionist-man.3

691486.jp

despite much of his work decrying the union and despite this pretty clear excerpt from one of his letters:

"Alas, I have often said to myself what are the boasted advantages which my country reaps from a certain Union that counterbalance the annihilation of her Independence, and even her name!"

- Robert Burns

It is worth remembering that during the times of Burns those who criticised the British union or stood up for the 'rights of man' were often transported to Botany Bay! Nonetheless Burns progressive views are obvious from his poetry.

Have some respect for the man who wrote 'Scots Wha Hae' in honour of Thomas Muir rather than trying to imagine his views and feed off his memory like hungry maggots.

Shame on this so called academic and his muck raking drivel.
Posted by: Yin o' Jock Tamson's bairns, Edinburgh, Scotland on 4:22pm Sun 20 Jan 08
To Jim of the Dear Green Place

Aye, fine politically-correct sentiments, ...

… but, in her introduction Ms Kelly regales us with the gratuitous slur that Burns "exploited women".

As this is totally irrelevant to the subject matter; i.e. that Burns had supposedly intended to get rich through people-trafficking, I humbly suggest that it is, in fact, this unsubstantiated, misandric comment which is sexist.

This throw-away opinion says much more about Ms Kelly than it does about Burns.
Posted by: Observer on 5:47pm Sun 20 Jan 08
So Burns may or may not have taken a hissy fit after his marriage was dissolved and that's an excuse to call him an exploiter of women and a potential people trafficker ? Deary me.
Posted by: SexismWatch on 6:14pm Sun 20 Jan 08
Jim wrote:
Seems to me there's far too much mysogyny and sexism being directed at the journalist here. Come on guys you're letting the side down. Don't shoot the messenger. Grow up. Jim
If you are interested in the fight against sexism why not visit "The Drouth" site (www.thedrouth.com) - two out of two editors are male (wonder if they are white heterosexual men?) and four out of six "commissars" (oh puhleese!) are males. Read the profiles - very few have any text (after six years most of the site is "under construction") but where they do they display a very male idea of "humour".
Posted by: Winters, Glasgow on 6:36pm Sun 20 Jan 08
Perhaps I'm not really entitled to come into arguments about Burns feelings about slavery,
however Burns himself seems to have changed his mind about many things politically. Had he lived at the time, it seems he would have romantically supported The Jacobites who believed in absolute monarchy, yet he was a supporter of the French Revolution. Of course those who have never change their mind have never had a mind to change.
Posted by: heavy, Glasgow on 7:07pm Sun 20 Jan 08
Burns was a mason and would have supported how they have been trying to enslave not only Scotland but the world for far to long due to virtually ALL media outlets being controlled by the same MOB.

Now exposed and coming to a RAPID end.The CAT is out of the bag and there is no way it is going to be put back in that bag.

LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS

Masonic judges OUT Juries IN
Posted by: stevethebarge, norway on 7:33pm Sun 20 Jan 08
heavy wrote:
Burns was a mason and would have supported how they have been trying to enslave not only Scotland but the world for far to long due to virtually ALL media outlets being controlled by the same MOB. Now exposed and coming to a RAPID end.The CAT is out of the bag and there is no way it is going to be put back in that bag. LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS Masonic judges OUT Juries IN
not a Mason then?
Posted by: HeavyWatch on 7:38pm Sun 20 Jan 08
heavy wrote:
Burns was a mason and would have supported how they have been trying to enslave not only Scotland but the world for far to long due to virtually ALL media outlets being controlled by the same MOB. Now exposed and coming to a RAPID end.The CAT is out of the bag and there is no way it is going to be put back in that bag. LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS Masonic judges OUT Juries IN
I thought you said previously the woes of the world were all caused by lawyers of whatever religious persuasion (or was it homosexuals - no, they cause earthquakes, don't they?).

Maybe Burns was a secret lawyer? And how can everything be down to 1. the Masons, 2. the Papists AND 3. the Jews (with the homos causing the earthquakes, as previously stated)? Then again, isn't it all the fault of the Muslims or is that just since 2001?

That's it - Burns was a gay Masonic Muslim before his time! Suddenly it all makes sense.

Posted by: HeavyWatch on 7:39pm Sun 20 Jan 08
stevethebarge wrote:
heavy wrote: Burns was a mason and would have supported how they have been trying to enslave not only Scotland but the world for far to long due to virtually ALL media outlets being controlled by the same MOB. Now exposed and coming to a RAPID end.The CAT is out of the bag and there is no way it is going to be put back in that bag. LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS Masonic judges OUT Juries IN
not a Mason then?
He's not allowed to say. In fact if pressed he is likely to deny it.
Posted by: unbending atheist on 8:07pm Sun 20 Jan 08
Last year I went to a multi-cultural Burns Supper. They piped the haggis in to Sean South of Garryowen...
Posted by: Yok Finney, Ross-shire on 8:58pm Sun 20 Jan 08
If Burns were alive today he'd probably drive a Ford Fiesta.


O never. His heart would be in Highlands chasing the bambies; his business is in Hairshire drivin the John Deere.
Posted by: Mack on 11:32pm Sun 20 Jan 08
unbending atheist wrote:
Isn't Carruthers a friend of James MacMillan? It's the papists wot dus this...
Surprised it took this long to go the sectarian route. There goes the debate. Boringgggggggggggggg
gggg.
Posted by: MB, Glasgow on 1:13pm Mon 21 Jan 08
SLAVE’S LAMENT
It was in sweet Senegal that my foes did
me enthral
For the lands of Virginia-ginia-o
Torn from that lovely shore and must
never see it more
And alas I am weary weary-o

All on that charming coast is no bitter
snow or frost
Like the lands of Virginia-ginia-o
There streams forever flow
and the flowers forever grow
And alas I am weary weary-o

This burden I must bear while the cruel
scourge I fear
In the lands of Virginia-ginia-o
And I think on friends most dear with a
bitter bitter tear
And alas I am weary weary-o

It was in sweet Senegal that my foes did
me enthral
For the lands of Virginia-ginia-o
Torn from that lovely shore and must
never see it more
And alas I am weary weary-o

Aye, right professor... .

Posted by: MacAlba: The Coming Independence (c2007). on 5:57am Thu 24 Jan 08
These are the sorts on unfounded, unsubstantiated claims that are made about great historical figures subsequent to their demise.

It's very easy to make unbased presumptions and spurious insinuations about a notable person when they have no way of defending themselves.

Very callous, really.
Posted by: C Lever on 5:28am Fri 25 Jan 08
One thing the author does not point out is that Robert Burns poetry is the first in print to use the word ****. Poem is "The Ordination".

Any connection?
Posted by: C Lever on 5:30am Fri 25 Jan 08
System has, amusing, inserted stars into last post.

Was "the N Word"
Posted by: Gillian, Glasgow on 3:45pm Wed 28 May 08
Everyone seems to be missing the point here.

The academic's job is to question esablished beliefs and theories...you may not agree with Dr Carruthers, but your collective job as critical public is to engage in debate, not slander, and it is important to remember that historical biography is, by nature, often based on speculation.

What Carruthers proposes is speculative, yes, but surely such speculation opens up lively debate over an area of Scottish literature which is overwrought with sentimentalism and dare I say it, unnecessary defensiveness.

We all enjoy Burns as a poet, or else we wouldn't be engaging in this discussion. But this forum proves that Scotland as a nation is too introspective and too protective of its national heroes to move on and engage in much needed revitalised literary debate.
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