Senior Labour figures claim ‘line was crossed’ in criticism of Wendy Alexander Peers allege continued attacks on Scottish Labour leader amounted to ‘campaign of personal smears’.
By James Hamilton SENIOR LABOUR figures have claimed the party's Scottish leader, Wendy Alexander, is being subjected to a continued "smear campaign".
The Labour MSP, Lord Foulkes, said the line had been crossed from fair public scrutiny to a "concerted attempt" to undermine her integrity and reputation. He said that continued attacks on Alexander devalued the whole of the Scottish political process and undermined the "new politics" which had been hoped for after devolution.
Lord Robertson, a former Nato secretary general, also defended Alexander, specifically over new allegations surrounding how her 2003 election campaign was funded.
Lothians MSP Foulkes said: "We all know that politics is a rough old trade. Personal criticism is part of it, so is public scrutiny, and rightly so. But there is a clear line between that and a prolonged campaign of personal smears.
"There is no doubt in my mind that this line has now been crossed in a concerted attempt to smear Wendy Alexander's integrity and reputation."
He added that Alexander had faced up to an Electoral Commission inquiry into donations to her recent leadership campaign.
"She did so openly and without complaint," he said. "That has now been concluded. She is a politician of integrity and commitment who should now be allowed to get on with her job.
"Those who object to her politics or policies should, of course, take issue with her through political argument. But a campaign of personal abuse is no substitute for that."
Fresh controversy arose last week concerning an organisation called the Scottish Industry Forum (SIF), which allegedly gave money from two dinners held in 2002 to Alexander's constituency office towards her 2003 election campaign.
Some guests have claimed that they attended thinking it was an event to establish bridges between government and business, and were unaware that proceeds from the dinner would fund the local Labour Party.
When the row broke last week, Labour gave conflicting accounts of the nature of the SIF. Foulkes said that the forum was "never billed as politically neutral". A Labour spokesman said the forum was separate from the party.
However, last night Robertson, a former UK defence secretary, claimed the organisation was "explicitly and unashamedly" set up by the party and "did not pretend to be anything else".
He added: "The Scottish Industry Forum was similar to the Conservative Party's Focus on Scotland dinners, which raised hundreds of thousands of pounds for Tory coffers, and also like the SNP's Business for Scotland organisation.
"The forum organised seminars, briefings and events designed to involve and inform the Scottish business community about what Labour was doing in their interest."
The former Hamilton South MP said he was one of several senior Labour party figures - including the now-chancellor Alistair Darling, John Reid, former Scottish Labour leader Jack McConnell, Tom McCabe and Douglas Alexander - who attended forum events, often held in Labour premises.
"Many representatives of the business community came, in addition to overt supporters of other parties, to hear the views of opposition spokesmen and subsequently government ministers," Robertson added. "We never hid or disguised the connection with Scottish Labour. Any suggestion to the contrary is just plain wrong."
McConnell backs commission
FORMER First Minister Jack McConnell has backed a new commission to look at giving Holyrood more powers.
He said the time was right, 10 years on from the act which created the parliament, to look at the relationship with the UK.
But he warned politicians not to use the Scottish Constitutional Commission simply to discuss what extra powers.
In an interview with BBC Radio Scotland, he said: "I think it is absolutely essential that politicians don't get carried away with themselves and spend all their time discussing their powers rather than what they do with those powers.
"There is also the need to have a real debate about how the powers are being used at the moment.
"I think there are choices being made which will be damaging to Scotland."
McConnell's comments follow remarks last week by Scotland Office Minister David Cairns who claimed there was no case for giving the Scottish parliament further tax-raising powers, saying talk of substantial new powers for Holyrood was an inward looking "McChattering classes" issue. However, Scottish Labour leader Wendy Alexander has claimed Prime Minister Gordon Brown supports the commission.
And Labour, Tory and LibDems have given their backing.
The Scottish government has not signed up instead launching a "national conversation" to look at the issue of independence.
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Posted by: Observer on 11:03pm Sat 16 Feb 08
This is not a campaign of personal abuse. Wendy Alexander is not the victim here. Faith in the fairness of political regulation is the victim as no one now has any confidence in the electoral commisssion whatsoever.
This is not a campaign of personal abuse. Wendy Alexander is not the victim here. Faith in the fairness of political regulation is the victim as no one now has any confidence in the electoral commisssion whatsoever.
Posted by: Scotsgait, www.scotsgait.co.uk on 11:10pm Sat 16 Feb 08
She may well be being subjected to a smear campaign - most probably from within her own party.
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Scotsgait - an independent internet community for Scotland
She may well be being subjected to a smear campaign - most probably from within her own party.
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Scotsgait - an independent internet community for Scotland
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 11:12pm Sat 16 Feb 08
Foulkes says:
[quote]... Alexander had faced up to an Electoral Commission inquiry into donations to her recent leadership campaign.
"She did so openly and without complaint," he said. "That has now been concluded. She is a politician of integrity and commitment who should now be allowed to get on with her job.[/quote]
The Star Chamber may have let her walk Foulksie but they didn't clear her name or her reputation. Wendy has[bold] No Credibility[/bold] whatsoever. Neither does the Star Chamber - AKA Electoral Commission.
Foulkes says:
... Alexander had faced up to an Electoral Commission inquiry into donations to her recent leadership campaign.
"She did so openly and without complaint," he said. "That has now been concluded. She is a politician of integrity and commitment who should now be allowed to get on with her job.
The Star Chamber may have let her walk Foulksie but they didn't clear her name or her reputation. Wendy has
No Credibility whatsoever. Neither does the Star Chamber - AKA Electoral Commission.
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 11:13pm Sat 16 Feb 08
[italic][bold]Let's see the emails Wendy!!![/bold][/italic]
Let's see the emails Wendy!!! Posted by: Observer on 11:14pm Sat 16 Feb 08
Imagine having to rely on a degenerate like Foulkes to defend your integrity ? Deary me.
Imagine having to rely on a degenerate like Foulkes to defend your integrity ? Deary me.
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 11:15pm Sat 16 Feb 08
did anyone else hear violins playing, that was soo weird.
[italic]The Scottish Industry Forum is an independent business organisation set up in 1995 to facilitate dialogue between the business community and the government. It has no political affiliation and does not require members to have any particular political views.[/italic] I'm guessing that was a bit of a fib then?
did anyone else hear violins playing, that was soo weird.
The Scottish Industry Forum is an independent business organisation set up in 1995 to facilitate dialogue between the business community and the government. It has no political affiliation and does not require members to have any particular political views. I'm guessing that was a bit of a fib then?
Posted by: Scotsgait, www.scotsgait.co.uk on 11:17pm Sat 16 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Lord George[/bold] : continued attacks on Alexander devalued the whole of the Scottish political process [italic][bold]and undermined the "new politics" which had been hoped for after devolution.[/bold[/italic] ] [/quote]
I'm afraid I haven't seen much evidence of the new politics from the good Lord Foulkes himself...
Lord George : continued attacks on Alexander devalued the whole of the Scottish political process and undermined the "new politics" which had been hoped for after devolution.
I'm afraid I haven't seen much evidence of the new politics from the good Lord Foulkes himself...
Posted by: doonhamer, Dumfries on 11:23pm Sat 16 Feb 08
Relying of Foulkes to defend your integrity and honesty is like asking the devil to assist you in fire fighting.
Relying of Foulkes to defend your integrity and honesty is like asking the devil to assist you in fire fighting.
Posted by: Steve A, Glasgow on 11:32pm Sat 16 Feb 08
Foulkes and Robertson should have a look at the herald poll! its way beyond even the trust issue now the vast majority of folk just know this lame duck just not got what it takes,so go on you pair of old duffers tell the 90% of people that voted that they got it wrong. oh! and while your at it keep telling us that 75% of scots dont want to live in an independent scotland.To use a well used nichol( baboon face) stevens phrase.YOUR NUMBERS JUST DONT ADD UP!
Foulkes and Robertson should have a look at the herald poll! its way beyond even the trust issue now the vast majority of folk just know this lame duck just not got what it takes,so go on you pair of old duffers tell the 90% of people that voted that they got it wrong. oh! and while your at it keep telling us that 75% of scots dont want to live in an independent scotland.To use a well used nichol( baboon face) stevens phrase.YOUR NUMBERS JUST DONT ADD UP!
Posted by: Clare, Lanarkshire on 11:33pm Sat 16 Feb 08
She did so openly? Why then is she refusing to release paperwork requested by Dinwoodie and Hutcheon?
As for the "prolonged" campaign, was it our fault the EC took nearly three months to deal with it?
As for the reason the whole thing happened, ILLEGAL conduct brought that about, is that our fault too?
She did so openly? Why then is she refusing to release paperwork requested by Dinwoodie and Hutcheon?
As for the "prolonged" campaign, was it our fault the EC took nearly three months to deal with it?
As for the reason the whole thing happened, ILLEGAL conduct brought that about, is that our fault too?
Posted by: David, Glasgow on 11:34pm Sat 16 Feb 08
According to today's Sunday post (it is now online) Wendy is in trouble for the discovery that she backed a motion in parliament concerning one of her financial backers (something she is prohibited from doing, apparently).
According to today's Sunday post (it is now online) Wendy is in trouble for the discovery that she backed a motion in parliament concerning one of her financial backers (something she is prohibited from doing, apparently).
Posted by: David, Glasgow on 11:38pm Sat 16 Feb 08
This is the link: http://www.thesunday
post.co.uk/news1.htm
One wonders who it is who is leaking this stuff from within the Labour party?
Seems a bit like civil war.
This is the link: http://www.thesunday
post.co.uk/news1.htm
One wonders who it is who is leaking this stuff from within the Labour party?
Seems a bit like civil war.
Posted by: Jacky O Gnashes on 11:48pm Sat 16 Feb 08
[quote]Foulkes said that the forum was "never billed as politically neutral".[/quote]
[quote]Robertson, a former UK defence secretary, claimed the organisation was "explicitly and unashamedly" set up by the party and "did not pretend to be anything else".[/quote]
[quote]"Many representatives of the business community came, in addition to overt supporters of other parties, to hear the views of opposition spokesmen and subsequently government ministers," Robertson added. "We never hid or disguised the connection with Scottish Labour. Any suggestion to the contrary is just plain wrong."[/quote]
Oh really Lord George and Lord George?
Then how do you explain this on the Ipsos-MORI website?
http://www.ipsos-mor
i.com/polls/1999/sco
tindf.shtml
[italic][bold]The Scottish Industry Forum is an independent business organisation set up in 1995 to facilitate dialogue between the business community and the government. It has no political affiliation and does not require members to have any particular political views.[/bold][/italic]
You have a lot of explaining to do it seems.
Foulkes said that the forum was "never billed as politically neutral".
Robertson, a former UK defence secretary, claimed the organisation was "explicitly and unashamedly" set up by the party and "did not pretend to be anything else".
"Many representatives of the business community came, in addition to overt supporters of other parties, to hear the views of opposition spokesmen and subsequently government ministers," Robertson added. "We never hid or disguised the connection with Scottish Labour. Any suggestion to the contrary is just plain wrong."
Oh really Lord George and Lord George?
Then how do you explain this on the Ipsos-MORI website?
http://www.ipsos-mor
i.com/polls/1999/sco
tindf.shtml
The Scottish Industry Forum is an independent business organisation set up in 1995 to facilitate dialogue between the business community and the government. It has no political affiliation and does not require members to have any particular political views.
You have a lot of explaining to do it seems.
Posted by: mary bermnar, glasgow on 11:53pm Sat 16 Feb 08
Lord Foulks says ...smear, undermine integrity of political process... why waste time smearing Wendy? She is doing a fine job herself without any help from anyone, including Lord Foooolks!
Lord Foulks says ...smear, undermine integrity of political process... why waste time smearing Wendy? She is doing a fine job herself without any help from anyone, including Lord Foooolks!
Posted by: Jimbo on 12:04am Sun 17 Feb 08
[quote]The Labour MSP, Lord Foulkes, said the line had been crossed from fair public scrutiny to a "concerted attempt" to undermine her integrity and reputation.[/quote]
Is Foulkes saying that the Scottish press crossed the line by reporting the facts? Is he so used to the press being Labour biased that in the opinion of he and his Labour Party, honesty is to be suppressed? Is there not a 'concerted attempt' here by Foulkes and Robertson to influence the output of the press and undermine their integrity?
[quote]He said that continued attacks on Alexander devalued the whole of the Scottish political process and undermined the "new politics" which had been hoped for after devolution.[/quote]
Has he no criticism of Alexander, regarding the fact that she personally has devalued and undermined the 'new politics' of devolution and she, along with her party (in which he is an over vociferous whinger) has brought Scottish politics into disrepute?
I've no doubt that away from politics George Foulkes is probably a thoroughly decent chap, but in his guise as a Labour politician he comes across as an opportunist creep.
The Labour MSP, Lord Foulkes, said the line had been crossed from fair public scrutiny to a "concerted attempt" to undermine her integrity and reputation.
Is Foulkes saying that the Scottish press crossed the line by reporting the facts? Is he so used to the press being Labour biased that in the opinion of he and his Labour Party, honesty is to be suppressed? Is there not a 'concerted attempt' here by Foulkes and Robertson to influence the output of the press and undermine their integrity?
He said that continued attacks on Alexander devalued the whole of the Scottish political process and undermined the "new politics" which had been hoped for after devolution.
Has he no criticism of Alexander, regarding the fact that she personally has devalued and undermined the 'new politics' of devolution and she, along with her party (in which he is an over vociferous whinger) has brought Scottish politics into disrepute?
I've no doubt that away from politics George Foulkes is probably a thoroughly decent chap, but in his guise as a Labour politician he comes across as an opportunist creep.
Posted by: subrosa on 12:05am Sun 17 Feb 08
I see Wendy's headlines in the Sunday Post. Something to do with not declaring an interest when passing a motion on the Braehead Shopping Centre.
I see Wendy's headlines in the Sunday Post. Something to do with not declaring an interest when passing a motion on the Braehead Shopping Centre.
Posted by: An t-Amadan, Alba on 12:06am Sun 17 Feb 08
[quote]He said that continued attacks on Alexander devalued the whole of the Scottish political process and undermined the "new politics" which had been hoped for after devolution.[/quote]
His Lordship lives in strange world, where it is not the committing of the offences which has "devalued the whole of the Scottish political process" but the reporting of them. If the press were nice and obedient and had kept quiet about the multitudinous scandals involving the shady dealings of Ms. Alexander, the world would be a better place. As it would have been had not the nasty press reported his unfortunate brush with the law in London.
He said that continued attacks on Alexander devalued the whole of the Scottish political process and undermined the "new politics" which had been hoped for after devolution.
His Lordship lives in strange world, where it is not the committing of the offences which has "devalued the whole of the Scottish political process" but the reporting of them. If the press were nice and obedient and had kept quiet about the multitudinous scandals involving the shady dealings of Ms. Alexander, the world would be a better place. As it would have been had not the nasty press reported his unfortunate brush with the law in London.
Posted by: subrosa on 12:06am Sun 17 Feb 08
Sorry I notice David's already mentioned it. Why all the italics?[italic]italic[/italic]
Sorry I notice David's already mentioned it. Why all the italics?
Posted by: JZ on 12:07am Sun 17 Feb 08
Why is Foulkes always referred to as a significant figure? Wendy handed out something like 26 jobs - he obviously wanted one, or why would he make such constant noise in the media - and he got NOTHING.
I remember when Foulkes became an MSP - the Press said he was moving to Holyrood to "beef up the Scottish team" with a "big beast"! But that was Foulkes' PR line - a big beast who can't even get the lowliest shadow job!
The bizarre thing is that as Foulkes blunders and discredits himself with bluster, he's still referred to as a "senior figure".
Why is Foulkes always referred to as a significant figure? Wendy handed out something like 26 jobs - he obviously wanted one, or why would he make such constant noise in the media - and he got NOTHING.
I remember when Foulkes became an MSP - the Press said he was moving to Holyrood to "beef up the Scottish team" with a "big beast"! But that was Foulkes' PR line - a big beast who can't even get the lowliest shadow job!
The bizarre thing is that as Foulkes blunders and discredits himself with bluster, he's still referred to as a "senior figure".
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 12:10am Sun 17 Feb 08
[italic]passing a motion on the Braehead Shopping Centre.[/italic]
conjouring up horrible mental images there.
passing a motion on the Braehead Shopping Centre.
conjouring up horrible mental images there.
Posted by: Steve A, Glasgow on 12:12am Sun 17 Feb 08
Does anybody believe a single word from the liebour party ? they must realise that they are rumbled .So please please cut the crap and come clean with the electorate if you dont you had better learn how to fix elections rapid!
Does anybody believe a single word from the liebour party ? they must realise that they are rumbled .So please please cut the crap and come clean with the electorate if you dont you had better learn how to fix elections rapid!
Posted by: Jimmy the Pie on 12:18am Sun 17 Feb 08
His Lardship should quietly retire and stop making a fool of himself. Does he think anyone in their right mind would believe anything he utters??
No dignity
No morality
No standing!
His Lardship should quietly retire and stop making a fool of himself. Does he think anyone in their right mind would believe anything he utters??
No dignity
No morality
No standing!
Posted by: Traquir, Alba on 12:18am Sun 17 Feb 08
Westmonster can't be trusted.
Labour can't be trusted.
"Scottish" Labour especially can't be trusted.
They do not deserve our trust - the McCrone
report showed that Westmonster conducts
deceit without remorse to the severe
detriment of the Scottish People.
Even when it comes to so called conspiracy
theory they lie to their back teeth
and make suspected conspiracy reality e.g.
April 1999 - SNP announces they believe they
had been infiltrated by MI5.
23 April 1999 House of Commons - Labour
makes a joke of it, even although no
doubt they already know it was true -
Malcolm Savidge -
"I recognise that security matters are not usually debated on the Floor of the House, but will my right hon. Friend find time to discuss the grave allegations in the editorial of the Scottish National party's monthly newsletter that MI5 has infiltrated the SNP with agents provocateurs to cause damage and discredit to the party?..."
Margaret Beckett :
"I freely confess to my hon. Friend that I was not familiar with that concern. I should have thought that the SNP was only too grateful to get new members..."
16th Sept 2007 - "Files prove that MI5 spied on SNP" The Scotsman - tinyurl.com/36nrq6
These people can not be trusted their interest
is in the power of Westmonster not Scotland
and they are surprised and have
the hypocrisy to feign surprise at
the intensity of attack on their poodles
which assist them in peddling their lies.
In the past week we have had so many different
stories from the various branches of
Labour - Government, Scottish Labour,
Council, Scotland Office - that it is
clear that now they don't even trust
each other and are blatantly lying to
each other and now they are lying to
cover up the fact they are lying ?
The quicker these imbeciles implode the
better.
P.S.
Why is the Scottish Press not actively
pursuing the suspect money laundering
via the so called Scottish Industry Forum ?
Westmonster can't be trusted.
Labour can't be trusted.
"Scottish" Labour especially can't be trusted.
They do not deserve our trust - the McCrone
report showed that Westmonster conducts
deceit without remorse to the severe
detriment of the Scottish People.
Even when it comes to so called conspiracy
theory they lie to their back teeth
and make suspected conspiracy reality e.g.
April 1999 - SNP announces they believe they
had been infiltrated by MI5.
23 April 1999 House of Commons - Labour
makes a joke of it, even although no
doubt they already know it was true -
Malcolm Savidge -
"I recognise that security matters are not usually debated on the Floor of the House, but will my right hon. Friend find time to discuss the grave allegations in the editorial of the Scottish National party's monthly newsletter that MI5 has infiltrated the SNP with agents provocateurs to cause damage and discredit to the party?..."
Margaret Beckett :
"I freely confess to my hon. Friend that I was not familiar with that concern. I should have thought that the SNP was only too grateful to get new members..."
16th Sept 2007 - "Files prove that MI5 spied on SNP" The Scotsman - tinyurl.com/36nrq6
These people can not be trusted their interest
is in the power of Westmonster not Scotland
and they are surprised and have
the hypocrisy to feign surprise at
the intensity of attack on their poodles
which assist them in peddling their lies.
In the past week we have had so many different
stories from the various branches of
Labour - Government, Scottish Labour,
Council, Scotland Office - that it is
clear that now they don't even trust
each other and are blatantly lying to
each other and now they are lying to
cover up the fact they are lying ?
The quicker these imbeciles implode the
better.
P.S.
Why is the Scottish Press not actively
pursuing the suspect money laundering
via the so called Scottish Industry Forum ?
Posted by: jomellon, Lodève, France on 12:19am Sun 17 Feb 08
Well: there may be a smear campaign, but NuLabour supplied the fresh smelly dirt....
Notice how the failure to recommend prosecution is being taken as proof of lily white innocence?
Let's refresh the facts:
- Wendy herself had a strict legal responsibilty wrt donations
- donations were solicited at a level to avoid declaration
- they were solicited from (at least one) person from whom it would be illegal to to accept donations
- after the donation was given the identity of the donor was changed
- Wendy wrote a personal thank you note
- the donator was a building millionaire who had, and has, vital interests in planning permissions approved by Labour controlled councils.
This is exactly the sort of thing that the law was supposed to stop. This "dirt" is the life blood of NuLabour.
And Labour rolling out the Grandees... I think that means they are really worries that the whole bag of Scottish NuLabour dirt is about to come out if the dams don't hold here...
Well: there may be a smear campaign, but NuLabour supplied the fresh smelly dirt....
Notice how the failure to recommend prosecution is being taken as proof of lily white innocence?
Let's refresh the facts:
- Wendy herself had a strict legal responsibilty wrt donations
- donations were solicited at a level to avoid declaration
- they were solicited from (at least one) person from whom it would be illegal to to accept donations
- after the donation was given the identity of the donor was changed
- Wendy wrote a personal thank you note
- the donator was a building millionaire who had, and has, vital interests in planning permissions approved by Labour controlled councils.
This is exactly the sort of thing that the law was supposed to stop. This "dirt" is the life blood of NuLabour.
And Labour rolling out the Grandees... I think that means they are really worries that the whole bag of Scottish NuLabour dirt is about to come out if the dams don't hold here...
Posted by: karin on 12:21am Sun 17 Feb 08
where is paul hutcheon we demand to know what the sunday herald has done with him.
free the sunday herald one.
where is paul hutcheon we demand to know what the sunday herald has done with him.
free the sunday herald one.
Posted by: Clare, lanarkshire on 12:22am Sun 17 Feb 08
"Is Foulkes saying that the Scottish press crossed the line by reporting the facts?"
Jimbo, that's exactly what he's saying.
"Is Foulkes saying that the Scottish press crossed the line by reporting the facts?"
Jimbo, that's exactly what he's saying.
Posted by: Jimmy the Pie on 12:23am Sun 17 Feb 08
Would their Lordships be the same people, who, when they were younger, campaigned against the House of Lords? Principles don't last long do they??
Would their Lordships be the same people, who, when they were younger, campaigned against the House of Lords? Principles don't last long do they??
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 12:24am Sun 17 Feb 08
i think Paul's articles will be online just after 1am
i think Paul's articles will be online just after 1am
Posted by: karin on 12:27am Sun 17 Feb 08
is the above comments by foulkes the reason there are no articles by paul hutcheon the best journalist in scotland. Has the sunday herald been got at by labour? is that what foulkes meant when he said on national tv paul hutcheon was a silly boy.
where is paul hutcheon!!!!!!!
is the above comments by foulkes the reason there are no articles by paul hutcheon the best journalist in scotland. Has the sunday herald been got at by labour? is that what foulkes meant when he said on national tv paul hutcheon was a silly boy.
where is paul hutcheon!!!!!!!
Posted by: karin on 12:28am Sun 17 Feb 08
megz they better be..................
..
megz they better be..................
..
Posted by: karin, paul hutcheon best journo in scotland. on 12:30am Sun 17 Feb 08
we want paul hutcheon
we want paul hutcheon
we want paul hutcheon
we want paul hutcheon
we want paul hutcheon
we want paul hutcheon
we want paul hutcheon
we want paul hutcheon
we want paul hutcheon
we want paul hutcheon
we want paul hutcheon
we want paul hutcheon
we want paul hutcheon
we want paul hutcheon
we want paul hutcheon
we want paul hutcheon
we want paul hutcheon
we want paul hutcheon
we want paul hutcheon
we want paul hutcheon
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 12:31am Sun 17 Feb 08
i'm sure it was the same last week, so sad that i waited up to see what leaks had been made lol
i'm sure it was the same last week, so sad that i waited up to see what leaks had been made lol
Posted by: Steve A, Glasgow on 12:33am Sun 17 Feb 08
Liebour party seems to be really desperate to hold on to bendy and it would seem to me that she and her defenders were saying that she would have to be jailed before she would resign,just what does that tell us about these mugs.
Liebour party seems to be really desperate to hold on to bendy and it would seem to me that she and her defenders were saying that she would have to be jailed before she would resign,just what does that tell us about these mugs.
Posted by: Jeremy Clarkshoes on 12:34am Sun 17 Feb 08
Lord George Foulkes said
[quote]"Those who object to her politics or policies should, of course, take issue with her through political argument. But a campaign of personal abuse is no substitute for that."[/quote]
Coming from the man whose political debating skills have come up with calls people "s**ts", "harridans", "incompetents" and even calling the Speaker a "Pakistani cricket umpire"; it's a bit like being lectured on looking after hamsters by Freddie Starr.
Lord George Foulkes said
"Those who object to her politics or policies should, of course, take issue with her through political argument. But a campaign of personal abuse is no substitute for that."
Coming from the man whose political debating skills have come up with calls people "s**ts", "harridans", "incompetents" and even calling the Speaker a "Pakistani cricket umpire"; it's a bit like being lectured on looking after hamsters by Freddie Starr.
Posted by: karin on 12:40am Sun 17 Feb 08
[quote]That has now been concluded. She is a politician of integrity and commitment who should now be allowed to get on with her job[/quote]
oh no mr foulkes this isnt concluded not by a long shot. There is still a little matter of the PF having to make a decision about failure to declare gifts over £520 quid. There is also the matter of SIF. Which you have either lied about now or labour lied about in 2003.
concluded i thinkee not.
That has now been concluded. She is a politician of integrity and commitment who should now be allowed to get on with her job
oh no mr foulkes this isnt concluded not by a long shot. There is still a little matter of the PF having to make a decision about failure to declare gifts over £520 quid. There is also the matter of SIF. Which you have either lied about now or labour lied about in 2003.
concluded i thinkee not.
Posted by: Seannair, Oban on 12:46am Sun 17 Feb 08
Do members of the House of Lords not feel any need to tell the truth?
Lord George Robertson and Lord George Foulkes were both kicked upstairs when their function in the Palace of Varieties came to end.They carry little credibility with the electorate when they pontificate. When the role of The Scottish Industry Forum (SIF) was first raised the organisers completely denied any political ties and it is difficult to see how senior civil servants, local authority officials, Tory party workers and Nationalist activists like Ian Lawson would willingly have given financial support to a body that was openly recognised as a front organisation for the Labour Party.
Why does a politician like Wendy Alexander require substantial subsidy from external sources anyway. Most real politicians raise their money through constituency activists and grass roots fundraising rather than by subterfuge.
Do members of the House of Lords not feel any need to tell the truth?
Lord George Robertson and Lord George Foulkes were both kicked upstairs when their function in the Palace of Varieties came to end.They carry little credibility with the electorate when they pontificate. When the role of The Scottish Industry Forum (SIF) was first raised the organisers completely denied any political ties and it is difficult to see how senior civil servants, local authority officials, Tory party workers and Nationalist activists like Ian Lawson would willingly have given financial support to a body that was openly recognised as a front organisation for the Labour Party.
Why does a politician like Wendy Alexander require substantial subsidy from external sources anyway. Most real politicians raise their money through constituency activists and grass roots fundraising rather than by subterfuge.
Posted by: Steve A, Glasgow on 12:47am Sun 17 Feb 08
Anybody notice that the tap on wendygate was firmly closed last week? seems so obvious that broon controls the entire media in scotland .What worries me is if he can pull that one off what else can he fix ?
Anybody notice that the tap on wendygate was firmly closed last week? seems so obvious that broon controls the entire media in scotland .What worries me is if he can pull that one off what else can he fix ?
Posted by: izzie, dundee on 12:50am Sun 17 Feb 08
if seeking the truth and demanding clarity are crossing the line then so be it but people i have spoken to feel an underlying sense of unease that there has been a stitch up. I still can't understand why the donars to wendy's campaign gave amounts which were under the radar why emails which were so important to the eventual outcome of this enquiry have not been put in the public domain and why the outcome of the enquiry was so confidently predicted
if seeking the truth and demanding clarity are crossing the line then so be it but people i have spoken to feel an underlying sense of unease that there has been a stitch up. I still can't understand why the donars to wendy's campaign gave amounts which were under the radar why emails which were so important to the eventual outcome of this enquiry have not been put in the public domain and why the outcome of the enquiry was so confidently predicted
Posted by: Things To Come, Not The Lothians on 12:55am Sun 17 Feb 08
Just had a look on the good Lord Foulkes' website and I think he may be breaking the Trades Description Act.
The site has the Headline Banner.....
"George Foulkes MSP... Working Hard For The Lothians"
Then underneath it has...."Council Tax Frozen...
Householders in West Lothian have had their council tax frozen, for the first time in a decade"
The clear inpression is that George Foulkes achieved this.
As the Advertising Standards advert says....
Is this legal, decent, honest and truthful ?
Answers on a postcard.
Just had a look on the good Lord Foulkes' website and I think he may be breaking the Trades Description Act.
The site has the Headline Banner.....
"George Foulkes MSP... Working Hard For The Lothians"
Then underneath it has...."Council Tax Frozen...
Householders in West Lothian have had their council tax frozen, for the first time in a decade"
The clear inpression is that George Foulkes achieved this.
As the Advertising Standards advert says....
Is this legal, decent, honest and truthful ?
Answers on a postcard.
Posted by: Sanny on 12:56am Sun 17 Feb 08
Wendy committed a crime! She admitted she committed a crime. What more is to be said? Other than why have the police not investigate the admitted criminal activity.
Wendy committed a crime! She admitted she committed a crime. What more is to be said? Other than why have the police not investigate the admitted criminal activity.
Posted by: karin on 12:58am Sun 17 Feb 08
george foulkes says a line has been crossed so do i the line where wendy alexander went from being a law abiding citizen to breaking the law. Im still waiting for something to be done about that.
george foulkes says a line has been crossed so do i the line where wendy alexander went from being a law abiding citizen to breaking the law. Im still waiting for something to be done about that.
Posted by: Steve A, Glasgow on 1:16am Sun 17 Feb 08
Att:Foulkes Robertson the only line that was crossed with wendygate was that line of trust that the public has with its politicians and the crazy perception that they are honest people.If i cant pay my hefty tax bill this year is ok for me to say that iam not in a position to pay on an intentional basis or would that be Really crossing the line as you are concerned.Please do the scottish people a favour and bugger off to westmonster and dont let the door hit you on the way out!
Att:Foulkes Robertson the only line that was crossed with wendygate was that line of trust that the public has with its politicians and the crazy perception that they are honest people.If i cant pay my hefty tax bill this year is ok for me to say that iam not in a position to pay on an intentional basis or would that be Really crossing the line as you are concerned.Please do the scottish people a favour and bugger off to westmonster and dont let the door hit you on the way out!
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 1:17am Sun 17 Feb 08
at this point the line is a dot to her. Anyone know how often the register of interests is updated as the donations for her non contest don't seem to be there.
at this point the line is a dot to her. Anyone know how often the register of interests is updated as the donations for her non contest don't seem to be there.
Posted by: karin on 1:33am Sun 17 Feb 08
people paul hutcheon is still missing.
we must find him.
people paul hutcheon is still missing.
we must find him.
Posted by: izzie, dundee on 1:36am Sun 17 Feb 08
Read the Sunday Post (God i never thought I would say that) how come they can have that information and no one else does it appears to be dynamite
Read the Sunday Post (God i never thought I would say that) how come they can have that information and no one else does it appears to be dynamite
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 1:39am Sun 17 Feb 08
surprising really as it is easily found.
donations;
http://www.scottish.
parliament.uk/msp/me
mbersPages/wendy_ale
xander/roi.htm
Motion;
http://www.scottish.
parliament.uk/msp/me
mbersPages/wendy_ale
xander/roi.htm
surprising really as it is easily found.
donations;
http://www.scottish.
parliament.uk/msp/me
mbersPages/wendy_ale
xander/roi.htm
Motion;
http://www.scottish.
parliament.uk/msp/me
mbersPages/wendy_ale
xander/roi.htm
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 1:41am Sun 17 Feb 08
as i mentioned earlier the donations to her campaign don't seem to be on the register. If she hasn't registered them (i'm sure she has claimed that she as even though i can't see any sign of them) she will be in very deep doodoo.
as i mentioned earlier the donations to her campaign don't seem to be on the register. If she hasn't registered them (i'm sure she has claimed that she as even though i can't see any sign of them) she will be in very deep doodoo.
Posted by: izzie, dundee on 1:45am Sun 17 Feb 08
don't worry I am sure these 'impermissable' donationans were not 'intentional'
don't worry I am sure these 'impermissable' donationans were not 'intentional'
Posted by: Steve A, Glasgow on 1:45am Sun 17 Feb 08
Seems to be a different paper every week that has bit on bendy perhaps the leakster likes to deal with the highest bidder!
Seems to be a different paper every week that has bit on bendy perhaps the leakster likes to deal with the highest bidder!
Posted by: izzie, dundee on 1:45am Sun 17 Feb 08
don't worry I am sure these 'impermissable' donationans were not 'intentional'
don't worry I am sure these 'impermissable' donationans were not 'intentional'
Posted by: Andrew BOD, Aberdeen on 1:48am Sun 17 Feb 08
Dear Lord Foulkes
All politicians are accountable for standards in public life. WE the public pay YOUR wages and expenses. If there is a suspicion that those standards are below what the law expects, then an investigation must take place. That investigation is not beyond media coverage, and no politician is beyond investigation, not even Wendy. There is no time limit on standards in public life, so a suspicious act from 2003, not yet investigated, should not be ignored.
That is not personal abuse, and you need to be able to differentiate m'Lud.
Dear Lord Foulkes
All politicians are accountable for standards in public life. WE the public pay YOUR wages and expenses. If there is a suspicion that those standards are below what the law expects, then an investigation must take place. That investigation is not beyond media coverage, and no politician is beyond investigation, not even Wendy. There is no time limit on standards in public life, so a suspicious act from 2003, not yet investigated, should not be ignored.
That is not personal abuse, and you need to be able to differentiate m'Lud.
Posted by: Steve A, Glasgow on 1:53am Sun 17 Feb 08
Please mr editor please roll out mr hutcheon before we all loose what little faith we had in your rag and before poor karin explodes!
Please mr editor please roll out mr hutcheon before we all loose what little faith we had in your rag and before poor karin explodes!
Posted by: democrate, central Scotland on 2:09am Sun 17 Feb 08
Never thought I would see the day when I was imploring fellow Scots to read the Sunday Post for any entertainment other than Oor Wullie. Think your tea is now officially oot, Ms Alexander.You only have Maw Broon tae thank.
Never thought I would see the day when I was imploring fellow Scots to read the Sunday Post for any entertainment other than Oor Wullie. Think your tea is now officially oot, Ms Alexander.You only have Maw Broon tae thank.
Posted by: Colin B, Bearsden on 2:14am Sun 17 Feb 08
Wendy broke the law - we can say this forever-she used the Des BRowne defence of neot intentional -the reason the LAbour Biased ( ie McCormack and Elder) electroral commision took so long was trying to come up with a compromise
as she had admitted guilt and the evidence was obvious
( and a bent and biased Fiscal went along with it ) why do politiicans have the buffer of the E C when no one else does? - Labour are scum and will remain so until they start putting their hands up. Roberstns is nother Lbaour nutter -representsed Hamilton but lived in Dunbalne- rleied on bluster-saced as Secreatary fo Stat for Scotlkand in favour of Dewar and was an abject failure as Defence minister-talk and no action
The Fiscal / Crown office let Wendy and Unison members off when criminality law breaking is found yet charge Sheridan and others when a jury has found in their favour. That is the LAbour bias- it is undeniable. Elish should be dismissed along with beckettt Labours wolf in sheeps clothings whoes utterancnes against Mitchell, Megrahi and Nat Fraser are becoming ver more deperate despite his admissions of crown failings and his being sacked as Solicitor General for his Labour bias. Mulhololland we are watching you
Wendy broke the law - we can say this forever-she used the Des BRowne defence of neot intentional -the reason the LAbour Biased ( ie McCormack and Elder) electroral commision took so long was trying to come up with a compromise
as she had admitted guilt and the evidence was obvious
( and a bent and biased Fiscal went along with it ) why do politiicans have the buffer of the E C when no one else does? - Labour are scum and will remain so until they start putting their hands up. Roberstns is nother Lbaour nutter -representsed Hamilton but lived in Dunbalne- rleied on bluster-saced as Secreatary fo Stat for Scotlkand in favour of Dewar and was an abject failure as Defence minister-talk and no action
The Fiscal / Crown office let Wendy and Unison members off when criminality law breaking is found yet charge Sheridan and others when a jury has found in their favour. That is the LAbour bias- it is undeniable. Elish should be dismissed along with beckettt Labours wolf in sheeps clothings whoes utterancnes against Mitchell, Megrahi and Nat Fraser are becoming ver more deperate despite his admissions of crown failings and his being sacked as Solicitor General for his Labour bias. Mulhololland we are watching you
Posted by: karin on 2:39am Sun 17 Feb 08
the sunday post link
http://www.dcthomson
.co.uk/MAGS/POST/new
s1.htm
p.s. i love paul hutcheon..... where is he?
the sunday post link
http://www.dcthomson
.co.uk/MAGS/POST/new
s1.htm
p.s. i love paul hutcheon..... where is he?
Posted by: robert, Glasgow on 2:58am Sun 17 Feb 08
wee wee wendy is not innocent,
It is not a smear campaign it is the fckin truth.
bent,bent bent.Labour sleaze is rife.
wee wee wendy is not innocent,
It is not a smear campaign it is the fckin truth.
bent,bent bent.Labour sleaze is rife.
Posted by: robert, Glasgow on 3:06am Sun 17 Feb 08
The Labour MSP, Lord Foulkes, said the line had been crossed from fair public scrutiny to a "concerted attempt" to undermine her integrity and reputation. WHAT FCUKIN REPUTATION ?= a joke figure? as for integrity she has none;
zebedee is on acid AND FULL OF THE BROON STUFF.
The Labour MSP, Lord Foulkes, said the line had been crossed from fair public scrutiny to a "concerted attempt" to undermine her integrity and reputation. WHAT FCUKIN REPUTATION ?= a joke figure? as for integrity she has none;
zebedee is on acid AND FULL OF THE BROON STUFF.
Posted by: Willie Macleod, Wick on 3:44am Sun 17 Feb 08
The Sunday Post I saw a minister struggling to get a copy from around his neck it had attached itself like a limpet. Will the minister survive only time will tell.
The Sunday Post I saw a minister struggling to get a copy from around his neck it had attached itself like a limpet. Will the minister survive only time will tell.
Posted by: tiocfaidh on 6:19am Sun 17 Feb 08
eh it's not just because she's a bit of a dafty but mainly because she obviously is, get over it !
eh it's not just because she's a bit of a dafty but mainly because she obviously is, get over it !
Posted by: Mike, Edinburgh on 7:08am Sun 17 Feb 08
Does the information below on providing information to the body who setup the Scottish Parliament as provided in its statement mean that as a Labour Front it charged money to the Government illegally.
Technical details
The Scottish Industry Forum is an independent business organisation set up in 1995 to facilitate dialogue between the business community and the government. It has no political affiliation and does not require members to have any particular political views.
The Scottish Industry Forum is a not-for-profit organisation funded by member subscriptions. It carries on a series of working groups for members including Business Opportunities Post-Devolution, Indigenous Development v Inward Investment, Training Post-Devolution, Scottish Parliament and Europe and Incentives for Investment.
It has also provided written evidence to the Low Pay Commission, the DTI Paper Competitiveness UK and a paper in response to a request from the Scottish Office on How Scotland Parliament Should Work.
Edward Cunningham CBE the Chair of the Scottish Industry Forum.
This Survey was carried out by MORI on behalf of the Scottish Industry Forum. The respondents were drawn from the top 400 companies from the Business Insider 500 and were chosen by MORI.
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Ipsos MORI Scotland
4 Wemyss Place
Edinburgh
EH3 6DH
e: scotland@ipsos-mori.
com
Maps of Ipsos MORI locations
No matter what this shower do they keep digging bigger holes in their lies to the Scottish People.
A very special congratulations to the Scottish Hero who keeps digging out all the London Inspired lies by Wendy and the rest of Labour. You will be remembered on Independance day as a patriotic Scot who fought for his peoples Freedom.
Does the information below on providing information to the body who setup the Scottish Parliament as provided in its statement mean that as a Labour Front it charged money to the Government illegally.
Technical details
The Scottish Industry Forum is an independent business organisation set up in 1995 to facilitate dialogue between the business community and the government. It has no political affiliation and does not require members to have any particular political views.
The Scottish Industry Forum is a not-for-profit organisation funded by member subscriptions. It carries on a series of working groups for members including Business Opportunities Post-Devolution, Indigenous Development v Inward Investment, Training Post-Devolution, Scottish Parliament and Europe and Incentives for Investment.
It has also provided written evidence to the Low Pay Commission, the DTI Paper Competitiveness UK and a paper in response to a request from the Scottish Office on How Scotland Parliament Should Work.
Edward Cunningham CBE the Chair of the Scottish Industry Forum.
This Survey was carried out by MORI on behalf of the Scottish Industry Forum. The respondents were drawn from the top 400 companies from the Business Insider 500 and were chosen by MORI.
Planning a research project?
Click for advice
Client Contacts
Edward Cunningham
Chair of the Scottish Industry Forum
t: 0131-313 2233
Ipsos MORI Scotland Contacts
t: 0131 220 5699 f: 0131 220 6449
Simon Braunholtz
Ipsos MORI Scotland
4 Wemyss Place
Edinburgh
EH3 6DH
e: scotland@ipsos-mori.
com
Maps of Ipsos MORI locations
No matter what this shower do they keep digging bigger holes in their lies to the Scottish People.
A very special congratulations to the Scottish Hero who keeps digging out all the London Inspired lies by Wendy and the rest of Labour. You will be remembered on Independance day as a patriotic Scot who fought for his peoples Freedom.
Posted by: Mike, Edinburgh on 7:12am Sun 17 Feb 08
By the way Lord George Robertson is a long time member of the Bilderberg Group. Check them out to find out this lieing basaturds attitude to democracy. Not in Scotland George, and if it does believe me you will be the first to go.
By the way Lord George Robertson is a long time member of the Bilderberg Group. Check them out to find out this lieing basaturds attitude to democracy. Not in Scotland George, and if it does believe me you will be the first to go.
Posted by: donald, glasgow on 7:52am Sun 17 Feb 08
One Noble Labour Lord is a CIA spy and the other the English Court Jester.
So Wendy was innocent and the Labour Commission was only foreced into a pretendy hearing based on wioked (SNP) smears? Sure and Labour and their House of Lards are "socalist" too.
One Noble Labour Lord is a CIA spy and the other the English Court Jester.
So Wendy was innocent and the Labour Commission was only foreced into a pretendy hearing based on wioked (SNP) smears? Sure and Labour and their House of Lards are "socalist" too.
Posted by: donald, glasgow on 7:58am Sun 17 Feb 08
[quote]Senior Labour figures claim ‘line was crossed’ in criticism of Wendy Alexander[/quote] onlao
(Not by their electoral commission, that's for sure)
Of the two Noble Labour Lords, one is a CIA spy and the other an English Court Jester.
Senior Labour figures claim ‘line was crossed’ in criticism of Wendy Alexander
onlao
(Not by their electoral commission, that's for sure)
Of the two Noble Labour Lords, one is a CIA spy and the other an English Court Jester.
Posted by: Astonished, Inverclyde on 8:13am Sun 17 Feb 08
This is not, nor ever was a witchunt.
Lord Foulkes and Lord Robertson have no integrity and I don't think we should worry about them clutching at straws.
Ms Alexander broke the law and admitted breaking the law. She remains unpunished partly because of the repeated failure of the media in Scotland and partly because the electoral commission is a sleazy dishonest Labour political organisation (a bit like the Scottish Industry Forum).
This is not, nor ever was a witchunt.
Lord Foulkes and Lord Robertson have no integrity and I don't think we should worry about them clutching at straws.
Ms Alexander broke the law and admitted breaking the law. She remains unpunished partly because of the repeated failure of the media in Scotland and partly because the electoral commission is a sleazy dishonest Labour political organisation (a bit like the Scottish Industry Forum).
Posted by: Paul, Paisley on 8:28am Sun 17 Feb 08
Has Wendy been interrogated by a Parliamentary Committee? Has she been hounded by the press at her front door? Has she been systematically destroyed by mendacious employers? Has she went for a woodland walk with a penknife and pills? Don't start me Foulkes trying to portray her as a victim of smears when your own party unashamedly drove a man to his grave.
Has Wendy been interrogated by a Parliamentary Committee? Has she been hounded by the press at her front door? Has she been systematically destroyed by mendacious employers? Has she went for a woodland walk with a penknife and pills? Don't start me Foulkes trying to portray her as a victim of smears when your own party unashamedly drove a man to his grave.
Posted by: An t-Amadan, Alba on 8:57am Sun 17 Feb 08
The SIF claim to be independent and non-party, Foulkes says they are not. They can't have it both ways, one must be wrong.
Either the Ignoble Lord Foulkes is lying through his teeth or the SIF are. Since he claims the SIF are part of the party, either way Labour are lying.
The SIF claim to be independent and non-party, Foulkes says they are not. They can't have it both ways, one must be wrong.
Either the Ignoble Lord Foulkes is lying through his teeth or the SIF are. Since he claims the SIF are part of the party, either way Labour are lying.
Posted by: Margaret, Edinburgh on 9:01am Sun 17 Feb 08
Methinks the drunken sot doth protest too much. Talking of smears, what about the offensive smears put about by the NuLiebour Party during the Scottish Parliamentary wlwction campaign - e.g. vote SNP and it will cost every family an extra £5,000 a year in tax. What about saying something about the £120 BN of taxpayers' money wasted by NuLiebour to bail out the lame-duck Northern Rock?
And how offensive to criticise the press for reporting the lawbreaking activity of the NuLiebour's leader in the Scottish parliament, how is it a 'smear' to report the truth?
And hasn't Zebedee been convicted of a criminal offence, come to think of it?
Methinks the drunken sot doth protest too much. Talking of smears, what about the offensive smears put about by the NuLiebour Party during the Scottish Parliamentary wlwction campaign - e.g. vote SNP and it will cost every family an extra £5,000 a year in tax. What about saying something about the £120 BN of taxpayers' money wasted by NuLiebour to bail out the lame-duck Northern Rock?
And how offensive to criticise the press for reporting the lawbreaking activity of the NuLiebour's leader in the Scottish parliament, how is it a 'smear' to report the truth?
And hasn't Zebedee been convicted of a criminal offence, come to think of it?
Posted by: Proud ti be Scottish, Sipping Chateu Nueve du Papps, Sarlat, The Dordogne, France on 9:09am Sun 17 Feb 08
Lord Foulkes has one of the wisest heads in Scottish politics, probablt the wisest.
When he talks he usually gains bi-partisan support and understanding. He has been around teh block a few times so knows when something has a bit of a whiff.
Perhaps some of the nationalists need to sit up and take notice of what he is saying?
Where is the new politics promised by the SNP?
Why are the media engaging in an SNP inspired witch hunt?
What has happened to standards in public life.
These questions are best answered (or avoided) by SNP supporters
Lord Foulkes has one of the wisest heads in Scottish politics, probablt the wisest.
When he talks he usually gains bi-partisan support and understanding. He has been around teh block a few times so knows when something has a bit of a whiff.
Perhaps some of the nationalists need to sit up and take notice of what he is saying?
Where is the new politics promised by the SNP?
Why are the media engaging in an SNP inspired witch hunt?
What has happened to standards in public life.
These questions are best answered (or avoided) by SNP supporters
Posted by: Disgusted Dorothy, Glasgow on 9:11am Sun 17 Feb 08
So, these 'senior' members of the Labour party, the two Georges, don't agree on the function of the SIF?
Since we can all Google , they are on a hiding to nothing.
As for smears, since when is telling the truth a 'smear'?
I'm with Karin!
Where is Paul Hutcheon??
So, these 'senior' members of the Labour party, the two Georges, don't agree on the function of the SIF?
Since we can all Google , they are on a hiding to nothing.
As for smears, since when is telling the truth a 'smear'?
I'm with Karin!
Where is Paul Hutcheon??
Posted by: Lord Big Pretend, Glasgow on 9:11am Sun 17 Feb 08
Personal abuse? Smear campaign?
Aye right! He does not want people asking awkward questions more like - legitimate questions.
Surely, it IS legitimate to ask where our politicians came from - how they got into senior positions?
Did they get their via ability? Or through cronyisms and nepotism (as per through who your family is connected to to and so on).
These questions are legitimate.
As for Robertson and Foulkes, they are public serfs, who are paid public money. They are no more than that and must grasp that. If they don't get that then they deserve what THEY get. End of story and some silly/idiotic title does not change that.
As for Donald's poodle she broke the law. End of story. Does it not mater? Well, it will not matter for people on the streets either who will stick their finger up at law makers who are also law breakers. yes, they will break the law as well.
A final point, Robertson seems to forget about the idea of free speech. But not to worry George eh - WE WON'T FORGET ABOUT IT.
Personal abuse? Smear campaign?
Aye right! He does not want people asking awkward questions more like - legitimate questions.
Surely, it IS legitimate to ask where our politicians came from - how they got into senior positions?
Did they get their via ability? Or through cronyisms and nepotism (as per through who your family is connected to to and so on).
These questions are legitimate.
As for Robertson and Foulkes, they are public serfs, who are paid public money. They are no more than that and must grasp that. If they don't get that then they deserve what THEY get. End of story and some silly/idiotic title does not change that.
As for Donald's poodle she broke the law. End of story. Does it not mater? Well, it will not matter for people on the streets either who will stick their finger up at law makers who are also law breakers. yes, they will break the law as well.
A final point, Robertson seems to forget about the idea of free speech. But not to worry George eh - WE WON'T FORGET ABOUT IT.
Posted by: Disgusted Dorothy, Glasgow on 9:27am Sun 17 Feb 08
Methinks the chappie in the Dordogne has been imbibing too much.
Are you drunk or just daft?
Methinks the chappie in the Dordogne has been imbibing too much.
Are you drunk or just daft?
Posted by: Politically-Incorrec
t Man, Glasgow on 9:30am Sun 17 Feb 08
Robertson is a Bilderberg puppet and is not worthy of contempt. If I ever shook hands with him I'd count my fingers afterwards.
Foulkes is regarded as a joke even by his colleagues.
"Big guns"??????????????
Robertson is a Bilderberg puppet and is not worthy of contempt. If I ever shook hands with him I'd count my fingers afterwards.
Foulkes is regarded as a joke even by his colleagues.
"Big guns"??????????????
Posted by: Politically-Incorrec
t Man, Glasgow on 9:39am Sun 17 Feb 08
Quote from The Post
[quote]Last week, Ms Alexander submitted a motion praising the shopping centre, which is in her constituency.
The motion “congratulates Braehead Shopping Centre for the quality of its facilities and notes that it is now one of the most popular shopping and leisure destinations in Scotland”.
It goes on to praise Braehead for “its community-led activities and support for local organisations and charities, and looks forward to Braehead continuing to make a major contribution to the Renfrewshire and Scottish economies”.[/quote]
Leaving asisde the possible conflict of interests that "Puddles" may have in this issue,is Parliamentary time so unimportant that MSP's have can devote their attention to trivia such as this motion?
Quote from The Post
Last week, Ms Alexander submitted a motion praising the shopping centre, which is in her constituency.
The motion “congratulates Braehead Shopping Centre for the quality of its facilities and notes that it is now one of the most popular shopping and leisure destinations in Scotland”.
It goes on to praise Braehead for “its community-led activities and support for local organisations and charities, and looks forward to Braehead continuing to make a major contribution to the Renfrewshire and Scottish economies”.
Leaving asisde the possible conflict of interests that "Puddles" may have in this issue,is Parliamentary time so unimportant that MSP's have can devote their attention to trivia such as this motion?
Posted by: An t-Amadan, Alba on 9:39am Sun 17 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Disgusted Dorothy[/bold] wrote:
<i> Methinks the chappie in the Dordogne has been imbibing too much.
Are you drunk or just daft?
</i>[/quote] You mean the one who cannot spell Châteauneuf du Pape, even with the bottle in from of him, while muttering "I can't remember if a have Frontal lobotomy or a bottle in front of me"?
Disgusted Dorothy wrote:
<i> Methinks the chappie in the Dordogne has been imbibing too much.
Are you drunk or just daft?
</i>
You mean the one who cannot spell Châteauneuf du Pape, even with the bottle in from of him, while muttering "I can't remember if a have Frontal lobotomy or a bottle in front of me"?
Posted by: spagan, Heisker on 9:48am Sun 17 Feb 08
[quote][italic][bold]I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members.
Groucho Marx[/bold][/italic] [/quote]
Most excellent news!!
If Labour think an endorsement from these 2 old pariahs will encourage folk to join their club? (Doh!)
I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members.
Groucho Marx
Most excellent news!!
If Labour think an endorsement from these 2 old pariahs will encourage folk to join their club? (Doh!)
Posted by: subrosa on 9:49am Sun 17 Feb 08
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 12:10am today
passing a motion on the Braehead Shopping Centre.
Sorry megz, I realised it read ambiguously once it was posted. My excuse is tiredness :)
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 12:10am today
passing a motion on the Braehead Shopping Centre.
Sorry megz, I realised it read ambiguously once it was posted. My excuse is tiredness :)
Posted by: Disgusted Dorothy, Glasgow on 9:50am Sun 17 Feb 08
An t-Amadan , yes thats the chap!
Can't bear to use his moniker!
An t-Amadan , yes thats the chap!
Can't bear to use his moniker!
Posted by: Franco-Jock, Anywhere but Sarlat !! on 9:51am Sun 17 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Proud ti be Scottish[/bold] wrote:
Lord Foulkes has one of the wisest heads in Scottish politics, probablt the wisest. When he talks he usually gains bi-partisan support and understanding. He has been around teh block a few times so knows when something has a bit of a whiff. Perhaps some of the nationalists need to sit up and take notice of what he is saying? Where is the new politics promised by the SNP? Why are the media engaging in an SNP inspired witch hunt? What has happened to standards in public life. These questions are best answered (or avoided) by SNP supporters[/quote] Ptbs
In Sarlat?.....The Blackpool of France.
Full of old english retirees who hark back fondly to byegone days, the Raj,and the Empire..while quaffing Tetleys Red Barrel,(too much makes you think kindly of drunken Foulkes) claiming to love France ...but HATE the French. No wonder locals despise them all.
Sounds like just the place for you Quislings though Sir !!
Proud ti be Scottish wrote:
Lord Foulkes has one of the wisest heads in Scottish politics, probablt the wisest. When he talks he usually gains bi-partisan support and understanding. He has been around teh block a few times so knows when something has a bit of a whiff. Perhaps some of the nationalists need to sit up and take notice of what he is saying? Where is the new politics promised by the SNP? Why are the media engaging in an SNP inspired witch hunt? What has happened to standards in public life. These questions are best answered (or avoided) by SNP supporters
Ptbs
In Sarlat?.....The Blackpool of France.
Full of old english retirees who hark back fondly to byegone days, the Raj,and the Empire..while quaffing Tetleys Red Barrel,(too much makes you think kindly of drunken Foulkes) claiming to love France ...but HATE the French. No wonder locals despise them all.
Sounds like just the place for you Quislings though Sir !!
Posted by: wullie, govan on 9:53am Sun 17 Feb 08
Just a thought, where did the money go after wendys campaign to become leader of scottish labour at holyrood, it was a "no contest" it would appear she did not have to spend any monies!!!! so did she return the dosh or what
Just a thought, where did the money go after wendys campaign to become leader of scottish labour at holyrood, it was a "no contest" it would appear she did not have to spend any monies!!!! so did she return the dosh or what
Posted by: ptw, at the kitchen table... on 9:58am Sun 17 Feb 08
All Foulkes and Robertson have done is to keep Ms. Alexander's troubles in the public eye. Perception is everything mi'Lords; Labour are on a ever downward trajectory...
All Foulkes and Robertson have done is to keep Ms. Alexander's troubles in the public eye. Perception is everything mi'Lords; Labour are on a ever downward trajectory...
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 10:07am Sun 17 Feb 08
[quote][bold]subrosa[/bold] wrote:
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 12:10am today passing a motion on the Braehead Shopping Centre. Sorry megz, I realised it read ambiguously once it was posted. My excuse is tiredness :) [/quote] lol thats ok, will be watching where i step up at braehead though just incase.
subrosa wrote:
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 12:10am today passing a motion on the Braehead Shopping Centre. Sorry megz, I realised it read ambiguously once it was posted. My excuse is tiredness :)
lol thats ok, will be watching where i step up at braehead though just incase.
Posted by: John J, Edinburgh on 10:13am Sun 17 Feb 08
Quote "Why are the media engaging in an SNP inspired witch hunt?"
If you really want to see a witch hunt I recommend that you watch the Holyrood Local Authority and Planning Committee investigation into the Trump application on the internet or Parliament TV channel.
The main ingredients have been ignorance and MSPs reading prepared questions. It is tragic that our representatives are often unable to string a coherent sentence together. Some questions have provided light relief from the awful proceedings, when witnesses have asked the MSP if they could expand some part of their question and have discovered that the MSP really has not got a clue.
Quote "Why are the media engaging in an SNP inspired witch hunt?"
If you really want to see a witch hunt I recommend that you watch the Holyrood Local Authority and Planning Committee investigation into the Trump application on the internet or Parliament TV channel.
The main ingredients have been ignorance and MSPs reading prepared questions. It is tragic that our representatives are often unable to string a coherent sentence together. Some questions have provided light relief from the awful proceedings, when witnesses have asked the MSP if they could expand some part of their question and have discovered that the MSP really has not got a clue.
Posted by: Edward, Edinburgh on 10:21am Sun 17 Feb 08
'Robertson, a former UK defence secretary, claimed the organisation (Scottish Industry Forum) was "explicitly and unashamedly" set up by the party and "did not pretend to be anything else".
Really? thats surprising as that fact is well hidden, so much so that it doesnt show up with any website and is run by an Edinburgh based consultants Business Options. How do I know that? Easy the phone number shown on a Mori poll for Scottish Industry Forum is the same one as for Business Options Ltd and of course the 'chairman' Sir Edward Cunningham CBE of SIF is also the sole director of Business Options. So if SIF is a front, I wonder if Business Options is as well?
'Robertson, a former UK defence secretary, claimed the organisation (Scottish Industry Forum) was "explicitly and unashamedly" set up by the party and "did not pretend to be anything else".
Really? thats surprising as that fact is well hidden, so much so that it doesnt show up with any website and is run by an Edinburgh based consultants Business Options. How do I know that? Easy the phone number shown on a Mori poll for Scottish Industry Forum is the same one as for Business Options Ltd and of course the 'chairman' Sir Edward Cunningham CBE of SIF is also the sole director of Business Options. So if SIF is a front, I wonder if Business Options is as well?
Posted by: An t-Amadan, Alba on 10:30am Sun 17 Feb 08
[quote][bold]ptw[/bold] wrote:
<i> All Foulkes and Robertson have done is to keep Ms. Alexander's troubles in the public eye. Perception is everything mi'Lords; Labour are on a ever downward trajectory...</i>[/quote] And that of course could be part of the plot. We know the scheming and backstabbing against her originates within the Labour party anyway. Have Judas and Brutus been unmasked?
ptw wrote:
<i> All Foulkes and Robertson have done is to keep Ms. Alexander's troubles in the public eye. Perception is everything mi'Lords; Labour are on a ever downward trajectory...</i>
And that of course could be part of the plot. We know the scheming and backstabbing against her originates within the Labour party anyway. Have Judas and Brutus been unmasked?
Posted by: Ronald, Glasgow on 10:31am Sun 17 Feb 08
"ONE OF THE WISEST HEADS IN SCOTTISH POLITICS!"
Hhahhahhahhahahhahah
hahahhahhahahhahhahh
ahahha
Oh dear me - Think I have just cracked a rib-or three!!
Might this be same BARON VON DER FOULKES UND COMNOCK who attacked an elderly woman, then a policeman in uniform, is a NEW LABOUR Friend of Israel, tireless suporter of weapons of mass destruction, Health Service privitisation
advocate, defender of CIA torture flights, and
ilegal war enthusiast!
So, PTBS, is this the "wisedom" you refer to?
"ONE OF THE WISEST HEADS IN SCOTTISH POLITICS!"
Hhahhahhahhahahhahah
hahahhahhahahhahhahh
ahahha
Oh dear me - Think I have just cracked a rib-or three!!
Might this be same BARON VON DER FOULKES UND COMNOCK who attacked an elderly woman, then a policeman in uniform, is a NEW LABOUR Friend of Israel, tireless suporter of weapons of mass destruction, Health Service privitisation
advocate, defender of CIA torture flights, and
ilegal war enthusiast!
So, PTBS, is this the "wisedom" you refer to?
Posted by: Disgusted Dorothy, Glasgow on 10:31am Sun 17 Feb 08
Franco Jock , heavens!Surely there are'nt people in France who are anti English!?
You must inform the lovely moderater of the Church of Scotland at once!
She has to broadcast that information to the media for I am sure they are unaware of this totally unacceptable behaviour on the part of the French!
Franco Jock , heavens!Surely there are'nt people in France who are anti English!?
You must inform the lovely moderater of the Church of Scotland at once!
She has to broadcast that information to the media for I am sure they are unaware of this totally unacceptable behaviour on the part of the French!
Posted by: Disgusted Dorothy, Glasgow on 10:35am Sun 17 Feb 08
Spelling correction , before someone else tells me, MODERATOR
Spelling correction , before someone else tells me, MODERATOR
Posted by: MaleusScotNatorum on 10:43am Sun 17 Feb 08
[bold]The Labour MSP, Lord Foulkes, said the line had been crossed from fair public scrutiny to a "concerted attempt" to undermine her integrity and reputation. He said that continued attacks on Alexander devalued the whole of the Scottish political process and undermined the "new politics" which had been hoped for after devolution.[/bold]
Well said Lord Foulkes- himself a victim of disgraceful smears and vilification.
The Labour MSP, Lord Foulkes, said the line had been crossed from fair public scrutiny to a "concerted attempt" to undermine her integrity and reputation. He said that continued attacks on Alexander devalued the whole of the Scottish political process and undermined the "new politics" which had been hoped for after devolution.
Well said Lord Foulkes- himself a victim of disgraceful smears and vilification.
Posted by: MaleusScotNatorum on 10:43am Sun 17 Feb 08
[bold]The Labour MSP, Lord Foulkes, said the line had been crossed from fair public scrutiny to a "concerted attempt" to undermine her integrity and reputation. He said that continued attacks on Alexander devalued the whole of the Scottish political process and undermined the "new politics" which had been hoped for after devolution.[/bold]
Well said Lord Foulkes- himself a victim of disgraceful smears and vilification.
The Labour MSP, Lord Foulkes, said the line had been crossed from fair public scrutiny to a "concerted attempt" to undermine her integrity and reputation. He said that continued attacks on Alexander devalued the whole of the Scottish political process and undermined the "new politics" which had been hoped for after devolution.
Well said Lord Foulkes- himself a victim of disgraceful smears and vilification.
Posted by: Kinghob on 11:00am Sun 17 Feb 08
Foulkes isn't even a good enough politician to be described as 'yesterday's man' let alone represent the Scottish interest or help us all to carve out a future.
I just laugh when i read his rent a quote red nose wearing floppy slipper donning buffoonery and he won't have a job when there is another election.
Foulkes isn't even a good enough politician to be described as 'yesterday's man' let alone represent the Scottish interest or help us all to carve out a future.
I just laugh when i read his rent a quote red nose wearing floppy slipper donning buffoonery and he won't have a job when there is another election.
Posted by: Dougthedug on 11:07am Sun 17 Feb 08
[/italic]
[quote]SENIOR LABOUR figures have claimed the party's Scottish leader, Wendy Alexander, is being subjected to a continued "smear campaign".[/quote]
I think Baron von Foulkes should do his utmost, (or "outmost" in Gordon Brown speak), to find out who these vile traitors in the Labour Party are and give them a good drunken thrashing like he did to that policeman in July 1993 in London.
SENIOR LABOUR figures have claimed the party's Scottish leader, Wendy Alexander, is being subjected to a continued "smear campaign".
I think Baron von Foulkes should do his utmost, (or "outmost" in Gordon Brown speak), to find out who these vile traitors in the Labour Party are and give them a good drunken thrashing like he did to that policeman in July 1993 in London.
Posted by: Aurora, Glasgow on 11:08am Sun 17 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Observer[/bold] wrote:
This is not a campaign of personal abuse. Wendy Alexander is not the victim here. Faith in the fairness of political regulation is the victim as no one now has any confidence in the electoral commisssion whatsoever. [/quote] Of course she is a victim and disgracefully so at that.
When the paltry £950 given her by the Jersey bloke is set against the hundreds of thousands being poured into Tory coffers by an offshore millionaire aimed at Labour and Liberal marginals and of course the cine dosh donated to the Nats by an aging actor who rarely visits his native country (of which he is allegedly "the greatest living...), Wendy's "offence" is miniscule and her subsequent treatment a disgrace at the door of the Scottish media and her political opponents.
Observer wrote:
This is not a campaign of personal abuse. Wendy Alexander is not the victim here. Faith in the fairness of political regulation is the victim as no one now has any confidence in the electoral commisssion whatsoever.
Of course she is a victim and disgracefully so at that.
When the paltry £950 given her by the Jersey bloke is set against the hundreds of thousands being poured into Tory coffers by an offshore millionaire aimed at Labour and Liberal marginals and of course the cine dosh donated to the Nats by an aging actor who rarely visits his native country (of which he is allegedly "the greatest living...), Wendy's "offence" is miniscule and her subsequent treatment a disgrace at the door of the Scottish media and her political opponents.
Posted by: WendyWatch on 11:37am Sun 17 Feb 08
I blame the Paisley wifie who said Wendy broke the law - what was her name again? It began with a "W".
I blame the Paisley wifie who said Wendy broke the law - what was her name again? It began with a "W".
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