Police probe Labour MSP’s £1000 gift LABOUR WAS involved in a second investigation last night after it emerged former health minister Andy Kerr had also been reported to the Crown Office - over an allegation that he failed to declare a £1000 gift.
Holyrood Standards Commissioner Dr Jim Dyer - who has already reported Wendy Alexander to the Crown Office - has also declared Kerr may have broken the law.
Now police are to question the former health minister about hospitality he received from fast food giant McDonald's and which he did not include on the official Register of Interests in breach of the MSPs' Code of Conduct.
That failure set in train a four-month investigation by Dyer, who has now decided Kerr may have broken the law.
The East Kilbride MSP faces being suspended from the Scottish Parliament or a court fine of £5000.
The investigation centres around a trip to London Kerr took last August, when he and eight other MSPs were treated by McDonald's to hospitality at the FA Football Shield, the traditional opener to the English football season.
He has already admitted failing to record the gifts and hospitality in the allotted time. MSPs have 30 days to register hospitality and while the other MSPS did so, Kerr only recorded it four days after the deadline.
Three years ago Kerr's Labour colleague Ken McIntosh was forced to resign from the standards committee after he also failed to register his Charity Shield trip.
Last night a spokesman for Kerr blamed an administrative oversight'' for the omission.
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Posted by: Jimmy the Pie on 12:59am Sun 3 Feb 08
It just gets better and better.
Fancy a job Nicol????
It just gets better and better.
Fancy a job Nicol????
Posted by: WhoAteAllThePies? on 1:00am Sun 3 Feb 08
Former NuLabor health minister takes hospitality from burger shop?
Former NuLabor health minister takes hospitality from burger shop?
Posted by: jim mitchell, Sauchie, Clack's on 1:05am Sun 3 Feb 08
Jimmie the pie, whilst I want all the crooks who ever they might be found out and dealt with, this actually is not a good night in the sense that if proven these kind of actions will blacken all of Scottish politics.
I say that as a Nat.
Jimmie the pie, whilst I want all the crooks who ever they might be found out and dealt with, this actually is not a good night in the sense that if proven these kind of actions will blacken all of Scottish politics.
I say that as a Nat.
Posted by: Peter File on 1:06am Sun 3 Feb 08
Farewell Andy Kerr, we barely knew yea.
Farewell Andy Kerr, we barely knew yea.
Posted by: NayLabour, glasgow on 1:06am Sun 3 Feb 08
the former HEALTH minister accepts hospitality from.....wait for it..... MacDONALDS...you could not make this up.....hahaha....it just does not get any better than this....they should run all this again at new year instead of chewin the fat.....far more hilarious..:-)
the former HEALTH minister accepts hospitality from.....wait for it..... MacDONALDS...you could not make this up.....hahaha....it just does not get any better than this....they should run all this again at new year instead of chewin the fat.....far more hilarious..:-)
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 1:07am Sun 3 Feb 08
Wendy Out, Kerr Out....Labour are in the abyss now and won't be coming out for some time after this......
Wendy Out, Kerr Out....Labour are in the abyss now and won't be coming out for some time after this......
Posted by: AyrshireScot, South Ayrshire on 1:08am Sun 3 Feb 08
small fries to go?
Posted by: AyrshireScot, South Ayrshire on 1:09am Sun 3 Feb 08
Wendy-burger anyone?
Posted by: karinm on 1:11am Sun 3 Feb 08
Andy kerr a big mac and tried your honour he he he
Andy kerr a big mac and tried your honour he he he
Posted by: subrosa on 1:14am Sun 3 Feb 08
# Jim Mitchell
Whilst I appreciate your comments (and it is a black night for Scottish politics) hopefully it will prove that this type of behaviour from our own politicians will not be tolerated at all. We need a country who believes their polticians are elected to do good for their electorate and not to line their pockets or completely disregard administrative duties.
This may well clean out the stable and allow for a more trusting and open political scene in Scotland. We have to hope.
Sadly it doesn't seem as if there is anyone in labour fit to lead them so we have no opposition to speak of at the moment. That doesn't create a progressive parliament.
# Jim Mitchell
Whilst I appreciate your comments (and it is a black night for Scottish politics) hopefully it will prove that this type of behaviour from our own politicians will not be tolerated at all. We need a country who believes their polticians are elected to do good for their electorate and not to line their pockets or completely disregard administrative duties.
This may well clean out the stable and allow for a more trusting and open political scene in Scotland. We have to hope.
Sadly it doesn't seem as if there is anyone in labour fit to lead them so we have no opposition to speak of at the moment. That doesn't create a progressive parliament.
Posted by: AyrshireScot, South Ayrshire on 1:15am Sun 3 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Wardog[/bold] wrote:
Wendy Out, Kerr Out....Labour are in the abyss now and won't be coming out for some time after this......[/quote] Their chips are down, but do they want them to sit in or take awy?
Wardog wrote:
Wendy Out, Kerr Out....Labour are in the abyss now and won't be coming out for some time after this......
Their chips are down, but do they want them to sit in or take awy?
Posted by: MOF, Conwy on 1:18am Sun 3 Feb 08
£1,000 of hospitality from McDonalds - that's an awful lot of Happy Meals. (I wonder what he's done with all the little toys)
£1,000 of hospitality from McDonalds - that's an awful lot of Happy Meals. (I wonder what he's done with all the little toys)
Posted by: democrate, central Scotland on 1:23am Sun 3 Feb 08
So, Andy Kerr is not the stalking horse now; it cannot be Jackie Baillie as she is Wendy's best pal, so does this mean that Pauline McNeill is now the leader-in-waiting?
So, Andy Kerr is not the stalking horse now; it cannot be Jackie Baillie as she is Wendy's best pal, so does this mean that Pauline McNeill is now the leader-in-waiting?
Posted by: Breezy, Argyll on 1:24am Sun 3 Feb 08
I smell grease !
Posted by: Kadok, Scotland on 1:31am Sun 3 Feb 08
Andy Kerr won't be enjoying a grand of hospitality at Wendy's - £995 perhaps.
ps Wendy's is a huge American burger chain.Ho ho.
Andy Kerr won't be enjoying a grand of hospitality at Wendy's - £995 perhaps.
ps Wendy's is a huge American burger chain.Ho ho.
Posted by: Jimbo on 1:31am Sun 3 Feb 08
[quote][bold]jim mitchell[/bold] wrote:
Jimmie the pie, whilst I want all the crooks who ever they might be found out and dealt with, this actually is not a good night in the sense that if proven these kind of actions will blacken all of Scottish politics. I say that as a Nat.[/quote] Hi Jim,
they've already blackened Scottish politics and brought the whole system into disrepute.
As [bold]subrosa[/bold] says (Hi subrosa),
"This may well clean out the stable and allow for a more trusting and open political scene in Scotland. We have to hope."
A message needs to be sent out to all politicians of whatever hue that they are not above the law and Scotland will not tolerate them or allow them to remain in office. Only then will we have a Parliament to look up to.
jim mitchell wrote:
Jimmie the pie, whilst I want all the crooks who ever they might be found out and dealt with, this actually is not a good night in the sense that if proven these kind of actions will blacken all of Scottish politics. I say that as a Nat.
Hi Jim,
they've already blackened Scottish politics and brought the whole system into disrepute.
As
subrosa says (Hi subrosa),
"This may well clean out the stable and allow for a more trusting and open political scene in Scotland. We have to hope."
A message needs to be sent out to all politicians of whatever hue that they are not above the law and Scotland will not tolerate them or allow them to remain in office. Only then will we have a Parliament to look up to.
Posted by: Ronald, Glasgow on 1:35am Sun 3 Feb 08
STOP PRESS : JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT IT COULDN@T GET ANY WORSE FOR NEW LABOUR, ALEXANDER, KERR,
NOW IT HAS BEEN REPORTED THAT PETER HAIN HAS
BEEN EMPLOYING HIS EIGHTY YEAR OLD MOTHER AS
HIS "SECRETARY" HAHAHAHAHA
STOP PRESS : JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT IT COULDN@T GET ANY WORSE FOR NEW LABOUR, ALEXANDER, KERR,
NOW IT HAS BEEN REPORTED THAT PETER HAIN HAS
BEEN EMPLOYING HIS EIGHTY YEAR OLD MOTHER AS
HIS "SECRETARY" HAHAHAHAHA
Posted by: Jock Tamson, Scotland, Caledonia, Alba on 1:36am Sun 3 Feb 08
He'll have had his chips then
He'll have had his chips then
Posted by: NayLabour, glasgow on 1:51am Sun 3 Feb 08
[quote][bold]MOF[/bold] wrote:
£1,000 of hospitality from McDonalds - that's an awful lot of Happy Meals. (I wonder what he's done with all the little toys)[/quote] choking on them i think....!
MOF wrote:
£1,000 of hospitality from McDonalds - that's an awful lot of Happy Meals. (I wonder what he's done with all the little toys)
choking on them i think....!
Posted by: Mac Gille Leabhar, Aberdeenshire on 1:53am Sun 3 Feb 08
Don't laugh you heartless bunch of mockers--- I once believed in Labour in the days of Wilson and Healey.Sad Days sad nights for an old man. Woe is me.. Ochone Ochone. What a sad day I left the croft.
But it would bring slight relief if wee wee wendy juan ker were to get 6 months in Corntonvale. Aye Juan ana. He 'd be wasted tae a wrinkle if he ever got oot.
Don't laugh you heartless bunch of mockers--- I once believed in Labour in the days of Wilson and Healey.Sad Days sad nights for an old man. Woe is me.. Ochone Ochone. What a sad day I left the croft.
But it would bring slight relief if wee wee wendy juan ker were to get 6 months in Corntonvale. Aye Juan ana. He 'd be wasted tae a wrinkle if he ever got oot.
Posted by: Mike, Edinburgh on 1:54am Sun 3 Feb 08
Jim Mitchel,
Aye pal your right about the damage, but lets face up to the fact that there are positives here in that Scotland is showing how capable they are of getting rid of those that would abuse and betray us.
There isnt one Nat on here that doesnt honestly believe in the principle that the Scottish People deserve the best they can get, after hundreds of years of corruption and manipulation by a foreign power. Lets see Westminster start clearing house, after all they still try to claim it is the mother of Parliaments. Well my mother was never a thief.
Take all the arguements and instances of betrayal of Scotland, and add them up. If that does not prove to the average Scot that their nation would be better off without a decaying Westminster System, then we should all just give up by putting up the white flag and living on what a foreign power decides is better for us.
The idea of returning to a Scottish Constitution where the people are Sovereign sounds a lot better than being under an English Dominated Palace of Westminster, where the Parliament is Sovereign and there is NO written Constitution protecting the peoples rights.
Aye in the long term its time for a clearout.
Jim Mitchel,
Aye pal your right about the damage, but lets face up to the fact that there are positives here in that Scotland is showing how capable they are of getting rid of those that would abuse and betray us.
There isnt one Nat on here that doesnt honestly believe in the principle that the Scottish People deserve the best they can get, after hundreds of years of corruption and manipulation by a foreign power. Lets see Westminster start clearing house, after all they still try to claim it is the mother of Parliaments. Well my mother was never a thief.
Take all the arguements and instances of betrayal of Scotland, and add them up. If that does not prove to the average Scot that their nation would be better off without a decaying Westminster System, then we should all just give up by putting up the white flag and living on what a foreign power decides is better for us.
The idea of returning to a Scottish Constitution where the people are Sovereign sounds a lot better than being under an English Dominated Palace of Westminster, where the Parliament is Sovereign and there is NO written Constitution protecting the peoples rights.
Aye in the long term its time for a clearout.
Posted by: archer, middleton iom on 1:58am Sun 3 Feb 08
ronald
not a laughing matter theres thousands of pensioners that don't get that, they have worked all their lives for a pittance. christmas cards what a joke
ronald
not a laughing matter theres thousands of pensioners that don't get that, they have worked all their lives for a pittance. christmas cards what a joke
Posted by: Ross the drunk, Glasgow on 2:21am Sun 3 Feb 08
Sadly it seems to be the way of politics in the UK these days that politicians are no longer motivated to do their best for the electorate, but to do the best for their appearance, ego or bank balance, with very few exceptions. As far as the Scottish political scene goes, i hope that the self inflicted implosion that seems to have happened to Labour will result in far more openess and transparency, and also the reformation of the Labour party and the return to something like the original message they were looking to promote. As much as i would love to see an Independent Scotland, we still require a healthy political scene, and that will not be the case if it turns into an SNP rout with a few Labour, Lib and Tory MSP's there making up the numbers, which is looking like it could be the case with all thats happening at the moment.
Sadly it seems to be the way of politics in the UK these days that politicians are no longer motivated to do their best for the electorate, but to do the best for their appearance, ego or bank balance, with very few exceptions. As far as the Scottish political scene goes, i hope that the self inflicted implosion that seems to have happened to Labour will result in far more openess and transparency, and also the reformation of the Labour party and the return to something like the original message they were looking to promote. As much as i would love to see an Independent Scotland, we still require a healthy political scene, and that will not be the case if it turns into an SNP rout with a few Labour, Lib and Tory MSP's there making up the numbers, which is looking like it could be the case with all thats happening at the moment.
Posted by: MOF, Conwy on 2:53am Sun 3 Feb 08
If he had less than £520 of hospitality from McDonald's, Mr Kerr wouldn't have had to declare it. If he had just said [bold]no[/bold] when he was asked if he wanted to
[bold]Go Large[/bold] .....
If he had less than £520 of hospitality from McDonald's, Mr Kerr wouldn't have had to declare it. If he had just said
no when he was asked if he wanted to
Go Large .....
Posted by: Shish! on 2:55am Sun 3 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Ronald[/bold] wrote:
STOP PRESS : JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT IT COULDN@T GET ANY WORSE FOR NEW LABOUR, ALEXANDER, KERR, NOW IT HAS BEEN REPORTED THAT PETER HAIN HAS BEEN EMPLOYING HIS EIGHTY YEAR OLD MOTHER AS HIS "SECRETARY" HAHAHAHAHA[/quote] Sorry - didn't believe even that arrogant sack of ordure would do that but I see on the Telegraph site (not one I visit often) that it is true. He pays her (or rather WE pay her) £5400 which is just under the tax limit, unless I am mistaken.
Ronald wrote:
STOP PRESS : JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT IT COULDN@T GET ANY WORSE FOR NEW LABOUR, ALEXANDER, KERR, NOW IT HAS BEEN REPORTED THAT PETER HAIN HAS BEEN EMPLOYING HIS EIGHTY YEAR OLD MOTHER AS HIS "SECRETARY" HAHAHAHAHA
Sorry - didn't believe even that arrogant sack of ordure would do that but I see on the Telegraph site (not one I visit often) that it is true. He pays her (or rather WE pay her) £5400 which is just under the tax limit, unless I am mistaken.
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 5:14am Sun 3 Feb 08
Did Andy Pandy receive a McDonald's English 'A' Level certificate from Ronald McDonald?
Will the Happy meals now include a Wendy caterpillar toy?
Did Andy Pandy receive a McDonald's English 'A' Level certificate from Ronald McDonald?
Will the Happy meals now include a Wendy caterpillar toy?
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 5:16am Sun 3 Feb 08
Did Andy Pandy receive a McDonald's English 'A' Level certificate from Ronald McDonald?
Will the Happy meals now include a Wendy caterpillar toy?
Did Andy Pandy receive a McDonald's English 'A' Level certificate from Ronald McDonald?
Will the Happy meals now include a Wendy caterpillar toy?
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 5:17am Sun 3 Feb 08
[quote]Last night a spokesman for Kerr blamed an administrative oversight.[/quote] for the omission.
Try that in a grown up court.
Last night a spokesman for Kerr blamed an administrative oversight.
for the omission.
Try that in a grown up court.
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 5:17am Sun 3 Feb 08
[quote]Last night a spokesman for Kerr blamed an administrative oversight.[/quote] for the omission.
Try that in a grown up court.
Last night a spokesman for Kerr blamed an administrative oversight.
for the omission.
Try that in a grown up court.
Posted by: Bratachdubh, Scotland on 7:15am Sun 3 Feb 08
So if we remove Alexander and Kerr from the equation, just who does that leave Liebour with? Jamieson, Baillie or McNiell... An unholy trinity if ever I saw one. Or perhaps that should be coven - if so, which one's the maiden? and which the hag?
So if we remove Alexander and Kerr from the equation, just who does that leave Liebour with? Jamieson, Baillie or McNiell... An unholy trinity if ever I saw one. Or perhaps that should be coven - if so, which one's the maiden? and which the hag?
Posted by: robert, Glasgow on 7:22am Sun 3 Feb 08
This is great news, and as if it couldn't get any better they throw Andy Kerr in to the labour sleaze and corruption cesspit.
The Time is a comin.
O Happy day,s
ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha
.ha,ha,ha,ha,ha.
This is great news, and as if it couldn't get any better they throw Andy Kerr in to the labour sleaze and corruption cesspit.
The Time is a comin.
O Happy day,s
ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha
.ha,ha,ha,ha,ha.
Posted by: Tom McAlister on 7:43am Sun 3 Feb 08
Bratachdubh, Scotland wrote :
[quote]
So if we remove Alexander and Kerr from the equation, just who does that leave Liebour with? Jamieson, Ballie or McNiell... An unholy trinity if ever I saw one. Or perhaps that should be coven - if so, which one's the maiden? and which the hag?
[/quote]
...and of more importance... Should we not be told who their "familiars" are and in what form they take?
Perhaps that information might be helpful to ra polis in future investigations.
Bratachdubh, Scotland wrote :
So if we remove Alexander and Kerr from the equation, just who does that leave Liebour with? Jamieson, Ballie or McNiell... An unholy trinity if ever I saw one. Or perhaps that should be coven - if so, which one's the maiden? and which the hag?
...and of more importance... Should we not be told who their "familiars" are and in what form they take?
Perhaps that information might be helpful to ra polis in future investigations.
Posted by: steve4349, larbet on 8:22am Sun 3 Feb 08
the herald ,brings us the truth of what is going on in the corrupt labour party in scotland, as other rags in scotland like the hootsman ignore,deny,or manipulate the truth
the herald ,brings us the truth of what is going on in the corrupt labour party in scotland, as other rags in scotland like the hootsman ignore,deny,or manipulate the truth
Posted by: JackieB on 8:39am Sun 3 Feb 08
With Wendy sinking and Andy under attack that leave the way open for Cathie to make a comeback. Oh joy.
With Wendy sinking and Andy under attack that leave the way open for Cathie to make a comeback. Oh joy.
Posted by: An t-Amadan, Alba on 9:19am Sun 3 Feb 08
Well there goes NL's preferred successor to Wendy! Who'se next in line, Cathy Jamieson? It just gets better and better for the SNP!
Well there goes NL's preferred successor to Wendy! Who'se next in line, Cathy Jamieson? It just gets better and better for the SNP!
Posted by: BM, Glasgow on 9:39am Sun 3 Feb 08
Now we know how hwe got his teletubies waistline. Join me in a chorus of "Who Ate All the Fries?"
Now we know how hwe got his teletubies waistline. Join me in a chorus of "Who Ate All the Fries?"
Posted by: Edinburgh Stalwart, Republican Streak on 9:47am Sun 3 Feb 08
[quote][bold]AyrshireScot[/bold] wrote:
Wendy-burger anyone?[/quote] AYRSHIRE SCOT
(Jingle, jingle)
..........I'm LOVIN' IT !!
AyrshireScot wrote:
Wendy-burger anyone?
AYRSHIRE SCOT
(Jingle, jingle)
..........I'm LOVIN' IT !!
Posted by: An t-Amadan, 229-390 on 10:15am Sun 3 Feb 08
Have a look at this website
http://www.wendys.co
m
Have a look at this website
http://www.wendys.co
m
Posted by: Jimmy the Pie on 10:15am Sun 3 Feb 08
The Labour Party in Scotland has always operated with a high degree of favouritism, cronyism, nepotism and corruption. In Falkirk they even named multi-storey blocks of flats after ex-provests. There were a few honourable labour men - John Smith, Harry Ewing, Denis Canavan(well 3) but the grassroots were nearly all in it for what they could screw out of the system. Of course the fools that voted these idiots in were duped by thinking that these people were working class. Most had never done a days work in their miserable lives. Always on the take. Labour could have a sheep elected as long as it had a red rosette on. Now it's payback time. Rules they brought in to hinder the SNP have nailed them. Poetic justice - now all we need is criminal justice. Jail every last one of them!
The Labour Party in Scotland has always operated with a high degree of favouritism, cronyism, nepotism and corruption. In Falkirk they even named multi-storey blocks of flats after ex-provests. There were a few honourable labour men - John Smith, Harry Ewing, Denis Canavan(well 3) but the grassroots were nearly all in it for what they could screw out of the system. Of course the fools that voted these idiots in were duped by thinking that these people were working class. Most had never done a days work in their miserable lives. Always on the take. Labour could have a sheep elected as long as it had a red rosette on. Now it's payback time. Rules they brought in to hinder the SNP have nailed them. Poetic justice - now all we need is criminal justice. Jail every last one of them!
Posted by: ryeoman, fife on 10:16am Sun 3 Feb 08
The police need to investigate whether the tea lady has been putting Rohypnol in the labour memeber's brew's.
The have all forgotten how to be honest.
They have all forgtten the training that we stumped up £180,000 for on how to record donations.
They have all fogotten that they lost the last election and of of course they have long forgotten the Scottish voters who they think were put on this earth solely to vote Labour and keep them in the style that they think they are accustumed to forever.
The abatoir awaits big and little piggies.
The police need to investigate whether the tea lady has been putting Rohypnol in the labour memeber's brew's.
The have all forgotten how to be honest.
They have all forgtten the training that we stumped up £180,000 for on how to record donations.
They have all fogotten that they lost the last election and of of course they have long forgotten the Scottish voters who they think were put on this earth solely to vote Labour and keep them in the style that they think they are accustumed to forever.
The abatoir awaits big and little piggies.
Posted by: ryeoman, fife on 10:17am Sun 3 Feb 08
The police need to investigate whether the tea lady has been putting Rohypnol in the labour memeber's brew's.
The have all forgotten how to be honest.
They have all forgtten the training that we stumped up £180,000 for on how to record donations.
They have all fogotten that they lost the last election and of of course they have long forgotten the Scottish voters who they think were put on this earth solely to vote Labour and keep them in the style that they think they are accustumed to forever.
The abatoir awaits big and little piggies.
The police need to investigate whether the tea lady has been putting Rohypnol in the labour memeber's brew's.
The have all forgotten how to be honest.
They have all forgtten the training that we stumped up £180,000 for on how to record donations.
They have all fogotten that they lost the last election and of of course they have long forgotten the Scottish voters who they think were put on this earth solely to vote Labour and keep them in the style that they think they are accustumed to forever.
The abatoir awaits big and little piggies.
Posted by: An t-Amadan, Alba on 10:19am Sun 3 Feb 08
My message got truncated. Have a look at www.wendys.com and see if you think that's Andy in disguise on the front page.
My message got truncated. Have a look at www.wendys.com and see if you think that's Andy in disguise on the front page.
Posted by: Jimmy the Pie on 10:24am Sun 3 Feb 08
www.wendys.com
Looks like him. What will he look like after getting out of jail???
www.wendys.com
Looks like him. What will he look like after getting out of jail???
Posted by: BM, Glasgow on 10:24am Sun 3 Feb 08
[quote][bold]An t-Amadan[/bold] wrote:
My message got truncated. Have a look at www.wendys.com and see if you think that's Andy in disguise on the front page.[/quote] It couldn't be better. There is an amazing similarity - and the message about "two felons" wining burgers for life. You just couldn't make it up! Is this a real or a spoof website?
An t-Amadan wrote:
My message got truncated. Have a look at www.wendys.com and see if you think that's Andy in disguise on the front page.
It couldn't be better. There is an amazing similarity - and the message about "two felons" wining burgers for life. You just couldn't make it up! Is this a real or a spoof website?
Posted by: Lowperdowg, St Kilda on 10:31am Sun 3 Feb 08
Well, supersize me!
Posted by: Lowperdowg, St Kilda on 10:34am Sun 3 Feb 08
Wendy's Burgers website sez:
[quote]Hot juicy burgers for life![/quote]
I thought that she would only get six months.
Wendy's Burgers website sez:
Hot juicy burgers for life!
I thought that she would only get six months.
Posted by: sceptic sid on 10:36am Sun 3 Feb 08
morning all some quotes for you all that sums all this up . the first comes from roy chubbie brown of all people " i've decided to take up a life of crime, but i can't decide which political party to join!" on a more serious note henry kissenger once stated "90% of politicians give the other 10% a bad reputation
we are at a turning point here and it is up to us all to grasp the opportunity. are we ready to become independant? whether we want to or not. the resounding answer is no we are not.the majority of our msp's moved up from being councillors. can anyone show me a well run council?? didn't think so. our politicians at this moment aint good enough.
morning all some quotes for you all that sums all this up . the first comes from roy chubbie brown of all people " i've decided to take up a life of crime, but i can't decide which political party to join!" on a more serious note henry kissenger once stated "90% of politicians give the other 10% a bad reputation
we are at a turning point here and it is up to us all to grasp the opportunity. are we ready to become independant? whether we want to or not. the resounding answer is no we are not.the majority of our msp's moved up from being councillors. can anyone show me a well run council?? didn't think so. our politicians at this moment aint good enough.
Posted by: An t-Amadan, Alba on 10:36am Sun 3 Feb 08
The party are well and truly burgered now!
The party are well and truly burgered now!
Posted by: Bwoken Pwomitheth on 11:06am Sun 3 Feb 08
Hahahahahahaha... :D All this is happening to a very deserving group. If only it was on the scale for Labour of that night in 1997 when the Tories lost all their seats in Scotland. That might give nuLabour something to think about the next time they decide to talk down our country.
sceptic sid, I'm not sure if you're looking to be taken seriously in quoting Henry Kissinger and Roy Chubby Brown. In any case you seem to operate in the 'we must have a monkey-with-red-rose
tte' mindset by thinking we would end up with Labour politicians in power post independence. I like to think many other opportunities and options for other parties would appear in a fresh constitutional system.
Would you prefer we asked Harriet Harman, Peter Hain and Derek Conway to come up and form a Government for us come independence!? If inept politicians existing in a country was a reason not to be independent there would not be a single nation state on the planet. Doh!
It is only in Scotland that a story about a unionist Labour MSP being reported to the Procurator Fiscal could be turned into something to bash independence with. Should I laugh or cry?
Hahahahahahaha... :D All this is happening to a very deserving group. If only it was on the scale for Labour of that night in 1997 when the Tories lost all their seats in Scotland. That might give nuLabour something to think about the next time they decide to talk down our country.
sceptic sid, I'm not sure if you're looking to be taken seriously in quoting Henry Kissinger and Roy Chubby Brown. In any case you seem to operate in the 'we must have a monkey-with-red-rose
tte' mindset by thinking we would end up with Labour politicians in power post independence. I like to think many other opportunities and options for other parties would appear in a fresh constitutional system.
Would you prefer we asked Harriet Harman, Peter Hain and Derek Conway to come up and form a Government for us come independence!? If inept politicians existing in a country was a reason not to be independent there would not be a single nation state on the planet. Doh!
It is only in Scotland that a story about a unionist Labour MSP being reported to the Procurator Fiscal could be turned into something to bash independence with. Should I laugh or cry?
Posted by: Margaret, Edinburgh on 11:59am Sun 3 Feb 08
What would be interesting to know is, if as well as accepting hospitaility, did the NuLaybur MSPs claim parliamentary expenses to attend an event - the English FA Charity Shield at Wembley - that has absolutely no connection of any kind whatsoever with the devolved responsibilities of the Scottish Parliament? We need to be told!
What would be interesting to know is, if as well as accepting hospitaility, did the NuLaybur MSPs claim parliamentary expenses to attend an event - the English FA Charity Shield at Wembley - that has absolutely no connection of any kind whatsoever with the devolved responsibilities of the Scottish Parliament? We need to be told!
Posted by: PMK, Ayr on 12:04pm Sun 3 Feb 08
You can wash your hands as often as you like Andy - that sort of dirt stays stuck!
With Wendy probably on the way, Andy utterly discredited and the Glasgow-Paisley coven (McNeill et al) too scared to step forward and face the same fate as Wendy ... who now will lead the Labour Party in Scotland?
Jackie Ballie?
Lord Foulkes?
Jimmy the Scumbag?
Iain Gray?
Hilarious!
You can wash your hands as often as you like Andy - that sort of dirt stays stuck!
With Wendy probably on the way, Andy utterly discredited and the Glasgow-Paisley coven (McNeill et al) too scared to step forward and face the same fate as Wendy ... who now will lead the Labour Party in Scotland?
Jackie Ballie?
Lord Foulkes?
Jimmy the Scumbag?
Iain Gray?
Hilarious!
Posted by: pehman, sussex on 12:11pm Sun 3 Feb 08
So Andy Kerr has tried to climb the greasy pole, while getting on the gravy train and ends up on skid row
So Andy Kerr has tried to climb the greasy pole, while getting on the gravy train and ends up on skid row
Posted by: pehman, sussex on 12:14pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Slab in a bit of a trough
Slab in a bit of a trough
Posted by: Joe on 12:21pm Sun 3 Feb 08
This is horrible. The nat trolls go from one low to another. This £1000 was covering the cost of a charitable football game Andy Kerr participated in and complimentary tickets to the Community Shield itself. No gravy train, just good intentions. Andy Kerr declared that - the only issue is that he did too late. That's an error, not corruption.
If anyone should be ashamed of themselves its the nationalist sycophants and nutters who are proving just how twisted and insular they are with these horrible comments.
This is horrible. The nat trolls go from one low to another. This £1000 was covering the cost of a charitable football game Andy Kerr participated in and complimentary tickets to the Community Shield itself. No gravy train, just good intentions. Andy Kerr declared that - the only issue is that he did too late. That's an error, not corruption.
If anyone should be ashamed of themselves its the nationalist sycophants and nutters who are proving just how twisted and insular they are with these horrible comments.
Posted by: pehman, sussex on 12:27pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Joe @ 12;21,
Touched a RAW nerve have we ?
Joe @ 12;21,
Touched a RAW nerve have we ?
Posted by: sceptic sid on 12:29pm Sun 3 Feb 08
well i am actually not "nat bashing " in the first instance it's up to the people of scotland wether we become independant , become a federal part of the uk or stay the same. one of the big issues we have has just finished. a one party government in scotland that lasted 2 generations with little or no opposition and all the corruption that brings is finally being admitted. i am merely trying to point out that we need to get our house in order before we move on and we need to have something in place to ensure this dosen't ever happen again no matter who is in power. having an elected chamber that will not produce massive majorities for 1 party or another is a damm good start which we can use to build on but we still need the correct people. at this moment i can only think of a handful of msp's that are actually worth there wages and there expenses. ps they aint all from the 1 party
well i am actually not "nat bashing " in the first instance it's up to the people of scotland wether we become independant , become a federal part of the uk or stay the same. one of the big issues we have has just finished. a one party government in scotland that lasted 2 generations with little or no opposition and all the corruption that brings is finally being admitted. i am merely trying to point out that we need to get our house in order before we move on and we need to have something in place to ensure this dosen't ever happen again no matter who is in power. having an elected chamber that will not produce massive majorities for 1 party or another is a damm good start which we can use to build on but we still need the correct people. at this moment i can only think of a handful of msp's that are actually worth there wages and there expenses. ps they aint all from the 1 party
Posted by: Hal on 12:31pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Put the sacred Labour Cows out to Graze... They have been a disaster for Scotland... They were only concerned with their own gravy train.
Put the sacred Labour Cows out to Graze... They have been a disaster for Scotland... They were only concerned with their own gravy train.
Posted by: mr angry, ayrshire on 12:37pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Joe, Ha Ha Ha , pull the other one it plays a tune.
Joe, Ha Ha Ha , pull the other one it plays a tune.
Posted by: Joe on 12:52pm Sun 3 Feb 08
[quote][bold]mr angry[/bold] wrote:
Joe, Ha Ha Ha , pull the other one it plays a tune. [/quote] Okay I'll point out that in reality there isn't a whiff of corruption about Andy Kerr as there is with Alex Salmond's Cash for Access scandal, the Trump debacle, the mysterious dropping of bus re-regulation following Souter's donation to the SNP have made a habit of making promises they knew they could never keep.
mr angry wrote:
Joe, Ha Ha Ha , pull the other one it plays a tune.
Okay I'll point out that in reality there isn't a whiff of corruption about Andy Kerr as there is with Alex Salmond's Cash for Access scandal, the Trump debacle, the mysterious dropping of bus re-regulation following Souter's donation to the SNP have made a habit of making promises they knew they could never keep.
Posted by: Bwoken pwomitheth on 1:00pm Sun 3 Feb 08
[quote][bold]pehman[/bold] wrote:
Joe @ 12;21, Touched a RAW nerve have we ?[/quote] I think a very raw nerve has been touched today :D
Sceptic sid, did you even read my previous post? Using your logic (or a lack of any), we should abolish every parliament on the face of the earth and one of the first to go would be the one in London.
Let me give you a few questions to just consider (this may take you some time to think about so maybe best to put down the Sunday Mail for a while):
Should the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland cease to be an independent State due to sleaze in the Commons?
Since "independence is up to the people of Scotland" do you support a referendum on the issue?
When Scotland is independent do you think we should ask Harriet Harman, Peter Hain and Derek Conway to come up and form a Government for us if you believe our own politicians are not up to the mark?
Does the Westminster electoral system "not produce massive majorities for 1 party or another"?
Does PR (as exercised in Scotland) not reduce the chances of one party domination?
pehman wrote:
Joe @ 12;21, Touched a RAW nerve have we ?
I think a very raw nerve has been touched today :D
Sceptic sid, did you even read my previous post? Using your logic (or a lack of any), we should abolish every parliament on the face of the earth and one of the first to go would be the one in London.
Let me give you a few questions to just consider (this may take you some time to think about so maybe best to put down the Sunday Mail for a while):
Should the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland cease to be an independent State due to sleaze in the Commons?
Since "independence is up to the people of Scotland" do you support a referendum on the issue?
When Scotland is independent do you think we should ask Harriet Harman, Peter Hain and Derek Conway to come up and form a Government for us if you believe our own politicians are not up to the mark?
Does the Westminster electoral system "not produce massive majorities for 1 party or another"?
Does PR (as exercised in Scotland) not reduce the chances of one party domination?
Posted by: pehman, sussex on 1:03pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Sceptic Sid @ 12;29,
Hear Hear to that. Good post.
Sceptic Sid @ 12;29,
Hear Hear to that. Good post.
Posted by: BM, Glasgow on 1:06pm Sun 3 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Joe[/bold] wrote:
This is horrible. The nat trolls go from one low to another. This £1000 was covering the cost of a charitable football game Andy Kerr participated in and complimentary tickets to the Community Shield itself. No gravy train, just good intentions. Andy Kerr declared that - the only issue is that he did too late. That's an error, not corruption.
If anyone should be ashamed of themselves its the nationalist sycophants and nutters who are proving just how twisted and insular they are with these horrible comments. [/quote] And if I went into a shop, lifted goods and left without paying, that would not be theft, it would just be an error or forgetfulness on my part. This excuse would not be ant more acceptable than Andy's. To accept the money from MacDonald's of all people while Minister of Health just defies comprehension.
Joe wrote:
This is horrible. The nat trolls go from one low to another. This £1000 was covering the cost of a charitable football game Andy Kerr participated in and complimentary tickets to the Community Shield itself. No gravy train, just good intentions. Andy Kerr declared that - the only issue is that he did too late. That's an error, not corruption.
If anyone should be ashamed of themselves its the nationalist sycophants and nutters who are proving just how twisted and insular they are with these horrible comments.
And if I went into a shop, lifted goods and left without paying, that would not be theft, it would just be an error or forgetfulness on my part. This excuse would not be ant more acceptable than Andy's. To accept the money from MacDonald's of all people while Minister of Health just defies comprehension.
Posted by: Jamie on 1:06pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Joe - we feel your pain. It is nice that you recycle rubbish.
Joe - we feel your pain. It is nice that you recycle rubbish.
Posted by: Bwoken pwomitheth on 1:10pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Joe on 12:52pm today
Do feel free to expand upon your allegations about "Cash for Access", Trump and bus regulation. Just give us what exactly you are claiming was done wrongly. Tell us about any rules, regulations or laws that were bwoken. Tell us about the content of any alleged sleaze in these cases. Tell us about the spethificth of the bwoken pwomitheth even...
Your comments are exactly the type of thing that Mike Rumbles was, rightly, condemning on the Politics Show today - attempts by nuLabour to tar everyone with the same dirty brush that has been used to cover nuLabour from head to toe.
Joe on 12:52pm today
Do feel free to expand upon your allegations about "Cash for Access", Trump and bus regulation. Just give us what exactly you are claiming was done wrongly. Tell us about any rules, regulations or laws that were bwoken. Tell us about the content of any alleged sleaze in these cases. Tell us about the spethificth of the bwoken pwomitheth even...
Your comments are exactly the type of thing that Mike Rumbles was, rightly, condemning on the Politics Show today - attempts by nuLabour to tar everyone with the same dirty brush that has been used to cover nuLabour from head to toe.
Posted by: AyrshireScot, South Ayrshire on 1:13pm Sun 3 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Joe[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]mr angry[/bold] wrote: Joe, Ha Ha Ha , pull the other one it plays a tune. [/quote] Okay I'll point out that in reality there isn't a whiff of corruption about Andy Kerr as there is with Alex Salmond's Cash for Access scandal, the Trump debacle, the mysterious dropping of bus re-regulation following Souter's donation to the SNP have made a habit of making promises they knew they could never keep. [/quote] Weid that Andky Kerr is the one facing criminal investigation then?
There must be more of a "whiff" of corruption if the Standards Commissioner has reported him to the procurator, an action which requires him to believe there is proof of a criminal offence?
Joe wrote:
mr angry wrote: Joe, Ha Ha Ha , pull the other one it plays a tune.
Okay I'll point out that in reality there isn't a whiff of corruption about Andy Kerr as there is with Alex Salmond's Cash for Access scandal, the Trump debacle, the mysterious dropping of bus re-regulation following Souter's donation to the SNP have made a habit of making promises they knew they could never keep.
Weid that Andky Kerr is the one facing criminal investigation then?
There must be more of a "whiff" of corruption if the Standards Commissioner has reported him to the procurator, an action which requires him to believe there is proof of a criminal offence?
Posted by: AyrshireScot, South Ayrshire on 1:14pm Sun 3 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Joe[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]mr angry[/bold] wrote: Joe, Ha Ha Ha , pull the other one it plays a tune. [/quote] Okay I'll point out that in reality there isn't a whiff of corruption about Andy Kerr as there is with Alex Salmond's Cash for Access scandal, the Trump debacle, the mysterious dropping of bus re-regulation following Souter's donation to the SNP have made a habit of making promises they knew they could never keep. [/quote] Do you want that extra large with extra reslish?
Joe wrote:
mr angry wrote: Joe, Ha Ha Ha , pull the other one it plays a tune.
Okay I'll point out that in reality there isn't a whiff of corruption about Andy Kerr as there is with Alex Salmond's Cash for Access scandal, the Trump debacle, the mysterious dropping of bus re-regulation following Souter's donation to the SNP have made a habit of making promises they knew they could never keep.
Do you want that extra large with extra reslish?
Posted by: karinm on 1:20pm Sun 3 Feb 08
who had their fingers in the pies
ate all the burgers and the fries
andy kerr, andy kerr
former minister for health.
who had their fingers in the pies
ate all the burgers and the fries
andy kerr, andy kerr
former minister for health.
Posted by: Myrmillo, Batavadorum on 1:41pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Not "a Happy Meal" then?
Posted by: An t-Amadan, Alba on 2:05pm Sun 3 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Myrmillo[/bold] wrote:
Not "a Happy Meal" then?[/quote] I think happiness will be in short supply, even at meal times, in Kier Hardie House these days!
Myrmillo wrote:
Not "a Happy Meal" then?
I think happiness will be in short supply, even at meal times, in Kier Hardie House these days!
Posted by: Ted Harvey on 2:09pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Joe if Andy Kerr's MacDonalds take-away was all that worthy and charitable and decent etc., etc, like you say... why didn't he just declare it at the time? I would have thought that such a decent endevour on his part would have remained at the time in his memory. I would have thought that a good spinner like Andy Kerr would have wanted maximum profile for his good deed.
Rgere again, was it not awfully convenient that this ex Minister for Health just 'forgot' for a while to register the 'hospitality' and then remembered once some time had more safely passed? After all, it would have been mighty controversial if it had been know at the time that this healthy-diet-promoti
ng Health Minister was guzzling on the hospitality of MacDonalds - that well known purveyor of healthy and wholesome food.
Joe if Andy Kerr's MacDonalds take-away was all that worthy and charitable and decent etc., etc, like you say... why didn't he just declare it at the time? I would have thought that such a decent endevour on his part would have remained at the time in his memory. I would have thought that a good spinner like Andy Kerr would have wanted maximum profile for his good deed.
Rgere again, was it not awfully convenient that this ex Minister for Health just 'forgot' for a while to register the 'hospitality' and then remembered once some time had more safely passed? After all, it would have been mighty controversial if it had been know at the time that this healthy-diet-promoti
ng Health Minister was guzzling on the hospitality of MacDonalds - that well known purveyor of healthy and wholesome food.
Posted by: Peter File on 2:44pm Sun 3 Feb 08
At the end of the cliché, you have to ask what benefit McDonalds gained from sooking up to Andy Kerr?
At the end of the cliché, you have to ask what benefit McDonalds gained from sooking up to Andy Kerr?
Posted by: Peter File on 2:50pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Hmm a bit vague as to what happened to the six freebie tickets? Who did you sell them to Andy and how much did the Kilbryde Hospice Appeal receive?
[quote]As a member of the Scottish Parliament’s football team, I played in an inter-Parliamentary tournament in support of the Community Shield in London on 4 August 2007. The event was sponsored by McDonalds and the accommodation and hospitality totalled approximately £570. As part of the event I was also given a gift of six match tickets for the Community Shield with a total value of £450, I sold these tickets on behalf of a local charity with all proceeds going to the Kilbryde Hospice Appeal. Therefore the total value of this gift is between £1,001 and £2,000. [Registered 7 September 2007].[/quote]
Hmm a bit vague as to what happened to the six freebie tickets? Who did you sell them to Andy and how much did the Kilbryde Hospice Appeal receive?
As a member of the Scottish Parliament’s football team, I played in an inter-Parliamentary tournament in support of the Community Shield in London on 4 August 2007. The event was sponsored by McDonalds and the accommodation and hospitality totalled approximately £570. As part of the event I was also given a gift of six match tickets for the Community Shield with a total value of £450, I sold these tickets on behalf of a local charity with all proceeds going to the Kilbryde Hospice Appeal. Therefore the total value of this gift is between £1,001 and £2,000. .
Posted by: Observer on 3:15pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Joe this is not horrible nationalist trolling, anyone in public life whether a politician or an official knows that you have to be scupulously above board in accepting any form of hospitality, gift. or benefit in kind. It all has to be recorded. If I had done what Andy did, as an official, I would at least be given a formal warning. To be so cavalier about it shows that, like Wendy. he does not think the rules apply to him.
Joe this is not horrible nationalist trolling, anyone in public life whether a politician or an official knows that you have to be scupulously above board in accepting any form of hospitality, gift. or benefit in kind. It all has to be recorded. If I had done what Andy did, as an official, I would at least be given a formal warning. To be so cavalier about it shows that, like Wendy. he does not think the rules apply to him.
Posted by: AyrshireScot, South Ayrshire on 3:33pm Sun 3 Feb 08
"We must be whiter than white to rebuild trust" - Tony Blair, May 1997
"We must be whiter than white to rebuild trust" - Tony Blair, May 1997
Posted by: AyrshireScot, South Ayrshire on 3:36pm Sun 3 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Joe[/bold] wrote:
This is horrible. The nat trolls go from one low to another. This £1000 was covering the cost of a charitable football game Andy Kerr participated in and complimentary tickets to the Community Shield itself. No gravy train, just good intentions. Andy Kerr declared that - the only issue is that he did too late. That's an error, not corruption. If anyone should be ashamed of themselves its the nationalist sycophants and nutters who are proving just how twisted and insular they are with these horrible comments. [/quote] Yet again the problem, according to Labour, is not that the independent Standards Commissioner has referred this to the procurator on basis thathe law has been broken, the real problem is people commenting on Labour MSPs breaking the law?
Perhaps is Alexander and Kerr had not been judged by the SPSC to have broken the law we would not be commenting on it?
Do you want that MacFlurry of Labour sleaze super-sized and to go, sir?
Joe wrote:
This is horrible. The nat trolls go from one low to another. This £1000 was covering the cost of a charitable football game Andy Kerr participated in and complimentary tickets to the Community Shield itself. No gravy train, just good intentions. Andy Kerr declared that - the only issue is that he did too late. That's an error, not corruption. If anyone should be ashamed of themselves its the nationalist sycophants and nutters who are proving just how twisted and insular they are with these horrible comments.
Yet again the problem, according to Labour, is not that the independent Standards Commissioner has referred this to the procurator on basis thathe law has been broken, the real problem is people commenting on Labour MSPs breaking the law?
Perhaps is Alexander and Kerr had not been judged by the SPSC to have broken the law we would not be commenting on it?
Do you want that MacFlurry of Labour sleaze super-sized and to go, sir?
Posted by: AyrshireScot, South Ayrshire on 3:36pm Sun 3 Feb 08
MacNuggets of blame-shifting from Labour.
MacNuggets of blame-shifting from Labour.
Posted by: Mickey Mousewatch, Disneykerrland on 3:45pm Sun 3 Feb 08
[quote][bold]BM[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Joe[/bold] wrote: This is horrible. The nat trolls go from one low to another. This £1000 was covering the cost of a charitable football game Andy Kerr participated in and complimentary tickets to the Community Shield itself. No gravy train, just good intentions. Andy Kerr declared that - the only issue is that he did too late. That's an error, not corruption. If anyone should be ashamed of themselves its the nationalist sycophants and nutters who are proving just how twisted and insular they are with these horrible comments. [/quote] And if I went into a shop, lifted goods and left without paying, that would not be theft, it would just be an error or forgetfulness on my part. This excuse would not be ant more acceptable than Andy's. To accept the money from MacDonald's of all people while Minister of Health just defies comprehension.[/quote] I was caught farm shop lifting. I saw a sign saying "FREE RANGE EGGS" and asked my adviser, "[italic]How much do they cost[/italic] ?"
He said, "[italic]Those range eggs are free[/italic] !" So I took 950 of them to feed the vulnerable two year olds in Paisley. The Farmer stopped me saying I was breaking the law. I said "[italic]Are you telling me it is impermissable? But my adviser said it was OK. Anyway, it was unintentional[/italic] ."
The farmer replied, "[italic]Oh that's all right then. It would not be in the public interest to prosecute you[/italic] ."
As we left, my adviser muttered, "You must be yolking."
BM wrote:
Joe wrote: This is horrible. The nat trolls go from one low to another. This £1000 was covering the cost of a charitable football game Andy Kerr participated in and complimentary tickets to the Community Shield itself. No gravy train, just good intentions. Andy Kerr declared that - the only issue is that he did too late. That's an error, not corruption. If anyone should be ashamed of themselves its the nationalist sycophants and nutters who are proving just how twisted and insular they are with these horrible comments.
And if I went into a shop, lifted goods and left without paying, that would not be theft, it would just be an error or forgetfulness on my part. This excuse would not be ant more acceptable than Andy's. To accept the money from MacDonald's of all people while Minister of Health just defies comprehension.
I was caught farm shop lifting. I saw a sign saying "FREE RANGE EGGS" and asked my adviser, "
How much do they cost ?"
He said, "
Those range eggs are free !" So I took 950 of them to feed the vulnerable two year olds in Paisley. The Farmer stopped me saying I was breaking the law. I said "
Are you telling me it is impermissable? But my adviser said it was OK. Anyway, it was unintentional ."
The farmer replied, "
Oh that's all right then. It would not be in the public interest to prosecute you ."
As we left, my adviser muttered, "You must be yolking."
Posted by: Mickey Mousewatch, Disneykerrland on 3:48pm Sun 3 Feb 08
[quote][bold]AyrshireScot[/bold] wrote:
MacNuggets of blame-shifting from Labour.[/quote] McDonalds announce new menu item - Kerry-oot porky pies.
AyrshireScot wrote:
MacNuggets of blame-shifting from Labour.
McDonalds announce new menu item - Kerry-oot porky pies.
Posted by: AyrshireScot, South Ayrshire on 3:49pm Sun 3 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Mickey Mousewatch[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]AyrshireScot[/bold] wrote: MacNuggets of blame-shifting from Labour.[/quote] McDonalds announce new menu item - Kerry-oot porky pies.[/quote] LOL. Nice one
Mickey Mousewatch wrote:
AyrshireScot wrote: MacNuggets of blame-shifting from Labour.
McDonalds announce new menu item - Kerry-oot porky pies.
LOL. Nice one
Posted by: AyrshireScot, South Ayrshire on 3:50pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Police inquiries continue....
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Police inquiries continue....
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Posted by: AyrshireScot, South Ayrshire on 3:52pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Poor Andy
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Poor Andy
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Posted by: AyrshireScot, South Ayrshire on 4:38pm Sun 3 Feb 08
MacDonor Kebab anyone?
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 5:40pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Joe The Blind Man[quote]This is horrible. The nat trolls go from one low to another[/quote]You should see how low the poor of Glasgow go ... oh, I'm sorry, I forgot. You can't.
Joe The Blind Man
This is horrible. The nat trolls go from one low to another
You should see how low the poor of Glasgow go ... oh, I'm sorry, I forgot. You can't.
Posted by: An t-Amadan, Alba on 6:00pm Sun 3 Feb 08
[quote][bold]AyrshireScot[/bold] wrote:
"We must be whiter than white to rebuild trust" - Tony Blair, May 1997[/quote] Yes, and remember that while he was making this statement he was already up to his neck in the corruption of the Ecclestone affair. His career as PM started in sleaze and finished in genocide.
Whiter than white? Only in the sense of the whited sepulchre.
AyrshireScot wrote:
"We must be whiter than white to rebuild trust" - Tony Blair, May 1997
Yes, and remember that while he was making this statement he was already up to his neck in the corruption of the Ecclestone affair. His career as PM started in sleaze and finished in genocide.
Whiter than white? Only in the sense of the whited sepulchre.
Posted by: Margaret, Edinburgh on 6:37pm Sun 3 Feb 08
"The nat trolls go from one low to another. This £1000 was covering the cost of a charitable football game Andy Kerr participated in and complimentary tickets to the Community Shield itself. No gravy train, just good intentions. Andy Kerr declared that - the only issue is that he did too late. That's an error, not corruption."
So the definition of a socialist must be someone who gets paid £1,000 to attend a charity event. Michty me - I thought decent, charitable people gave their time and services for free!!!!
"The nat trolls go from one low to another. This £1000 was covering the cost of a charitable football game Andy Kerr participated in and complimentary tickets to the Community Shield itself. No gravy train, just good intentions. Andy Kerr declared that - the only issue is that he did too late. That's an error, not corruption."
So the definition of a socialist must be someone who gets paid £1,000 to attend a charity event. Michty me - I thought decent, charitable people gave their time and services for free!!!!
Posted by: carlung, haddington on 7:21pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Who now will lead the Labour Party in Scotland?
Jackie Ballie?
Lord Foulkes?
Jimmy the Scumbag?
Iain Gray?
It's go to be Jackie the Hutt.
What a stunning end that would be to London's project to retain a block of 50 Labour MPs for Westminster.
Think of the fun! It would be like bring back Chick Murray!
Who now will lead the Labour Party in Scotland?
Jackie Ballie?
Lord Foulkes?
Jimmy the Scumbag?
Iain Gray?
It's go to be Jackie the Hutt.
What a stunning end that would be to London's project to retain a block of 50 Labour MPs for Westminster.
Think of the fun! It would be like bring back Chick Murray!
Posted by: sceptic sid on 7:45pm Sun 3 Feb 08
bwoken- lets get a few things straight here. not that its any of your buisness i have never votrd for the labour party in my life nor do i ever see a day when i will . but we live in a democracy alledgedly. i was quite pleased when the nats got in if for no other reason to see how they goverened my country frankly they don't have much to beat do they.did i vote for them no i didn't. so i gave up on the mail & the record a long time ago.
Q1 actually only interested in my own country
Q2 yes i support a referendum but i don't think the nats will win it at first attempt.if we don't vote for independance surely a move towards federalism might be better than where we are now.
Q3certainly not. i'm sure the people we are looking for are already here we just need to find them and persuade them to come forward.
Q4westminster has had its day the system stinks.
Q5 if you had read all my 2nd post you would know i fully support PR.
sorry it took so long to reply cheers.
bwoken- lets get a few things straight here. not that its any of your buisness i have never votrd for the labour party in my life nor do i ever see a day when i will . but we live in a democracy alledgedly. i was quite pleased when the nats got in if for no other reason to see how they goverened my country frankly they don't have much to beat do they.did i vote for them no i didn't. so i gave up on the mail & the record a long time ago.
Q1 actually only interested in my own country
Q2 yes i support a referendum but i don't think the nats will win it at first attempt.if we don't vote for independance surely a move towards federalism might be better than where we are now.
Q3certainly not. i'm sure the people we are looking for are already here we just need to find them and persuade them to come forward.
Q4westminster has had its day the system stinks.
Q5 if you had read all my 2nd post you would know i fully support PR.
sorry it took so long to reply cheers.
Posted by: Victor Smith on 7:49pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Cannot help thinking that New Labour is way past its 'sell by date' and should be gone!
They are an expense we can no longer afford, and, because of their unscrupulous financial antics for either personal gain, or simply to show off their total incompetence - which they are doing very well at (is anybody better at it?)we shall all probaly very soon be flat broke!
Cannot help thinking that New Labour is way past its 'sell by date' and should be gone!
They are an expense we can no longer afford, and, because of their unscrupulous financial antics for either personal gain, or simply to show off their total incompetence - which they are doing very well at (is anybody better at it?)we shall all probaly very soon be flat broke!
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 8:00pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Carlung in Far-Flung Haddington[quote]Who now will lead the Labour Party in Scotland?[/quote]A good question.
My personal opinion is, Brown appointed Browne as Scottish Secretary because Brown was uncertain of Alexander's skills but more certain of Browne's skills, and if proved right about Alexander's lack of skills and right about Browne's skills, then Browne will be Brown's brown-noser, ready to step in to Alexander's brown sneakers and win Brownie points for Brown before the electorate get browned-off by Labour's brown sugaring of sleaze... if you see what I mean?
You could say, Browne as a disciple of Brown is a Brownian.
Yours
Brown Owl
Carlung in Far-Flung Haddington
Who now will lead the Labour Party in Scotland?
A good question.
My personal opinion is, Brown appointed Browne as Scottish Secretary because Brown was uncertain of Alexander's skills but more certain of Browne's skills, and if proved right about Alexander's lack of skills and right about Browne's skills, then Browne will be Brown's brown-noser, ready to step in to Alexander's brown sneakers and win Brownie points for Brown before the electorate get browned-off by Labour's brown sugaring of sleaze... if you see what I mean?
You could say, Browne as a disciple of Brown is a Brownian.
Yours
Brown Owl
Posted by: Ronald, Glasgow on 8:13pm Sun 3 Feb 08
There seems to be only two responses availabe -
as they see it! - to these latest NEW LABOUR
SLEASE/CORRUPTION/IL
EGALITY'S ; First is anger at the nasty nats for having the temerity to hold them to account. How dare they, seems to be the attitude?
Second, is to disappear! I mean, does anyone know were wee "corruption watch", am2 and the other idiots are hiding these days?
So those of us who detest and despise NEW LABOUR and all its unholy works must reach out to these "lost souls". Heck we know that many are sociopaths, friendless - well would you want a NEW LABOUR member moving next door to your family? - not the brightest fireworks in the box, and a tendency towards congenital
lying.
Therefor the message must go out ; just as David Cameron sugested "huging a hoodie" then
we must embrace a plonker - hell you might - almost certainly WILL find it unpleasant but hey, THEY NEED OUR HELP TO REJOIN THE HUMAN RACE!!
There seems to be only two responses availabe -
as they see it! - to these latest NEW LABOUR
SLEASE/CORRUPTION/IL
EGALITY'S ; First is anger at the nasty nats for having the temerity to hold them to account. How dare they, seems to be the attitude?
Second, is to disappear! I mean, does anyone know were wee "corruption watch", am2 and the other idiots are hiding these days?
So those of us who detest and despise NEW LABOUR and all its unholy works must reach out to these "lost souls". Heck we know that many are sociopaths, friendless - well would you want a NEW LABOUR member moving next door to your family? - not the brightest fireworks in the box, and a tendency towards congenital
lying.
Therefor the message must go out ; just as David Cameron sugested "huging a hoodie" then
we must embrace a plonker - hell you might - almost certainly WILL find it unpleasant but hey, THEY NEED OUR HELP TO REJOIN THE HUMAN RACE!!
Posted by: Burd Tina on 8:15pm Sun 3 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Los Angeles[/bold] said
Carlung in Far-Flung Haddington
Who now will lead the Labour Party in Scotland?
A good question.
My personal opinion is, Brown appointed Browne as Scottish Secretary because Brown was uncertain of Alexander's skills but more certain of Browne's skills, and if proved right about Alexander's lack of skills and right about Browne's skills, then Browne will be Brown's brown-noser, ready to step in to Alexander's brown sneakers and win Brownie points for Brown before the electorate get browned-off by Labour's brown sugaring of sleaze... if you see what I mean?
You could say, Browne as a disciple of Brown is a Brownian.[/quote]
A third job, another salary - I can see the attraction for him. But I can't see him being elected to Holyrood in the present climate. Would even Labour MSPs agree to such a retrograde step of direct Westminster control?
Los Angeles said
Carlung in Far-Flung Haddington
Who now will lead the Labour Party in Scotland?
A good question.
My personal opinion is, Brown appointed Browne as Scottish Secretary because Brown was uncertain of Alexander's skills but more certain of Browne's skills, and if proved right about Alexander's lack of skills and right about Browne's skills, then Browne will be Brown's brown-noser, ready to step in to Alexander's brown sneakers and win Brownie points for Brown before the electorate get browned-off by Labour's brown sugaring of sleaze... if you see what I mean?
You could say, Browne as a disciple of Brown is a Brownian.
A third job, another salary - I can see the attraction for him. But I can't see him being elected to Holyrood in the present climate. Would even Labour MSPs agree to such a retrograde step of direct Westminster control?
Posted by: Jwil, Lanarkshire on 8:16pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 8:00pm today
You forgot to mention Brownian motion (s)!
Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 8:00pm today
You forgot to mention Brownian motion (s)!
Posted by: Burd Tina on 8:22pm Sun 3 Feb 08
[quote]
Hereis what I meant to say.
Los Angeles said
My personal opinion is, Brown appointed Browne as Scottish Secretary because Brown was uncertain of Alexander's skills but more certain of Browne's skills, and if proved right about Alexander's lack of skills and right about Browne's skills, then Browne will be Brown's brown-noser, ready to step in to Alexander's brown sneakers and win Brownie points for Brown before the electorate get browned-off by Labour's brown sugaring of sleaze... if you see what I mean?[/quote] A third job, another salary - I can see the attraction for him. But I can't see him being elected to Holyrood in the present climate. Would even Labour MSPs agree to such a retrograde step of direct Westminster control?
Hereis what I meant to say.
Los Angeles said
My personal opinion is, Brown appointed Browne as Scottish Secretary because Brown was uncertain of Alexander's skills but more certain of Browne's skills, and if proved right about Alexander's lack of skills and right about Browne's skills, then Browne will be Brown's brown-noser, ready to step in to Alexander's brown sneakers and win Brownie points for Brown before the electorate get browned-off by Labour's brown sugaring of sleaze... if you see what I mean?
A third job, another salary - I can see the attraction for him. But I can't see him being elected to Holyrood in the present climate. Would even Labour MSPs agree to such a retrograde step of direct Westminster control?
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 8:26pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Burd Tina [quote]I can see the attraction for him. But I can't see him being elected[/quote]he'd have to resign his other posts: duty to the party, and all that. Who can they choose from Labour's rabble? They are all tarred by the same toilet brush.
Burd Tina
I can see the attraction for him. But I can't see him being elected
he'd have to resign his other posts: duty to the party, and all that. Who can they choose from Labour's rabble? They are all tarred by the same toilet brush.
Posted by: Burd Tina on 8:30pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Sorry I posted twice. I thought my first post hadn't come out right. I don't expect two replies.
Sorry I posted twice. I thought my first post hadn't come out right. I don't expect two replies.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 8:32pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Jwil Or Jwon't[quote]You forgot to mention Brownian motion(s)![/quote]LoL
I recall, years ago, a larger than life fat Embra coonsillur of some repute and jocularity taking a swim along the length of Portobello beach to prove to assembled hacks it was not polluted by broken sewage pipes.
One newspaper wit wrote:
"The councillor went through the motions to prove his point."
Priceless.
Jwil Or Jwon't
You forgot to mention Brownian motion(s)!
LoL
I recall, years ago, a larger than life fat Embra coonsillur of some repute and jocularity taking a swim along the length of Portobello beach to prove to assembled hacks it was not polluted by broken sewage pipes.
One newspaper wit wrote:
"The councillor went through the motions to prove his point."
Priceless.
Posted by: Lowperdowg, Rockall on 8:34pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Step into the leadership ring...
Mr Eric Joyce.
Bwahahahahahahaha!
Step into the leadership ring...
Mr Eric Joyce.
Bwahahahahahahaha!
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 8:39pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Lowperdoug Squishes Bug[quote]Step into the leadership ring... Mr Eric Joyce.[/quote]Could he be "Grahamski - Falkirk," of these and other hallowed forums?
"Joyce" ia a fine Irish name. He'll be for forming a republic, then?
Just joshing.
Lowperdoug Squishes Bug
Step into the leadership ring... Mr Eric Joyce.
Could he be "Grahamski - Falkirk," of these and other hallowed forums?
"Joyce" ia a fine Irish name. He'll be for forming a republic, then?
Just joshing.
Posted by: Jigger, the here on 11:19pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Ronald wrote:
[quote]David Cameron sugested "huging a hoodie"[/quote]
So what should we do to bring Labourites into the Fold? How about -
Embrace an erse.
Love a loser.
Cuddle a creep - or crook - or c*nt.
Fling an arm around a f*ckwit.
Snog a snotter.
(I'm sorry, they get even more disgusting)
Ronald wrote:
David Cameron sugested "huging a hoodie"
So what should we do to bring Labourites into the Fold? How about -
Embrace an erse.
Love a loser.
Cuddle a creep - or crook - or c*nt.
Fling an arm around a f*ckwit.
Snog a snotter.
(I'm sorry, they get even more disgusting)
Posted by: seventhseil, outwith the central belt on 10:32pm Tue 5 Feb 08
No matter whether this was illegal or not, what sort of imbicile as acting Scottish Health Minister accepts "gifts" from MacDonalds when Scotland has the highest rate of heart disease in Europe!!!
Illegal maybe, unbelievably stupid,YES!!
No matter whether this was illegal or not, what sort of imbicile as acting Scottish Health Minister accepts "gifts" from MacDonalds when Scotland has the highest rate of heart disease in Europe!!!
Illegal maybe, unbelievably stupid,YES!!
Posted by: V.B., 016-505 on 7:48am Sun 10 Feb 08
It seems terrible that the time of the Crown Office is being wasted over such piddling amounts of money.
Why not have a blanket rule for all parties which states the ALL money irrespective of size of donation should be declared and if not the person responsible for receiving the gift/donation will be expelled.
It seems terrible that the time of the Crown Office is being wasted over such piddling amounts of money.
Why not have a blanket rule for all parties which states the ALL money irrespective of size of donation should be declared and if not the person responsible for receiving the gift/donation will be expelled.
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