Cloud-making plan to reverse global warming Edinburgh University professor advocates revolutionary response to crisis
Jasper Hamill EVERY CLOUD could have a silver lining in the fight against global warming and the brighter, the better.
Professor Stephen Salter, a renowned engineer working at Edinburgh University, has hatched a plan to produce white clouds over the ocean to halt the catastrophic water heating associated with global warming.
In the worst-case scenario, where global "tipping points" such as the melting of the Arctic ice cap are reached, he claimed launching a fleet of cloud-producing drone ships could save Earth.
Salter, who is famed for inventing the "duck", a device that generates power by bobbing on waves, said: "We've got an explosive with the detonator in it, and when one goes off, it could trigger other explosives. That's why we need to have a number of solutions. I don't mean that we should continue burning coal and then just fix the consequences, that would be terrible. Just as a revolver has many bullets, we need several ideas."
The brightness of a cloud, called its albedo, is directly related to how much heat it reflects, with white clouds more reflective than dark ones.
Currently, the ice caps reflect much of the sun's heat but if they melt, the dark ocean will absorb its energy and warm up, causing weather patterns to change. Salter's idea, which he formed in collaboration with John Latham, of the National Centre for Atmospheric Research in Colorado, is to build boats to sail the ocean and produce a spray of tiny water droplets around which white clouds can form. He suggested that around 400 of these wind-powered boats would be needed, at a cost of
£100 million. However, the difficult part would be producing droplets small enough for clouds to form, a technique Salter has yet to master. His struggle has been a lonely one so far, and he holds little faith in government.
Salter said: "In the UK, there is one old aged pensioner, me, and one PhD student in Leeds working on cloud control, and that is it. Then there are politicians travelling the world, holding meetings to say how awful it is and the only outcome is that they organise another meeting to say the same."
Geo-engineering, a blue-sky discipline that aims to provide solutions to prevent or limit the damage caused by climate change, is unpopular in Britain, because the government prefers to stick to a policy of cutting emissions. The UK has been wary of attempts to control the weather ever since a disastrous 1952 experiment in Lynmouth, Somerset, when the RAF tested a rain-making technique that flooded the area, killing 35 people
The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs has never bankrolled geo-engineering. Thus, the sole source of funding for Salter has been from a TV channel, which built a prototype of his boat producing an artificial cloud.
A Defra spokeswoman said: "It is recognised that some large-scale geo-engineering schemes may have potential for reducing climate change. However, many of them are potentially high risk and there are significant concerns about their environmental side effects, as well as their technical feasibility, effectiveness and cost. So there is a need to consider the feasibility of geo-engineering options in more detail and Defra is looking into this."
Professor Anne Glover, chief scientific adviser for Scotland, welcomed Salter's plans and said the Scottish government would always fund "radical" thinking if the rationale was sound.
She said: "It's innovative science that is potentially very exciting. You can never stop scientists being inventive. Let's consider all options."
Environmental campaigners called for further cuts in levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, but welcomed any fresh ideas. Duncan McLaren, chief executive of Friends of the Earth Scotland, said: "Stephen Salter's ideas should be explored alongside measures to drastically cut our emissions."
Professor Salter is speaking at 2pm, on Wednesday, at Craighouse Campus of Napier University
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Posted by: melt, usa on 10:35pm Sat 8 Mar 08
Here's a better idea. Why doesn't he take his cloud-making machine & produce some rain for the Sahara desert?
This is from Scrappleface, right?
Here's a better idea. Why doesn't he take his cloud-making machine & produce some rain for the Sahara desert?
This is from Scrappleface, right?
Posted by: I'm no really here on 10:48pm Sat 8 Mar 08
Just what Scotland needs - more clouds
Just what Scotland needs - more clouds
Posted by: Dr Coles on 11:05pm Sat 8 Mar 08
Over 400 World Wide Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007. See http://tinyurl.com/2
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Over 400 World Wide Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007. See http://tinyurl.com/2
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Posted by: huh, canasa on 1:46am Sun 9 Mar 08
or we could stop burning fossil fuels! now theres an idea
or we could stop burning fossil fuels! now theres an idea
Posted by: Rich, CA on 2:32am Sun 9 Mar 08
Man made global warming is here people. Look at the facts and listen.
Man made global warming is here people. Look at the facts and listen.
Posted by: John Arena, Australia on 2:45am Sun 9 Mar 08
The Earth is just a giant goldfish bowl (i.e. closed system) and I think we all know what happens when you put too many fish in the bowl...think about it.
The Earth is just a giant goldfish bowl (i.e. closed system) and I think we all know what happens when you put too many fish in the bowl...think about it.
Posted by: Lance, Can. on 3:14am Sun 9 Mar 08
The earth is a "OPEN" system, that's why there really is no global warming, just more or less radiation from the sun. That sun heats the oceans(or land) and then raises as water vapor and a small amount being of co2 makes clouds going up into the atmosphere. And that's why computer climate models don't work. They think the earth is locked in a box , but in reality the heat and gases go out into the atmosphere and are gone . Go read up on that, you'll find it’s true.
This story is more then comical and shows the sad state science is in.
The earth is a "OPEN" system, that's why there really is no global warming, just more or less radiation from the sun. That sun heats the oceans(or land) and then raises as water vapor and a small amount being of co2 makes clouds going up into the atmosphere. And that's why computer climate models don't work. They think the earth is locked in a box , but in reality the heat and gases go out into the atmosphere and are gone . Go read up on that, you'll find it’s true.
This story is more then comical and shows the sad state science is in.
Posted by: Hope Jutchenko, New York, U.S.A. on 5:13am Sun 9 Mar 08
Heck why not try this? He is a smart bloke with a good idea.
Heck why not try this? He is a smart bloke with a good idea.
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 6:41am Sun 9 Mar 08
Every silver lining has a McLoud.
Every silver lining has a McLoud.
Posted by: Leata, Sydney on 7:18am Sun 9 Mar 08
HEY WELL EVERYONE SHOULD HELP STOP GLOBAL WARMING!!!
HEY WELL EVERYONE SHOULD HELP STOP GLOBAL WARMING!!!
Posted by: brodie, denver on 7:44am Sun 9 Mar 08
all clouds are white on top (even man-made ones). Albedo is the amount of suns energy that is reflected back to space, so thicker clouds (darker bottoms) will have a higher albedo than thinner clouds. With that said, wouldn't you want thicker darker clouds? Either this scientist has been misquoted, or he is knows nothing about the atmosphere.
all clouds are white on top (even man-made ones). Albedo is the amount of suns energy that is reflected back to space, so thicker clouds (darker bottoms) will have a higher albedo than thinner clouds. With that said, wouldn't you want thicker darker clouds? Either this scientist has been misquoted, or he is knows nothing about the atmosphere.
Posted by: care bear, atlanta,georgia on 8:27am Sun 9 Mar 08
PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!! LETS ALL PITCH IN TO STOP THIS.
PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!! LETS ALL PITCH IN TO STOP THIS.
Posted by: Timothy Puddick, England on 11:03am Sun 9 Mar 08
As a member of the Association of Registered Gas Installers (Gt Britain), who’s members are trying to do their bit towards reducing CO2 out put from Gas fired Central Heating appliances by recommending and installing up to date, improved efficiency gas boilers with the associated reduction in gas consumed, I recognise that this chap’s system, if developed successfully, could make a major contribution to combat Global Warming.
Why is it that those who often do nothing, criticise those who are trying through there own endeavours to make a real difference?
Tim
As a member of the Association of Registered Gas Installers (Gt Britain), who’s members are trying to do their bit towards reducing CO2 out put from Gas fired Central Heating appliances by recommending and installing up to date, improved efficiency gas boilers with the associated reduction in gas consumed, I recognise that this chap’s system, if developed successfully, could make a major contribution to combat Global Warming.
Why is it that those who often do nothing, criticise those who are trying through there own endeavours to make a real difference?
Tim
Posted by: Dave, England on 11:12am Sun 9 Mar 08
Personally I do not agree or beleive all the over hyped publicity around man-made global warming.
Politicians just appear to be using this as a way to open a back door for extra indirect taxation. I have yet to see one 'green' tax income being put back into the 'pot' to be used in subsidies/grants towards CO2 reduction in general.
Personally I do not agree or beleive all the over hyped publicity around man-made global warming.
Politicians just appear to be using this as a way to open a back door for extra indirect taxation. I have yet to see one 'green' tax income being put back into the 'pot' to be used in subsidies/grants towards CO2 reduction in general.
Posted by: Chris, England on 11:26am Sun 9 Mar 08
Global warming is a natural occurance, the world is getting back to its normal temperature from the ice age, we will then revert back down again to sub zero temperatures, normal world cycle, in my opinion it is just a way of world Governments relying on the gullible so that they can raise taxes in the name of "Green Taxes" when will we learn
Global warming is a natural occurance, the world is getting back to its normal temperature from the ice age, we will then revert back down again to sub zero temperatures, normal world cycle, in my opinion it is just a way of world Governments relying on the gullible so that they can raise taxes in the name of "Green Taxes" when will we learn
Posted by: Jim Prettyman on 11:37am Sun 9 Mar 08
All are welcome to Professor Salter's Presentation - this Prestige talk being part of the National Science & Engineering Week's programme of events.
2.00p.m. Castle Room, New Craig, Craighouse Campus , Napier University . Free Entry.
Further details from Frank McCall or just turn up .
http//www.theiet.org
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All are welcome to Professor Salter's Presentation - this Prestige talk being part of the National Science & Engineering Week's programme of events.
2.00p.m. Castle Room, New Craig, Craighouse Campus , Napier University . Free Entry.
Further details from Frank McCall or just turn up .
http//www.theiet.org
/local/uk/scotland/s
outheast/contacts.cf
m
Posted by: andrew mackay on 2:37pm Sun 9 Mar 08
This is a pretty good idea in my opinion. As usual, Prof. Salter has over-engineered his 'craft'.
I have already thought of a simpler and much cheaper version. My design solves his water droplet problem too.
This is a pretty good idea in my opinion. As usual, Prof. Salter has over-engineered his 'craft'.
I have already thought of a simpler and much cheaper version. My design solves his water droplet problem too.
Posted by: Tara, candyland on 4:39pm Sun 9 Mar 08
I belive that we should persue any attempt to help inprove our environmet and prevent global warming effects.
I belive that we should persue any attempt to help inprove our environmet and prevent global warming effects.
Posted by: Brian, Indiana on 3:15am Mon 10 Mar 08
Trying to engineer our way out of the effects of global warming is highly unlikely. It's our over-engineered world that's causing the problem in the first place.
Trying to engineer our way out of the effects of global warming is highly unlikely. It's our over-engineered world that's causing the problem in the first place.
Posted by: Colin Forrest on 10:44am Mon 10 Mar 08
I am also a scientist studying geo-engineering solutions. Could Andrew MacKay please contact me at cdforrest@tiscali.co
.uk or 01382 509844 ? I would be interested in details of this spray making mechanism ? Thanks, Colin
I am also a scientist studying geo-engineering solutions. Could Andrew MacKay please contact me at cdforrest@tiscali.co
.uk or 01382 509844 ? I would be interested in details of this spray making mechanism ? Thanks, Colin
Posted by: Boxorox, Annapolis on 10:57pm Mon 10 Mar 08
First of all, the earth is not a closed system. The greenhouse effect, in whatever way it operates, is dependent upon the irradiance of the sun--external to earth--to be effective and to generate a climate on this planet. The re-radiation of heat away from earth, which regulates the amount of heat cycling through the open system, makes it clear that the planet is not a closed system. It is the balance between the absorption and outflow of excess heat that maintains the general balance of our climate--humans are not a key ingredient of it.
First of all, the earth is not a closed system. The greenhouse effect, in whatever way it operates, is dependent upon the irradiance of the sun--external to earth--to be effective and to generate a climate on this planet. The re-radiation of heat away from earth, which regulates the amount of heat cycling through the open system, makes it clear that the planet is not a closed system. It is the balance between the absorption and outflow of excess heat that maintains the general balance of our climate--humans are not a key ingredient of it.