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Panic at the pumps
Grangemouth strike will leave Scotland with 'no fuel for a month'
By John Bynorth and Rachelle Money

SCOTLAND IS today facing the nightmare prospect that it will be without fuel for at least a month' if a strike by workers at the country's only crude oil refinery goes ahead as planned.

The company which runs the Grangemouth plant has begun shutting down its operations on safety grounds after 1200 workers voted to take part in a two-day stoppage from 6am next Sunday INEOS, which also supplies the north of England, issued the warning as the dispute with the Unite union over changes to the firm's lucrative pension scheme escalated to the point where ordinary motorists could face a serious petrol shortage and businesses could go to the wall.

Yesterday saw a day of claim and counter claim as the union and the company, which took over the plant from BP in 2005, fought out a bitter public relations battle for the moral high ground.

Both sides agreed on one thing. Unless a strike is averted, the production slowdown at the Stirlingshire refinery will see a reduction in fuel reaching suppliers by Friday, leaving Scotland without fuel for at least a month' as the plant will take time to be re-start its operations following the strike.

The situation is so serious that Scotland's most senior ministers met in emergency session on Friday to discuss how any strike will be handled soon after talks broke down. But the government is not planning to mediate the talks to avoid a strike. Justice secretary Kenny MacAskill chaired the meeting of the emergency planning sub-committee, which was also attended by the finance minister, John Swinney, deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon and the environment and rural affairs minister, Richard Lochhead at St Andrews House on Friday. They put in place measures to maintain essential supplies.

Officials are in touch with the Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform, which co-ordinates the UK response to the significant distribution of UK oil supplies, the Association of Chief Police Officers, the five major oil giants and several large truck companies following the fuel blockades of refineries by hauliers in 2000 - the last petrol crisis the country faced.

The document outlines emergency measures laid down under the Energy Act 1976 to restrict fuel purchases and prioritise it for the emergency services and utility companies. Criminal penalties can be handed out to anyone caught using fuel for other purposes.

It also includes details of the communications strategy which would be a key part of the UK government-led strategy to calm the public which stresses the importance of identifying key messages' to reassure people.

A series of calming measures' aimed at preparing motorists for fuel shortages, which include advice on how to drive more economically and suggestions to use public transport, and an allocation scheme for bulk users of petrol fuels are part of the memo, which is published in full on the Sunday Herald's website.

The Scottish government also accused both sides of trading blows through the media, instead of through negotiations over the dispute, which centres on changes INEOS wants to make to the final salary pension salary which is non-contributory, unlike most other private companies in the UK.

The firm claims a quarter of the entire money spend on employees goes towards funding the pension scheme, and wants them to pay 6% of their wages, phased over the next seven years, into the fund.

INEOS said it plans to invest £750million using the money saved to turn the plant into a world class' facility which can compete with the rest of the world.

In said in a statement the company said: "Union action has left INEOS with no option but to begin shutting down the site immediately. Fuel shortages are likely to begin in Scotland as early as Friday, April 25, and the whole of Sctland could be without fuel for at least a month.' It continued that the decision to strike will also effectively close down a large proportion of the North Sea oil production and some gas production' as supplies will dry up, affecting the whole of the UK.

Unite spokesman Richard O'Brien accused the company of being intransigent' and going into a public relations frenzy' in attacking the workforce.

He claimed the company has spent the £40m pension pot it inherited after taking over the refinery from BP in 2005 on buying other business, a claim which INEOS has described as completely untrue' and maintains that every penny' is untouched.

O'Brien added: "It's not only the only source of supply to Scotland and the north of England, but the only place where fuel comes in from the North Sea and all the airports in that area as well.

"It was suggested to me that it will take three or four days to start to run down and by the weekend petrol stations will be seeing the effect. Whatever fuel stores left in the plant have priority for the emergency services."

"It produces between one and three million a day in profit. When INEOS bought the refinery from BP, it took the former BP employees who have the best funded pension scheme in the world. It's something they have always enjoyed.

"In order to keep the pension healthy it gave a fully-funded scheme to ILEOS worth £40m. ILEOS took that to use for its acquisitions and other businesses.

"This is an extraordinarily rich company run by James Ratcliffe, one of the richest men in Europe, whose personal fortune according to Forbes magazine is between £1.3-1.8billion."

However, Tom Crotty, chief executive officer of INEOS, urged the union to agree to a sensible pension scheme' that is competitive with other private sector schemes.

He said: "Right now that pension scheme is free. They make no contributions to it whatsoever and they have a pension rate that is at the absolute top end of the scale which doesn't happen anywhere else, so they are not really living in the real world.

"Unless we can be competitive on this site in Grangemouth we can't reinvest in it. We have a re-investment plan that will cost over £750m, but why would we invest in that site if its is uncompetitive?"

Unite claimed contigency measures which could see fuel brought in from other parts of the country may not be enough to keep garage stocks replenished and warned that major airports such as Glasgow, Edinburgh and Aberdeen could be affected, particularly as the Buncefield depot in the south of England has not re-opened following a huge explosion in 2005.

A BP spokeswoman said: "We are doing our best to work with the management to try and understand the situation and the implications (of the strike). We are looking to source alternative supplies from other places to meet the demand, and are doing our best to understand what is happening. There's plenty of tanks at the airports and they have a lot of supplies at the moment."

The RAC Foundation warned motorists not to panic buy, which in the past has led to queues at garage forecourts exacerbating fuel shortages, and fears were expressed that small businesses and haulage firms could be forced out of business after fuel prices soared by more than 20% in the last year.

RAC Foundation spokeswoman Sheila Ranger said: "It's going to be difficult for the motorist, but it's important we don't see panic buying and people getting aggressive. They must plan around that and make sure the impact is minimised. The workforce has a right to make a protest about its pensions."

Stuart Mackinnon of the Federation of Small Businesses in Scotland said: "It's obviously dreadful news for Scotland, which depends on fuel, especially in rural areas. They are going to find this especially difficult. We would urge all parties concerned to resolve this matter for the good of Scotland and the good of Scottish business.

"The onus is on the government, the unions and the oil companies to make sure that this worst case scenario doesn't happen and small businesses aren't going to be affected."

Phil Flanders, director of the Road Haulage Association in Scotland and Northern Ireland, added: "It's a big worry for companies. This could push a few over if they can't get fuel. Money is so tight that a lot of them couldn't afford to buy a tank of bulk fuel in to keep them going through the strike.

"People are going to start panic buying shortly and a lot of haulers will be hoping for a solution before it happens."

Meanwhile, Tesco urged the public and media to stay calm as it had contingency plans to bring reserves of fuel up from England. Spokesman Trevor Datson said: "There is absolutely no reason for customers to panic about this. My worry is that the problem creates itself, people read about panic buying and then go out and panic buy.

"Unfortunately sometimes media reporting gets hysterical but I have to reiterate there are robust contigency plans."

One worker who spoke to the Sunday Herald on condition of anonymity at a BP garage in Paisley Road West, Glasgow, said they are bracing themselves for panic buying once news of the threatened strike spreads on Sunday.

He said: "We haven't seen any yet, but we are bracing ourselves. We fully expect it to be chaos in Glasgow. It's unbelievalge. Petrol prices have been rising so much lately that I can't blame customers for thinking that it's running out.

"A lot more customers are coming in and giving us stick for the high prices, but they don't realise we are not individually responsible.

"I remember the last time there was a fuel crisis and people were panic buying. I'm not really looking forward to next week."

Labour energy spokesman Lewis Macdonald MSP said: "The important thing is these things aren't negotiated by press release, but by getting around the table to talk about it.

"The government needs to keep a close eye from the point of view of consumer interest, but the responsibility lies with the two sides in the dispute to resolve it and avoid the kind of disruption being described as a consequence of a strike.

"Potentially a strike have a big impact as in practical terms it would be difficult to replace that level of supply at short-notice."

A Scottish government spokesperson said: "The Scottish government is closely monitoring the situation, and is fully aware of the potential disruption that could arise.

"The Scottish government is calling on both sides to get together to negotiate and resolve their differences to avert this action, rather than trading commentary in the media.

"In the meantime, the Scottish government, in line with normal procedures, initiated appropriate contingency measures last Thursday. Ministers are being kept informed of developments and are liaising with the UK government, which has responsibility for continuity of oil, gas and fuel supplies."

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Posted by: democrate, oil rich nation on 12:02am Sun 20 Apr 08
This is clearly another fight picked by Alex Salmond.
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 12:17am Sun 20 Apr 08
Why would INEOS worry - with the price of crude rising every day they can sit on their oil and calculate how much profit they're making every day of the strike.
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 12:18am Sun 20 Apr 08
Maybe we should nationalize this industry?
Posted by: democrate, very near to Grangemouth on 12:31am Sun 20 Apr 08
#Scunnert:-

Truly spiffing notion, and the natives won't suspect a thing! Sounds a tad familiar, should we sell it off after we nationalise? (Note to self - once have had shower and removed dye from eyebrows must text Gordo for his view)
Posted by: N, Tibet on 12:34am Sun 20 Apr 08
Get on yer bikes
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 12:35am Sun 20 Apr 08
democrate wrote:
#Scunnert:-

Truly spiffing notion, and the natives won't suspect a thing! Sounds a tad familiar, should we sell it off after we nationalise? (Note to self - once have had shower and removed dye from eyebrows must text Gordo for his view)
Thank you for your support denocrate. Wode can be a bugger tae get oot can it no?
Posted by: Angus, Byres Road on 12:36am Sun 20 Apr 08
It'll never happen for goodness sake.....
Brilliant piece of outflanking by INEOS....
UNITE have been shown up as the amateurs that they are.....lions led by donkeys
Posted by: democrate, Q8 forecourt on 12:38am Sun 20 Apr 08
An opportunity for Scots to show their versatility - pair of old tights and sieve the chipfat, a dawd of white spirit and voila, seez yer biodiesel!
Posted by: Robroy, Glasgow on 12:44am Sun 20 Apr 08
What comments have been made by the UK goverment - if this was happening in southern england "all hands would at the pumps" to resolve this.

If this in the hands of the Scottish Goverment to resolve - are we in charge of of our oil, refineries and distributors ?
Posted by: OAP, Glasgow on 12:51am Sun 20 Apr 08
The Headline says Panic at the Pumps. I am just ikn and passed a number of all night petrol stations and they are quiet. It is headlines like this that cause panic

The media use thes heeadlines to sell newspapers
Posted by: nostress, grangemouth on 12:54am Sun 20 Apr 08
Labour energy spokesman Lewis Macdonald MSP said: "Potentially a strike have a big impact..."

Has Lewis been on the Ali G impersonation course again?
Posted by: OAP, Glasgow on 1:08am Sun 20 Apr 08
The Government ie Westminster should send in a team of experts to ascetain if it is imperative to close this plant for a month as a result of a 2 day strike. Also the Unions must be persuaded to provide safety cover over these two days to avert any closure of the plant
Posted by: David, Scotland on 1:25am Sun 20 Apr 08
OIL IS A RESERVED MATTER. WHAT IS BROWN AND CAIRNS DOING TO RESOLVE THIS MATTER?
Posted by: nostress, grangemouth on 1:26am Sun 20 Apr 08
OAP - the union did offer safety cover...this was declined by INEOS management.
Posted by: Edward, Edinburgh on 1:35am Sun 20 Apr 08
Im curious about this strike
- Why, if they had upto June to discuss the pension greivence, did the union decide to call a strike, which results in the closure of Scotlands only refinery?
- Why did Unite only choose Grangemouth?
I do hope this is not a crude attempt to de-stabalise the Scottish economy by a union with close ties with Labour or is that being paranoid?
Posted by: steve, offshore UK on 1:49am Sun 20 Apr 08
Edward,
The reason why it has taken so long, is that Ineos management refused to talk to representitives about the plundering of the workers pension fund.Thats Right THEIR pension fund ,which BP paid into before they TUPE'd the workers to INEOS.
Now ask yourself this ,if someone suddenly decide to take your pension off you after years of paying into it.Especially if that person is already so rich it would make you cry .What would be your action.
Press hounds should take note ,did'nt a certain fat rich get try do the same to you years ago before he fell off his boat.
Believe me this is going to be big....because it will start to back up the North sea (Grangemouth takes our feed) and when it does we will close in our wells .Then watch the tax dollars go down faster than cheap hooker...
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 1:50am Sun 20 Apr 08
Edward wrote:
Im curious about this strike
- Why, if they had upto June to discuss the pension greivence, did the union decide to call a strike, which results in the closure of Scotlands only refinery?
- Why did Unite only choose Grangemouth?
I do hope this is not a crude attempt to de-stabalise the Scottish economy by a union with close ties with Labour or is that being paranoid?
It's far more likely to be a conspiracy between the company and Westminster.
Posted by: Edward, Edinburgh on 2:01am Sun 20 Apr 08
steve wrote:
Edward, The reason why it has taken so long, is that Ineos management refused to talk to representitives about the plundering of the workers pension fund.Thats Right THEIR pension fund ,which BP paid into before they TUPE'd the workers to INEOS. Now ask yourself this ,if someone suddenly decide to take your pension off you after years of paying into it.Especially if that person is already so rich it would make you cry .What would be your action. Press hounds should take note ,did'nt a certain fat rich get try do the same to you years ago before he fell off his boat. Believe me this is going to be big....because it will start to back up the North sea (Grangemouth takes our feed) and when it does we will close in our wells .Then watch the tax dollars go down faster than cheap hooker...
Point taken
Is Grangemouth the only refinery run by INEOS?
Posted by: nostress on 2:08am Sun 20 Apr 08
Edward, FYI
INEOS runs two refineries in Europe:
Grangemouth and Lavera in France.
Posted by: steve, offshore uk on 2:11am Sun 20 Apr 08
Yep they only own Grangemouth.BP still owns Kineil ,but once it gets there then the only thing is to put it to tanks at dalmeny.Believe me ,they will soon fill up quick.My advice is to panic now and fill up now.This guy is not going to back down and the boys on the plant voted 97% to strike .They are boiling .
Remember this is not about wages or conditions....This is about someone coming in and taking your pension off you.Do not be put off by the smokescreen off the final salary pension scheme being shut.The boys accept that.New people to the plant will have to sign up to that ..thats life these days I'm afraid for new pension schemes.What is at stake here is the funding of existing pension arrangements
Posted by: nostress, grangemouth on 2:24am Sun 20 Apr 08
Re: safety cover issues;

"An agreement has been reached between the union and the company on the safe and orderly shut down of the plant. Previous claims by Ineos that Unite had not given adequate consideration to safety are untrue and deeply upsetting for our members and the local community." Source: UNITE Press release 18 April 2008.

It's not the shutdown that worries me, but the restart - that's when there's the largest risk of something going wrong...might be offline in a coupla weeks - permanently!
Posted by: Brian Blessed, Glasgow on 2:32am Sun 20 Apr 08
A few things apropos of something:

(1) Yes, fill up this weekend. Yes, it's panic buying, yes it's irrational, yes this may well become nothing. Big deal. If you absolutely have to stock up, then stock up. Then laugh uproariously at those who didn't.

(2) Buy a bicycle.

(3) Look into Norwegian Statoil, their final salary pension scheme and conditions of service. Then think about why the he1l Scotland doesn't have a similar scheme. Ask how many strikes their refineries have had.

(4) Four might be related to the Union dividend somehow. I can't think why, for some reason.

(5) Have a gander at the price of Brent Crude. then greet at the fact Scotland has hundreds of thousands in poverty. Ask yourself how many hundreds of thousands live in poverty in Norway. Look again at Statoil. Greet a wee bit more at what our nation could've done since McCrone.

(6) Buy another bicycle and some tinned goods.

(7) Get the hell out of this godforsaken Mid-Atlantic economy and choose something different.

Something that disnae involve gettin shafted to the gall bladder by oil interests. Something that makes a stand against London interests. Something that says "Feck Off" to the vultures.

Obviously, Wendy is the only one who can carry the above off. The great Socialist she is.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 2:34am Sun 20 Apr 08

Kerr-yst! We will just have to get a gunboat off the coast to threaten them with oblivion - a wee gunboat, mind.

Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 2:41am Sun 20 Apr 08
Brian Blessed wrote:
A few things apropos of something:

(1) Yes, fill up this weekend. Yes, it's panic buying, yes it's irrational, yes this may well become nothing. Big deal. If you absolutely have to stock up, then stock up. Then laugh uproariously at those who didn't.

(2) Buy a bicycle.

(3) Look into Norwegian Statoil, their final salary pension scheme and conditions of service. Then think about why the he1l Scotland doesn't have a similar scheme. Ask how many strikes their refineries have had.

(4) Four might be related to the Union dividend somehow. I can't think why, for some reason.

(5) Have a gander at the price of Brent Crude. then greet at the fact Scotland has hundreds of thousands in poverty. Ask yourself how many hundreds of thousands live in poverty in Norway. Look again at Statoil. Greet a wee bit more at what our nation could've done since McCrone.

(6) Buy another bicycle and some tinned goods.

(7) Get the hell out of this godforsaken Mid-Atlantic economy and choose something different.

Something that disnae involve gettin shafted to the gall bladder by oil interests. Something that makes a stand against London interests. Something that says "Feck Off" to the vultures.

Obviously, Wendy is the only one who can carry the above off. The great Socialist she is.
Where dae Ah sign up?
Posted by: Brian Blessed, Glasgow on 2:47am Sun 20 Apr 08
Steve @ offshore UK

The last part of your location I disagree with. The rest of your post is bang on.

These bassas want to steal £40m in pension funds (and the rest) and no worker should tolerate it.

It's pain in the @rse for me, my family and plenty other folk, but there we go - I completely support the strike, support the punters, support the workers and support their final salary pensions.

Ask yourselves who's next for the chop and change?
Posted by: steve, offshore uk on 3:51am Sun 20 Apr 08
Brian,
You're right about the noggies.I'm within spittin' distance of their platforms,and their pay and conditions are years ahead of us.Their Government set out the rules early on to the oil companies about who to employ and how to treat them .The majors still went there and made a fortune.But not in the good old UK.'Here guys take it all adn treat the troops as you like, as long as we get our tax cut on each barrel'
We here are being sold off to speculators ,so I can imagine we'll be next for the pension raid.
So support the strike and don't believe the Media
Posted by: Peak Oil, New York on 5:14am Sun 20 Apr 08
Who cares - the BBC/ London certainly doesn't - you're just a provincial backwater.

1) If you work in the oil industry - you deserve the consequences.

2) If you trust corporations running your pension fund - you deserve the consequences.

3) If you trust the unions - you deserve the consequences.

4) If you have faith in the government - you're an idiot.

The Grangemouth Refinery will be closed and done within 5 years.
Scotland needs to get over oil, and move onto new pastures.

Scotland - "The Nanny State"
Posted by: wee folding bike on 7:54am Sun 20 Apr 08
Hey, what's this with other people saying get a bike? That's MY line.

Anyway... get a bike.
Posted by: Mike, Edinburgh on 7:58am Sun 20 Apr 08
In Australia employees contribute up to 9% of their wages to Superannuation. Emloyers contribute 9% of the Employee wages as well.

This is a National condition and no one can opt out. All donations are put into Super Funds, and cannot be touched by Employers. Employees can only access their Super when they reach the retirement age.

The money for the Super is generally invested in the top 50 companies shares which assist funding for economic growth. It works very well, because companies cannot access it. Obviously in this case the owners of the refinery would never have had access to the employees money. In fact if they did do anything like that Directors would face imprisonment.

The question that needs to be asked is why did the Government of the UK treat employees so badly. Why did they not impliment laws to protect the Employees entitlement.

OH THATS RIGHT,IT WAS THE LONDON CONTROLLED NEW LABOUR PARTY, WHO SUPPORT BIG BUSINESS MORE THAN THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR THEM.
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 8:06am Sun 20 Apr 08
Nationalise it, but not from London, and pay the workers. The greedy oil robbers have gone too far.
Posted by: Politically-incorrec t Man, Glasgow on 8:28am Sun 20 Apr 08
From Forbes magazine;

The World's Billionaires
Number 785 James Ratcliffe

Age: 55
Fortune: self made
Source: chemicals
Net Worth: $1.5 billion
Master of Business Administration
The former engineer turned Ineos into the world's third-largest chemicals company, with $39 billion sales, largely through a series of acquisitions. The biggest: the $8.7 billion deal to buy BP Group's Innovene business in 2005. In December Ineos offices were raided by European Commission competition authorities over its planned buyout of Norway's Norsk Hydro, which the commission suspected was going through without its approval.
Ratcliffe, who owns more than half of the $33 billion (2005 sales) combined entity, now must focus on generating enough cash flow to cover the deal's $10.7 billion debt load.

The company was created in 2008 and is now the third-largest chemical company in the world. Mr Ratcliffe is obviously one smart cookie.

How can one company effectively be the monopoly supplier of petroleum products to Scotland? Where is the “market forces competition” element in that?

Why did the government allow a situation to develop where the nation can in essence be held to ransom for the supply of an essential utility by a company that is effectively owned and controlled by one man?

Democracy my arse!
Posted by: David, Scotland on 9:29am Sun 20 Apr 08
The nuLabour Westminster Government alone have the power to deal with this matter. Not one of the many solutions are within the powers of the Scottish Parliament and Government. Short term London Labour take action. Long term rethink the governance of Scotland. Independence is the clear winner. (Have a look at what happened in Norway in same circumstances but of course they are independent)
Posted by: interstellarmince, outer-space on 9:47am Sun 20 Apr 08
Westminster Snake Oil.
Posted by: exScotsman, Bathgate on 10:29am Sun 20 Apr 08
It's so good to be back home after a holiday in Western Australia.
I love the authentic 1970's atmosphere of union strife, management lies and general doom and gloom.
Now, where did I put that immigration application form?
Posted by: ken Marshall, Lower Greenwich Ca on 11:21am Sun 20 Apr 08
So one man owns a refinery, BIG DEAL, In eastern Canada, ONE FAMILY owns the biggest (and actually the best) refinery, controls all the print media, controls almost all the pulp and paper industry, has fingers in power generation etc.

Get used to it, it is the way the "democratic" governments want things to run!

The rich get the spoils, If you do not earn a couple of million per year, get off the ladder, your job is to hold the ladder while the fraction of one percent can climb higher
Posted by: Fred G on 11:25am Sun 20 Apr 08
Make no mistake-what we are witnessing here is merely the first step of Mr beans ultimate goal in reducing to zero Scotlands capacity for receiving north sea oil and refining it.

Mr bean is alarmed that the Scots have all this wealth being piped direct to its shores and will stop that at all costs!

Indeed, at present, a pipoline is being constructed from a field off Aberdeen to a point in east england-at great extra cost to the taxpayer. This is because it is anathema to bean to have MORE supplies direct to Scotland, which he fears will go independent.

Remember, Bean is the chap who we now know has disowned his birthright (in order to pander to middle england). When asked where he was born, he replied "north britain."

It beggars belief!

O sic a parcel o rogues in a nation.........
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 11:56am Sun 20 Apr 08
Fred G
a pipoline is being constructed from a field off Aberdeen to a point in east England-at great extra cost to the taxpayer.
We shall just have to divert it, or send Jimmy Bond down inside it to investigate.

Any pipeline will be on Scottish soil or in Scottish waters ...

Can you remember the private contractors of the Forth Bridge tolls saying the advent of an SNP government was as remote as a sunflower growing at the North Pole, and therefore their two million pound spend on new toll booths would go ahead? ... well, the booths and hoarding signage are almost finished being dismantled and trucked away to the crusher.

Posted by: mal, Aberdeen on 1:08pm Sun 20 Apr 08
So this mob bought the refinery from BP knowing what the pension was beforehand and now decide that what was acceptable then isn`t now.

The only people allowed to have a life these days are the rich,us peasants should know our place in society and accept it,the delusions of being in a property owning democracy was dreamt up by the Tories as a means to shackle workers to their aspirations.

Best of luck to the workers.
Posted by: redphantom, lochee on 3:28pm Sun 20 Apr 08
The firm claims a quarter of the entire money spend on employees goes towards funding the pension scheme, and wants them to pay 6% of their wages, phased over the next seven years, into the fund.

INEOS said it plans to invest £750million using the money saved to turn the plant into a world class' facility which can compete with the rest of the world.


So the firm want the workers to pay for this upgrade to the plant.

The workers already invest heavily into the plant with time and effort to produce the companies wealth.It is the shareholders' job to invest in the company NOT the workers.

21st century capitalism at it's finest:-
Socialize the risk
Privatize the profit
Posted by: redphantom, lochee on 4:08pm Sun 20 Apr 08
And what will the workers receive for this investment?

Higher wages? I think not.

more probable would be a call during the wage settlement that actually to remain competitive the company canna really afford to pay them so much and still remain competitive so well have to give you a below the cost of living increase.

Which incidentally has been going on since the advent of neo-liberalism in the 70's
Posted by: mikey-offshore pilot, east uk on 5:37pm Sun 20 Apr 08
Interested to hear about the pipeline theory. As I fly over this part of Uk every day jst about, I have noticed a huge pipeline being laid down the East UK coast. Anyone want a pic or video for proof? This thing is one big mofo!
Wonder if it's the one mentioned above.
Also, bout time people stood up for themselves instead of giving in to this sh*t government we have. Bunch of thieves and liars I think.
Posted by: CM, Stirling on 7:14pm Sun 20 Apr 08
http://fuelchaos.wor

dpress.com/
Posted by: Colin, Stirlingshire on 7:23pm Sun 20 Apr 08
Future oil reserves are just off the coast from the Western Isles. Not much noise about it yet, but watch out for the Rockall Trough being given more of a mention very soon.

Vast amounts of the stuff exist there.

Be quick, Scotland - gain independence - claim this new major oilfield and watch a nation prosper.
Posted by: hen b on 7:58pm Sun 20 Apr 08
mikey-offshore pilot, east uk on 5:37pm today
Interested to hear about the pipeline theory. As I fly over this part of Uk every day jst about, I have noticed a huge pipeline being laid down the East UK coast. Anyone want a pic or video for proof? This thing is one big mofo! Wonder if it's the one mentioned above. Also, bout time people stood up for themselves instead of giving in to this sh*t government we have. Bunch of thieves and liars I think.

Wonder if it's the one mentioned above. "


Your d..m right Mikey-the theory is 100% kosher!

Grab some photos and send to Holyrood!

There are no bounds to Beans shenanigans-Wonder where he learned this stuff? Surely not at the manse??
Posted by: Colin Sinclair, Thurso on 8:43pm Sun 20 Apr 08
democrate wrote:
This is clearly another fight picked by Alex Salmond.
Another reason why Scotland can't be independent; the only refinery stops, then need to call in British Government. Scotland needs to stop kidding itself.
Posted by: redphantom, lochee on 8:58pm Sun 20 Apr 08
Another reason why Scotland can't be independent; the only refinery stops, then need to call in British Government. Scotland needs to stop kidding itself.


We could always build another one preferably nearer the highlands and islands (the prices there are ridiculous for an oil producing nation).
but this is not about that. This is about a highly profitable company trying to get it's workforce to pay for it's expansion plans till the day they die.
That is not a workforces job, it is the job of shareholders!
Posted by: nostress, grangemouth on 9:22pm Sun 20 Apr 08
Colin Sinclair - thank you for giving another very strong reason for independence. Oil is actually a reserved matter, so there shouldn't be any need to "call in British government", as you claim. They should be involved already - acting in the best interests of the people of Scotland and the North of England as a matter of course. Part of the Union dividend doncha know!

Of course with independence, we could save them the bother!
Posted by: Ali on 9:43pm Sun 20 Apr 08
You can see why employers want to get rid of defined benefit pension schemes - aside from having to fund the open-ended promise, you become the target of blackmail with a union holding a gun to your head. Unite don't seem to understand that an employer is not obliged to offer a final salry pension scheme. It is entirely at the employer's discretion.

Soon the only DB pensions left will be public sector ones, which the Government has shied away from changing due to union threats to strike and thus damage delivery of essential public services. So everyone in the private sector, as well as carrying the entire risk for their own poor quality money purchase pensions in future, will be funding the guaranteed public sector ones by higher council or whatever other tax come in to replace it.

Wise up - go work for the NHS or the local authority or the civil service - that's where the only good pensions will be in 15-20 years time. If they've not bankrupted us by then of course.
Posted by: Alex Porter, Madrid on 10:07pm Sun 20 Apr 08
Here's a nice wee article about Norway's oil generated wealth. Please remember Scotland's housing schemes whilst you read it.

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Posted by: des a on 10:24pm Sun 20 Apr 08
C sinclair thurso wrote

Another reason why Scotland can't be independent; the only refinery stops, then need to call in British Government. Scotland needs to stop kidding itself."

Hi Colin-I was under the impression that Caithness was well north of numptyland!

I will clearly have to revise my opinion if your level of comment is prevalent in your area!
Posted by: Paul, England on 6:21am Mon 21 Apr 08
Good luck to the Grangemouth boys, about time someone made a stand. It's their pensions and long may it remain that way. While the pension may have a surplus at the moment, markets can change so workers are correct to fight tooth and nail for what is theirs.

Btw offshore Steve, will this shut down the entire Forties system? I read somewhere else that the Kinneil processing plant uses power from Grangemouth, so if they can't process the crude/gas they'll need to start shutting down the rigs. Any ideas, cheers....
Posted by: Chris Graham, Shetland on 4:41pm Sat 26 Apr 08
That has to be the most poorly written and innacurate piece of "journalism" I have read in a long time.
Total closed their pension scheme to new entrants at Milfordhaven in Wales a few years ago. The plant was then bought over by Murco who have reinstated the Final Salary Pension Scheme to all employees. It is the norm in the industry and if Ineos can only survive by cutting employees Terms and Conditions, they should call it a day.
Companies like Esso and Shell pay there employees more and reward them with much bigger pensions than the workforce at Grangemouth can look forward to.
It is about time venture capitalists like Mr Ratcliffe were shown that you can't continue to walk all over ordinary people just so you can make your next Billion.
Posted by: JC on 12:08am Sun 27 Apr 08
Who was it would claimed there was plenty of fuel supplies and who rubbished any suggestions to the contrary- salmond. Who will disappear form public view when the fuel runs out? - yup
Posted by: bill on 12:24am Sun 27 Apr 08
This is just the beginning.
Posted by: Mike, Edinburgh on 1:30am Sun 27 Apr 08
This Facility should be classified as an essential Scottish Facility after Independance and be Nationalised. It can then be run by Contracted Operators with clear guidelines on pensions and employee security.We do not need Cowboys like this guy. An Indeperndant Scotland should initiate a pension scheme that guarantees that the funds are put into a responsable fund management company, independant of both the employees and the company. In many overseas countries it is the norm and compulsory that both employees and employers contribute equal amounts (ie 5% each) to the employee pension fund. That applies to EVERY WORKING PERSON IN THE COUNTRY. A future Independant Scotland would be very silly to ignore the future obligations that an unfunded state pension scheme would leave it with.

Anyway read a bit more about the halfwit who owns the plant now.

"But he then developed a taste for business, acquiring an MBA from the London Business School. In 1989, he was appointed a director of Advent International, an American private equity group, and became steeped in the world of finance.

Since launching Ineos in 1998, he has completed a series of audacious takeovers, then slashed jobs and reformed pension schemes.

Some deals have been controversial. After buying ICI's chlorine business at Runcorn, Cheshire, in 2001, Ineos was awarded £50million of taxpayers' money to keep the plant open.

In March last year, Ineos received £9million from the Scottish Executive to safeguard 410 jobs at Grangemouth.

Three years ago, Mr Ratcliffe bought BP's entire petrochemicals division, including Grangemouth, for £6billion, quadrupling his company's value overnight.

But Ineos's rapid growth has caused it to take on £9billion of debt, including a £430million 'black hole' in its pensions fund.

After the purchase of Grangemouth, Mr Ratcliffe announced he was phasing out BP's generous non-contributory, final salary pension scheme for new employees, sparking union fears over the pensions of existing workers.

Shadow Business Secretary Alan Duncan said last night: "Gordon Brown's destruction of employee pensions has put strikes back on the agenda for Britain. This is one of his particularly ugly chickens coming home to roost."

Posted by: Alan Alba, Ayrshire on 1:37am Sun 27 Apr 08
I'M 53 worked all my days without any pension scheme until January when I had to go on invalidity due to complications with diabetes for the first time in my life. I get £64 per week. Am I in support of the strikers fighting to maintain a final salary scheme for people who have still to join the company. My @rse!
Posted by: Sam, Scotland on 10:07am Sun 27 Apr 08
We need an Independent Scotland now! In an Independent Scotland, a nation of 5 million souls (or less) we could easily achieve a better social structure. The present conditions in Scotland are appalling and shocking considering the VAST wealth of natural resources plundered by Westminster. Unravelling the Establishment wilful damage to this nation won’t be easy but it can be done. We could be masters of out own destiny and have pension/wealth for everyone in Scotland. We would have no need of charity either. The Norwegian Krone is one of the hardest currencies on earth. It’s time to wake up! Norway doesn’t even need the EU.
Posted by: John Saultire, Scotland on 10:34am Sun 27 Apr 08
Brown and Westminster have retained all the real powers to solve this matter. Alex Salmond can only nurse the situation and he is doing a good job there. THE REAL STORY HERE <TO ANSWER THE COMMENT ABOVE THAT INDEPENDENCE DOES NOT BELONG IN THIS FORUM> IS THAT IF THE BRITISH GOVERMENT ARE LOSING £50 MILLION PER DAY FROM JUST ONE FIELD HOW MUCH ARE THE PEOPLE OF SCOTLAND LOSING FROM ALL THEIR OIL FIELDS? And yet we have the highest poverty,the highest fuel. prices and the most impotent parliament in the Western World. Wee Eck is not so wrong after all!
Posted by: ruthie, in peebles today on 10:34am Sun 27 Apr 08
who was it who masterminded the destruction of company pensions again? Ah yes, Mr "north britain" himself! And what is he doing to deal with this reserved matter now? The sooner we get independence the better...
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