Foulkes claimed £45,000 to stay in own London flat Peer branded ‘prize
hypocrite’ by SNPBy Paul Hutcheon
Scottish Political Editor A SENIOR Labour peer has been criticised after he claimed nearly £45,000 in overnight expenses to stay in a property he inherited from his late mother.
George Foulkes, who is also an MSP, billed the public to stay in a London flat registered as his company's address.
His claims were made over a two-year period in which he bought almost £600,000 of property without a mortgage and made £400,000 on another home.
The SNP branded Foulkes, who uncovered details of first minister Alex Salmond's expenses, a "prize hypocrite" and urged him to explain his bill.
Lord Foulkes, a former Labour MP, divides his time between the House of Lords and Holyrood, where he is a Lothians MSP. He was ennobled in 2005.Figures show he claimed £18,623 in "overnight subsistence" in his first year in the Lords and £26,105 in the last financial year. Peers can claim £165.50 tax-free for every night they spend in London on Lords' business.
The Sunday Herald can reveal Foulkes racked up nearly £45,000 in overnight costs for staying in a London flat he inherited from his late mother.
"Netta" Foulkes bought the Lambeth property in 1980, months after her son was elected to Westminster. Property records show he acquired the flat months after her death in 1999, and took a mortgage out on it four years later.
He went on to claw back around £45,000 in "overnight subsistence" for staying in the flat while on Lords' duty, claims that coincided with a flurry of activity in the property market. In 2005, he sold one Edinburgh property and bought another in the capital for £305,000 , without a mortgage. He sold his home in Ayrshire for £600,000 - a deal that made him a £400,000 profit - and bought a cottage in Maybole for £280,000, again without a loan.
His London abode also appears to be the business address for his work as a director and political consultant with Carrick Court Associates, which makes £50,000 per year.
The claims will put further pressure on Westminster to reform its expenses system, and come after Holyrood has been dogged by revelations over MSPs claiming public money for staying in properties linked to relatives.
Foulkes has been a staunch defender of the expenses regime at Holyrood and Westminster, despite a stream of stories about extravagant claims. He described criticisms of the Edinburgh Accommodation Allowance, which allows MSPs to charge the public for their mortgage payments, as "misguided and mischievous".
Foulkes said yesterday: "This is beneath contempt. I have stayed there since 1980. I still have costs in London. I claim for having a flat and overnight stays, including food, travel and taxis.
On whether he planned to reduce his overnight costs in the future, he said: "I don't know. Let's hope the cost of
electricity and other things is maintained at the current level."
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Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 11:42pm Sat 26 Apr 08
I think Foulkes has a place in France too. It should not be difficult to find out.
I think Foulkes has a place in France too. It should not be difficult to find out.
Posted by: Im no really here on 11:46pm Sat 26 Apr 08
Surprise, surprise, surprise.[quote]Foulkes said yesterday: "This is beneath contempt..."[/quote] Yes it is indeed
Surprise, surprise, surprise.
Foulkes said yesterday: "This is beneath contempt..."
Yes it is indeed
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 11:52pm Sat 26 Apr 08
[quote]The SNP branded Foulkes,... a "prize hypocrite" and urged him to explain his bill.[/quote]
A hypocrite aye - but nae prize.
The SNP branded Foulkes,... a "prize hypocrite" and urged him to explain his bill.
A hypocrite aye - but nae prize.
Posted by: frank mcbride, lusitania on 12:16am Sun 27 Apr 08
I wonder if Lord FFoulkes can explain why FULL-TIME workers, like nurses, firefighters, school jannies etc. are not entitled to £165/day (in expenses).
Don't they have similar expenses related to the public employment? Like living cost!!!!!
I wonder if Lord FFoulkes can explain why FULL-TIME workers, like nurses, firefighters, school jannies etc. are not entitled to £165/day (in expenses).
Don't they have similar expenses related to the public employment? Like living cost!!!!!
Posted by: comes around goes around on 12:20am Sun 27 Apr 08
well foulkes moaned about salmond
BUT salmond has bought nothing in London or edinburgh
has foulkes been at the trough??
i hope not
well foulkes moaned about salmond
BUT salmond has bought nothing in London or edinburgh
has foulkes been at the trough??
i hope not
Posted by: Mrs I P Knightly on 12:21am Sun 27 Apr 08
If you don't actually have any expenses to pay in staying at a property you own, why is he claiming? The expenses rules should be revised so you can only claim if you have actual expenditure vouched by receipts.
If you don't actually have any expenses to pay in staying at a property you own, why is he claiming? The expenses rules should be revised so you can only claim if you have actual expenditure vouched by receipts.
Posted by: Ronald, Glasgow on 12:27am Sun 27 Apr 08
HIS BARONSHIP, THE LORD VON DER FOULKES IS A
TRUE NEW-LABOUR "SOCIALIST" HERO, DON'T YOU
KNOW?
AND IS SURELY THE NOBLEST LORD OF THEM ALL.
HELL, I'M JUST WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO BRING UP
THAT UNFORTUNATE INCIDENT WHEN HIS LORDSHIP
WAS ATTACKED IN THE STREET BY AN EIGHTY YEAR
OLD WOMAN, AND A UNIFORMED POLICEMAN. HAVE
THEY NO SHAME?
WE ARE INDEED FORTUNATE TO HAVE SUCH TOWERING
FIGURES AS HIS LORDSHIP AT THE HELM OF OUR
BELOVED "SOCIALIST PARTY" OTHERWISE WHAT
WOULD BECOME OF THE POOR, THE NEEDY, AND THE
OPPRESSED?
HIS BARONSHIP, THE LORD VON DER FOULKES IS A
TRUE NEW-LABOUR "SOCIALIST" HERO, DON'T YOU
KNOW?
AND IS SURELY THE NOBLEST LORD OF THEM ALL.
HELL, I'M JUST WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO BRING UP
THAT UNFORTUNATE INCIDENT WHEN HIS LORDSHIP
WAS ATTACKED IN THE STREET BY AN EIGHTY YEAR
OLD WOMAN, AND A UNIFORMED POLICEMAN. HAVE
THEY NO SHAME?
WE ARE INDEED FORTUNATE TO HAVE SUCH TOWERING
FIGURES AS HIS LORDSHIP AT THE HELM OF OUR
BELOVED "SOCIALIST PARTY" OTHERWISE WHAT
WOULD BECOME OF THE POOR, THE NEEDY, AND THE
OPPRESSED?
Posted by: Oscar on 12:45am Sun 27 Apr 08
"Gosh there's an overwhelming [bold]STENCH of SLEAZE[/bold] about Baron George Foulkes von Cumnock", said this Cybernat.
It's great fun quoting yourself.
"Gosh there's an overwhelming
STENCH of SLEAZE about Baron George Foulkes von Cumnock", said this Cybernat.
It's great fun quoting yourself.
Posted by: Edward, Edinburgh on 12:51am Sun 27 Apr 08
Foulkes is such a hypocritical creep
The only thing thats beneath contempt is actually George Foulkes himself
Foulkes is such a hypocritical creep
The only thing thats beneath contempt is actually George Foulkes himself
Posted by: jim mitchell, sauchie, clack\'s on 12:57am Sun 27 Apr 08
This cannot be correct, as a member of the British establishment Lord Geordie [bold]must[/bold] be honest.
After all British does equal good in all things doesn't it?
This cannot be correct, as a member of the British establishment Lord Geordie
must be honest.
After all British does equal good in all things doesn't it?
Posted by: Im no really here on 1:00am Sun 27 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Mrs I P Knightly[/bold] wrote:
If you don't actually have any expenses to pay in staying at a property you own, why is he claiming? The expenses rules should be revised so you can only claim if you have actual expenditure vouched by receipts.[/quote] Very good point. Who was providing expenses vouchers for him? The flat is registered as his companies address, so I take it that he was getting expenses vouchers provided by his own company. Was he paying his own company these expenses? So in effect he was paying them to himself. I do hope that this income to his company is reflected in its tax returns!! A full forensic Audit is called for here.
BTW - I do too Mrs.
Mrs I P Knightly wrote:
If you don't actually have any expenses to pay in staying at a property you own, why is he claiming? The expenses rules should be revised so you can only claim if you have actual expenditure vouched by receipts.
Very good point. Who was providing expenses vouchers for him? The flat is registered as his companies address, so I take it that he was getting expenses vouchers provided by his own company. Was he paying his own company these expenses? So in effect he was paying them to himself. I do hope that this income to his company is reflected in its tax returns!! A full forensic Audit is called for here.
BTW - I do too Mrs.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 1:02am Sun 27 Apr 08
The Old War Dog himself, caught with his wee fat fingers in the public purse
How will he fib his way out of this one.
The Old War Dog himself, caught with his wee fat fingers in the public purse
How will he fib his way out of this one.
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 1:23am Sun 27 Apr 08
he's a prize something alright. They should scrap these expenses and just pay out of their salary like just about every other profession. Wouls stop all the trough swillers bothering getting elected.
he's a prize something alright. They should scrap these expenses and just pay out of their salary like just about every other profession. Wouls stop all the trough swillers bothering getting elected.
Posted by: big g, polmont on 1:29am Sun 27 Apr 08
[quote]"Gosh there's an overwhelming STENCH of SLEAZE about Baron George Foulkes von Cumnock", said this Cybernat.[/quote]
Thank you for your comments Oscar
I am so glad of your sense of smell
I always have difficulty being able to distinguish one smell from another although I can always smell stale booze.
but dont be to hard on wee Geordie he needs a place to crash when he has had a tiring and emotional day
when the debacle over expenses started i did say that only crooks, mps,lords,labour party hieracy or drunks could justify these expenses
(delete where appropriate)
"Gosh there's an overwhelming STENCH of SLEAZE about Baron George Foulkes von Cumnock", said this Cybernat.
Thank you for your comments Oscar
I am so glad of your sense of smell
I always have difficulty being able to distinguish one smell from another although I can always smell stale booze.
but dont be to hard on wee Geordie he needs a place to crash when he has had a tiring and emotional day
when the debacle over expenses started i did say that only crooks, mps,lords,labour party hieracy or drunks could justify these expenses
(delete where appropriate)
Posted by: Mike, Edinburgh on 1:51am Sun 27 Apr 08
The New Labour Party career politicians who have never had to work a day in the private sector, always seem to have huge financial reserves all over the place. Buy two flats for cash isnt too bad. I wish I could do that, but then again I actually have to work for a living.
The folk of Edinburgh actually voted for this professional sponger, who doesnt want anyone except himself to get on better in their own country.
The New Labour Party career politicians who have never had to work a day in the private sector, always seem to have huge financial reserves all over the place. Buy two flats for cash isnt too bad. I wish I could do that, but then again I actually have to work for a living.
The folk of Edinburgh actually voted for this professional sponger, who doesnt want anyone except himself to get on better in their own country.
Posted by: Guga, Rockall on 3:03am Sun 27 Apr 08
For Foulkesake, this is the drunken sleazebag who is on a retainer from the Hootsmon to provide anti-SNP quotes at the drop of a hat.
He is a memeber of the New Labour Sleaze and Corruption party, so I don't suppose we can expect much else from him. Stealing money from the public purse is second nature to these scumbags.
For Foulkesake, this is the drunken sleazebag who is on a retainer from the Hootsmon to provide anti-SNP quotes at the drop of a hat.
He is a memeber of the New Labour Sleaze and Corruption party, so I don't suppose we can expect much else from him. Stealing money from the public purse is second nature to these scumbags.
Posted by: Russell, USA on 3:15am Sun 27 Apr 08
If the 45k is his expenses from the Lords, that wouldn't include his ability to claim the mortgage interest while an MP before 2005. There could be another two or three years worth of claims on this property.
If the 45k is his expenses from the Lords, that wouldn't include his ability to claim the mortgage interest while an MP before 2005. There could be another two or three years worth of claims on this property.
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 5:55am Sun 27 Apr 08
Labour vs Socialism.
Live like a Lord.
Not bad for Labour's Brit Nat Court Jester
Labour vs Socialism.
Live like a Lord.
Not bad for Labour's Brit Nat Court Jester
Posted by: heady on 8:40am Sun 27 Apr 08
And this low-life represents Labour?
And this low-life represents Labour?
Posted by: JohnnyMac, Here on 8:46am Sun 27 Apr 08
I wish I had the power to conjure up Oliver Cromwell from the grave. Or Guy Fawkes. They'd know what to do.
The People's Party, the one that cares for the poor and dispossessed, seems to have an awful lot of millionaires and multi-property owners. Perhaps they are building up these assets to deal with the twin scourges of poverty and homelessness.....per
haps we have got them all wrong?
I do wonder why the politicians are not more outspoken over events in Grangemouth. Perhaps they are concerned about workers striking over pension rights. Pensions, along with expenses, is another topic politicians are pretty coy over. Could it be anything to do with them enjoying the best pension scheme on planet public sector?
Parliament and the Lords increasingly resembles a 17th century corrupt landed gentry club. People, please remember these frauds at the ballot box.
I wish I had the power to conjure up Oliver Cromwell from the grave. Or Guy Fawkes. They'd know what to do.
The People's Party, the one that cares for the poor and dispossessed, seems to have an awful lot of millionaires and multi-property owners. Perhaps they are building up these assets to deal with the twin scourges of poverty and homelessness.....per
haps we have got them all wrong?
I do wonder why the politicians are not more outspoken over events in Grangemouth. Perhaps they are concerned about workers striking over pension rights. Pensions, along with expenses, is another topic politicians are pretty coy over. Could it be anything to do with them enjoying the best pension scheme on planet public sector?
Parliament and the Lords increasingly resembles a 17th century corrupt landed gentry club. People, please remember these frauds at the ballot box.
Posted by: McSomeone, Scotland on 8:55am Sun 27 Apr 08
And these fools wonder why the public holds them in complete and utter contempt!
And these fools wonder why the public holds them in complete and utter contempt!
Posted by: Scotsgait, www.scotsgait.co.uk on 9:07am Sun 27 Apr 08
[quote][bold]frank mcbride[/bold] wrote:
I wonder if Lord FFoulkes can explain why FULL-TIME workers, like nurses, firefighters, school jannies etc. are not entitled to £165/day (in expenses). Don't they have similar expenses related to the public employment? Like living cost!!!!![/quote] In no way condoning the abuse of the system which some elected members indulge in, to answer to the question posed, most MPs/MSPs/Peers etc do require somewhere to live when they're attending Parliament.
If your work took you away from home, wouldn't you expect to have your addtional expenses to be refunded ?
frank mcbride wrote:
I wonder if Lord FFoulkes can explain why FULL-TIME workers, like nurses, firefighters, school jannies etc. are not entitled to £165/day (in expenses). Don't they have similar expenses related to the public employment? Like living cost!!!!!
In no way condoning the abuse of the system which some elected members indulge in, to answer to the question posed, most MPs/MSPs/Peers etc do require somewhere to live when they're attending Parliament.
If your work took you away from home, wouldn't you expect to have your addtional expenses to be refunded ?
Posted by: Oscar on 9:22am Sun 27 Apr 08
Big G of Polmont, the problem here is that the delightful [bold]TROUGH SWILLING HYPOCRITICAL FREELOADER[/bold] has claimed [bold]FORTY-FIVE THOUSAND POUNDS[/bold] in expenses for a home he already owns, is that he did it
Big G of Polmont, the problem here is that the delightful
TROUGH SWILLING HYPOCRITICAL FREELOADER has claimed
FORTY-FIVE THOUSAND POUNDS in expenses for a home he already owns, is that he did it
Posted by: Oscar on 9:23am Sun 27 Apr 08
[bold]D E L I B E R A T E L Y[/bold]
Posted by: non-reader on 9:28am Sun 27 Apr 08
Half the stories on this crap website are unavailable – wake up!
Half the stories on this crap website are unavailable – wake up!
Posted by: allie on 9:37am Sun 27 Apr 08
i've never had much time for him as a 'politician' anyway, but finally self-righteous hypocritical foulkes has been caught with his big fat snout in the trough - well done for exposing it.
i've never had much time for him as a 'politician' anyway, but finally self-righteous hypocritical foulkes has been caught with his big fat snout in the trough - well done for exposing it.
Posted by: Gary McL, Edinburgh on 9:40am Sun 27 Apr 08
"I claim for having a flat and overnight stays, including [bold]food[/bold] , travel and taxis."
He claims for food, too???
What is there left for him to pay for in life? He certainly doesn't seem to spend much on clothes. But then again maybe he claims for them, too.
No wonder he can buy and sell properties for cash.
The height of hypocracy.
"I claim for having a flat and overnight stays, including
food , travel and taxis."
He claims for food, too???
What is there left for him to pay for in life? He certainly doesn't seem to spend much on clothes. But then again maybe he claims for them, too.
No wonder he can buy and sell properties for cash.
The height of hypocracy.
Posted by: daveymac, web on 9:55am Sun 27 Apr 08
Well done Hutcheon, keep exposing any politician of any creed and start making them accountable.
Lord of the flies, Foulkes is a parasite, but just one of many. Uses loopholes in expense procedures to milk the public purse for all its worth. I hope his constituents see him for the drunken hypocritical parasite he is.
Well done Hutcheon, keep exposing any politician of any creed and start making them accountable.
Lord of the flies, Foulkes is a parasite, but just one of many. Uses loopholes in expense procedures to milk the public purse for all its worth. I hope his constituents see him for the drunken hypocritical parasite he is.
Posted by: Oscar on 10:08am Sun 27 Apr 08
One wonders if Baron George Foulkes von Cumnock represents any Value for Money.
He's spent the best part of the last fifty years greedily sucking on the public teat.
How much public tax payers money has passed through this footpads sweaty fingers in all that time and what has he done for it other than amass a fortune?
I defy any labour supporter to post anyone thing that Foulkes has ever done as a councillor, MP, Lord or MSP that has s benefited the people who voted for him.
He remains Scotland's biggest hypocrite and our body politic would be better off without him.
One wonders if Baron George Foulkes von Cumnock represents any Value for Money.
He's spent the best part of the last fifty years greedily sucking on the public teat.
How much public tax payers money has passed through this footpads sweaty fingers in all that time and what has he done for it other than amass a fortune?
I defy any labour supporter to post anyone thing that Foulkes has ever done as a councillor, MP, Lord or MSP that has s benefited the people who voted for him.
He remains Scotland's biggest hypocrite and our body politic would be better off without him.
Posted by: donald, glasgow on 10:10am Sun 27 Apr 08
Lord of the Lies who ate all the pies.
Lord of the Lies who ate all the pies.
Posted by: Mac, Dundee on 10:18am Sun 27 Apr 08
So Baron George Foulkes von Cumnock has been caught red-handed with his fingers in the Westminster pie. Why are we not surprised!
So Baron George Foulkes von Cumnock has been caught red-handed with his fingers in the Westminster pie. Why are we not surprised!
Posted by: Oscar on 10:28am Sun 27 Apr 08
There you go three ways of telling George to Foulke off.
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Posted by: JamesM on 10:32am Sun 27 Apr 08
Did he ever pay for the whisky he drank in volume before he fought in the gutter with a London polis? Baron Foulkes of Punching Ladies and Policemen.
Did he ever pay for the whisky he drank in volume before he fought in the gutter with a London polis? Baron Foulkes of Punching Ladies and Policemen.
Posted by: bully wee alba, Edinburgh on 10:33am Sun 27 Apr 08
Scotgait
Most of the time your posts are informative and of some interest.
However, I can only think that you are deficient in your usual quantities of caffeine or whatever other stimulant you normally rely upon.
If my, (or indeed your), usual place of work happened to be located 450 miles from our respective residences, would you not anticipate that the employer might reasonably expect that we should relocate to a more convenient domicile?
An enlightened employer may well contribute towards our removal expenses, however, it would be a very rare employer indeed, who would be prepared to fund our continuing commuting expenses from Scotland to London, and then pay us for “renting” our own property in London.
Foulkes is a Grade 1 freeloader, a charlatan, a sponger, a low life 1000 times more odious than a benefits cheat.
Living high on the hog at the taxpayers’ expense, and contributing nothing of any appreciable value, Foulkes epitomises all that is wrong with the corrupt and sleaze-ridden tragedy, which the Labour Party has metamorphosed into.
Franz Kafka may not have had Foulkes in mind when he wrote his somewhat dark and disturbing novel, however, picturing this particular Peer of the Realm as a giant spider with numerous legs dipped into various honey pots of public funding seems eerily appropriate.
Scotgait
Most of the time your posts are informative and of some interest.
However, I can only think that you are deficient in your usual quantities of caffeine or whatever other stimulant you normally rely upon.
If my, (or indeed your), usual place of work happened to be located 450 miles from our respective residences, would you not anticipate that the employer might reasonably expect that we should relocate to a more convenient domicile?
An enlightened employer may well contribute towards our removal expenses, however, it would be a very rare employer indeed, who would be prepared to fund our continuing commuting expenses from Scotland to London, and then pay us for “renting” our own property in London.
Foulkes is a Grade 1 freeloader, a charlatan, a sponger, a low life 1000 times more odious than a benefits cheat.
Living high on the hog at the taxpayers’ expense, and contributing nothing of any appreciable value, Foulkes epitomises all that is wrong with the corrupt and sleaze-ridden tragedy, which the Labour Party has metamorphosed into.
Franz Kafka may not have had Foulkes in mind when he wrote his somewhat dark and disturbing novel, however, picturing this particular Peer of the Realm as a giant spider with numerous legs dipped into various honey pots of public funding seems eerily appropriate.
Posted by: Oscar on 10:38am Sun 27 Apr 08
Alba, if only his father were around to throw apples at him.
You're bang on, Foulkes is no better than a benefits scrounger
Alba, if only his father were around to throw apples at him.
You're bang on, Foulkes is no better than a benefits scrounger
Posted by: Lobeydosser, Woodlands Road on 11:00am Sun 27 Apr 08
Bully We, cracking post, hit the nail on the head.
I wonder if he did this when he was on the board at Hearts?
Bully We, cracking post, hit the nail on the head.
I wonder if he did this when he was on the board at Hearts?
Posted by: For Foulkes Sake, The Accounts Dept on 11:45am Sun 27 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Russell[/bold] wrote:
If the 45k is his expenses from the Lords, that wouldn't include his ability to claim the mortgage interest while an MP before 2005. There could be another two or three years worth of claims on this property.[/quote] Better than that - if he's stayed there since 1980, he'll have been paying rent to mummy all that time through the House of Commons expenses regime.
So, the public purse has already bought the property; he remortgages to continue being eligible for those expenses from the House of Commons; then carries on claiming sky-high expenses for the place after he becomes a Lord.
Getting the taxpayer to buy the same house for you twice over, while you disappear with the equity - nice work if you can get it!
Why is this flat the only part of the Foulkes property empire subject to a mortgage? Surely not because it's the only one he'll still be able to claim taxpayer support for?
Russell wrote:
If the 45k is his expenses from the Lords, that wouldn't include his ability to claim the mortgage interest while an MP before 2005. There could be another two or three years worth of claims on this property.
Better than that - if he's stayed there since 1980, he'll have been paying rent to mummy all that time through the House of Commons expenses regime.
So, the public purse has already bought the property; he remortgages to continue being eligible for those expenses from the House of Commons; then carries on claiming sky-high expenses for the place after he becomes a Lord.
Getting the taxpayer to buy the same house for you twice over, while you disappear with the equity - nice work if you can get it!
Why is this flat the only part of the Foulkes property empire subject to a mortgage? Surely not because it's the only one he'll still be able to claim taxpayer support for?
Posted by: Ronan, Glasgow on 11:46am Sun 27 Apr 08
George Foulkes you are beaneath contempt you disgusting low life
George Foulkes you are beaneath contempt you disgusting low life
Posted by: sam, greenock on 11:48am Sun 27 Apr 08
I must say I was shocked, shocked so I was, to find out that, that old bevvy merchant Foulkes had a house in London.
I always thought he spent the nights in police cells, whilst working at westminster.
I must say I was shocked, shocked so I was, to find out that, that old bevvy merchant Foulkes had a house in London.
I always thought he spent the nights in police cells, whilst working at westminster.
Posted by: George Foulkes, Edinburgh/London/May
bole on 11:57am Sun 27 Apr 08
Awright there troops,
Howzzit gaun (hic)
Jist back from a wee soujorn(at your expence of course) visiting drinking establishments(hic) countrywide.
I can't believe(hic) that there is so much conster....consterna
shun from you great unwashed(hic ) aboot all of this.
I am your better you know (hic) It's ma right to fleece yooz for everything(hic) I can get.
Remember you labour voting scum out there keep voting for me to get all expences paid ****-ups(hic)
Get it right up yeez (hic)
Oi offisher "F" off or I'll batter ye(hic)
Awright there troops,
Howzzit gaun (hic)
Jist back from a wee soujorn(at your expence of course) visiting drinking establishments(hic) countrywide.
I can't believe(hic) that there is so much conster....consterna
shun from you great unwashed(hic ) aboot all of this.
I am your better you know (hic) It's ma right to fleece yooz for everything(hic) I can get.
Remember you labour voting scum out there keep voting for me to get all expences paid ****-ups(hic)
Get it right up yeez (hic)
Oi offisher "F" off or I'll batter ye(hic)
Posted by: Ronald Ronaldson, Glasgow on 12:01pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Ever since his days at Edinburgh Uni in the 1960s, when he came to my notice as assessor or assistant to a rector who committed suicide, Foulkes has been living comfortably off the fat of the land by virtue of his membership of the great Labour family of parasitical party hacks. The dosh from all of this and the kudos have clearly mounted up over time.
My father, who voted Labour at election after election before turning to the SNP in the 1970s, was a hard-working man of some integrity who received a modest income in exchange for good solid honest toil. He had nothing whatever in common with this person.
My father came to understand that the Labour Party had gone bad and that the party of the people in Scotland is the Scottish National Party. Thank goodness that so very many people from all parts of society are now recognizing this at last.
Sneering hypocrites do not deserve the respect or the support of the people. It is time for Scottish Labour to be brushed aside so that Scotland can move forward. It is time.
Ever since his days at Edinburgh Uni in the 1960s, when he came to my notice as assessor or assistant to a rector who committed suicide, Foulkes has been living comfortably off the fat of the land by virtue of his membership of the great Labour family of parasitical party hacks. The dosh from all of this and the kudos have clearly mounted up over time.
My father, who voted Labour at election after election before turning to the SNP in the 1970s, was a hard-working man of some integrity who received a modest income in exchange for good solid honest toil. He had nothing whatever in common with this person.
My father came to understand that the Labour Party had gone bad and that the party of the people in Scotland is the Scottish National Party. Thank goodness that so very many people from all parts of society are now recognizing this at last.
Sneering hypocrites do not deserve the respect or the support of the people. It is time for Scottish Labour to be brushed aside so that Scotland can move forward. It is time.
Posted by: Buckpool Loon, Cheshire on 12:20pm Sun 27 Apr 08
I have some pity for the journalists trying to dig out the facts from these sordid affairs.
It seems pretty obvious they should be issued with JCB's to be able to handle the bulk and depth of this particular cesspit.
From my point of view, the real factor that adds insult to injury is that the beneficiaries are all so bloody incompetent.
I have some pity for the journalists trying to dig out the facts from these sordid affairs.
It seems pretty obvious they should be issued with JCB's to be able to handle the bulk and depth of this particular cesspit.
From my point of view, the real factor that adds insult to injury is that the beneficiaries are all so bloody incompetent.
Posted by: Victor on 12:28pm Sun 27 Apr 08
"And these fools wonder why the public holds them in complete and utter contempt!"
From above by McSomeone @08555 today.
Wrong! They don't wonder - they know, but couldn't care less while they can still get their hands in the till!
The whole caboodle of the current Politicalos, including those in the 'Back Room' allegedly 'watching and supervising these activities of theft by our respected, selected and 'elected' representaives cannot be excused as for such activity to be socsecret and extremely successful, at enormous cost to the taxpayer,could not be achieved without maiive and 'illegal' collusion all the way down the line!!
"And these fools wonder why the public holds them in complete and utter contempt!"
From above by McSomeone @08555 today.
Wrong! They don't wonder - they know, but couldn't care less while they can still get their hands in the till!
The whole caboodle of the current Politicalos, including those in the 'Back Room' allegedly 'watching and supervising these activities of theft by our respected, selected and 'elected' representaives cannot be excused as for such activity to be socsecret and extremely successful, at enormous cost to the taxpayer,could not be achieved without maiive and 'illegal' collusion all the way down the line!!
Posted by: Victor on 12:32pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Victor @ 1228 today.
Correction.
'maiive' on last line should read 'massive'
Victor @ 1228 today.
Correction.
'maiive' on last line should read 'massive'
Posted by: Darren, Panama on 1:21pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Cheerio Baron Foulkesake; but for our sake keep the flat in Lambeth.
Farewell Labour and all the other Scot-unionista ("we cannae survive as a wee countrie on oor ane") cringeworthy pig troughers.
Hello bonny Scotia, coffee smelling v. nice.
Cheerio Baron Foulkesake; but for our sake keep the flat in Lambeth.
Farewell Labour and all the other Scot-unionista ("we cannae survive as a wee countrie on oor ane") cringeworthy pig troughers.
Hello bonny Scotia, coffee smelling v. nice.
Posted by: Observer on 1:26pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Good work Paul Hutcheon.
Posted by: McSomeone, Scotland on 2:45pm Sun 27 Apr 08
For anyone who might be interested. Some research carried out by Harvard University
MPs For Sale
Estimated returns to Office in Post War British Politics
by: Andy Eggers and Jens Hainmueller of Harvard Univesity.
Search for:
MPs_for_Sale_3_22_08
.pdf
For anyone who might be interested. Some research carried out by Harvard University
MPs For Sale
Estimated returns to Office in Post War British Politics
by: Andy Eggers and Jens Hainmueller of Harvard Univesity.
Search for:
MPs_for_Sale_3_22_08
.pdf
Posted by: McSomeone, Scotland on 2:46pm Sun 27 Apr 08
For anyone who might be interested. Some research carried out by Harvard University
MPs For Sale
Estimated returns to Office in Post War British Politics
by: Andy Eggers and Jens Hainmueller of Harvard Univesity.
Search for:
MPs_for_Sale_3_22_08
.pdf
For anyone who might be interested. Some research carried out by Harvard University
MPs For Sale
Estimated returns to Office in Post War British Politics
by: Andy Eggers and Jens Hainmueller of Harvard Univesity.
Search for:
MPs_for_Sale_3_22_08
.pdf
Posted by: Luigi, Aberdeen on 4:22pm Sun 27 Apr 08
That despicible little crook should be behind bars -soundproof cell please!
That despicible little crook should be behind bars -soundproof cell please!
Posted by: Matt, Southerly on 4:35pm Sun 27 Apr 08
NO, Foulkes! It is YOU who are beneath contempt!
You had some neck, whining about Alex Salmond when you are... words fail me.
NO, Foulkes! It is YOU who are beneath contempt!
You had some neck, whining about Alex Salmond when you are... words fail me.
Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 4:47pm Sun 27 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Darren[/bold] wrote:
Cheerio Baron Foulkesake; but for our sake keep the flat in Lambeth. Farewell Labour and all the other Scot-unionista ("we cannae survive as a wee countrie on oor ane") cringeworthy pig troughers. Hello bonny Scotia, coffee smelling v. nice.[/quote] As I said in the first post above, I think Foulkes has a place in France. When he was ready to quit the Commons, rumours spread through Ayrshire and several journos were digging the dirt on him.
Foulkes vehemently denied all claims that he was heading for the Lords and hinted that he and his missus (former provost of South Ayrshire)were going to retire to France.
I think there is more pig muck to be raked up about this warmonger. Journos, keep digging!
Darren wrote:
Cheerio Baron Foulkesake; but for our sake keep the flat in Lambeth. Farewell Labour and all the other Scot-unionista ("we cannae survive as a wee countrie on oor ane") cringeworthy pig troughers. Hello bonny Scotia, coffee smelling v. nice.
As I said in the first post above, I think Foulkes has a place in France. When he was ready to quit the Commons, rumours spread through Ayrshire and several journos were digging the dirt on him.
Foulkes vehemently denied all claims that he was heading for the Lords and hinted that he and his missus (former provost of South Ayrshire)were going to retire to France.
I think there is more pig muck to be raked up about this warmonger. Journos, keep digging!
Posted by: Phil1, edinburgh on 5:05pm Sun 27 Apr 08
This is not about party politics this is about greed.
Some MSPs have affairs and share flats in edinburgh to save on costs, some MSPs get us to pay for their dinner parties in Bude House, Charlotte Square, some MSPs get us to pay £500,000 to take down toll booths that were so new the paint hadn't dried and cost £2 million to put up.
Some MSPs take a particular interest in only special planning applications. Some MSPs once a week make a complaint about something spurious - no its not just Christine Grahame.
Some of the people who rant on this website should remember everyone gets what is coming to them sometime in this life or the next so don't worry your turn will come.
This is not about party politics this is about greed.
Some MSPs have affairs and share flats in edinburgh to save on costs, some MSPs get us to pay for their dinner parties in Bude House, Charlotte Square, some MSPs get us to pay £500,000 to take down toll booths that were so new the paint hadn't dried and cost £2 million to put up.
Some MSPs take a particular interest in only special planning applications. Some MSPs once a week make a complaint about something spurious - no its not just Christine Grahame.
Some of the people who rant on this website should remember everyone gets what is coming to them sometime in this life or the next so don't worry your turn will come.
Posted by: bully wee alba, Edinburgh on 5:28pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Phil1
Some MSP’s implement their promise to remove tolls on the Forth and Tay Bridges, do you object to this?
Where exactly do you think “Bude” House is?
Illiterate, incompetent and incoherent, are you George Foulkes in disguise?
Phil1
Some MSP’s implement their promise to remove tolls on the Forth and Tay Bridges, do you object to this?
Where exactly do you think “Bude” House is?
Illiterate, incompetent and incoherent, are you George Foulkes in disguise?
Posted by: darren, Panama on 5:41pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Duns Scotus - I'm sure there is more muck to be raked on the Baron. The sad thing is that everybody and their granny knew what he and his NL contemporaries were like before May 2007, yet our fellow-Scots still voted them in in fairly large numbers. Wha's like us! The positive thing is he was voted in, and his antics helps swell the ranks of sensible voters taking us back to nationhood. Ditto Mither Broon!
Phil 1 - We Christians are supposed to forgive, remember. Even the Baron deserves forgiveness.
Unite-man - Panama has a historical connection with Scotland you may care to read up on, assuming you can put the works of Marx and Scargill down for a minute.
Duns Scotus - I'm sure there is more muck to be raked on the Baron. The sad thing is that everybody and their granny knew what he and his NL contemporaries were like before May 2007, yet our fellow-Scots still voted them in in fairly large numbers. Wha's like us! The positive thing is he was voted in, and his antics helps swell the ranks of sensible voters taking us back to nationhood. Ditto Mither Broon!
Phil 1 - We Christians are supposed to forgive, remember. Even the Baron deserves forgiveness.
Unite-man - Panama has a historical connection with Scotland you may care to read up on, assuming you can put the works of Marx and Scargill down for a minute.
Posted by: John Saultire, Scotland on 5:44pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Phil re new toll booths...this demonstrates the utter arrogance of Labour and its quaintly named FETA and its former placemen thereon. They rushed through the decision for new toll booths just before the elections. The arrogant ******** of course lost. [bold]Sh[bold]ows contempt for the people of Scotland.[/bold][/bold] The SNP did what it said on the tin...improve the governance of Scotland... LLord FFFOULKES is a greedy hypocritical despiser of the Scottish Nation [bold]and he has been caught out big time![/bold]
Phil re new toll booths...this demonstrates the utter arrogance of Labour and its quaintly named FETA and its former placemen thereon. They rushed through the decision for new toll booths just before the elections. The arrogant ******** of course lost.
Shows contempt for the people of Scotland. The SNP did what it said on the tin...improve the governance of Scotland... LLord FFFOULKES is a greedy hypocritical despiser of the Scottish Nation
and he has been caught out big time! Posted by: Stevie, Glasgow on 7:04pm Sun 27 Apr 08
If He didn't exist you couldn't invent him.
Where's Wullie ,c'mon granite heid where ur ye I want tae see yer comments on yer auld pal George.
If He didn't exist you couldn't invent him.
Where's Wullie ,c'mon granite heid where ur ye I want tae see yer comments on yer auld pal George.
Posted by: CyberNat, Edinbirg on 7:51pm Sun 27 Apr 08
This is a tragedy for George. He did say it himself.
http:// tinyurl.com/3p9gqy
This is a tragedy for George. He did say it himself.
http:// tinyurl.com/3p9gqy
Posted by: strathturret, Montrose on 8:11pm Sun 27 Apr 08
What a wretch.
I'm not surprised though. Another Labour attack dog discredited.
What a wretch.
I'm not surprised though. Another Labour attack dog discredited.
Posted by: Gordon Girvan, Los Angeles on 8:58pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Having been in politics myself, had I behaved like that, I would have been branded as a FOULKING THIEF!!!!!
Having been in politics myself, had I behaved like that, I would have been branded as a FOULKING THIEF!!!!!
Posted by: neil robertson, Dundee on 8:59pm Sun 27 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Ronald Ronaldson[/bold] wrote:
Ever since his days at Edinburgh Uni in the 1960s, when he came to my notice as assessor or assistant to a rector who committed suicide, Foulkes has been living comfortably off the fat of the land by virtue of his membership of the great Labour family of parasitical party hacks. The dosh from all of this and the kudos have clearly mounted up over time. My father, who voted Labour at election after election before turning to the SNP in the 1970s, was a hard-working man of some integrity who received a modest income in exchange for good solid honest toil. He had nothing whatever in common with this person. My father came to understand that the Labour Party had gone bad and that the party of the people in Scotland is the Scottish National Party. Thank goodness that so very many people from all parts of society are now recognizing this at last. Sneering hypocrites do not deserve the respect or the support of the people. It is time for Scottish Labour to be brushed aside so that Scotland can move forward. It is time.[/quote] This is about as low as it gets .... the Rector this sleazebag Ronald Ronaldson is
referring to is a war hero Kenneth Allsop
who only had one leg and who is remembered
by my generation as a talented naturalist
& broadcaster on BBC's 'Tonight'programme:
http://www.thedorset
page.com/people/Kenn
eth_Allsop.htm
Ronald Ronaldson wrote:
Ever since his days at Edinburgh Uni in the 1960s, when he came to my notice as assessor or assistant to a rector who committed suicide, Foulkes has been living comfortably off the fat of the land by virtue of his membership of the great Labour family of parasitical party hacks. The dosh from all of this and the kudos have clearly mounted up over time. My father, who voted Labour at election after election before turning to the SNP in the 1970s, was a hard-working man of some integrity who received a modest income in exchange for good solid honest toil. He had nothing whatever in common with this person. My father came to understand that the Labour Party had gone bad and that the party of the people in Scotland is the Scottish National Party. Thank goodness that so very many people from all parts of society are now recognizing this at last. Sneering hypocrites do not deserve the respect or the support of the people. It is time for Scottish Labour to be brushed aside so that Scotland can move forward. It is time.
This is about as low as it gets .... the Rector this sleazebag Ronald Ronaldson is
referring to is a war hero Kenneth Allsop
who only had one leg and who is remembered
by my generation as a talented naturalist
& broadcaster on BBC's 'Tonight'programme:
http://www.thedorset
page.com/people/Kenn
eth_Allsop.htm
Posted by: neil robertson, Dundee on 9:14pm Sun 27 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Mike[/bold] wrote:
The New Labour Party career politicians who have never had to work a day in the private sector, always seem to have huge financial reserves all over the place. Buy two flats for cash isnt too bad. I wish I could do that, but then again I actually have to work for a living. The folk of Edinburgh actually voted for this professional sponger, who doesnt want anyone except himself to get on better in their own country.[/quote] This too is wildly inaccurate: prior to his election Foulkes was Director of Age Concern in Scotland - as well as being a councillor
in Lothian Region responsible for education.
'His missus' was more closely associated with the private sector at that time - the family
firm Hopes had an outlet in Haymarket for the
aga cookers they supplied to rural Scotland.
I suggest you get your facts straight, comrade,
before branding anyone as a 'sponger'.........
And before you ask: his mother was a hospital matron and you are lucky she is not around to change your bedpan .......
Mike wrote:
The New Labour Party career politicians who have never had to work a day in the private sector, always seem to have huge financial reserves all over the place. Buy two flats for cash isnt too bad. I wish I could do that, but then again I actually have to work for a living. The folk of Edinburgh actually voted for this professional sponger, who doesnt want anyone except himself to get on better in their own country.
This too is wildly inaccurate: prior to his election Foulkes was Director of Age Concern in Scotland - as well as being a councillor
in Lothian Region responsible for education.
'His missus' was more closely associated with the private sector at that time - the family
firm Hopes had an outlet in Haymarket for the
aga cookers they supplied to rural Scotland.
I suggest you get your facts straight, comrade,
before branding anyone as a 'sponger'.........
And before you ask: his mother was a hospital matron and you are lucky she is not around to change your bedpan .......
Posted by: neil robertson, Dundee on 10:03pm Sun 27 Apr 08
The flat in 'Lambeth' is I think actually more towards the Kennington end ... as a crash-pad
for workoholic Scottish MPs its main feature
was the armed policeman on the door guarding
Jim and Audrey Callaghan against IRA attacks
as well as proximity to Westminster - only a
latenight taxiride away after voting at 10pm.
The flat in 'Lambeth' is I think actually more towards the Kennington end ... as a crash-pad
for workoholic Scottish MPs its main feature
was the armed policeman on the door guarding
Jim and Audrey Callaghan against IRA attacks
as well as proximity to Westminster - only a
latenight taxiride away after voting at 10pm.
Posted by: Disgusted Dorothy, Glasgow on 10:27pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Had you not told us Neil , we would not have known !
So your sleazeball remark kind of back fires.
Had you not told us Neil , we would not have known !
So your sleazeball remark kind of back fires.
Posted by: nostress, grangemouth on 10:43pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Neil Robertson - "as a crash-pad
for workoholic Scottish MPs" - don't tell me the noble lord was actually renting out the place as well to these tired and emotional tribunes of the people...still I'm sure he informed HMRC of these arrangements.
His nobleness is also very interested in Carribean Affairs.
Neil Robertson - "as a crash-pad
for workoholic Scottish MPs" - don't tell me the noble lord was actually renting out the place as well to these tired and emotional tribunes of the people...still I'm sure he informed HMRC of these arrangements.
His nobleness is also very interested in Carribean Affairs.
Posted by: Grassy Knollington on 10:43pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Foulkes is a bigger "socialist" than I thought.
A neo-con, Friend of Israel with a title and an inveterate hatred of the SNP. Obsessed with becoming rich and an understandable desire to keep his massive expense claims quiet. All in all, just another Labour politician then.
Foulkes is a bigger "socialist" than I thought.
A neo-con, Friend of Israel with a title and an inveterate hatred of the SNP. Obsessed with becoming rich and an understandable desire to keep his massive expense claims quiet. All in all, just another Labour politician then.
Posted by: wullie on 10:55pm Sun 27 Apr 08
It should come as no surprise that George Foulkes is most probably a multi millionaire and that he claims £180 per night for staying in his mother's old flat.
Wendy may claim that she is a socialist but it clear that all her party colleauges are anything but. And it would appear that neither is she- but hey whats the odd bung from a multi millionair tax exile among friends.
Even the late great Donald Dewar managed to leave an estate reputed to be worth about £4m but as the spin said at the time - he didn't want it for himself!
Ho ho ho! Eat cake all you small people, eat cake.
It should come as no surprise that George Foulkes is most probably a multi millionaire and that he claims £180 per night for staying in his mother's old flat.
Wendy may claim that she is a socialist but it clear that all her party colleauges are anything but. And it would appear that neither is she- but hey whats the odd bung from a multi millionair tax exile among friends.
Even the late great Donald Dewar managed to leave an estate reputed to be worth about £4m but as the spin said at the time - he didn't want it for himself!
Ho ho ho! Eat cake all you small people, eat cake.
Posted by: phil1, Edinburgh on 11:10pm Sun 27 Apr 08
bully wee alba, Edinburgh on 5:28pm today
Good to see you are a bully by name and a bully by nature.
Bude house is in the aviemore /cairngorms area but you knew that surely you've been invited as a SNP type.
bully wee alba, Edinburgh on 5:28pm today
Good to see you are a bully by name and a bully by nature.
Bude house is in the aviemore /cairngorms area but you knew that surely you've been invited as a SNP type.
Posted by: Stevie, Glasgow on 11:13pm Sun 27 Apr 08
[quote][bold]wullie[/bold] wrote:
It should come as no surprise that George Foulkes is most probably a multi millionaire and that he claims £180 per night for staying in his mother's old flat.
Wendy may claim that she is a socialist but it clear that all her party colleauges are anything but. And it would appear that neither is she- but hey whats the odd bung from a multi millionair tax exile among friends.
Even the late great Donald Dewar managed to leave an estate reputed to be worth about £4m but as the spin said at the time - he didn't want it for himself!
Ho ho ho! Eat cake all you small people, eat cake.
[/quote] Wullie .You dissapoint me ,is this the best you can do?.This is George Foulkes for gods sake ,up the abuse man!! don't let this old git off so lightly ,fill yer boots man!!.
wullie wrote:
It should come as no surprise that George Foulkes is most probably a multi millionaire and that he claims £180 per night for staying in his mother's old flat.
Wendy may claim that she is a socialist but it clear that all her party colleauges are anything but. And it would appear that neither is she- but hey whats the odd bung from a multi millionair tax exile among friends.
Even the late great Donald Dewar managed to leave an estate reputed to be worth about £4m but as the spin said at the time - he didn't want it for himself!
Ho ho ho! Eat cake all you small people, eat cake.
Wullie .You dissapoint me ,is this the best you can do?.This is George Foulkes for gods sake ,up the abuse man!! don't let this old git off so lightly ,fill yer boots man!!.
Posted by: frank mcbride, lusitania on 11:15pm Sun 27 Apr 08
Neil.
I'm sure the bit of the ice-pick in Trotsky's head was closer to the pointy end. I do believe there were armed guards there also. You get my point, apologist.
Neil.
I'm sure the bit of the ice-pick in Trotsky's head was closer to the pointy end. I do believe there were armed guards there also. You get my point, apologist.
Posted by: neil robertson, Dundee on 12:14am Mon 28 Apr 08
I am frankly appalled by the tenor of some of the postings above - and this is not the true
voice of Scotland thank goodness ..... George
Foulkes has worked very hard for Scotland. He does indeed have a long-standing interest as well in 'the Caribbean': he sorts out aid for
the victims of the volcanic eruption on one of those islands as I remember when he was Clare
Short's deputy at UK DfID; and he was also I would remind other posters the first serving British Minister to stay overnight - in Gaza.
But his finest hour was probably still that speech he gave in the Saturday debate about
The Falklands - pressing on despite being
barracked by both sides of that jingoistic
House ....
As for Wullie who mentions Wendy: it may
also come as a pleasant surprise to find
out that there was at least one Labour MP
who knows where to find Jersey on the map
and knows that it is a tax haven ........
That MP was George Foulkes who campaigned in
the 1980's for constitutional change in The
Channel Islands and an end to tax privileges
for non-doms who hid their profits there ...
He also touched down once in The Cayman Islands in the 1980's on a similar fact
finding expedition en route to meeting
Fidel Castro in nearby Cuba ..........
But on the key issue of expenses he has
also been a long-time campaigner on that
issue arguing that parliamentarians need
to be properly resourced. His evidence on
this goes back to The Plowden Enquiry in
1984 (if Paul Hutcheon wants to check it
for consistency over time). Plowden was
then Chairman of the Top Salaries Review
Body which looked at MP salaries and the
allowances for staff which up till that
point were pretty meagre. MPs do have to
live somewhere to perform their duties -
and the block of flats in Kennington was
in my view a pretty sensible option back
in the 1980's for Scottish MPs who lived
there (along with Callaghan - who as ex-PM hat Metropolitan Police protection from which
all residents could benefit at no extrsa
cost to the taxpayer.) The IRA threat was
very real in those days - so it is wrong
to make light of that security threat ...
I am frankly appalled by the tenor of some of the postings above - and this is not the true
voice of Scotland thank goodness ..... George
Foulkes has worked very hard for Scotland. He does indeed have a long-standing interest as well in 'the Caribbean': he sorts out aid for
the victims of the volcanic eruption on one of those islands as I remember when he was Clare
Short's deputy at UK DfID; and he was also I would remind other posters the first serving British Minister to stay overnight - in Gaza.
But his finest hour was probably still that speech he gave in the Saturday debate about
The Falklands - pressing on despite being
barracked by both sides of that jingoistic
House ....
As for Wullie who mentions Wendy: it may
also come as a pleasant surprise to find
out that there was at least one Labour MP
who knows where to find Jersey on the map
and knows that it is a tax haven ........
That MP was George Foulkes who campaigned in
the 1980's for constitutional change in The
Channel Islands and an end to tax privileges
for non-doms who hid their profits there ...
He also touched down once in The Cayman Islands in the 1980's on a similar fact
finding expedition en route to meeting
Fidel Castro in nearby Cuba ..........
But on the key issue of expenses he has
also been a long-time campaigner on that
issue arguing that parliamentarians need
to be properly resourced. His evidence on
this goes back to The Plowden Enquiry in
1984 (if Paul Hutcheon wants to check it
for consistency over time). Plowden was
then Chairman of the Top Salaries Review
Body which looked at MP salaries and the
allowances for staff which up till that
point were pretty meagre. MPs do have to
live somewhere to perform their duties -
and the block of flats in Kennington was
in my view a pretty sensible option back
in the 1980's for Scottish MPs who lived
there (along with Callaghan - who as ex-PM hat Metropolitan Police protection from which
all residents could benefit at no extrsa
cost to the taxpayer.) The IRA threat was
very real in those days - so it is wrong
to make light of that security threat ...
Posted by: neil robertson, Dundee on 12:20am Mon 28 Apr 08
And there was also, incidentally, an inquest into the deat of Kenneth Allsop - and an open verdict was returned. That is a matter of public record had Ronaldson cared to check.
The dead have no right of reply alas - and that also goes for Trotsky who would not I
think wish an ice-axe attack on 'Lusitania'.
And there was also, incidentally, an inquest into the deat of Kenneth Allsop - and an open verdict was returned. That is a matter of public record had Ronaldson cared to check.
The dead have no right of reply alas - and that also goes for Trotsky who would not I
think wish an ice-axe attack on 'Lusitania'.
Posted by: For Foulkes Sake - The Accounts Dept on 12:34am Mon 28 Apr 08
Neil - all that is no doubt true. However, does any of it excuse apparently paying for a flat on parliamentary expenses through the 80's and 90's, then taking a fresh mortgage out to get it all paid for a second time at the taxpayers' expense?
£180 a night, £26k a year to stay in somewhere that's already been bought and paid for... Foulkes is at it, he's been caught bang to rights and well you know it!
Interesting also that he runs a political consultancy from there... isn't paid lobbying and political consultancy in breach of the Holyrood code of conduct for MSPs?
Neil - all that is no doubt true. However, does any of it excuse apparently paying for a flat on parliamentary expenses through the 80's and 90's, then taking a fresh mortgage out to get it all paid for a second time at the taxpayers' expense?
£180 a night, £26k a year to stay in somewhere that's already been bought and paid for... Foulkes is at it, he's been caught bang to rights and well you know it!
Interesting also that he runs a political consultancy from there... isn't paid lobbying and political consultancy in breach of the Holyrood code of conduct for MSPs?
Posted by: neil, Dundee on 12:50am Mon 28 Apr 08
[quote][bold]For Foulkes Sake - The Accounts Dept[/bold] wrote:
Neil - all that is no doubt true. However, does any of it excuse apparently paying for a flat on parliamentary expenses through the 80's and 90's, then taking a fresh mortgage out to get it all paid for a second time at the taxpayers' expense? £180 a night, £26k a year to stay in somewhere that's already been bought and paid for... Foulkes is at it, he's been caught bang to rights and well you know it! Interesting also that he runs a political consultancy from there... isn't paid lobbying and political consultancy in breach of the Holyrood code of conduct for MSPs?[/quote] George Foulkes patented the political slogan
'For Foulkes Sake - Vote Labour' in Edinburgh
Pentlands during an election campaign in the
1970's which he lost. 'For Foulkes Sake - The
Accounts Dept' should prepare to get a bill
for breach of copyright unless he behaves too!
I have no brief to defend any politician over their financial affairs - but get facts right.
Paul Hutcheon is always very careful with his
investigations and perhaps other posters need
to learn equal rigour from the article writer.
For Foulkes Sake - The Accounts Dept wrote:
Neil - all that is no doubt true. However, does any of it excuse apparently paying for a flat on parliamentary expenses through the 80's and 90's, then taking a fresh mortgage out to get it all paid for a second time at the taxpayers' expense? £180 a night, £26k a year to stay in somewhere that's already been bought and paid for... Foulkes is at it, he's been caught bang to rights and well you know it! Interesting also that he runs a political consultancy from there... isn't paid lobbying and political consultancy in breach of the Holyrood code of conduct for MSPs?
George Foulkes patented the political slogan
'For Foulkes Sake - Vote Labour' in Edinburgh
Pentlands during an election campaign in the
1970's which he lost. 'For Foulkes Sake - The
Accounts Dept' should prepare to get a bill
for breach of copyright unless he behaves too!
I have no brief to defend any politician over their financial affairs - but get facts right.
Paul Hutcheon is always very careful with his
investigations and perhaps other posters need
to learn equal rigour from the article writer.
Posted by: Christina de Kéroualle, Aberdeen on 2:56pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Here is a photo of a somewhat tired Lord Batman of Lard:
http://www.flickr.co
m/photos/oscarapfel/
1947360844/
Here is a photo of a somewhat tired Lord Batman of Lard:
http://www.flickr.co
m/photos/oscarapfel/
1947360844/
Posted by: Ronald, Glasgow on 3:26pm Mon 28 Apr 08
One has to pose the question to "neil", THE
NOBLE M'LARDSHIP'S admirer; are you simply
howling, barking mad or what? Or does it just
give you pleasure knuckling the forelock to
a degenerate sleaze-ridden windbag as Foulkes?
Lest we forget, this creature was one of the
foremost enthusiasts and cheerleaders for
that great "humanitarian" exercise, the Iraq
bloodfest, along with NEW LABOUR'S Eric Joyce
and Brian Wilson, for which alone he deserves
to be incarcerated for the rest of his life!
One has to pose the question to "neil", THE
NOBLE M'LARDSHIP'S admirer; are you simply
howling, barking mad or what? Or does it just
give you pleasure knuckling the forelock to
a degenerate sleaze-ridden windbag as Foulkes?
Lest we forget, this creature was one of the
foremost enthusiasts and cheerleaders for
that great "humanitarian" exercise, the Iraq
bloodfest, along with NEW LABOUR'S Eric Joyce
and Brian Wilson, for which alone he deserves
to be incarcerated for the rest of his life!
Posted by: neil robertson, Dundee on 7:39pm Mon 28 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Ronald[/bold] wrote:
One has to pose the question to \"neil\", THE NOBLE M\'LARDSHIP\'S admirer; are you simply howling, barking mad or what? Or does it just give you pleasure knuckling the forelock to a degenerate sleaze-ridden windbag as Foulkes? Lest we forget, this creature was one of the foremost enthusiasts and cheerleaders for that great \"humanitarian\" exercise, the Iraq bloodfest, along with NEW LABOUR\'S Eric Joyce and Brian Wilson, for which alone he deserves to be incarcerated for the rest of his life![/quote] I take it from this that you are not man enough to apologise to Kenneth Allsopp &
all the other people you slagged off? So
be it. Let people judge. George Foulkes
wins elections & while not always Right
is at least more Honourable than you sir.
Next time get your facts right and try to
comment on the issues rather than playing
the man. All those Hearts fans trusted him
and respected the principled stand he took;
& they used to weigh his votes in Ayrshire!
Ronald wrote:
One has to pose the question to \"neil\", THE NOBLE M\'LARDSHIP\'S admirer; are you simply howling, barking mad or what? Or does it just give you pleasure knuckling the forelock to a degenerate sleaze-ridden windbag as Foulkes? Lest we forget, this creature was one of the foremost enthusiasts and cheerleaders for that great \"humanitarian\" exercise, the Iraq bloodfest, along with NEW LABOUR\'S Eric Joyce and Brian Wilson, for which alone he deserves to be incarcerated for the rest of his life!
I take it from this that you are not man enough to apologise to Kenneth Allsopp &
all the other people you slagged off? So
be it. Let people judge. George Foulkes
wins elections & while not always Right
is at least more Honourable than you sir.
Next time get your facts right and try to
comment on the issues rather than playing
the man. All those Hearts fans trusted him
and respected the principled stand he took;
& they used to weigh his votes in Ayrshire!
Posted by: neil, Dundee on 7:51pm Mon 28 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Christina de Kéroualle[/bold] wrote:
Here is a photo of a somewhat tired Lord Batman of Lard: http://www.flickr.co m/photos/oscarapfel/ 1947360844/ [/quote] Did you know that Kéroualle was corrupted to
'Carewell' - as a comment on 'the care with which a mistress of the King took in lining
her pocket'? See another [very old] picture:
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Louise_de_K
%C3%A9rouaille,_Duch
ess_of_Portsmouth
Christina de Kéroualle wrote:
Here is a photo of a somewhat tired Lord Batman of Lard: http://www.flickr.co m/photos/oscarapfel/ 1947360844/
Did you know that Kéroualle was corrupted to
'Carewell' - as a comment on 'the care with which a mistress of the King took in lining
her pocket'? See another picture:
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Louise_de_K
%C3%A9rouaille,_Duch
ess_of_Portsmouth
Posted by: Ronald, Glasgow on 9:01pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Er.....at the risk of stating the bleeding
obvious neil ; methinks the Allsop references
might well be best directed to one Ronald
Ronaldson, and not your humble servant!
Think it might be fair to say your not the
brightest firework in the box neil, are you.
Ans you now have to resort to footie fans to
bail out his LORDSHIP !
hahhahahahhahahhahah
haha
As to honour ; if I thought I was a lesser man
than that fat scumbag then it would be a sad
day indeed !!
And do please elaborate - for us lesser
mortals - on YOUR phrase ; "... while not
always right" When in your eyes has THE LORD
been wrong? Do tell !!!
And please do read MY POSTINGS again, and tell
me, and the other readers, what FACTS about
your hero's performances I have written
erroneously.
Er.....at the risk of stating the bleeding
obvious neil ; methinks the Allsop references
might well be best directed to one Ronald
Ronaldson, and not your humble servant!
Think it might be fair to say your not the
brightest firework in the box neil, are you.
Ans you now have to resort to footie fans to
bail out his LORDSHIP !
hahhahahahhahahhahah
haha
As to honour ; if I thought I was a lesser man
than that fat scumbag then it would be a sad
day indeed !!
And do please elaborate - for us lesser
mortals - on YOUR phrase ; "... while not
always right" When in your eyes has THE LORD
been wrong? Do tell !!!
And please do read MY POSTINGS again, and tell
me, and the other readers, what FACTS about
your hero's performances I have written
erroneously.
Posted by: JamesM on 10:13pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Mad Geo F fae Errshirr sez
"Moan then. A'll tak yeez aw wi ma buckie boatle. Moan then!!"
Mad Geo F fae Errshirr sez
"Moan then. A'll tak yeez aw wi ma buckie boatle. Moan then!!"
Posted by: neil robertson, Dundee on 10:46pm Mon 28 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Ronald[/bold] wrote:
Er.....at the risk of stating the bleeding obvious neil ; methinks the Allsop references might well be best directed to one Ronald Ronaldson, and not your humble servant! Think it might be fair to say your not the brightest firework in the box neil, are you. Ans you now have to resort to footie fans to bail out his LORDSHIP ! hahhahahahhahahhahah haha As to honour ; if I thought I was a lesser man than that fat scumbag then it would be a sad day indeed !! And do please elaborate - for us lesser mortals - on YOUR phrase ; \"... while not always right\" When in your eyes has THE LORD been wrong? Do tell !!! And please do read MY POSTINGS again, and tell me, and the other readers, what FACTS about your hero\'s performances I have written erroneously.[/quote] Apologies indeed for confusing you with the other Ronald, Ronald. An 'open verdict' is
not 'suicide' - as I'm sure you will agree.
Happy as well to elaborate on the phrase "while not always right" -
I agreed strongly with George on
the emphasis he gave to a Scottish
Parliament in his earlier political
career. He has an even longer track
record on that than I have - having
first spoken up in support of this
in 1958 I think .....? But I am in
the SNP these days and I support an
independent Scotland. I am also still
in CND so want a nuclear-free Scotland
and continue to be opposed to nuclear
power - a position that George used to
take in Ayrshire where he opposed the
possibility of SSEB building a nuclear
power station at Chapeldonan; and also
opposed test drilling in the Ayrshire
hills for nuclear waste disposal. But
I see from his House of Lords website
that he softened his opposition to the
nuclear power industry more recently.
Ronald wrote:
Er.....at the risk of stating the bleeding obvious neil ; methinks the Allsop references might well be best directed to one Ronald Ronaldson, and not your humble servant! Think it might be fair to say your not the brightest firework in the box neil, are you. Ans you now have to resort to footie fans to bail out his LORDSHIP ! hahhahahahhahahhahah haha As to honour ; if I thought I was a lesser man than that fat scumbag then it would be a sad day indeed !! And do please elaborate - for us lesser mortals - on YOUR phrase ; \"... while not always right\" When in your eyes has THE LORD been wrong? Do tell !!! And please do read MY POSTINGS again, and tell me, and the other readers, what FACTS about your hero\'s performances I have written erroneously.
Apologies indeed for confusing you with the other Ronald, Ronald. An 'open verdict' is
not 'suicide' - as I'm sure you will agree.
Happy as well to elaborate on the phrase "while not always right" -
I agreed strongly with George on
the emphasis he gave to a Scottish
Parliament in his earlier political
career. He has an even longer track
record on that than I have - having
first spoken up in support of this
in 1958 I think .....? But I am in
the SNP these days and I support an
independent Scotland. I am also still
in CND so want a nuclear-free Scotland
and continue to be opposed to nuclear
power - a position that George used to
take in Ayrshire where he opposed the
possibility of SSEB building a nuclear
power station at Chapeldonan; and also
opposed test drilling in the Ayrshire
hills for nuclear waste disposal. But
I see from his House of Lords website
that he softened his opposition to the
nuclear power industry more recently.
Posted by: neil robertson, Dundee on 10:55pm Mon 28 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Ronald[/bold] wrote:
HIS BARONSHIP, THE LORD VON DER FOULKES IS A TRUE NEW-LABOUR \"SOCIALIST\" HERO, DON\'T YOU KNOW? AND IS SURELY THE NOBLEST LORD OF THEM ALL. HELL, I\'M JUST WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO BRING UP THAT UNFORTUNATE INCIDENT WHEN HIS LORDSHIP WAS ATTACKED IN THE STREET BY AN EIGHTY YEAR OLD WOMAN, AND A UNIFORMED POLICEMAN. HAVE THEY NO SHAME? WE ARE INDEED FORTUNATE TO HAVE SUCH TOWERING FIGURES AS HIS LORDSHIP AT THE HELM OF OUR BELOVED \"SOCIALIST PARTY\" OTHERWISE WHAT WOULD BECOME OF THE POOR, THE NEEDY, AND THE OPPRESSED?[/quote] This incident too is a matter of court record,
and it does seem unfair to present a distorted
account of an unfortunate incident that took place nearly 15 years ago and resulted in a fine - and a period of penitence on the back benches: not to mention tabloid humiliation.
George F's record as a lifelong campaigner for
old age pensioners is also a MATTER OF RECORD.
Ronald wrote:
HIS BARONSHIP, THE LORD VON DER FOULKES IS A TRUE NEW-LABOUR \"SOCIALIST\" HERO, DON\'T YOU KNOW? AND IS SURELY THE NOBLEST LORD OF THEM ALL. HELL, I\'M JUST WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO BRING UP THAT UNFORTUNATE INCIDENT WHEN HIS LORDSHIP WAS ATTACKED IN THE STREET BY AN EIGHTY YEAR OLD WOMAN, AND A UNIFORMED POLICEMAN. HAVE THEY NO SHAME? WE ARE INDEED FORTUNATE TO HAVE SUCH TOWERING FIGURES AS HIS LORDSHIP AT THE HELM OF OUR BELOVED \"SOCIALIST PARTY\" OTHERWISE WHAT WOULD BECOME OF THE POOR, THE NEEDY, AND THE OPPRESSED?
This incident too is a matter of court record,
and it does seem unfair to present a distorted
account of an unfortunate incident that took place nearly 15 years ago and resulted in a fine - and a period of penitence on the back benches: not to mention tabloid humiliation.
George F's record as a lifelong campaigner for
old age pensioners is also a MATTER OF RECORD.
Posted by: neil robertson, Dundee on 11:02pm Mon 28 Apr 08
I also enjoyed Alex Salmond's joke about 'Lord George Foulkes' and the SNP improving services
'deliberately!' more than I suspect George did,
though he does have a strong sense of humour. I
actually introduce them to each other long ago!
I also enjoyed Alex Salmond's joke about 'Lord George Foulkes' and the SNP improving services
'deliberately!' more than I suspect George did,
though he does have a strong sense of humour. I
actually introduce them to each other long ago!
Posted by: Ronald, Glasgow on 12:06am Tue 29 Apr 08
Er....Mr Robertson.....pray tell do, how I
distorted the great mans drunken attack on an
old lady in her eighty's,( perhaps this was
part of his "lifelong camaign" for old age
pensioners? ) and a uniformed policeman.
As for his sense of humour, yes he play's the
part of a blustering buffooon to a tee, but
look beyond the mindless rhetoric for a moment
and remember; ONE MILLION DEAD IN IRAQ - WOMEN
KIDDIES AND MEN - thanks to this old animals
activity's. Still proud of HIS LORDSHIP neil ?
Don't run away from this defining, shamefull
and murderous act Mr robertson. Your
deliberate silence on this matter
is begining to deafen !!! And for the love of
Christ, tell me that you were only joking when
you said that you are an SNP member. You see I
had you down as a NEW LABOUR flunky from the
get-go!!
Er....Mr Robertson.....pray tell do, how I
distorted the great mans drunken attack on an
old lady in her eighty's,( perhaps this was
part of his "lifelong camaign" for old age
pensioners? ) and a uniformed policeman.
As for his sense of humour, yes he play's the
part of a blustering buffooon to a tee, but
look beyond the mindless rhetoric for a moment
and remember; ONE MILLION DEAD IN IRAQ - WOMEN
KIDDIES AND MEN - thanks to this old animals
activity's. Still proud of HIS LORDSHIP neil ?
Don't run away from this defining, shamefull
and murderous act Mr robertson. Your
deliberate silence on this matter
is begining to deafen !!! And for the love of
Christ, tell me that you were only joking when
you said that you are an SNP member. You see I
had you down as a NEW LABOUR flunky from the
get-go!!
Posted by: neil, Dundee on 12:36am Tue 29 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Ronald[/bold] wrote:
Er....Mr Robertson.....pray tell do, how I distorted the great mans drunken attack on an old lady in her eighty's,( perhaps this was part of his "lifelong camaign" for old age pensioners? ) and a uniformed policeman. As for his sense of humour, yes he play's the part of a blustering buffooon to a tee, but look beyond the mindless rhetoric for a moment and remember; ONE MILLION DEAD IN IRAQ - WOMEN KIDDIES AND MEN - thanks to this old animals activity's. Still proud of HIS LORDSHIP neil ? Don't run away from this defining, shamefull and murderous act Mr robertson. Your deliberate silence on this matter is begining to deafen !!! And for the love of Christ, tell me that you were only joking when you said that you are an SNP member. You see I had you down as a NEW LABOUR flunky from the get-go!![/quote] Well you got that wrong then too, didn't you?!
Ronald wrote:
Er....Mr Robertson.....pray tell do, how I distorted the great mans drunken attack on an old lady in her eighty's,( perhaps this was part of his "lifelong camaign" for old age pensioners? ) and a uniformed policeman. As for his sense of humour, yes he play's the part of a blustering buffooon to a tee, but look beyond the mindless rhetoric for a moment and remember; ONE MILLION DEAD IN IRAQ - WOMEN KIDDIES AND MEN - thanks to this old animals activity's. Still proud of HIS LORDSHIP neil ? Don't run away from this defining, shamefull and murderous act Mr robertson. Your deliberate silence on this matter is begining to deafen !!! And for the love of Christ, tell me that you were only joking when you said that you are an SNP member. You see I had you down as a NEW LABOUR flunky from the get-go!!
Well you got that wrong then too, didn't you?!
Posted by: Ronald, Glasgow on 12:56am Tue 29 Apr 08
Mmmmmmmmmm mental health issues perhaps ?
I must appologise neil you see I have this
thing about not suffering fools !!!......
I should be patient with the likes of you, and
perhaps even obvious vile, evil scumbags like
Herr Foulkes and his NEW LABOUR bretheren,
but what the hell. I will leave it to some
other long-suffeing sod to try and knock some
sense into you! - Or even shame you if
humanly possible!!
And I see yet again you are such a purile
moral coward the very word Iraq has failed to
emerge from your miserable postings!
Mmmmmmmmmm mental health issues perhaps ?
I must appologise neil you see I have this
thing about not suffering fools !!!......
I should be patient with the likes of you, and
perhaps even obvious vile, evil scumbags like
Herr Foulkes and his NEW LABOUR bretheren,
but what the hell. I will leave it to some
other long-suffeing sod to try and knock some
sense into you! - Or even shame you if
humanly possible!!
And I see yet again you are such a purile
moral coward the very word Iraq has failed to
emerge from your miserable postings!
Posted by: neil, Dundee on 1:07am Tue 29 Apr 08
I have a very long track record on Iraq as well
going back nearly 30 years. NB'purile'has 2E's.
I have a very long track record on Iraq as well
going back nearly 30 years. NB'purile'has 2E's.
Posted by: insommniac, edinburgh on 3:41am Tue 29 Apr 08
I recently joined a petition against HMO quotas which his Lordship wants to introduce here to wreck the property market still further,he having safely netted his 400k profit a few years ago. His reply was so personally abusive and shocking I am very tempted to show it to a journalist. My impression is that the man is losing the plot. Perhaps that is the fate of all of those who travel the route from idealistic socialism in their youth to corrupt opportunism in their dotage. He probably hates himself deep down.
I recently joined a petition against HMO quotas which his Lordship wants to introduce here to wreck the property market still further,he having safely netted his 400k profit a few years ago. His reply was so personally abusive and shocking I am very tempted to show it to a journalist. My impression is that the man is losing the plot. Perhaps that is the fate of all of those who travel the route from idealistic socialism in their youth to corrupt opportunism in their dotage. He probably hates himself deep down.
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