SNP claims growing lead By James Hamilton SNP LEADERS today claimed the results of recent by-elections gave them a "substantial" lead over Labour.
The party claimed that on the basis of council poll results since it came to power last May, they would win 51 seats if there was a Holyrood election, while Labour would have 36, the Liberal Democrats 21, Conservatives 16, Greens four and there would be one other.
The SNP currently has 47 MSPs, one more than Labour. The Tories have 17 MSPs, the LibDems 16 and the Greens two. There is one independent MSP.
SNP business convener Angus Robertson hailed the results of the study, which looked at a total of 21,266 votes cast in eight by-elections.
Robertson, the party's Westminster leader, said: "This analysis is fantastic news for the SNP. Real voters are rejecting Wendy Alexander and the Labour Party's continually negative message."
A poll last week put First Minister Alex Salmond massively ahead of Alexander in approval ratings at 53% against 22%.
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Posted by: Guru Gordon, US on 11:36pm Sat 22 Mar 08
Approval ratings were not 53% to 22% - they were 53% positive to 22% negative - a massive gap of 75%. Get used to it hen. It can only get worse for you from here on in!
Approval ratings were not 53% to 22% - they were 53% positive to 22% negative - a massive gap of 75%. Get used to it hen. It can only get worse for you from here on in!
Posted by: William Wallace, Culloden on 11:56pm Sat 22 Mar 08
Well done Alex Salmond . Dont get too big headed you only beat Wendy and she was the best that the wee wummins party could put up .Give it five years and we will have our freedom .
Well done Alex Salmond . Dont get too big headed you only beat Wendy and she was the best that the wee wummins party could put up .Give it five years and we will have our freedom .
Posted by: JC on 11:59pm Sat 22 Mar 08
And this weeks pro nat story is....
a nat speculating about a hypothetical election.
The sound you just heard was the barrel being scraped.
I'm just getting bored with them now. The broken manifesto pledges, the inverted priorities -what's best for trump rather then the scottish people, the posturing of salmond, the student politics, letters to Burma, hobnobbing with Ian Paisley. It's time for them to go.
And this weeks pro nat story is....
a nat speculating about a hypothetical election.
The sound you just heard was the barrel being scraped.
I'm just getting bored with them now. The broken manifesto pledges, the inverted priorities -what's best for trump rather then the scottish people, the posturing of salmond, the student politics, letters to Burma, hobnobbing with Ian Paisley. It's time for them to go.
Posted by: Strathturret, montrose on 12:04am Sun 23 Mar 08
Well JC we haven't started any wars. We are not buying any obscenely expensive WMD.
As to broken pledges, I'm counting frozen Council Tax, proposal put forward for LIT, bridge tolls removed, hospitals kept open, student endowment scrapped, prescription charges going. Not bad in 9 months.
Well JC we haven't started any wars. We are not buying any obscenely expensive WMD.
As to broken pledges, I'm counting frozen Council Tax, proposal put forward for LIT, bridge tolls removed, hospitals kept open, student endowment scrapped, prescription charges going. Not bad in 9 months.
Posted by: JC's Dad on 12:08am Sun 23 Mar 08
perhaps JC would like to forget; Saving A&E departments, ending of bridge tolls, freezing the council tax, ending prescription charges, reducing the size of government for starters......all when a MINORITY government 47 seats out of 129.
perhaps JC would like to forget; Saving A&E departments, ending of bridge tolls, freezing the council tax, ending prescription charges, reducing the size of government for starters......all when a MINORITY government 47 seats out of 129.
Posted by: Maximillion, Scotland on 12:11am Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote]a nat speculating about a hypothetical election.
The sound you just heard was the barrel being scraped.
I'm just getting bored with them now. The broken manifesto pledges, the inverted priorities -what's best for trump rather then the scottish people, the posturing of salmond, the student politics, letters to Burma, hobnobbing with Ian Paisley. It's time for them to go.[/quote]
This is hilarious. Almost on a par with Comical Ali.
This would be a Trump development supported by the majority of the local population? Salmond not allowed to "hobnob" with the democratically elected First Minister of Northern Ireland? Eh? Student politics? Like the Nicol "Smells of sleaze" Stephen type? The Wendy "hungry caterpillar" Alexander type?
No mate, you're just upset that they are streets ahead of the other parties at Holyrood. It just **** the unionists to tears that this has happened. This was never in the plan. Give them devolution they said! It'll mean Labour and LibDem government in perpetuity! The SNP won't last any more than 6 months!
Time for them to go, just because the other parties are slipping off the radar and have well and truly cocked up opposition?
What kind of democracy would that be to put sub-optimal and incompetent parties in power over one that has provided bold, effective and radical government for Scotland - the first time in 300 years?
a nat speculating about a hypothetical election.
The sound you just heard was the barrel being scraped.
I'm just getting bored with them now. The broken manifesto pledges, the inverted priorities -what's best for trump rather then the scottish people, the posturing of salmond, the student politics, letters to Burma, hobnobbing with Ian Paisley. It's time for them to go.
This is hilarious. Almost on a par with Comical Ali.
This would be a Trump development supported by the majority of the local population? Salmond not allowed to "hobnob" with the democratically elected First Minister of Northern Ireland? Eh? Student politics? Like the Nicol "Smells of sleaze" Stephen type? The Wendy "hungry caterpillar" Alexander type?
No mate, you're just upset that they are streets ahead of the other parties at Holyrood. It just **** the unionists to tears that this has happened. This was never in the plan. Give them devolution they said! It'll mean Labour and LibDem government in perpetuity! The SNP won't last any more than 6 months!
Time for them to go, just because the other parties are slipping off the radar and have well and truly cocked up opposition?
What kind of democracy would that be to put sub-optimal and incompetent parties in power over one that has provided bold, effective and radical government for Scotland - the first time in 300 years?
Posted by: JC on 12:14am Sun 23 Mar 08
Some councils already had no council tax rise in previous years, so this is nothing new. We'll get frozen council services, while money is spent on salmond's trips abroad and the 'national conversation', LIT is such a non-starter that not even John Swinney is enthused about it, we are still waiting to hear about ALL of the hospitals which we were told would be kept open, we've discovered that student debt is not going to be scrapped, presciption charges will go and money will need to be taken from elsewhere in the health budget to pay for this. Road tolls are scrapped encouraging road use which must dismay the greens (remember them?) and be bad for the enviroment. Pretty bad for 9 months. Things can only get worse.
Some councils already had no council tax rise in previous years, so this is nothing new. We'll get frozen council services, while money is spent on salmond's trips abroad and the 'national conversation', LIT is such a non-starter that not even John Swinney is enthused about it, we are still waiting to hear about ALL of the hospitals which we were told would be kept open, we've discovered that student debt is not going to be scrapped, presciption charges will go and money will need to be taken from elsewhere in the health budget to pay for this. Road tolls are scrapped encouraging road use which must dismay the greens (remember them?) and be bad for the enviroment. Pretty bad for 9 months. Things can only get worse.
Posted by: Mrs I P Knightly on 12:17am Sun 23 Mar 08
A good article in the Observer about the SNP and small business. An antidote to JC who must be sucking lemons. Sour.
http://www.guardian.
co.uk/uk/2008/mar/23
/scotland.scotland
A good article in the Observer about the SNP and small business. An antidote to JC who must be sucking lemons. Sour.
http://www.guardian.
co.uk/uk/2008/mar/23
/scotland.scotland
Posted by: Strathturret, Montrose on 12:18am Sun 23 Mar 08
What's your strategy then JC?
What your proposals on local taxation?
What's your strategy then JC?
What your proposals on local taxation?
Posted by: bully wee alba, Edinburgh on 12:19am Sun 23 Mar 08
Oh dear, JC is getting bored already!
Ok, that’s it, let’s just call the whole thing off.
Recall wee Joke from Malawi, re-instate Foulkes as the court jester, elevate Wendy to the status of pygmy, find a roll for Jackie Baillie, (preferably one containing sausage, bacon, a fried egg as well as a portion of mushrooms), but please just do something, anything, to stop JC being bored.
I was going to suggest that he goes out later today to find a suitable hill to roll his Easter egg down.
However, I suspect that he may complain that his egg would break, and all the Cadbury’s Buttons would come spilling out.
Oh dear, JC is getting bored already!
Ok, that’s it, let’s just call the whole thing off.
Recall wee Joke from Malawi, re-instate Foulkes as the court jester, elevate Wendy to the status of pygmy, find a roll for Jackie Baillie, (preferably one containing sausage, bacon, a fried egg as well as a portion of mushrooms), but please just do something, anything, to stop JC being bored.
I was going to suggest that he goes out later today to find a suitable hill to roll his Easter egg down.
However, I suspect that he may complain that his egg would break, and all the Cadbury’s Buttons would come spilling out.
Posted by: JC on 12:31am Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]bully wee alba[/bold] wrote:
Oh dear, JC is getting bored already! Ok, that’s it, let’s just call the whole thing off. Recall wee Joke from Malawi, re-instate Foulkes as the court jester, elevate Wendy to the status of pygmy, find a roll for Jackie Baillie, (preferably one containing sausage, bacon, a fried egg as well as a portion of mushrooms), but please just do something, anything, to stop JC being bored. I was going to suggest that he goes out later today to find a suitable hill to roll his Easter egg down. However, I suspect that he may complain that his egg would break, and all the Cadbury’s Buttons would come spilling out. [/quote] So that's the best the nats can do? I'm trying to discuss the serious business of how Scotland is being misgoverned, and all they can do to respond is fire off a series of insults based around the physical characteristics of some leading labour politicians. Slightly dodgy given that your leader salmond seems to be developing an extra chin every week, sturgeon appears resistant to any attempt at a makeover, and the rest of them look like extras from River City. Next time try and defend your policies.
bully wee alba wrote:
Oh dear, JC is getting bored already! Ok, that’s it, let’s just call the whole thing off. Recall wee Joke from Malawi, re-instate Foulkes as the court jester, elevate Wendy to the status of pygmy, find a roll for Jackie Baillie, (preferably one containing sausage, bacon, a fried egg as well as a portion of mushrooms), but please just do something, anything, to stop JC being bored. I was going to suggest that he goes out later today to find a suitable hill to roll his Easter egg down. However, I suspect that he may complain that his egg would break, and all the Cadbury’s Buttons would come spilling out.
So that's the best the nats can do? I'm trying to discuss the serious business of how Scotland is being misgoverned, and all they can do to respond is fire off a series of insults based around the physical characteristics of some leading labour politicians. Slightly dodgy given that your leader salmond seems to be developing an extra chin every week, sturgeon appears resistant to any attempt at a makeover, and the rest of them look like extras from River City. Next time try and defend your policies.
Posted by: JC on 12:35am Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Strathturret[/bold] wrote:
What's your strategy then JC? What your proposals on local taxation?[/quote] Well if the nats want me to reform the local taxation policy of Scotland, I'd be happy to do so. The fact that you're asking shows that you're needing help. Let's face it anything would be better than the proposed LIT scheme. I would need acess to all the relevant papers, but I'm prepared to give it a go.
Strathturret wrote:
What's your strategy then JC? What your proposals on local taxation?
Well if the nats want me to reform the local taxation policy of Scotland, I'd be happy to do so. The fact that you're asking shows that you're needing help. Let's face it anything would be better than the proposed LIT scheme. I would need acess to all the relevant papers, but I'm prepared to give it a go.
Posted by: Soapy Wit Tank on 12:35am Sun 23 Mar 08
Poor poor JC it must be awfy hard being you son, have you tried that prozac yet?
Poor poor JC it must be awfy hard being you son, have you tried that prozac yet?
Posted by: JC on 12:46am Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Soapy Wit Tank[/bold] wrote:
Poor poor JC it must be awfy hard being you son, have you tried that prozac yet?[/quote] Typical nat comment - ignoring the issues, patronising, slightly odd and insulting to people who do have to take medication for mental health problems.
Soapy Wit Tank wrote:
Poor poor JC it must be awfy hard being you son, have you tried that prozac yet?
Typical nat comment - ignoring the issues, patronising, slightly odd and insulting to people who do have to take medication for mental health problems.
Posted by: John Saultire, Scotland on 12:50am Sun 23 Mar 08
I do hope JC is not blaspheming at this Eastertide. [bold]His gross and absurd commentary on the SNP Government's performance certainly does not point to omniscience.[/bold] I guess the JC stands for something less knowing. Unionism certainly has a cross to bear.
I do hope JC is not blaspheming at this Eastertide.
His gross and absurd commentary on the SNP Government's performance certainly does not point to omniscience. I guess the JC stands for something less knowing. Unionism certainly has a cross to bear.
Posted by: Strathturret, Montrose on 12:57am Sun 23 Mar 08
Well JC what are you proposing.
LIT you pay according to how much you earn. If you earn £40K you pay twice what someone earning £20K pays.
Council Tax you pay according to how much your house was worth 20 years ago. So if I earn £100k and live next to a pensioner earning £10K, we pay same Council Tax. Fair?
Which is fairer?
Well JC what are you proposing.
LIT you pay according to how much you earn. If you earn £40K you pay twice what someone earning £20K pays.
Council Tax you pay according to how much your house was worth 20 years ago. So if I earn £100k and live next to a pensioner earning £10K, we pay same Council Tax. Fair?
Which is fairer?
Posted by: Chuck Vindaloo on 1:01am Sun 23 Mar 08
Cheer up JC, lots of Easter eggs today.
STURGEON CONDEMNS ALEXANDER ON BIZARRE IRAQ WAR STANCE
LABOUR SHOULD APOLOGISE FOR ILLEGAL WAR
The SNP's Depute leader Ms Nicola Sturgeon MSP today condemned Labour's Wendy Alexander for her continued view that the Iraq War is not a "real issue" for the people of Scotland.
Ms Sturgeon said:
"It's outrageous that Wendy Alexander considers the Iraq War not to be a real issue. Labour continue to peddle this preposterous notion that the conflict isn't important to the people of Scotland.
"Many service personnel have died in this illegal and immoral war that has claimed the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians, and palpably made the world a more dangerous place.
"Wendy Alexander's insistence on not mentioning the war on its fifth anniversary is bizarre, and she should apologise for supporting the UK Government's decision to send in the troops on misleading information.
"She voted for the war in the Scottish Parliament and continues to support it, despite the overwhelming number of Scots opposing it – even the majority of Labour voters are opposed to the conflict.
"Ms Alexander is so out of touch with public opinion that it is no wonder her poll rating is at an all time low of minus 22.
"It's ludicrous to attack the Scottish Government on our record when we have done much more in ten months than Labour managed in eight years.
"The Scottish Government has abolished prescription charges, frozen the council tax, scrapped bridge tolls, massively reduced small business rates, saved accident and emergency hospital services, reintroduced free education and reached a historic agreement with local authorities to reduce class sizes.
"We are introducing legislation to improve the lives of Scots on a whole range of areas, while Labour continue with their negative carping on the sidelines.
"That's why the SNP are ten points clear of Labour in the polls."
Cheer up JC, lots of Easter eggs today.
STURGEON CONDEMNS ALEXANDER ON BIZARRE IRAQ WAR STANCE
LABOUR SHOULD APOLOGISE FOR ILLEGAL WAR
The SNP's Depute leader Ms Nicola Sturgeon MSP today condemned Labour's Wendy Alexander for her continued view that the Iraq War is not a "real issue" for the people of Scotland.
Ms Sturgeon said:
"It's outrageous that Wendy Alexander considers the Iraq War not to be a real issue. Labour continue to peddle this preposterous notion that the conflict isn't important to the people of Scotland.
"Many service personnel have died in this illegal and immoral war that has claimed the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians, and palpably made the world a more dangerous place.
"Wendy Alexander's insistence on not mentioning the war on its fifth anniversary is bizarre, and she should apologise for supporting the UK Government's decision to send in the troops on misleading information.
"She voted for the war in the Scottish Parliament and continues to support it, despite the overwhelming number of Scots opposing it – even the majority of Labour voters are opposed to the conflict.
"Ms Alexander is so out of touch with public opinion that it is no wonder her poll rating is at an all time low of minus 22.
"It's ludicrous to attack the Scottish Government on our record when we have done much more in ten months than Labour managed in eight years.
"The Scottish Government has abolished prescription charges, frozen the council tax, scrapped bridge tolls, massively reduced small business rates, saved accident and emergency hospital services, reintroduced free education and reached a historic agreement with local authorities to reduce class sizes.
"We are introducing legislation to improve the lives of Scots on a whole range of areas, while Labour continue with their negative carping on the sidelines.
"That's why the SNP are ten points clear of Labour in the polls."
Posted by: Frank McBride, lusitania on 1:12am Sun 23 Mar 08
JC.
You are obviously not a NuLab nor a LibDem supporter as you say you have some notion of a way forward. I'm sure you would like to enlighten us. Indeed, if your suggestions have merit, I'm sure that the SG would be pleased to incorporate them into their policy.
Please do enlighten us.
JC.
You are obviously not a NuLab nor a LibDem supporter as you say you have some notion of a way forward. I'm sure you would like to enlighten us. Indeed, if your suggestions have merit, I'm sure that the SG would be pleased to incorporate them into their policy.
Please do enlighten us.
Posted by: Andrew, Renfrewshire on 1:53am Sun 23 Mar 08
I think the good people of Aberdeen may have something to say after last week's budget meeting.
I think the good people of Aberdeen may have something to say after last week's budget meeting.
Posted by: somerferg, perth on 2:09am Sun 23 Mar 08
Don't you just love when apologists for the opposition parties in Scotland fire barbs at the SNP government and of course save their most bitter bile for the party leaders, using nasty, small minded personal insults. And then to cap it all tell supporters of the SNP government to discuss policies.
Don't you just love when apologists for the opposition parties in Scotland fire barbs at the SNP government and of course save their most bitter bile for the party leaders, using nasty, small minded personal insults. And then to cap it all tell supporters of the SNP government to discuss policies.
Posted by: John F on 5:35am Sun 23 Mar 08
TNS System Three, carried out in late November and early December.
The questions asked were the ones the Scottish Government is proposing to put to the voters in referendum with the electorate having the choice of either I AGREE or I DO NOT AGREE the actual result was:-
I agree -40%
I do not agree -44%
Don't know-16%
TNS System Three poll from Aug when for the same questions the result was:-
I agree - 35%
I do not agree - 50%
Don't know - 15%
I AGREE was for independence.
TNS System Three, carried out in late November and early December.
The questions asked were the ones the Scottish Government is proposing to put to the voters in referendum with the electorate having the choice of either I AGREE or I DO NOT AGREE the actual result was:-
I agree -40%
I do not agree -44%
Don't know-16%
TNS System Three poll from Aug when for the same questions the result was:-
I agree - 35%
I do not agree - 50%
Don't know - 15%
I AGREE was for independence.
Posted by: dave, north on 7:13am Sun 23 Mar 08
The snp lead is growing due to a growing awareness among the public that an independent scotland is nothing to be scared of.Despite huge efforts by the media to terrorise voters away from the snp,voters flocked to the snp.I really struggle to think of anything the snp govt has done in the last 10 months that would make the swing voter want to go back to an ineffective govt.Come the next election the media are going to have to decide how to defend the union-scare tactics which didnt work last time,or a positive slant on the benefits the union confers on the people of scotland.What exactly are the benefits of being in the union these days?
Or will at least some of the media recognise that they have become out of step with their readership and start supporting the independence cause?At what point will the newspapers turn towards the future and independence?Does the herald have a figure in mind?Is it 50% or do they wait for 55% to be on the safe side?
The snp lead is growing due to a growing awareness among the public that an independent scotland is nothing to be scared of.Despite huge efforts by the media to terrorise voters away from the snp,voters flocked to the snp.I really struggle to think of anything the snp govt has done in the last 10 months that would make the swing voter want to go back to an ineffective govt.Come the next election the media are going to have to decide how to defend the union-scare tactics which didnt work last time,or a positive slant on the benefits the union confers on the people of scotland.What exactly are the benefits of being in the union these days?
Or will at least some of the media recognise that they have become out of step with their readership and start supporting the independence cause?At what point will the newspapers turn towards the future and independence?Does the herald have a figure in mind?Is it 50% or do they wait for 55% to be on the safe side?
Posted by: Donald Laing, Largs on 8:31am Sun 23 Mar 08
Salmond & Swinney have turned out to be a winning team and have given Scotland a sense of self worth and confidence that is very refreshing and it frightens me to think of going back to the Labour unionist way of doing things like having to phone westminster every time a decision has to be made. In truth none of these unionist parties offer anything for Scotland but kow-towing to an old and outdated system of government that has passed its sell by date. Vote for the SNP and a better way of life for the people of Scotland
Salmond & Swinney have turned out to be a winning team and have given Scotland a sense of self worth and confidence that is very refreshing and it frightens me to think of going back to the Labour unionist way of doing things like having to phone westminster every time a decision has to be made. In truth none of these unionist parties offer anything for Scotland but kow-towing to an old and outdated system of government that has passed its sell by date. Vote for the SNP and a better way of life for the people of Scotland
Posted by: dave, north on 9:08am Sun 23 Mar 08
The Unionist parties have made it clear that there will be no referendum on independence.Do they therefore agree that when over 50% of Scottish voters vote in an election for parties committed to independence no referendum will be needed to take Scotland out of this pathetic old union?
The Unionist parties have made it clear that there will be no referendum on independence.Do they therefore agree that when over 50% of Scottish voters vote in an election for parties committed to independence no referendum will be needed to take Scotland out of this pathetic old union?
Posted by: foxy, Brigadoon on 9:26am Sun 23 Mar 08
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Posted by: karin on 10:29am Sun 23 Mar 08
dave the unionist parties are not going to agree to anything because the truth is that they democracy only applies when it agrees with what they want. If the majority of scotland voted snp they would still say no thats not enough. Which is why many people favour the gradualist approach. I dont personally. When you compare the situation with when ireland got its independence many people there were agaisnt indpendence then the british government came in to quell an uprising by a minority they then took the men involved in the uprising lined them up agaisnt a wall and shot them. One man they took from a hospital bed and because he was dying and too ill too stand they shot tied to a chair to keep him from falling over.
Thats british democracy for you.
dave the unionist parties are not going to agree to anything because the truth is that they democracy only applies when it agrees with what they want. If the majority of scotland voted snp they would still say no thats not enough. Which is why many people favour the gradualist approach. I dont personally. When you compare the situation with when ireland got its independence many people there were agaisnt indpendence then the british government came in to quell an uprising by a minority they then took the men involved in the uprising lined them up agaisnt a wall and shot them. One man they took from a hospital bed and because he was dying and too ill too stand they shot tied to a chair to keep him from falling over.
Thats british democracy for you.
Posted by: John Leven on 11:01am Sun 23 Mar 08
Dave North
I think you are correct with your assessment, however they will not agree to anything.
Since Browns mantra is as only 33% voted for the SNP in May that is not a vote for independence, which is a bit rich as 0%, zero, nil zilch voted for him as PM. (It is also a higher % vote than Labour got at the last general election)
If however we have the referendum which only 70% of the population want, it is first past the post. If three people vote and two vote yes, then that is the result. If you do not vote you do not count.
Dave North
I think you are correct with your assessment, however they will not agree to anything.
Since Browns mantra is as only 33% voted for the SNP in May that is not a vote for independence, which is a bit rich as 0%, zero, nil zilch voted for him as PM. (It is also a higher % vote than Labour got at the last general election)
If however we have the referendum which only 70% of the population want, it is first past the post. If three people vote and two vote yes, then that is the result. If you do not vote you do not count.
Posted by: Jock in the Box, embra on 11:05am Sun 23 Mar 08
New labour show arrogance beyond tolerance in even thinking that Wendy can be above the law and carry on unsctahed,when she should have been tried and convicted.
Even Paisley may not want her now,and rest assured Scotland definitely does NOT!
She should make a withdrawal while she still can.Every day is a day further into the chasm of notoriety,and it will be a long time before Wendy can walk the streets without being ridiculed (at least behind her back,and often to her face).Its not worth it,and her children could end up bearing the brunt of this.Use what little brains you do have Wendy and just quit !You are only Browns muppet and even your onw party dont want you,but cant say so in public.
New labour show arrogance beyond tolerance in even thinking that Wendy can be above the law and carry on unsctahed,when she should have been tried and convicted.
Even Paisley may not want her now,and rest assured Scotland definitely does NOT!
She should make a withdrawal while she still can.Every day is a day further into the chasm of notoriety,and it will be a long time before Wendy can walk the streets without being ridiculed (at least behind her back,and often to her face).Its not worth it,and her children could end up bearing the brunt of this.Use what little brains you do have Wendy and just quit !You are only Browns muppet and even your onw party dont want you,but cant say so in public.
Posted by: Tits McGhee on 11:21am Sun 23 Mar 08
It just keeps getting better and better.
[bold]SNP WESTMINSTER SUPPORT DOUBLES - MRUK/SUNDAY TIMES POLL[/bold]
MORE SNP MPs COULD HOLD BALANCE OF POWER
Welcoming the MRUK Cello/Sunday Times poll today, which shows a virtual doubling of Scottish National Party support for a Westminster General Election to tie with Labour at 34%, SNP Westminster leader Mr Angus Robertson MP said:
"This latest poll evidence is fantastic news - showing a doubling of SNP support, and coming on top of the evidence of real votes in council by-elections, and last weekend's sensational Holyrood poll.
"Compared to the 2005 general election, it shows a 16% increase for the SNP and a -5% decrease for Labour - wiping out Labour's lead even for a Westminster election.
"The SNP are on course to significantly increase our number of MPs at the next election - we would win 15 seats on the basis of this poll, for example.
"With the possibility of a hung parliament at the next election, it could well be the SNP who hold the balance of power. In these circumstances, all of the issues where Westminster is currently saying No to the Scottish Government would very quickly change to Yes!
"The Westminster poll comes on the back of the Holyrood poll last weekend, putting Alex Salmond 75 points ahead of Wendy Alexander, and the SNP surging to a 10 point lead in Scottish Parliament polls, as the Scottish Government removes prescription charges, delivers a Council Tax freeze, reintroduces free university education, and cuts small business rates."
Note: MRUK Cello interviewed 1.028 adults across Scotland between February 29 and March 9. The results are:
SNP: 34% (+16)
Labour: 34% (-5)
Con: 18% (+2)
Lib Dem: 9% (-14)
Other: 4% (-1)
Projected Westminster seats:
SNP: 15 (+9)
Lab: 34 (-6)
Lib Dem: 5 (-6)
Con: 4 (+3)
It just keeps getting better and better.
SNP WESTMINSTER SUPPORT DOUBLES - MRUK/SUNDAY TIMES POLL
MORE SNP MPs COULD HOLD BALANCE OF POWER
Welcoming the MRUK Cello/Sunday Times poll today, which shows a virtual doubling of Scottish National Party support for a Westminster General Election to tie with Labour at 34%, SNP Westminster leader Mr Angus Robertson MP said:
"This latest poll evidence is fantastic news - showing a doubling of SNP support, and coming on top of the evidence of real votes in council by-elections, and last weekend's sensational Holyrood poll.
"Compared to the 2005 general election, it shows a 16% increase for the SNP and a -5% decrease for Labour - wiping out Labour's lead even for a Westminster election.
"The SNP are on course to significantly increase our number of MPs at the next election - we would win 15 seats on the basis of this poll, for example.
"With the possibility of a hung parliament at the next election, it could well be the SNP who hold the balance of power. In these circumstances, all of the issues where Westminster is currently saying No to the Scottish Government would very quickly change to Yes!
"The Westminster poll comes on the back of the Holyrood poll last weekend, putting Alex Salmond 75 points ahead of Wendy Alexander, and the SNP surging to a 10 point lead in Scottish Parliament polls, as the Scottish Government removes prescription charges, delivers a Council Tax freeze, reintroduces free university education, and cuts small business rates."
Note: MRUK Cello interviewed 1.028 adults across Scotland between February 29 and March 9. The results are:
SNP: 34% (+16)
Labour: 34% (-5)
Con: 18% (+2)
Lib Dem: 9% (-14)
Other: 4% (-1)
Projected Westminster seats:
SNP: 15 (+9)
Lab: 34 (-6)
Lib Dem: 5 (-6)
Con: 4 (+3)
Posted by: Lowperdowg, Norway on 11:36am Sun 23 Mar 08
Mrs I P Knightly
From the Guardian article:
[quote]From October to December 2007, more than 25,000 new business accounts were opened, a 6.7 per cent rise on the same period in 2006, while the number of private sector enterprises climbed to 279,495 in 2007, a 5.3 per cent rise on the previous year. The latest Household Survey of Entrepreneurship shows that about 11 per cent of Scots are now running their own business, while a further 10 per cent are thinking of starting one.[/quote]
But, but, but...
I thought Scotland was going to empty after the SNP got in?
Michelle Mone, where are you?
Mrs I P Knightly
From the Guardian article:
From October to December 2007, more than 25,000 new business accounts were opened, a 6.7 per cent rise on the same period in 2006, while the number of private sector enterprises climbed to 279,495 in 2007, a 5.3 per cent rise on the previous year. The latest Household Survey of Entrepreneurship shows that about 11 per cent of Scots are now running their own business, while a further 10 per cent are thinking of starting one.
But, but, but...
I thought Scotland was going to empty after the SNP got in?
Michelle Mone, where are you?
Posted by: Lachlan, Stirling on 11:48am Sun 23 Mar 08
Wendy Alexander will soon be launching a new set of policies from the Labour Party in Scotland in an attempt to counter the Nationalists apparently never ending success.
The Scottish Tory Party, which is still treated like a bunch of lepers by the vast majority of the Scots Electorate, appeases the Nationalists in an effort to look like one of the big boys but can still only nitpik away at the edges of Scots politics.
The Scots Lib-Dems are still in deep shock after losing their place in coalition, the closest they have ever come to any form of government representation, since the Lib-Lab pact, and the Great War.
It is high time these ineffectual Scots Unionist parties realised that they are the collective majority and if they don't get the finger out before it is too late the SNP Executive will simply become a provisional
government in waiting!
Wendy Alexander will soon be launching a new set of policies from the Labour Party in Scotland in an attempt to counter the Nationalists apparently never ending success.
The Scottish Tory Party, which is still treated like a bunch of lepers by the vast majority of the Scots Electorate, appeases the Nationalists in an effort to look like one of the big boys but can still only nitpik away at the edges of Scots politics.
The Scots Lib-Dems are still in deep shock after losing their place in coalition, the closest they have ever come to any form of government representation, since the Lib-Lab pact, and the Great War.
It is high time these ineffectual Scots Unionist parties realised that they are the collective majority and if they don't get the finger out before it is too late the SNP Executive will simply become a provisional
government in waiting!
Posted by: Lowperdowg, Norway on 12:56pm Sun 23 Mar 08
Lachlan
From the BBC:
[quote]Ms Alexander stated: "The task now for Scottish Labour is to rediscover our progressive voice, to find new policies for radical change, and to match our vision for the years ahead to the modern confidence of Scots."[/quote]
I'd wouldn't bother if I were you, Wendy.
Lachlan
From the BBC:
Ms Alexander stated: "The task now for Scottish Labour is to rediscover our progressive voice, to find new policies for radical change, and to match our vision for the years ahead to the modern confidence of Scots."
I'd wouldn't bother if I were you, Wendy.
Posted by: James Johnston, Edinburgh & Glasgow on 1:36pm Sun 23 Mar 08
Really really really looking forward to Council Tax abolition. Wife and I currently pay more than £6k per year on our lovely homes in Auld Reekie and the dear green place. Thanks to alex's progressive views on tax cuts for multi-millionaires we will pay NOTHING AT ALL for council services as all of our £200k per year comes from investment income.
Thank you SNP, you are wonderful, Christmas in Barbados next year, thanks to Alex's generous tax cut. Thanks also to the rest of you for paying extra so that we can pay nothing at all.
Really really really looking forward to Council Tax abolition. Wife and I currently pay more than £6k per year on our lovely homes in Auld Reekie and the dear green place. Thanks to alex's progressive views on tax cuts for multi-millionaires we will pay NOTHING AT ALL for council services as all of our £200k per year comes from investment income.
Thank you SNP, you are wonderful, Christmas in Barbados next year, thanks to Alex's generous tax cut. Thanks also to the rest of you for paying extra so that we can pay nothing at all.
Posted by: yvonne, TV Room on 2:14pm Sun 23 Mar 08
JC.
Did you not use the link provided by Mrs I P knightly.
Apparently,Scotland is,according to the Guardian,being extremely well governed.
To quote:-
Recent poll findings have shown a rise in SNP popularity as many of the concerns people had about a nationalist administration have subsided and been replaced by a renewed spirit of entrepreneurialism. End quote.
JC.
Did you not use the link provided by Mrs I P knightly.
Apparently,Scotland is,according to the Guardian,being extremely well governed.
To quote:-
Recent poll findings have shown a rise in SNP popularity as many of the concerns people had about a nationalist administration have subsided and been replaced by a renewed spirit of entrepreneurialism. End quote.
Posted by: yvonne, TV Room on 2:16pm Sun 23 Mar 08
James Johnston, Edinburgh & Glasgow on 1:36pm today
I presume you do pay income tax!
James Johnston, Edinburgh & Glasgow on 1:36pm today
I presume you do pay income tax!
Posted by: Observer on 2:31pm Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]James Johnston[/bold] wrote:
Really really really looking forward to Council Tax abolition. Wife and I currently pay more than £6k per year on our lovely homes in Auld Reekie and the dear green place. Thanks to alex's progressive views on tax cuts for multi-millionaires we will pay NOTHING AT ALL for council services as all of our £200k per year comes from investment income. Thank you SNP, you are wonderful, Christmas in Barbados next year, thanks to Alex's generous tax cut. Thanks also to the rest of you for paying extra so that we can pay nothing at all.[/quote] And you are of course the typical Scottish couple ?
Did it take you a long time to make up that scenario ? Because of course this mythical couple are very non typical. Most of us will be better off and as for rich people avoiding income tax we all know they do it, we all know it is Labour who let them do it as they are friends of the rich, and we all know the best way to resolve that is to vote for independence.
James Johnston wrote:
Really really really looking forward to Council Tax abolition. Wife and I currently pay more than £6k per year on our lovely homes in Auld Reekie and the dear green place. Thanks to alex's progressive views on tax cuts for multi-millionaires we will pay NOTHING AT ALL for council services as all of our £200k per year comes from investment income. Thank you SNP, you are wonderful, Christmas in Barbados next year, thanks to Alex's generous tax cut. Thanks also to the rest of you for paying extra so that we can pay nothing at all.
And you are of course the typical Scottish couple ?
Did it take you a long time to make up that scenario ? Because of course this mythical couple are very non typical. Most of us will be better off and as for rich people avoiding income tax we all know they do it, we all know it is Labour who let them do it as they are friends of the rich, and we all know the best way to resolve that is to vote for independence.
Posted by: James Johnston, Edinburgh & Glasgow on 2:50pm Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Observer[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]James Johnston[/bold] wrote: Really really really looking forward to Council Tax abolition. Wife and I currently pay more than £6k per year on our lovely homes in Auld Reekie and the dear green place. Thanks to alex's progressive views on tax cuts for multi-millionaires we will pay NOTHING AT ALL for council services as all of our £200k per year comes from investment income. Thank you SNP, you are wonderful, Christmas in Barbados next year, thanks to Alex's generous tax cut. Thanks also to the rest of you for paying extra so that we can pay nothing at all.[/quote] And you are of course the typical Scottish couple ? Did it take you a long time to make up that scenario ? Because of course this mythical couple are very non typical. Most of us will be better off and as for rich people avoiding income tax we all know they do it, we all know it is Labour who let them do it as they are friends of the rich, and we all know the best way to resolve that is to vote for independence. [/quote] Non typical but very very grateful.
All those wasted years voting Tory for tax cuts and I should have been voting SNP all the while.
Re Yvonne's comments we do pay income tax and will continue to do so at 40p in the £. For salary earners above the basic rate threshold the rate will be 43p to pay for our council tax cut.
Observer wrote:
James Johnston wrote: Really really really looking forward to Council Tax abolition. Wife and I currently pay more than £6k per year on our lovely homes in Auld Reekie and the dear green place. Thanks to alex's progressive views on tax cuts for multi-millionaires we will pay NOTHING AT ALL for council services as all of our £200k per year comes from investment income. Thank you SNP, you are wonderful, Christmas in Barbados next year, thanks to Alex's generous tax cut. Thanks also to the rest of you for paying extra so that we can pay nothing at all.
And you are of course the typical Scottish couple ? Did it take you a long time to make up that scenario ? Because of course this mythical couple are very non typical. Most of us will be better off and as for rich people avoiding income tax we all know they do it, we all know it is Labour who let them do it as they are friends of the rich, and we all know the best way to resolve that is to vote for independence.
Non typical but very very grateful.
All those wasted years voting Tory for tax cuts and I should have been voting SNP all the while.
Re Yvonne's comments we do pay income tax and will continue to do so at 40p in the £. For salary earners above the basic rate threshold the rate will be 43p to pay for our council tax cut.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 3:03pm Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]James Johnston[/bold] wrote:
Really really really looking forward to Council Tax abolition. Wife and I currently pay more than £6k per year on our lovely homes in Auld Reekie and the dear green place. Thanks to alex's progressive views on tax cuts for multi-millionaires we will pay NOTHING AT ALL for council services as all of our £200k per year comes from investment income.
Thank you SNP, you are wonderful, Christmas in Barbados next year, thanks to Alex's generous tax cut. Thanks also to the rest of you for paying extra so that we can pay nothing at all.[/quote]
eh....didn't you read the consultation paper, people with second or more homes will be paying for these.
[quote]We are interested in creating a tax that would allow local authorities to play a role in determining how much tax owners of these properties in their areas pay, based on their superior knowledge of local circumstances.
Local authorities for whom such properties have reduced the supply of affordable housing may wish to set a higher level of tax, which could be used to invest in local housing. Local authorities that wish to encourage second home ownership in their boundaries may wish to set a lower level of tax.
[/quote]
[bold]oh dear james[/bold]
You and your wife will likely be paying
a hell of a lot more in local taxation in a few years. About time eh that you gave a little back!
[italic]What an idiot.....gloating on a public forum about personal wealth, that takes a real brass neck....[/italic]
James Johnston wrote:
Really really really looking forward to Council Tax abolition. Wife and I currently pay more than £6k per year on our lovely homes in Auld Reekie and the dear green place. Thanks to alex's progressive views on tax cuts for multi-millionaires we will pay NOTHING AT ALL for council services as all of our £200k per year comes from investment income.
Thank you SNP, you are wonderful, Christmas in Barbados next year, thanks to Alex's generous tax cut. Thanks also to the rest of you for paying extra so that we can pay nothing at all.
eh....didn't you read the consultation paper, people with second or more homes will be paying for these.
We are interested in creating a tax that would allow local authorities to play a role in determining how much tax owners of these properties in their areas pay, based on their superior knowledge of local circumstances.
Local authorities for whom such properties have reduced the supply of affordable housing may wish to set a higher level of tax, which could be used to invest in local housing. Local authorities that wish to encourage second home ownership in their boundaries may wish to set a lower level of tax.
oh dear james
You and your wife will likely be paying
a hell of a lot more in local taxation in a few years. About time eh that you gave a little back!
What an idiot.....gloating on a public forum about personal wealth, that takes a real brass neck....
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 3:19pm Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]James Johnston[/bold] wrote:
Really really really looking forward to Council Tax abolition. Wife and I currently pay more than £6k per year on our lovely homes in Auld Reekie and the dear green place. Thanks to alex's progressive views on tax cuts for multi-millionaires we will pay NOTHING AT ALL for council services as all of our £200k per year comes from investment income.
Thank you SNP, you are wonderful, Christmas in Barbados next year, thanks to Alex's generous tax cut. Thanks also to the rest of you for paying extra so that we can pay nothing at all.[/quote]
Try reading the consultation paper first Jamsie
[bold]
LIT Consultation Document[/bold]
[bold]tinyurl.com/2bt5sc[/bold]
Especially Section 5 on Second Homes.
No more Council Tax breaks of 90% relief for you my friend.... and if your 'income' is through rents, then you'll be getting taxed on that as income.
Given the need for affordable home sin the city centre's, I'd suspect that your going to get clobbered, probably bets you sell them now.....
[bold]LIT[/bold] : Not Perfect but certainly Fairer than Council Tax
James Johnston wrote:
Really really really looking forward to Council Tax abolition. Wife and I currently pay more than £6k per year on our lovely homes in Auld Reekie and the dear green place. Thanks to alex's progressive views on tax cuts for multi-millionaires we will pay NOTHING AT ALL for council services as all of our £200k per year comes from investment income.
Thank you SNP, you are wonderful, Christmas in Barbados next year, thanks to Alex's generous tax cut. Thanks also to the rest of you for paying extra so that we can pay nothing at all.
Try reading the consultation paper first Jamsie
LIT Consultation Document
tinyurl.com/2bt5sc
Especially Section 5 on Second Homes.
No more Council Tax breaks of 90% relief for you my friend.... and if your 'income' is through rents, then you'll be getting taxed on that as income.
Given the need for affordable home sin the city centre's, I'd suspect that your going to get clobbered, probably bets you sell them now.....
LIT : Not Perfect but certainly Fairer than Council Tax
Posted by: James Johnston, Edinburgh & Glasgow on 4:12pm Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Wardog[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]James Johnston[/bold] wrote: Really really really looking forward to Council Tax abolition. Wife and I currently pay more than £6k per year on our lovely homes in Auld Reekie and the dear green place. Thanks to alex's progressive views on tax cuts for multi-millionaires we will pay NOTHING AT ALL for council services as all of our £200k per year comes from investment income. Thank you SNP, you are wonderful, Christmas in Barbados next year, thanks to Alex's generous tax cut. Thanks also to the rest of you for paying extra so that we can pay nothing at all.[/quote] Try reading the consultation paper first Jamsie [bold] LIT Consultation Document[/bold] [bold]tinyurl.com/2bt5sc[/bold] Especially Section 5 on Second Homes. No more Council Tax breaks of 90% relief for you my friend.... and if your 'income' is through rents, then you'll be getting taxed on that as income. Given the need for affordable home sin the city centre's, I'd suspect that your going to get clobbered, probably bets you sell them now..... [bold]LIT[/bold] : Not Perfect but certainly Fairer than Council Tax [/quote]
Who said anything about a second home? My home is in Glasgow and my wife's place is in Edinburgh.
Wardog wrote:
James Johnston wrote: Really really really looking forward to Council Tax abolition. Wife and I currently pay more than £6k per year on our lovely homes in Auld Reekie and the dear green place. Thanks to alex's progressive views on tax cuts for multi-millionaires we will pay NOTHING AT ALL for council services as all of our £200k per year comes from investment income. Thank you SNP, you are wonderful, Christmas in Barbados next year, thanks to Alex's generous tax cut. Thanks also to the rest of you for paying extra so that we can pay nothing at all.
Try reading the consultation paper first Jamsie LIT Consultation Document tinyurl.com/2bt5sc Especially Section 5 on Second Homes. No more Council Tax breaks of 90% relief for you my friend.... and if your 'income' is through rents, then you'll be getting taxed on that as income. Given the need for affordable home sin the city centre's, I'd suspect that your going to get clobbered, probably bets you sell them now..... LIT : Not Perfect but certainly Fairer than Council Tax
Who said anything about a second home? My home is in Glasgow and my wife's place is in Edinburgh.
Posted by: yvonne, TV Room on 5:59pm Sun 23 Mar 08
James Johnston, Edinburgh & Glasgow on 4:12pm today.
So on your 200k you pay income tax? and presumeably you both have pensions? Private? and state. So you'll pay LIT based on both?
James Johnston, Edinburgh & Glasgow on 4:12pm today.
So on your 200k you pay income tax? and presumeably you both have pensions? Private? and state. So you'll pay LIT based on both?
Posted by: James Johnston, Edinburgh&Glasgo
w on 6:13pm Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]yvonne[/bold] wrote:
James Johnston, Edinburgh & Glasgow on 4:12pm today. So on your 200k you pay income tax? and presumeably you both have pensions? Private? and state. So you\'ll pay LIT based on both?[/quote] All dividend income, all exempt from LIT.
Incidentally why is it called LIT (Local Income tax) when its actually a Scottish National Income Tax. Shouldn't it be called SNIT?
yvonne wrote:
James Johnston, Edinburgh & Glasgow on 4:12pm today. So on your 200k you pay income tax? and presumeably you both have pensions? Private? and state. So you\'ll pay LIT based on both?
All dividend income, all exempt from LIT.
Incidentally why is it called LIT (Local Income tax) when its actually a Scottish National Income Tax. Shouldn't it be called SNIT?
Posted by: yvonne, TV Room on 6:24pm Sun 23 Mar 08
James Johnston, Edinburgh&Glasgo w on 6:13pm today.
SNOT SNIT. It's LIT!
But you still pay WIT!!
James Johnston, Edinburgh&Glasgo w on 6:13pm today.
SNOT SNIT. It's LIT!
But you still pay WIT!!
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 6:37pm Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]James Johnston[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Wardog[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]James Johnston[/bold] wrote: Really really really looking forward to Council Tax abolition. Wife and I currently pay more than £6k per year on our lovely homes in Auld Reekie and the dear green place. Thanks to alex's progressive views on tax cuts for multi-millionaires we will pay NOTHING AT ALL for council services as all of our £200k per year comes from investment income. Thank you SNP, you are wonderful, Christmas in Barbados next year, thanks to Alex's generous tax cut. Thanks also to the rest of you for paying extra so that we can pay nothing at all.[/quote] Try reading the consultation paper first Jamsie [bold] LIT Consultation Document[/bold] [bold]tinyurl.com/2bt5sc[/bold] Especially Section 5 on Second Homes. No more Council Tax breaks of 90% relief for you my friend.... and if your 'income' is through rents, then you'll be getting taxed on that as income. Given the need for affordable home sin the city centre's, I'd suspect that your going to get clobbered, probably bets you sell them now..... [bold]LIT[/bold] : Not Perfect but certainly Fairer than Council Tax [/quote]
Who said anything about a second home? My home is in Glasgow and my wife's place is in Edinburgh.[/quote]
If your a married couple, you will likely need to prove which is your 'main' residence
[bold]Don't take my word for it, read the consultation document.[/bold]
The 'second' home will be taxed by the local authority and like I say, if in a city will likely attract quite high rates as the local authority maximises the availability of homes.
[italic]An interesting little aside is that the SNP might concede that their be a Land Value Tax collected locally by councils on land owners who own land over a certain threshold, this will catch a lot of people living in large houses but living off of dividend income. You should be careful of your gloating, this is after all a consultation document - in 2-3 years time I would expect many of the loopholes to be well and truly closed down before it becomes legislation.[/italic]
So where will you live once you sell up, Glasgow or Auld Reekie?
James Johnston wrote:
Wardog wrote:
James Johnston wrote: Really really really looking forward to Council Tax abolition. Wife and I currently pay more than £6k per year on our lovely homes in Auld Reekie and the dear green place. Thanks to alex's progressive views on tax cuts for multi-millionaires we will pay NOTHING AT ALL for council services as all of our £200k per year comes from investment income. Thank you SNP, you are wonderful, Christmas in Barbados next year, thanks to Alex's generous tax cut. Thanks also to the rest of you for paying extra so that we can pay nothing at all.
Try reading the consultation paper first Jamsie LIT Consultation Document tinyurl.com/2bt5sc Especially Section 5 on Second Homes. No more Council Tax breaks of 90% relief for you my friend.... and if your 'income' is through rents, then you'll be getting taxed on that as income. Given the need for affordable home sin the city centre's, I'd suspect that your going to get clobbered, probably bets you sell them now..... LIT : Not Perfect but certainly Fairer than Council Tax
Who said anything about a second home? My home is in Glasgow and my wife's place is in Edinburgh.
If your a married couple, you will likely need to prove which is your 'main' residence
Don't take my word for it, read the consultation document.
The 'second' home will be taxed by the local authority and like I say, if in a city will likely attract quite high rates as the local authority maximises the availability of homes.
An interesting little aside is that the SNP might concede that their be a Land Value Tax collected locally by councils on land owners who own land over a certain threshold, this will catch a lot of people living in large houses but living off of dividend income. You should be careful of your gloating, this is after all a consultation document - in 2-3 years time I would expect many of the loopholes to be well and truly closed down before it becomes legislation.
So where will you live once you sell up, Glasgow or Auld Reekie?
Posted by: James Johnston, Glasgow&Edinburg
h on 7:03pm Sun 23 Mar 08
If your a married couple, you will [bold]likely[/bold] need to prove which is your 'main' residence
Likely, hmmm, unlikely I think to make it into the legislation.
Can the SNP or any govt for that matter really legislate to say that if you are married you can only have one residence but if you are two single folk in a relationship then you can have one each? How on earth is that supposed to work?
Its one thing to lob ideas into a consultation document but its altogether harder to come up with the administrative procedures that will make it work.
If your a married couple, you will
likely need to prove which is your 'main' residence
Likely, hmmm, unlikely I think to make it into the legislation.
Can the SNP or any govt for that matter really legislate to say that if you are married you can only have one residence but if you are two single folk in a relationship then you can have one each? How on earth is that supposed to work?
Its one thing to lob ideas into a consultation document but its altogether harder to come up with the administrative procedures that will make it work.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 7:15pm Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]James Johnston[/bold] wrote:
If your a married couple, you will [bold]likely[/bold] need to prove which is your 'main' residence
Likely, hmmm, unlikely I think to make it into the legislation.
Can the SNP or any govt for that matter really legislate to say that if you are married you can only have one residence but if you are two single folk in a relationship then you can have one each? How on earth is that supposed to work?
Its one thing to lob ideas into a consultation document but its altogether harder to come up with the administrative procedures that will make it work.[/quote]
This happens at the moment, for tax purposes/capital gains tax you should have be declaring a second home to the HMRC at the moment on your tax return.
You do submit tax returns don't you?
You have told them that you own a second home?
A married couple staying in separate homes is a tax wheeze and you'll get penalised for this.... unless ofcourse your actually earning an income from renting that second property in which case, you'd be liable for LIT & Income tax on that.
[bold]www.hmrc.gov.uk/help
sheets/ir283.pdf[/bold]
James Johnston wrote:
If your a married couple, you will likely need to prove which is your 'main' residence
Likely, hmmm, unlikely I think to make it into the legislation.
Can the SNP or any govt for that matter really legislate to say that if you are married you can only have one residence but if you are two single folk in a relationship then you can have one each? How on earth is that supposed to work?
Its one thing to lob ideas into a consultation document but its altogether harder to come up with the administrative procedures that will make it work.
This happens at the moment, for tax purposes/capital gains tax you should have be declaring a second home to the HMRC at the moment on your tax return.
You do submit tax returns don't you?
You have told them that you own a second home?
A married couple staying in separate homes is a tax wheeze and you'll get penalised for this.... unless ofcourse your actually earning an income from renting that second property in which case, you'd be liable for LIT & Income tax on that.
www.hmrc.gov.uk/help
sheets/ir283.pdf
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 7:18pm Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Wardog[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]James Johnston[/bold] wrote:
If your a married couple, you will [bold]likely[/bold] need to prove which is your 'main' residence
Likely, hmmm, unlikely I think to make it into the legislation.
Can the SNP or any govt for that matter really legislate to say that if you are married you can only have one residence but if you are two single folk in a relationship then you can have one each? How on earth is that supposed to work?
Its one thing to lob ideas into a consultation document but its altogether harder to come up with the administrative procedures that will make it work.[/quote]
This happens at the moment, for tax purposes/capital gains tax you should have be declaring a second home to the HMRC at the moment on your tax return.
You do submit tax returns don't you?
You have told them that you own a second home?
A married couple staying in separate homes is a tax wheeze and you'll get penalised for this.... unless ofcourse your actually earning an income from renting that second property in which case, you'd be liable for LIT & Income tax on that.
[bold]www.hmrc.gov.uk/help
sheets/ir283.pdf[/bold]
[/quote]
[bold]To quote the linked HMRC Guidelines[/bold]
[quote]If you are married or in a civil partnership and you are not separated from your spouse or civil partner, you can have only one main residence between you.
If, when you married or registered as civil partners, you each owned a residence and you have continued to use both residences, you can nominate jointly which
is to be the main residence, and the two-year period for doing so begins on the date of marriage or registration as civil partners.
If you are separated, each of you may have a different only or main residence and each may be entitled to relief on any gains arising on the disposal of the residence(s). of any gain that qualifies for relief.
If you do not occupy your new home when you acquire it because you are not able to sell your old home, or you need to carry out refurbishment, you can treat the first 12 months as if the house had been your only or main residence in that period.
In exceptional circumstances we may allow you to treat a longer period (up to a total of two years) in the same way. The same treatment applies when you buy land to build a house on it.[/quote]
You have told them that you own a second home?
Wardog wrote:
James Johnston wrote:
If your a married couple, you will likely need to prove which is your 'main' residence
Likely, hmmm, unlikely I think to make it into the legislation.
Can the SNP or any govt for that matter really legislate to say that if you are married you can only have one residence but if you are two single folk in a relationship then you can have one each? How on earth is that supposed to work?
Its one thing to lob ideas into a consultation document but its altogether harder to come up with the administrative procedures that will make it work.
This happens at the moment, for tax purposes/capital gains tax you should have be declaring a second home to the HMRC at the moment on your tax return.
You do submit tax returns don't you?
You have told them that you own a second home?
A married couple staying in separate homes is a tax wheeze and you'll get penalised for this.... unless ofcourse your actually earning an income from renting that second property in which case, you'd be liable for LIT & Income tax on that.
www.hmrc.gov.uk/help
sheets/ir283.pdf
To quote the linked HMRC Guidelines
If you are married or in a civil partnership and you are not separated from your spouse or civil partner, you can have only one main residence between you.
If, when you married or registered as civil partners, you each owned a residence and you have continued to use both residences, you can nominate jointly which
is to be the main residence, and the two-year period for doing so begins on the date of marriage or registration as civil partners.
If you are separated, each of you may have a different only or main residence and each may be entitled to relief on any gains arising on the disposal of the residence(s). of any gain that qualifies for relief.
If you do not occupy your new home when you acquire it because you are not able to sell your old home, or you need to carry out refurbishment, you can treat the first 12 months as if the house had been your only or main residence in that period.
In exceptional circumstances we may allow you to treat a longer period (up to a total of two years) in the same way. The same treatment applies when you buy land to build a house on it.
You have told them that you own a second home?
Posted by: Observer on 7:30pm Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]James Johnston[/bold] wrote:
If your a married couple, you will [bold]likely[/bold] need to prove which is your 'main' residence Likely, hmmm, unlikely I think to make it into the legislation. Can the SNP or any govt for that matter really legislate to say that if you are married you can only have one residence but if you are two single folk in a relationship then you can have one each? How on earth is that supposed to work? Its one thing to lob ideas into a consultation document but its altogether harder to come up with the administrative procedures that will make it work.[/quote] D'oh you have the idea, you then have the consultation process to come up with the administrative procedures that will make it work.
James Johnston wrote:
If your a married couple, you will likely need to prove which is your 'main' residence Likely, hmmm, unlikely I think to make it into the legislation. Can the SNP or any govt for that matter really legislate to say that if you are married you can only have one residence but if you are two single folk in a relationship then you can have one each? How on earth is that supposed to work? Its one thing to lob ideas into a consultation document but its altogether harder to come up with the administrative procedures that will make it work.
D'oh you have the idea, you then have the consultation process to come up with the administrative procedures that will make it work.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 7:36pm Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Observer[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]James Johnston[/bold] wrote:
If your a married couple, you will [bold]likely[/bold] need to prove which is your 'main' residence Likely, hmmm, unlikely I think to make it into the legislation. Can the SNP or any govt for that matter really legislate to say that if you are married you can only have one residence but if you are two single folk in a relationship then you can have one each? How on earth is that supposed to work? Its one thing to lob ideas into a consultation document but its altogether harder to come up with the administrative procedures that will make it work.[/quote] D'oh you have the idea, you then have the consultation process to come up with the administrative procedures that will make it work. [/quote]
Hi Observer,
Can't remember if it was you that was advocated the Green's LVT a few weeks back?
I'm slowly becoming a convert but for it;s use to be limited to Local Authorities to administer and for there to be a clear threshold, i.e. it becomes a tax on teh rich/land owner.
Coupled with the General LIT it would seem to offer a number of possibilities, not least redistributing land, whilst the LIT fairly redistributes tax burden.....
I imagine that it could operate much like the second home local tax noted above, to be used at the local authorities discretion to encourage development and regeneration of land whilst raising addition monies directly to Local Authorities.
Observer wrote:
James Johnston wrote:
If your a married couple, you will likely need to prove which is your 'main' residence Likely, hmmm, unlikely I think to make it into the legislation. Can the SNP or any govt for that matter really legislate to say that if you are married you can only have one residence but if you are two single folk in a relationship then you can have one each? How on earth is that supposed to work? Its one thing to lob ideas into a consultation document but its altogether harder to come up with the administrative procedures that will make it work.
D'oh you have the idea, you then have the consultation process to come up with the administrative procedures that will make it work.
Hi Observer,
Can't remember if it was you that was advocated the Green's LVT a few weeks back?
I'm slowly becoming a convert but for it;s use to be limited to Local Authorities to administer and for there to be a clear threshold, i.e. it becomes a tax on teh rich/land owner.
Coupled with the General LIT it would seem to offer a number of possibilities, not least redistributing land, whilst the LIT fairly redistributes tax burden.....
I imagine that it could operate much like the second home local tax noted above, to be used at the local authorities discretion to encourage development and regeneration of land whilst raising addition monies directly to Local Authorities.
Posted by: Jock in the Box, embra on 7:41pm Sun 23 Mar 08
[bold]JC on 12:14am today[/bold]
[quote]Things can only get worse ?????[/quote]
I personally doubt that New Labour will ever reclaim Scotland.Once the numpties realise that they are a spent force in England also some will embrace independence.Even Henry McLeish has realised that its inevitable now.
Of course their will be dinosaurs who will never have a thought which is above the Status Quo.They will soon become the minority.
JC on 12:14am today
Things can only get worse ?????
I personally doubt that New Labour will ever reclaim Scotland.Once the numpties realise that they are a spent force in England also some will embrace independence.Even Henry McLeish has realised that its inevitable now.
Of course their will be dinosaurs who will never have a thought which is above the Status Quo.They will soon become the minority.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 7:43pm Sun 23 Mar 08
[italic]James Johnston, Glasgow & Edinburgh on 7:03pm today[/italic]
[quote]Its one thing to lob ideas into a consultation document but its altogether harder to come up with the administrative procedures that will make it work.[/quote]
Both the LIT & any secondary property tax should simply need access/information related to the HMRC's income tax database and the Land Registry Database.
It could all be very simple but will obviously require fuller detail to ensure all systems work....but that's the point of the consultation document and indeed the consultation exercise asks these questions and gives a variety of possibilities....
I recommend that anyone interested in LIT, contribute towards the consultation, it is the first time I can recall that the public have been asked to their opinion on how they are taxed for local services....
Online Consultation
[bold]tinyurl.com/yw8fo7[/bold]
James Johnston, Glasgow & Edinburgh on 7:03pm today
Its one thing to lob ideas into a consultation document but its altogether harder to come up with the administrative procedures that will make it work.
Both the LIT & any secondary property tax should simply need access/information related to the HMRC's income tax database and the Land Registry Database.
It could all be very simple but will obviously require fuller detail to ensure all systems work....but that's the point of the consultation document and indeed the consultation exercise asks these questions and gives a variety of possibilities....
I recommend that anyone interested in LIT, contribute towards the consultation, it is the first time I can recall that the public have been asked to their opinion on how they are taxed for local services....
Online Consultation
tinyurl.com/yw8fo7
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 7:47pm Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Jock in the Box[/bold] wrote:
[bold]JC on 12:14am today[/bold]
[quote]Things can only get worse ?????[/quote]
I personally doubt that New Labour will ever reclaim Scotland.Once the numpties realise that they are a spent force in England also some will embrace independence.Even Henry McLeish has realised that its inevitable now.
Of course their will be dinosaurs who will never have a thought which is above the Status Quo.They will soon become the minority.[/quote]
Imagine the scene.
Runup to may 2011 Holyrood Election
Labour have been booted out of Westminister with the Tories back in after 13 years in the wilderness.
Scottish labour voting against LIT, whilst the Liberals and the Greens come onboard with concessions from the SNP.
Scottish Labour & the Tories vote against the Referendum Bill and are publicly challenging the Liberals proposals for greater power, the liberals having came onboard the referendum bill with the SNP concession for a second question on more powers which involves FULL Fiscal Autonomy.
Wishful thinking perhaps.....
Perhaps not that wishful.
THING CAN ONLY GTE BETTER INDEED!
Jock in the Box wrote:
JC on 12:14am today
Things can only get worse ?????
I personally doubt that New Labour will ever reclaim Scotland.Once the numpties realise that they are a spent force in England also some will embrace independence.Even Henry McLeish has realised that its inevitable now.
Of course their will be dinosaurs who will never have a thought which is above the Status Quo.They will soon become the minority.
Imagine the scene.
Runup to may 2011 Holyrood Election
Labour have been booted out of Westminister with the Tories back in after 13 years in the wilderness.
Scottish labour voting against LIT, whilst the Liberals and the Greens come onboard with concessions from the SNP.
Scottish Labour & the Tories vote against the Referendum Bill and are publicly challenging the Liberals proposals for greater power, the liberals having came onboard the referendum bill with the SNP concession for a second question on more powers which involves FULL Fiscal Autonomy.
Wishful thinking perhaps.....
Perhaps not that wishful.
THING CAN ONLY GTE BETTER INDEED!
Posted by: Chic Mumba on 8:08pm Sun 23 Mar 08
This just reflects the times we live in.
These are exciting times in Scotland.
There has been for some years a sense of new-found confidence.
Walk the streets of Glasgow, Inverness or Dumfries; look inside the offices of Dundee, Stirling and Greenock or the boardrooms of Aberdeen. You can feel and see the growing confidence.
We have more jobs, more modern apprenticeships than ever before, a better infrastructure and fast growing dynamic industrial and commercial sectors.
Our entrepreneurs and their ideas, drive and skill are there for all the world to see
This just reflects the times we live in.
These are exciting times in Scotland.
There has been for some years a sense of new-found confidence.
Walk the streets of Glasgow, Inverness or Dumfries; look inside the offices of Dundee, Stirling and Greenock or the boardrooms of Aberdeen. You can feel and see the growing confidence.
We have more jobs, more modern apprenticeships than ever before, a better infrastructure and fast growing dynamic industrial and commercial sectors.
Our entrepreneurs and their ideas, drive and skill are there for all the world to see
Posted by: Observer on 8:59pm Sun 23 Mar 08
Hello Wardog, no it wasn't me who was advocating it but I must have read the same thread as you because it certainly caught my iterest too. Definitley an idea the SNP should explore. At the moment I think that what is mapped out is the principle, and it is slowly being coloured in. Hopefully all ideas will be looked at during that process.
Hello Wardog, no it wasn't me who was advocating it but I must have read the same thread as you because it certainly caught my iterest too. Definitley an idea the SNP should explore. At the moment I think that what is mapped out is the principle, and it is slowly being coloured in. Hopefully all ideas will be looked at during that process.
Posted by: James Johnston, Glasgow now but just heading to Edinburgh on 10:15pm Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Wardog[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]James Johnston[/bold] wrote: If your a married couple, you will [bold]likely[/bold] need to prove which is your \'main\' residence Likely, hmmm, unlikely I think to make it into the legislation. Can the SNP or any govt for that matter really legislate to say that if you are married you can only have one residence but if you are two single folk in a relationship then you can have one each? How on earth is that supposed to work? Its one thing to lob ideas into a consultation document but its altogether harder to come up with the administrative procedures that will make it work.[/quote] This happens at the moment, for tax purposes/capital gains tax you should have be declaring a second home to the HMRC at the moment on your tax return. You do submit tax returns don\'t you? You have told them that you own a second home? A married couple staying in separate homes is a tax wheeze and you\'ll get penalised for this.... unless ofcourse your actually earning an income from renting that second property in which case, you\'d be liable for LIT & Income tax on that. [bold]www.hmrc.gov.uk/help sheets/ir283.pdf[/bold] [/quote] [italic]"A married couple staying in separate homes is a tax wheeze"[/italic]
Really? Couldn't it simply be a lifestyle choice? Alex is far too sensible a politician to pass a law requiring married couples to spend every night under the same roof.
[italic]This happens at the moment, for tax purposes/capital gains tax you should have be declaring a second home to the HMRC at the moment on your tax return.[/italic]
In the words of the great communicator, "there you go again"
No second homes here, one for me and one for my spouse. In any event you only need to make a declaration in your tax return when you sell it.
God bless you Mr Salmond.
Wardog wrote:
James Johnston wrote: If your a married couple, you will likely need to prove which is your \'main\' residence Likely, hmmm, unlikely I think to make it into the legislation. Can the SNP or any govt for that matter really legislate to say that if you are married you can only have one residence but if you are two single folk in a relationship then you can have one each? How on earth is that supposed to work? Its one thing to lob ideas into a consultation document but its altogether harder to come up with the administrative procedures that will make it work.
This happens at the moment, for tax purposes/capital gains tax you should have be declaring a second home to the HMRC at the moment on your tax return. You do submit tax returns don\'t you? You have told them that you own a second home? A married couple staying in separate homes is a tax wheeze and you\'ll get penalised for this.... unless ofcourse your actually earning an income from renting that second property in which case, you\'d be liable for LIT & Income tax on that. www.hmrc.gov.uk/help sheets/ir283.pdf
"A married couple staying in separate homes is a tax wheeze"
Really? Couldn't it simply be a lifestyle choice? Alex is far too sensible a politician to pass a law requiring married couples to spend every night under the same roof.
This happens at the moment, for tax purposes/capital gains tax you should have be declaring a second home to the HMRC at the moment on your tax return.
In the words of the great communicator, "there you go again"
No second homes here, one for me and one for my spouse. In any event you only need to make a declaration in your tax return when you sell it.
God bless you Mr Salmond.
Posted by: James Johnston, Glasgow now but just heading to Edinburgh on 10:22pm Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Chic Mumba[/bold] wrote:
This just reflects the times we live in. These are exciting times in Scotland. There has been for some years a sense of new-found confidence. Walk the streets of Glasgow, Inverness or Dumfries; look inside the offices of Dundee, Stirling and Greenock or the boardrooms of Aberdeen. You can feel and see the growing confidence. We have more jobs, more modern apprenticeships than ever before, a better infrastructure and fast growing dynamic industrial and commercial sectors. Our entrepreneurs and their ideas, drive and skill are there for all the world to see[/quote] Hear hear.
When I realised how much better off I would be with council tax abolition my confidence went sky high.
God bless you Mr Salmond.
Chic Mumba wrote:
This just reflects the times we live in. These are exciting times in Scotland. There has been for some years a sense of new-found confidence. Walk the streets of Glasgow, Inverness or Dumfries; look inside the offices of Dundee, Stirling and Greenock or the boardrooms of Aberdeen. You can feel and see the growing confidence. We have more jobs, more modern apprenticeships than ever before, a better infrastructure and fast growing dynamic industrial and commercial sectors. Our entrepreneurs and their ideas, drive and skill are there for all the world to see
Hear hear.
When I realised how much better off I would be with council tax abolition my confidence went sky high.
God bless you Mr Salmond.
Posted by: Astonished, Inverclyde on 10:58pm Sun 23 Mar 08
James Johnston - You provide such believable posts, being a multi-millionaire, that you must be able to answer my question.
Does Wendy Alexander only acknowledge the brown envelopes that come from outwith the UK ?
James Johnston - You provide such believable posts, being a multi-millionaire, that you must be able to answer my question.
Does Wendy Alexander only acknowledge the brown envelopes that come from outwith the UK ?
Posted by: James Johnston, Edinburgh on 11:21pm Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Astonished[/bold] wrote:
James Johnston - You provide such believable posts, being a multi-millionaire, that you must be able to answer my question. Does Wendy Alexander only acknowledge the brown envelopes that come from outwith the UK ?[/quote] Sorry Astonished I have no idea. I am a huge SNP supporter now so I wouldn't dream of sending money to the nulab jackals.
Astonished wrote:
James Johnston - You provide such believable posts, being a multi-millionaire, that you must be able to answer my question. Does Wendy Alexander only acknowledge the brown envelopes that come from outwith the UK ?
Sorry Astonished I have no idea. I am a huge SNP supporter now so I wouldn't dream of sending money to the nulab jackals.
Posted by: Astonished, Inverclyde on 11:35pm Sun 23 Mar 08
I am delighted and surprised that such a mega -rich person as yourself is a huge SNP supporter. Most folk reading these post would have assumed that you were a dishonest Labour droid.
I would welcome your acknowledgement that Labour are the most dishonest, untrustworthy and self -serving party in the history of Scotland. And I would also welcome your opinion on how Ms Wendy Alexander avoided jail ?
I am delighted that you can pay much less if the SNP Government's proposals are enacted. However I am sure you must welcome full independance when the SNP will ensure that everyone in Scotland pays a fair amount according to their income from whatever source.
I think your lucky escape is due to "Mr Darling being the worst chancellor since the invention of numbers.". I wonder if you agree ?
I am delighted and surprised that such a mega -rich person as yourself is a huge SNP supporter. Most folk reading these post would have assumed that you were a dishonest Labour droid.
I would welcome your acknowledgement that Labour are the most dishonest, untrustworthy and self -serving party in the history of Scotland. And I would also welcome your opinion on how Ms Wendy Alexander avoided jail ?
I am delighted that you can pay much less if the SNP Government's proposals are enacted. However I am sure you must welcome full independance when the SNP will ensure that everyone in Scotland pays a fair amount according to their income from whatever source.
I think your lucky escape is due to "Mr Darling being the worst chancellor since the invention of numbers.". I wonder if you agree ?
Posted by: David, Gretna on 12:58am Mon 24 Mar 08
I live in Gretna but I work in Penrith. Does this mean that I don't pay council tax or local income tax? Not complaining but it hardly seems fair.
I live in Gretna but I work in Penrith. Does this mean that I don't pay council tax or local income tax? Not complaining but it hardly seems fair.
Posted by: yvonne, TV Room on 7:22am Mon 24 Mar 08
Hi David, Gretna on 12:58am today.
This is taken from the governments website.I've given you the link but quoted the section on residency. It answers your question. You would still pay LIT.
http://www.scotland.
gov.uk/Publications/
2008/03/11131725/3
Residency Issues
19. People who have to pay local income tax will be "Scottish taxpayers". We intend to define a Scottish taxpayer using the definition already in the Scotland Act. Broadly, this is someone who lives in the UK for income tax purposes, and Scotland is the part of the UK with which they have the closest connection during the year. Someone has their closest connection with Scotland during a year if one or more of the following applies:
a) The number of days they spend in Scotland equals the number spent elsewhere in the UK;
b) They spend a part of the year in Scotland, and their main UK home is in Scotland and used as a residence;
c) They are an MP for a Scottish constituency, an MSP or a member of the European Parliament for a Scottish constituency.
20. In practice this means that where a person's main home is in Scotland, but they spend more than half of the year living outside of Scotland, they may be liable for a local income tax. In addition, where the period of time spent in Scotland in the year is more than the period of time spent in the remainder of the UK, the person would be liable for local income tax.
Hi David, Gretna on 12:58am today.
This is taken from the governments website.I've given you the link but quoted the section on residency. It answers your question. You would still pay LIT.
http://www.scotland.
gov.uk/Publications/
2008/03/11131725/3
Residency Issues
19. People who have to pay local income tax will be "Scottish taxpayers". We intend to define a Scottish taxpayer using the definition already in the Scotland Act. Broadly, this is someone who lives in the UK for income tax purposes, and Scotland is the part of the UK with which they have the closest connection during the year. Someone has their closest connection with Scotland during a year if one or more of the following applies:
a) The number of days they spend in Scotland equals the number spent elsewhere in the UK;
b) They spend a part of the year in Scotland, and their main UK home is in Scotland and used as a residence;
c) They are an MP for a Scottish constituency, an MSP or a member of the European Parliament for a Scottish constituency.
20. In practice this means that where a person's main home is in Scotland, but they spend more than half of the year living outside of Scotland, they may be liable for a local income tax. In addition, where the period of time spent in Scotland in the year is more than the period of time spent in the remainder of the UK, the person would be liable for local income tax.
Posted by: david, Gretna on 10:50am Mon 24 Mar 08
Thanks Yvonne, much obliged.
Not sure that it answers the question though, since it doesn't seem to address what happens if you spend part of the day in England and part of the day in Scotland.
Also if you worked part time in England and spent a lot of your time in Scotland say hill-walking, you would need to be ultra-careful that you didn't come to Scotland too often or else you would fall within the LIT net.
Also if you worked in Scotland but lived in England you could find yourself paying both Council tax and LIT, again seems a bit unfair.
It looks like an awful lot of bureaucracy to me as well as a lot of opportunities for unscrupulous people to dodge the tax. LIT sounds like a good idea but the devil is always in the detail in these things.
Thanks Yvonne, much obliged.
Not sure that it answers the question though, since it doesn't seem to address what happens if you spend part of the day in England and part of the day in Scotland.
Also if you worked part time in England and spent a lot of your time in Scotland say hill-walking, you would need to be ultra-careful that you didn't come to Scotland too often or else you would fall within the LIT net.
Also if you worked in Scotland but lived in England you could find yourself paying both Council tax and LIT, again seems a bit unfair.
It looks like an awful lot of bureaucracy to me as well as a lot of opportunities for unscrupulous people to dodge the tax. LIT sounds like a good idea but the devil is always in the detail in these things.
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