Scotland’s new counter-terrorism chief: neo-Nazis as much of a threat as al-Qaeda Dangers of growing
racism highlightedBy John Bynorth
Home Affairs Editor SCOTLAND'S NEW terror tsar has warned that the threat from right-wing extremism is as damaging to community relations as the menace posed by al-Qaeda.
In an exclusive interview on his first day as the Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland's counter terrorism co-ordinator, Allan Burnett said forces should not ignore the latent neo-Nazi presence across the UK.
Fife's assistant chief constable said the public is at risk because racism is being used to unite people into violent causes. He said this also undermines police work to reassure the Muslim community following the attack on Glasgow Airport last year.
Burnett said: "We've had a number of right-wing issues recently in the UK that again have raised their head in Scotland.
"There have been serious cases down south that have been really well dealt with by the police down there, but we shouldn't be complacent about it.
"There's no point promoting positive race relations if, in claiming to be everyone's co-ordinator of counter terrorism, you take your eye off the right-wing."
Burnett's comments are a reminder of the threats facing communities, following the arrest of an alleged neo-Nazi in Dundee last November.
Martyn Gilleard of Goole, Humberside, will soon stand trial at the Old Bailey, charged with making four nail-bombs and possessing bomb making manuals. Prosecutors will allege he had a right wing "terrorist agenda".
Burnett, a former race relations officer and director of intelligence at Strathclyde Police, is responsible for co-ordinating the country's response to the modern threat of global terrorism. He will also work with UK and international counter terrorism officers.
Burnett plans to combat the threat by developing closer links with communities. This follows his well-praised efforts in the Sighthill area of the city after the murder of Turkish asylum seeker Firsat Dag seven years ago.
The murder sparked rival demonstrations by asylum seekers claiming they were receiving preferential treatment by the authorities.
Burnett said: "I learned that you don't just focus on the minority ethnic community. The solution to those pressing problems involved all the community."
Burnett, 50, who began his police work in Maryhill in 1979, started fighting terrorism at an early stage of his career. As a young Special Branch officer, he was involved in the 1985 operation to arrest Brighton bomber Patrick Magee and several other IRA suspects involved in the attack on Margaret Thatcher and her Cabinet at the Grand Hotel the previous year. They were found at a flat containing a guns' cache in the southside of Glasgow.
He urged communities to be "self-policing" and said the police need to further develop their "preventative strategy", which includes the idea of parents tipping off the police if they suspect their children or other relatives and friends are being "brainwashed" into terrorism via the internet or other activities.
"It's really about making sure young people are not persuaded by terrorist brainwashing, and end up going down a line they, their families, their victims, and relatives, will regret," he said.
"Very quickly, people label communities and say that everybody was guilty or that everybody must have known what was going on after a terrorist incident. There's an awful lot of cases where people genuinely don't know what's going on.
"It's like educating parents about drugs and what signs to look for. We don't get it right if parents don't know what their kids are getting up to behind their backs.
"We must get ourselves into a position where the parents are concerned, even at the lowest levels; that we have something set up where they feel free to come to the authorities.
"We need surveillance - not on communities, but on individuals who are actively involved or supporting terrorist organisations. We have some excellent relations with the community, but they can always be better and deeper."
The security services recently revealed 2000 people are being monitored in the UK, with an unspecified number of others also under surveillance. Burnett, who took over the post from Strathclyde assistant chief constable John Corrigan, said: "I am going to rely on an awful lot of people, understand the fears of their communities, their concerns and get the right balance between human rights and the laws that enable action against terrorist activity to take place."
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Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 11:22pm Sat 3 May 08
If you want to control people, first make them afraid.
If you want to control people, first make them afraid.
Posted by: nouveauxscum on 11:36pm Sat 3 May 08
[quote][bold]Duns Scotus[/bold] wrote:
If you want to control people, first make them afraid.[/quote] Or, in the case of the header - make an arse of it and wait for the punchline.
lol
Duns Scotus wrote:
If you want to control people, first make them afraid.
Or, in the case of the header - make an arse of it and wait for the punchline.
lol
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 1:46am Sun 4 May 08
SCOTLAND'S terror tsar has warned that the threat from right-wing extremism is as damaging to community relations as the menace posed by al-Qaeda.
Gawd almighty, Give me a break. Aye , Govan is full of Franco sympathiser's waxing lyrical about the junta in the tapas bars on Byres road. The peoples republic of central Scotland has always been socialist bordering on the communist led by George Galloway, Tommy Sherriden, Jimmy Reid, Jimmy Knapp , Mick McGahey and a whole host of trade unionists and liebour extremists with the multicultural fanatics who are really Al Queda sympathiser's coming up in the rear. There is no right wing extremists in Scotland. FACT.
SCOTLAND'S terror tsar has warned that the threat from right-wing extremism is as damaging to community relations as the menace posed by al-Qaeda.
Gawd almighty, Give me a break. Aye , Govan is full of Franco sympathiser's waxing lyrical about the junta in the tapas bars on Byres road. The peoples republic of central Scotland has always been socialist bordering on the communist led by George Galloway, Tommy Sherriden, Jimmy Reid, Jimmy Knapp , Mick McGahey and a whole host of trade unionists and liebour extremists with the multicultural fanatics who are really Al Queda sympathiser's coming up in the rear. There is no right wing extremists in Scotland. FACT.
Posted by: Joe Middleton, Edinburgh on 1:58am Sun 4 May 08
Well said for once. The problem is that in England neo Nazis are being elected into local Government!
Oh, and there's a reason why foreign terrorists hate Britain, it's because of it's foreign policy. Change the policy, remove the motivation.
If the UK continues to support the US and Israel and ignores the rights of Palestine then they will be seen as being on the wrong side by a hell of a lot of people.
If they continue to bomb civilians in Iraq and try to impose direct rule on Afghanistan then some of these people will try and take revenge.
Well said for once. The problem is that in England neo Nazis are being elected into local Government!
Oh, and there's a reason why foreign terrorists hate Britain, it's because of it's foreign policy. Change the policy, remove the motivation.
If the UK continues to support the US and Israel and ignores the rights of Palestine then they will be seen as being on the wrong side by a hell of a lot of people.
If they continue to bomb civilians in Iraq and try to impose direct rule on Afghanistan then some of these people will try and take revenge.
Posted by: annonymoose, Glasgow on 2:30am Sun 4 May 08
There are extremists out there, make no mistake and they are of the exact variety described in the article.
Nazi or neo Nazi are really National Socialists. Yes Socialists !!! So even amongst those great Socialists or Communists referred to by Wullie above, there is a touch of the term Nazi. The may not think they are Fascists’ or Racists, but they do to a large extent fit the bill and description of National Socialist, whether Nazi or neo Nazi. Look up Wikipedia. You might get a shock as to how these two terms are being represented.
We do have some seriously deranged and dangerous people in our midst, just waiting on the right leader, or orator, who can touch the right nerve and start the ball rolling.
Never mind the old “Cold War” Reds under the bed, today there is a genuine issue of neo Nazi’s under the bed. Its finding and identifying them.
BNP has increasing support, they do not have anyone with a magnetic or charismatic personality. Someone who can draw people to him. Just as Adolf did and as Osama is doing every day.
This is where one mans freedom fighter becomes another mans terrorist. Its where the parallels are drawn…. One mans nationalist, protectionist and isolationist socialist policies, become another mans fascism. They are not that far apart.
There are extremists out there, make no mistake and they are of the exact variety described in the article.
Nazi or neo Nazi are really National Socialists. Yes Socialists !!! So even amongst those great Socialists or Communists referred to by Wullie above, there is a touch of the term Nazi. The may not think they are Fascists’ or Racists, but they do to a large extent fit the bill and description of National Socialist, whether Nazi or neo Nazi. Look up Wikipedia. You might get a shock as to how these two terms are being represented.
We do have some seriously deranged and dangerous people in our midst, just waiting on the right leader, or orator, who can touch the right nerve and start the ball rolling.
Never mind the old “Cold War” Reds under the bed, today there is a genuine issue of neo Nazi’s under the bed. Its finding and identifying them.
BNP has increasing support, they do not have anyone with a magnetic or charismatic personality. Someone who can draw people to him. Just as Adolf did and as Osama is doing every day.
This is where one mans freedom fighter becomes another mans terrorist. Its where the parallels are drawn…. One mans nationalist, protectionist and isolationist socialist policies, become another mans fascism. They are not that far apart.
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 5:27am Sun 4 May 08
[quote]Mr Allan Burnett joined Fife Constabulary in 2005 from Strathclyde Police after 25 years experience in such things as Counter Terrorism and Serious and Organised Crime as well as heading the Community Safety Team which supported the asylum seekers programme in Glasgow.[/quote]
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Allan Burnett is full ae ****.
Mr Allan Burnett joined Fife Constabulary in 2005 from Strathclyde Police after 25 years experience in such things as Counter Terrorism and Serious and Organised Crime as well as heading the Community Safety Team which supported the asylum seekers programme in Glasgow.
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Allan Burnett is full ae ****.
Posted by: Guga, Rockall on 8:32am Sun 4 May 08
What a load of utter garbage. There may be some racism around, but a lot of that has been brought about by the totalitarian control freaks in the New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party with their demonising of anyone who happens to be a Muslim.
As pointed out above, most of the terrorism was been brought about, initially, by the war criminals Bush and Bliar, now Bush and Broon, and their illegal activities in Iraq as well as their unstinting support for Israel and unending denigration of the palestinians.
If they keep on murdering people in other countries, and these are countries we are not at war with, or supplying huge amounts of arms and money to gangster governments like Israel, then the people of these countries are liable to hit back.
If the New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party had a genuine ethical foreign policy, these problems would not arise.
What a load of utter garbage. There may be some racism around, but a lot of that has been brought about by the totalitarian control freaks in the New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party with their demonising of anyone who happens to be a Muslim.
As pointed out above, most of the terrorism was been brought about, initially, by the war criminals Bush and Bliar, now Bush and Broon, and their illegal activities in Iraq as well as their unstinting support for Israel and unending denigration of the palestinians.
If they keep on murdering people in other countries, and these are countries we are not at war with, or supplying huge amounts of arms and money to gangster governments like Israel, then the people of these countries are liable to hit back.
If the New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party had a genuine ethical foreign policy, these problems would not arise.
Posted by: heady on 9:45am Sun 4 May 08
[quote][bold]Wullie[/bold] wrote:
SCOTLAND'S terror tsar has warned that the threat from right-wing extremism is as damaging to community relations as the menace posed by al-Qaeda. Gawd almighty, Give me a break. Aye , Govan is full of Franco sympathiser's waxing lyrical about the junta in the tapas bars on Byres road. The peoples republic of central Scotland has always been socialist bordering on the communist led by George Galloway, Tommy Sherriden, Jimmy Reid, Jimmy Knapp , Mick McGahey and a whole host of trade unionists and liebour extremists with the multicultural fanatics who are really Al Queda sympathiser's coming up in the rear. There is no right wing extremists in Scotland. FACT.[/quote] There are some very unpleasant racists operating in Scotland as anyone who reads the comments on stories in the Herald and Sunday Herald would know. Some of them are joined by homophobes. Some people manage to combine both in their gross bigoted frames.
Wullie wrote:
SCOTLAND'S terror tsar has warned that the threat from right-wing extremism is as damaging to community relations as the menace posed by al-Qaeda. Gawd almighty, Give me a break. Aye , Govan is full of Franco sympathiser's waxing lyrical about the junta in the tapas bars on Byres road. The peoples republic of central Scotland has always been socialist bordering on the communist led by George Galloway, Tommy Sherriden, Jimmy Reid, Jimmy Knapp , Mick McGahey and a whole host of trade unionists and liebour extremists with the multicultural fanatics who are really Al Queda sympathiser's coming up in the rear. There is no right wing extremists in Scotland. FACT.
There are some very unpleasant racists operating in Scotland as anyone who reads the comments on stories in the Herald and Sunday Herald would know. Some of them are joined by homophobes. Some people manage to combine both in their gross bigoted frames.
Posted by: BM, Glasgow on 9:48am Sun 4 May 08
Whwen that right wing extremism comes from Gordon Brown and his Nazi henchmen, what hope have we? When they run a concentration camp at Dungavel and indulge in Gestapo style dawn raids dragging children out of their beds to throw them into adult prisons, what hope does the country have? When a terminally ill patient is dragged from her hospital bed and deported, to die from lack of treatment, all because she ids fro an unacceptable race, what has the country come to? New Labour are an evil racist party, every bit as bad as Hitler's Nazis, so is it any wonder the population follows the example of those who should know better?
Whwen that right wing extremism comes from Gordon Brown and his Nazi henchmen, what hope have we? When they run a concentration camp at Dungavel and indulge in Gestapo style dawn raids dragging children out of their beds to throw them into adult prisons, what hope does the country have? When a terminally ill patient is dragged from her hospital bed and deported, to die from lack of treatment, all because she ids fro an unacceptable race, what has the country come to? New Labour are an evil racist party, every bit as bad as Hitler's Nazis, so is it any wonder the population follows the example of those who should know better?
Posted by: lobeydosser, Woodlands Road on 10:03am Sun 4 May 08
This is all very well Mr Burnett, but have you forgotten about the IRA,INLA,UVF & UDA sympathisers still operating in West central Scotland and all the sectarian bigotry that erupts from that?
Whilst looking the other way at Al-Qaeda and the BNP, you may miss whats going on under your own back yard.
This is all very well Mr Burnett, but have you forgotten about the IRA,INLA,UVF & UDA sympathisers still operating in West central Scotland and all the sectarian bigotry that erupts from that?
Whilst looking the other way at Al-Qaeda and the BNP, you may miss whats going on under your own back yard.
Posted by: Dave, Glasgow on 10:13am Sun 4 May 08
BM, Glasgow ranted ....
[quote]Gordon Brown and his Nazi henchmen
concentration camp at Dungavel
Gestapo style dawn raids
dragging children out of their beds to throw them into adult prisons
terminally ill patient is dragged from her hospital bed and deported, to die from lack of treatment, all because she ids fro an unacceptable race
New Labour are an evil racist party, every bit as bad as Hitler's Nazis[/quote]
What a load of absolute garbage. Away and read yer comics.
BM, Glasgow ranted ....
Gordon Brown and his Nazi henchmen
concentration camp at Dungavel
Gestapo style dawn raids
dragging children out of their beds to throw them into adult prisons
terminally ill patient is dragged from her hospital bed and deported, to die from lack of treatment, all because she ids fro an unacceptable race
New Labour are an evil racist party, every bit as bad as Hitler's Nazis
What a load of absolute garbage. Away and read yer comics.
Posted by: Stevie, Glasgow on 11:11am Sun 4 May 08
[quote][bold]Wullie[/bold] wrote:
SCOTLAND\'S terror tsar has warned that the threat from right-wing extremism is as damaging to community relations as the menace posed by al-Qaeda.
Gawd almighty, Give me a break. Aye , Govan is full of Franco sympathiser\'s waxing lyrical about the junta in the tapas bars on Byres road. The peoples republic of central Scotland has always been socialist bordering on the communist led by George Galloway, Tommy Sherriden, Jimmy Reid, Jimmy Knapp , Mick McGahey and a whole host of trade unionists and liebour extremists with the multicultural fanatics who are really Al Queda sympathiser\'s coming up in the rear. There is no right wing extremists in Scotland. FACT.[/quote] Another day, another Rant ,eh Wullie.
Morning fish heid ,saw yer last post (if only) so I left you a wee reply .
Back to this drivel you've spouted here .If it were not for left wingers you and yours would not be enjoying the benefits you now have ,I can't say I agree with the politics of all those on your list.Make up another one with the names of right wing politicians who have given anything that benefits you now.As for Franco I doubt you know enough about him other than Churchill was his best pal.
Time for you to drop the paranoia about the left Wullie it's not healthy.
Look what happened to Enoch spent 25 years quoting the Greeks and learned nothing ,he more than anybody should have known.
"Those the Gods Wish To Destroy,First Make Mad".
Wullie wrote:
SCOTLAND\'S terror tsar has warned that the threat from right-wing extremism is as damaging to community relations as the menace posed by al-Qaeda.
Gawd almighty, Give me a break. Aye , Govan is full of Franco sympathiser\'s waxing lyrical about the junta in the tapas bars on Byres road. The peoples republic of central Scotland has always been socialist bordering on the communist led by George Galloway, Tommy Sherriden, Jimmy Reid, Jimmy Knapp , Mick McGahey and a whole host of trade unionists and liebour extremists with the multicultural fanatics who are really Al Queda sympathiser\'s coming up in the rear. There is no right wing extremists in Scotland. FACT.
Another day, another Rant ,eh Wullie.
Morning fish heid ,saw yer last post (if only) so I left you a wee reply .
Back to this drivel you've spouted here .If it were not for left wingers you and yours would not be enjoying the benefits you now have ,I can't say I agree with the politics of all those on your list.Make up another one with the names of right wing politicians who have given anything that benefits you now.As for Franco I doubt you know enough about him other than Churchill was his best pal.
Time for you to drop the paranoia about the left Wullie it's not healthy.
Look what happened to Enoch spent 25 years quoting the Greeks and learned nothing ,he more than anybody should have known.
"Those the Gods Wish To Destroy,First Make Mad".
Posted by: phil1, Edinburgh on 11:17am Sun 4 May 08
[quote][bold]BM[/bold] wrote:
Whwen that right wing extremism comes from Gordon Brown and his Nazi henchmen, what hope have we? When they run a concentration camp at Dungavel and indulge in Gestapo style dawn raids dragging children out of their beds to throw them into adult prisons, what hope does the country have? When a terminally ill patient is dragged from her hospital bed and deported, to die from lack of treatment, all because she ids fro an unacceptable race, what has the country come to? New Labour are an evil racist party, every bit as bad as Hitler's Nazis, so is it any wonder the population follows the example of those who should know better?[/quote] BM of course exaggerates - at least I hope it was.
Comparing UK's immigration policy to NAZI concentration camp extermination of up to 9 million, jews, gypsies, homosexuals, mentally disabled etc, would be laughable if it wasn't so 'sick'.
Come on BM if people sneak and lie their way into the UK by breaking our immigration laws and then try and claim benefits or free hospital treatment and won't leave when they lose the court case what should a government do ?
Leave them be or enforce the law?
If you want to support them you could start a charity and build them homes in their own country - perhaps you could go there and help them?
No I think your kind of tirade causes ordinary people to despair and go and vote BNP - perhaps you are BNP pretending to be a 'woolly thinking middle class liberal'.
Phew I am glad I thought of that explanation for your nazi rant.
BM wrote:
Whwen that right wing extremism comes from Gordon Brown and his Nazi henchmen, what hope have we? When they run a concentration camp at Dungavel and indulge in Gestapo style dawn raids dragging children out of their beds to throw them into adult prisons, what hope does the country have? When a terminally ill patient is dragged from her hospital bed and deported, to die from lack of treatment, all because she ids fro an unacceptable race, what has the country come to? New Labour are an evil racist party, every bit as bad as Hitler's Nazis, so is it any wonder the population follows the example of those who should know better?
BM of course exaggerates - at least I hope it was.
Comparing UK's immigration policy to NAZI concentration camp extermination of up to 9 million, jews, gypsies, homosexuals, mentally disabled etc, would be laughable if it wasn't so 'sick'.
Come on BM if people sneak and lie their way into the UK by breaking our immigration laws and then try and claim benefits or free hospital treatment and won't leave when they lose the court case what should a government do ?
Leave them be or enforce the law?
If you want to support them you could start a charity and build them homes in their own country - perhaps you could go there and help them?
No I think your kind of tirade causes ordinary people to despair and go and vote BNP - perhaps you are BNP pretending to be a 'woolly thinking middle class liberal'.
Phew I am glad I thought of that explanation for your nazi rant.
Posted by: Craig P on 11:32am Sun 4 May 08
No neo nazi's in Scotland....Sounds like the cry from the German people regarding the death camps.." oh we didn't know what was happening" Get a grip! This copper was involved in arresting an IRA team in GLasgow so he is unlikely to forget about them. Oh and when was the last time an Irish terror organisation targeted Scotland? NEVER! But the radical islamists have. HIs point is that in order to fight extremism society has to be aware of what is happening within its own communities and that there has to be some way of any suspicious behaviour/ persons activties being brought to the attention of the Police. Not just in the Muslim communities but in ALL our communities.
No neo nazi's in Scotland....Sounds like the cry from the German people regarding the death camps.." oh we didn't know what was happening" Get a grip! This copper was involved in arresting an IRA team in GLasgow so he is unlikely to forget about them. Oh and when was the last time an Irish terror organisation targeted Scotland? NEVER! But the radical islamists have. HIs point is that in order to fight extremism society has to be aware of what is happening within its own communities and that there has to be some way of any suspicious behaviour/ persons activties being brought to the attention of the Police. Not just in the Muslim communities but in ALL our communities.
Posted by: Celtic Lion, Roar on 11:37am Sun 4 May 08
[bold]BM[/bold], Glasgow on 9:48am today
I'm not a fan of the Labour party myself, far from it. I find them deeply immoral and lacking conviction in everything they claim to stand for. I have serious concerns about where they are taking the UK with the (terror) claim of protecting us from terrorists and telling us we ought to “sacrifice our liberty in order to protect our freedom.” I also believe a number of the Labour ministers ought to stand trial for the invasion of Iraq, and though I believe Salmond's move to block Blair taking presidency of Europe is much about political opportunism as anything else I think the reasons he gives are sound and I wish him every success.
The world is not black and white though, and Labour are not a Nazi party. Nor are they “an evil racist party, every bit as bad as Hitler's Nazis.” If you believe that then you don't have the foggiest of what the real Nazi party were capable of – and as human beings we are capable of the most deplorable of atrocities. Your comments were unnecessary, unsound, and (I hope) unwelcome from the majority of people here. There are countless metaphors to use in order effectively criticise the Labour party without lowering oneself to such opportunism.
BM, Glasgow on 9:48am today
I'm not a fan of the Labour party myself, far from it. I find them deeply immoral and lacking conviction in everything they claim to stand for. I have serious concerns about where they are taking the UK with the (terror) claim of protecting us from terrorists and telling us we ought to “sacrifice our liberty in order to protect our freedom.” I also believe a number of the Labour ministers ought to stand trial for the invasion of Iraq, and though I believe Salmond's move to block Blair taking presidency of Europe is much about political opportunism as anything else I think the reasons he gives are sound and I wish him every success.
The world is not black and white though, and Labour are not a Nazi party. Nor are they “an evil racist party, every bit as bad as Hitler's Nazis.” If you believe that then you don't have the foggiest of what the real Nazi party were capable of – and as human beings we are capable of the most deplorable of atrocities. Your comments were unnecessary, unsound, and (I hope) unwelcome from the majority of people here. There are countless metaphors to use in order effectively criticise the Labour party without lowering oneself to such opportunism.
Posted by: Stevie, Glasgow on 1:22pm Sun 4 May 08
[quote][bold]Celtic Lion[/bold] wrote:
[bold]BM[/bold], Glasgow on 9:48am today
I'm not a fan of the Labour party myself, far from it. I find them deeply immoral and lacking conviction in everything they claim to stand for. I have serious concerns about where they are taking the UK with the (terror) claim of protecting us from terrorists and telling us we ought to “sacrifice our liberty in order to protect our freedom.” I also believe a number of the Labour ministers ought to stand trial for the invasion of Iraq, and though I believe Salmond's move to block Blair taking presidency of Europe is much about political opportunism as anything else I think the reasons he gives are sound and I wish him every success.
The world is not black and white though, and Labour are not a Nazi party. Nor are they “an evil racist party, every bit as bad as Hitler's Nazis.” If you believe that then you don't have the foggiest of what the real Nazi party were capable of – and as human beings we are capable of the most deplorable of atrocities. Your comments were unnecessary, unsound, and (I hope) unwelcome from the majority of people here. There are countless metaphors to use in order effectively criticise the Labour party without lowering oneself to such opportunism.[/quote] A great post,put very succinctly.
Celtic Lion wrote:
BM, Glasgow on 9:48am today
I'm not a fan of the Labour party myself, far from it. I find them deeply immoral and lacking conviction in everything they claim to stand for. I have serious concerns about where they are taking the UK with the (terror) claim of protecting us from terrorists and telling us we ought to “sacrifice our liberty in order to protect our freedom.” I also believe a number of the Labour ministers ought to stand trial for the invasion of Iraq, and though I believe Salmond's move to block Blair taking presidency of Europe is much about political opportunism as anything else I think the reasons he gives are sound and I wish him every success.
The world is not black and white though, and Labour are not a Nazi party. Nor are they “an evil racist party, every bit as bad as Hitler's Nazis.” If you believe that then you don't have the foggiest of what the real Nazi party were capable of – and as human beings we are capable of the most deplorable of atrocities. Your comments were unnecessary, unsound, and (I hope) unwelcome from the majority of people here. There are countless metaphors to use in order effectively criticise the Labour party without lowering oneself to such opportunism.
A great post,put very succinctly.
Posted by: Observer on 1:30pm Sun 4 May 08
[quote][bold]heady[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Wullie[/bold] wrote: SCOTLAND'S terror tsar has warned that the threat from right-wing extremism is as damaging to community relations as the menace posed by al-Qaeda. Gawd almighty, Give me a break. Aye , Govan is full of Franco sympathiser's waxing lyrical about the junta in the tapas bars on Byres road. The peoples republic of central Scotland has always been socialist bordering on the communist led by George Galloway, Tommy Sherriden, Jimmy Reid, Jimmy Knapp , Mick McGahey and a whole host of trade unionists and liebour extremists with the multicultural fanatics who are really Al Queda sympathiser's coming up in the rear. There is no right wing extremists in Scotland. FACT.[/quote] There are some very unpleasant racists operating in Scotland as anyone who reads the comments on stories in the Herald and Sunday Herald would know. Some of them are joined by homophobes. Some people manage to combine both in their gross bigoted frames.[/quote] I second your comment Heady. Very much so.
heady wrote:
Wullie wrote: SCOTLAND'S terror tsar has warned that the threat from right-wing extremism is as damaging to community relations as the menace posed by al-Qaeda. Gawd almighty, Give me a break. Aye , Govan is full of Franco sympathiser's waxing lyrical about the junta in the tapas bars on Byres road. The peoples republic of central Scotland has always been socialist bordering on the communist led by George Galloway, Tommy Sherriden, Jimmy Reid, Jimmy Knapp , Mick McGahey and a whole host of trade unionists and liebour extremists with the multicultural fanatics who are really Al Queda sympathiser's coming up in the rear. There is no right wing extremists in Scotland. FACT.
There are some very unpleasant racists operating in Scotland as anyone who reads the comments on stories in the Herald and Sunday Herald would know. Some of them are joined by homophobes. Some people manage to combine both in their gross bigoted frames.
I second your comment Heady. Very much so.
Posted by: Observer on 1:37pm Sun 4 May 08
If anyone thinks there are not right wing BNP neo Nazi sympathisers organising in Scotland they are living in cloud cuckoo land. They are here. We can resist the menace from Islamic militants quite easily by adopting an ethical foreign policy which values the rights of people such as the Palestinians and which would remove us from Iraq and Afghanistan. These would be the right things to do, so there would be no appeasement involved, we would be killing two birds with the one stone. The neo Nazi menace is more insidious but will be resisted by those of us who have always been aware of their presence.
If anyone thinks there are not right wing BNP neo Nazi sympathisers organising in Scotland they are living in cloud cuckoo land. They are here. We can resist the menace from Islamic militants quite easily by adopting an ethical foreign policy which values the rights of people such as the Palestinians and which would remove us from Iraq and Afghanistan. These would be the right things to do, so there would be no appeasement involved, we would be killing two birds with the one stone. The neo Nazi menace is more insidious but will be resisted by those of us who have always been aware of their presence.
Posted by: Observer on 1:41pm Sun 4 May 08
[quote][bold]Stevie[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Celtic Lion[/bold] wrote: [bold]BM[/bold], Glasgow on 9:48am today I\'m not a fan of the Labour party myself, far from it. I find them deeply immoral and lacking conviction in everything they claim to stand for. I have serious concerns about where they are taking the UK with the (terror) claim of protecting us from terrorists and telling us we ought to “sacrifice our liberty in order to protect our freedom.” I also believe a number of the Labour ministers ought to stand trial for the invasion of Iraq, and though I believe Salmond\'s move to block Blair taking presidency of Europe is much about political opportunism as anything else I think the reasons he gives are sound and I wish him every success. The world is not black and white though, and Labour are not a Nazi party. Nor are they “an evil racist party, every bit as bad as Hitler\'s Nazis.” If you believe that then you don\'t have the foggiest of what the real Nazi party were capable of – and as human beings we are capable of the most deplorable of atrocities. Your comments were unnecessary, unsound, and (I hope) unwelcome from the majority of people here. There are countless metaphors to use in order effectively criticise the Labour party without lowering oneself to such opportunism.[/quote] A great post,put very succinctly.[/quote] I agree with you both that we should not bandy the word Nazi about as if it is just another descriptive word. It is not. It describes a particular form of evil, but we do have that form of evil in our midst, albeit a very tiny minority of people.
Stevie wrote:
Celtic Lion wrote: BM, Glasgow on 9:48am today I\'m not a fan of the Labour party myself, far from it. I find them deeply immoral and lacking conviction in everything they claim to stand for. I have serious concerns about where they are taking the UK with the (terror) claim of protecting us from terrorists and telling us we ought to “sacrifice our liberty in order to protect our freedom.” I also believe a number of the Labour ministers ought to stand trial for the invasion of Iraq, and though I believe Salmond\'s move to block Blair taking presidency of Europe is much about political opportunism as anything else I think the reasons he gives are sound and I wish him every success. The world is not black and white though, and Labour are not a Nazi party. Nor are they “an evil racist party, every bit as bad as Hitler\'s Nazis.” If you believe that then you don\'t have the foggiest of what the real Nazi party were capable of – and as human beings we are capable of the most deplorable of atrocities. Your comments were unnecessary, unsound, and (I hope) unwelcome from the majority of people here. There are countless metaphors to use in order effectively criticise the Labour party without lowering oneself to such opportunism.
A great post,put very succinctly.
I agree with you both that we should not bandy the word Nazi about as if it is just another descriptive word. It is not. It describes a particular form of evil, but we do have that form of evil in our midst, albeit a very tiny minority of people.
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 1:53pm Sun 4 May 08
More pathos from Oddserver.
Aye, lots of neo nazies are hijacking planes and flying them into skyscrapers and not forgetting those neo nazies bombing the Madrid railway station and London subway murdering thousands.
Kashmir. Muslims causing trouble.
Shri Lanka Cival war. Muslims causing trouble.
Sudan cival war. Muslims causing trouble.
Somalia cival war.. Muslims causing trouble.
Afgahnastan. Muslims causing trouble.
Iraq. Muslims causing trouble.
Iran developing a nuclear bomb. Muslims causing trouble.
I think there is a pattern developing here. !!
More pathos from Oddserver.
Aye, lots of neo nazies are hijacking planes and flying them into skyscrapers and not forgetting those neo nazies bombing the Madrid railway station and London subway murdering thousands.
Kashmir. Muslims causing trouble.
Shri Lanka Cival war. Muslims causing trouble.
Sudan cival war. Muslims causing trouble.
Somalia cival war.. Muslims causing trouble.
Afgahnastan. Muslims causing trouble.
Iraq. Muslims causing trouble.
Iran developing a nuclear bomb. Muslims causing trouble.
I think there is a pattern developing here. !!
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 1:54pm Sun 4 May 08
Game, Set and Match to Wullie
Game, Set and Match to Wullie
Posted by: Observer on 1:59pm Sun 4 May 08
Congragulations Wullie for posting your usual Islamophobic rant. Game set and match to you in the stupidity stakes indeed.
Congragulations Wullie for posting your usual Islamophobic rant. Game set and match to you in the stupidity stakes indeed.
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 2:04pm Sun 4 May 08
Oddserver says
''If anyone thinks there are not right wing BNP neo Nazi sympathisers organising in Scotland they are living in cloud cuckoo land.''
Aye , Byres road is just like the Unter Den Linden, the buildings are draped in swastika's. The local Hitler youth, storm troopers are goose stepping down the street to oompah, oompah bands playing the Horst Wessel tune. Get real, Oddserver.
Oddserver says
''If anyone thinks there are not right wing BNP neo Nazi sympathisers organising in Scotland they are living in cloud cuckoo land.''
Aye , Byres road is just like the Unter Den Linden, the buildings are draped in swastika's. The local Hitler youth, storm troopers are goose stepping down the street to oompah, oompah bands playing the Horst Wessel tune. Get real, Oddserver.
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 2:10pm Sun 4 May 08
Its not islamaphobia. Its the FACTS.
YOU, Oddserver choose not to see it, because you are a wee George Galloway sook.
Its not islamaphobia. Its the FACTS.
YOU, Oddserver choose not to see it, because you are a wee George Galloway sook.
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 2:13pm Sun 4 May 08
Oddserver wins a gold star for pullling out the tired and tedious '' Islamaphobia card''.
The prize is a burqua. ( the pillar box outfit )
Oddserver wins a gold star for pullling out the tired and tedious '' Islamaphobia card''.
The prize is a burqua. ( the pillar box outfit )
Posted by: Observer on 2:18pm Sun 4 May 08
Keep going Wullie, why don't you dig out your big book of Enoch Powell speeches and recite a few of those. Scotland's Alf Garnett speaks.
Keep going Wullie, why don't you dig out your big book of Enoch Powell speeches and recite a few of those. Scotland's Alf Garnett speaks.
Posted by: Celtic Lion, Roar on 2:22pm Sun 4 May 08
Thanks [bold]Stevie[/bold], [bold]Observer[/bold]. I agree entirely with what you wrote Observer, I couldn't put it better. What concerns me with reports such as this though is that I suspect it is not coincidence that it comes at a time when MI5 want to monitor car, bus and train passengers in Scotland and so soon before Labour put the 42-day bill before parliament. We normally associate bombs and killings with terror, but they aren't necessary to instill fear in order to shape our society. One might even argue that government is using a similar form of opportunism that I accused BM of above.
[bold]Wullie[/bold] you aren't stupid so stop pretending you are. There are enough people doing just what you are across the various forums but they have the excuse of being unable to form original thought. You don't.
Thanks
Stevie,
Observer. I agree entirely with what you wrote Observer, I couldn't put it better. What concerns me with reports such as this though is that I suspect it is not coincidence that it comes at a time when MI5 want to monitor car, bus and train passengers in Scotland and so soon before Labour put the 42-day bill before parliament. We normally associate bombs and killings with terror, but they aren't necessary to instill fear in order to shape our society. One might even argue that government is using a similar form of opportunism that I accused BM of above.
Wullie you aren't stupid so stop pretending you are. There are enough people doing just what you are across the various forums but they have the excuse of being unable to form original thought. You don't.
Posted by: Stevie, Glasgow on 2:26pm Sun 4 May 08
[quote][bold]Wullie[/bold] wrote:
Oddserver says
\'\'If anyone thinks there are not right wing BNP neo Nazi sympathisers organising in Scotland they are living in cloud cuckoo land.\'\'
Aye , Byres road is just like the Unter Den Linden, the buildings are draped in swastika\'s. The local Hitler youth, storm troopers are goose stepping down the street to oompah, oompah bands playing the Horst Wessel tune. Get real, Oddserver.[/quote] Wullie Good to see you've moved on from the "very fishy" stage but the "game set and match " period is equally banal.
As ever it appears you know about as much of Neo Nazis as you know about reality.
Take some time out ,come back with a new catchphrase ( one of Larry Graysons will do ) come down to the Barras get that "Rivers of Blood"
tattoo you've always wanted ,take in some culture .Don't think about it just do it .
Tell the other Willies in the Eberdeen Falange you need a new outlook.
Meet up with me ,I will take you round some of our Refugee centres and show you where Kirsty and the other Gliterrati Socialise.
Wullie wrote:
Oddserver says
\'\'If anyone thinks there are not right wing BNP neo Nazi sympathisers organising in Scotland they are living in cloud cuckoo land.\'\'
Aye , Byres road is just like the Unter Den Linden, the buildings are draped in swastika\'s. The local Hitler youth, storm troopers are goose stepping down the street to oompah, oompah bands playing the Horst Wessel tune. Get real, Oddserver.
Wullie Good to see you've moved on from the "very fishy" stage but the "game set and match " period is equally banal.
As ever it appears you know about as much of Neo Nazis as you know about reality.
Take some time out ,come back with a new catchphrase ( one of Larry Graysons will do ) come down to the Barras get that "Rivers of Blood"
tattoo you've always wanted ,take in some culture .Don't think about it just do it .
Tell the other Willies in the Eberdeen Falange you need a new outlook.
Meet up with me ,I will take you round some of our Refugee centres and show you where Kirsty and the other Gliterrati Socialise.
Posted by: Observer on 2:28pm Sun 4 May 08
Hello Celtic Lion. I think there is no doubt that the Government will be opportunistic enough to seize the threat of terror to impose further controls on our liberty. New Labour are fundamentally control freaks, and Stalinist ones at that. I don't know how much effect, if any, security services or Police can have in countering terror. I think it is down to us, it is down to the muslim community to be on guard against extremism, and it is down to the rest of us too to guard against the racists and extremists in our midst.
Hello Celtic Lion. I think there is no doubt that the Government will be opportunistic enough to seize the threat of terror to impose further controls on our liberty. New Labour are fundamentally control freaks, and Stalinist ones at that. I don't know how much effect, if any, security services or Police can have in countering terror. I think it is down to us, it is down to the muslim community to be on guard against extremism, and it is down to the rest of us too to guard against the racists and extremists in our midst.
Posted by: Celtic Lion, Roar on 3:01pm Sun 4 May 08
Yes they're being as opportunistic with terrorism as they are the environmental issues, and we can only hope the Tories are less controlling (though they are the ones who introduced CCTV). Under Blair Labour proved themselves masterful at propaganda and controlling the way people think. What does concern me about the terrorist threat is that by it's very nature it is impossible to defend ourselves against one hundred percent or to have a concrete plan. Other than the obvious consequences my biggest worry is that it will allow the government to push for as many powers as it wishes under the guise of protecting us, it gives false morals which opponents can find hard to fight against, and a large number of people actually believe it. You're banging the nail on the head when you talk about a vigilant society and ethical foreign powers, but how much freedom will we lose in the meantime?
Furthermore, how long do we wait before Europe dictates it's own policy and information services? Especially if Blair should take the presidency.
Yes they're being as opportunistic with terrorism as they are the environmental issues, and we can only hope the Tories are less controlling (though they are the ones who introduced CCTV). Under Blair Labour proved themselves masterful at propaganda and controlling the way people think. What does concern me about the terrorist threat is that by it's very nature it is impossible to defend ourselves against one hundred percent or to have a concrete plan. Other than the obvious consequences my biggest worry is that it will allow the government to push for as many powers as it wishes under the guise of protecting us, it gives false morals which opponents can find hard to fight against, and a large number of people actually believe it. You're banging the nail on the head when you talk about a vigilant society and ethical foreign powers, but how much freedom will we lose in the meantime?
Furthermore, how long do we wait before Europe dictates it's own policy and information services? Especially if Blair should take the presidency.
Posted by: Observer on 3:23pm Sun 4 May 08
Blair as the President of the EU is boak provoking stuff. Blair caused the terrorist threat. Although I of course deplore the actions of terrorists, they are not mad. They have an agenda and Blair has played straight into their hands. The best way to counter extreme Islamic thought is not to be imperialists imposing our world view on other people. If we are not doing what they despise us for they will move on, some people count that as appeasement but they are wrong, it is not appeasement to do that which is right anyway. I am actually more concerned with the Government's assault on our liberty. It took Centuries to acquire these liberties, and who are we to give them away ?
Blair as the President of the EU is boak provoking stuff. Blair caused the terrorist threat. Although I of course deplore the actions of terrorists, they are not mad. They have an agenda and Blair has played straight into their hands. The best way to counter extreme Islamic thought is not to be imperialists imposing our world view on other people. If we are not doing what they despise us for they will move on, some people count that as appeasement but they are wrong, it is not appeasement to do that which is right anyway. I am actually more concerned with the Government's assault on our liberty. It took Centuries to acquire these liberties, and who are we to give them away ?
Posted by: McSomeone, Scotland on 3:34pm Sun 4 May 08
Conversely Wullie:
Kashmir, Brutish Raj leave India in a complete mess and Kasmir in the Middle of war claimed by India and Pakistan.
Sri Lanka (Ceylon). Occupied by Brutish Raj and Tamils imported into a country they don't belong as cheap labour, because locals not interested in being Brutish subjects.
Sudan. Again country occupied by Brutish Raj. Lately bombed by the Americans
Somalia. Fought over by Italy, Brutish Raj and left in deep doodoo by imperial powers. Invaded by Ethiopia and bombed by Americans
Afghanistan. Invaded three times and occupied by Brutish Raj in the 19th century. Occupied by Russians in 20th century, followed by the American Raj. Muslims fighting to liberate their country = Crime against humanity.
Iraq. Occupied and screwed up by Brutish Raj in the 20th century. Illegally invaded by America and coalition of the stupid in the 21st century. Muslims fighting to liberate their country = war crimes against humanity.
Iran. Invaded and occupied by the British and Russinas in the 20th century. Democratically elected Prime Minsister assassinated by MI6 & CIA, thug installed as American surrogate ruler. American and Brutish special forces carrying out covert missions inside country, to destabilise it. At Isreal's behest America claims Iran developing nuclear weapons (please provide your proof of your claim they are) Country becoming a regional power and threatening America's imperial position and Israels hegamony in the Middle East.
Have I left anything out?
Conversely Wullie:
Kashmir, Brutish Raj leave India in a complete mess and Kasmir in the Middle of war claimed by India and Pakistan.
Sri Lanka (Ceylon). Occupied by Brutish Raj and Tamils imported into a country they don't belong as cheap labour, because locals not interested in being Brutish subjects.
Sudan. Again country occupied by Brutish Raj. Lately bombed by the Americans
Somalia. Fought over by Italy, Brutish Raj and left in deep doodoo by imperial powers. Invaded by Ethiopia and bombed by Americans
Afghanistan. Invaded three times and occupied by Brutish Raj in the 19th century. Occupied by Russians in 20th century, followed by the American Raj. Muslims fighting to liberate their country = Crime against humanity.
Iraq. Occupied and screwed up by Brutish Raj in the 20th century. Illegally invaded by America and coalition of the stupid in the 21st century. Muslims fighting to liberate their country = war crimes against humanity.
Iran. Invaded and occupied by the British and Russinas in the 20th century. Democratically elected Prime Minsister assassinated by MI6 & CIA, thug installed as American surrogate ruler. American and Brutish special forces carrying out covert missions inside country, to destabilise it. At Isreal's behest America claims Iran developing nuclear weapons (please provide your proof of your claim they are) Country becoming a regional power and threatening America's imperial position and Israels hegamony in the Middle East.
Have I left anything out?
Posted by: Observer on 3:41pm Sun 4 May 08
Hello McSomeone. Iran. It's just Iraq all over again. I can only hope that as Pete Townshend said we don't get fooled again.
Hello McSomeone. Iran. It's just Iraq all over again. I can only hope that as Pete Townshend said we don't get fooled again.
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 3:46pm Sun 4 May 08
Yup , Ive seen the light. Muslims are not causing the terrorism.
Its those damm Swedish midgets that are hijacking planes and planting bombs !!
May a thousand blessings of Allah be upon you.
Yup , Ive seen the light. Muslims are not causing the terrorism.
Its those damm Swedish midgets that are hijacking planes and planting bombs !!
May a thousand blessings of Allah be upon you.
Posted by: Celtic Lion, Roar on 3:59pm Sun 4 May 08
[bold]Observer[/bold] please don't talk about boak - that's all I've been thinking of these past couple of days! The sweating may even detract from my many attractive features.
If Blair becomes president I'll just shake my head and be speechless about it all. That the role of president has yet to be defined only makes a bad situation worse.
I'm more concerned about how the government is acting too. 15-20yrs ago CCTV was considered controversial at best and a necessary evil, now they talk about CCTV in Westminster as if it's something the public wants. All these terror laws (aptly named) are being forced through and we are losing freedom we will never get back. We aren't giving them away, we are simply too apathetic in today's modern society to stop them from taking them away. It's an injustice.
Ooh, my Grandfather was stationed in Ceylon and my mother born there – I really am the person a number of people who post here love to hate (ex-unionist, mainly English family, colonial parentage, on benefits, mind-blowingly handsome, posh accent). If we invade Iran then we might all get a lesson on how to kiss our own backsides. A good post [bold]McSomeone[/bold].
Observer please don't talk about boak - that's all I've been thinking of these past couple of days! The sweating may even detract from my many attractive features.
If Blair becomes president I'll just shake my head and be speechless about it all. That the role of president has yet to be defined only makes a bad situation worse.
I'm more concerned about how the government is acting too. 15-20yrs ago CCTV was considered controversial at best and a necessary evil, now they talk about CCTV in Westminster as if it's something the public wants. All these terror laws (aptly named) are being forced through and we are losing freedom we will never get back. We aren't giving them away, we are simply too apathetic in today's modern society to stop them from taking them away. It's an injustice.
Ooh, my Grandfather was stationed in Ceylon and my mother born there – I really am the person a number of people who post here love to hate (ex-unionist, mainly English family, colonial parentage, on benefits, mind-blowingly handsome, posh accent). If we invade Iran then we might all get a lesson on how to kiss our own backsides. A good post
McSomeone.
Posted by: McSomeone, Scotland on 4:02pm Sun 4 May 08
Hi Observer, hope the weather's better where you are.
I'm hoping all Bush's threats are just bluster to placate Israel because if we do attack Iran it could well ignite a fire we can't easily put out and will cost us dearly. Iran isn't Iraq and has much stronger support around the Middle East, especially amongst the Shia population. It is also better armed with a highly disciplined motivated military Also no matter what justification Bush comes up with this time it won't wash, even with those who supported the invasion of Iraq.
My big fear is Brown is so weak he just might just be bullied into following Bush or McCain/Clinton into this new war.
Wa-alaikum-a'-Salaam Wullie, may your god be with you.
Like it or not what is happening today in the Middle East is of our creating. The best thing we can do is to get out and let them resolve their problems themselves. That includes Israel. Which lies at the very centre of Arab unrest.
Hi Observer, hope the weather's better where you are.
I'm hoping all Bush's threats are just bluster to placate Israel because if we do attack Iran it could well ignite a fire we can't easily put out and will cost us dearly. Iran isn't Iraq and has much stronger support around the Middle East, especially amongst the Shia population. It is also better armed with a highly disciplined motivated military Also no matter what justification Bush comes up with this time it won't wash, even with those who supported the invasion of Iraq.
My big fear is Brown is so weak he just might just be bullied into following Bush or McCain/Clinton into this new war.
Wa-alaikum-a'-Salaam Wullie, may your god be with you.
Like it or not what is happening today in the Middle East is of our creating. The best thing we can do is to get out and let them resolve their problems themselves. That includes Israel. Which lies at the very centre of Arab unrest.
Posted by: Observer on 4:16pm Sun 4 May 08
Hello Celtic Lion I don't exactly fit into some of the posters on here hall of gods myself. You post as an individual which is why I always read what you say, keep posting. I think we are of the one mind when it comes to infringements of our liberies.
Hi McSomeone I remember the run up to the invasion of Iraq and my utter bafflement that the powers that be could be so stupid. This will be magnified a thousand times if they attack Iran I truly do not think that they know what they are doing, it's a scary thought. And of course you are right to identify Israel as the key. It always has been.
Hello Celtic Lion I don't exactly fit into some of the posters on here hall of gods myself. You post as an individual which is why I always read what you say, keep posting. I think we are of the one mind when it comes to infringements of our liberies.
Hi McSomeone I remember the run up to the invasion of Iraq and my utter bafflement that the powers that be could be so stupid. This will be magnified a thousand times if they attack Iran I truly do not think that they know what they are doing, it's a scary thought. And of course you are right to identify Israel as the key. It always has been.
Posted by: Celtic Lion, Roar on 4:31pm Sun 4 May 08
I find the narrow views some people have amusing [bold]Observer[/bold], and that if some (the minority) of the posters were even a little correct in their bigotry they'd know far more about me than they seem to. By coincidence they're discussing people from Horsham on another thread...
[quote]You post as an individual which is why I always read what you say, keep posting.[/quote]
I almost said the same thing to you this morning on the thread at the Herald site. I thought though that it would detract from my cheeky suggestion that you are the blind one and not myself! :-D
[quote]I think we are of the one mind when it comes to infringements of our liberies.[/quote]
Again, my thoughts precisely. I'm struggling enough with feeling under the weather to say anything constructive without you writing my very thoughts down for me!
[italic](Sorry for the structured post, I think I ought to go back to my bed soon.)[/italic]
I find the narrow views some people have amusing
Observer, and that if some (the minority) of the posters were even a little correct in their bigotry they'd know far more about me than they seem to. By coincidence they're discussing people from Horsham on another thread...
You post as an individual which is why I always read what you say, keep posting.
I almost said the same thing to you this morning on the thread at the Herald site. I thought though that it would detract from my cheeky suggestion that you are the blind one and not myself! :-D
I think we are of the one mind when it comes to infringements of our liberies.
Again, my thoughts precisely. I'm struggling enough with feeling under the weather to say anything constructive without you writing my very thoughts down for me!
(Sorry for the structured post, I think I ought to go back to my bed soon.)Posted by: McSomeone, Scotland on 4:36pm Sun 4 May 08
[quote]Have I left anything out?[/quote]
Oops sorry wullie, I did leave something out
Tamil Tigers are Hindu, not Muslim.
Shukriyya.
Have I left anything out?
Oops sorry wullie, I did leave something out
Tamil Tigers are Hindu, not Muslim.
Shukriyya.
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 4:48pm Sun 4 May 08
Cetic Lion tamer says
''I find the narrow views some people have amusing Observer, and that if some (the minority) of the posters were even a little correct in their bigotry they'd know far more about me than they seem to. By coincidence they're discussing people from Horsham on another thread.''
This is a bit of a word salad. I need a German enigma machine to decipher it. Next time write in plain English. Thank you and good night.
Ps. Are you still looking up the Persian, third division, football scores on the internet. ?
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Cetic Lion tamer says
''I find the narrow views some people have amusing Observer, and that if some (the minority) of the posters were even a little correct in their bigotry they'd know far more about me than they seem to. By coincidence they're discussing people from Horsham on another thread.''
This is a bit of a word salad. I need a German enigma machine to decipher it. Next time write in plain English. Thank you and good night.
Ps. Are you still looking up the Persian, third division, football scores on the internet. ?
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Posted by: Celtic Lion, Roar on 4:52pm Sun 4 May 08
Goodness me Wullie, are you keeping spreadsheets now like AM2?
I thought the part you quoted was reasonably easy to understand, but I'm really not feeling so well so am unwilling to decipher it for you.
Goodness me Wullie, are you keeping spreadsheets now like AM2?
I thought the part you quoted was reasonably easy to understand, but I'm really not feeling so well so am unwilling to decipher it for you.
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 4:54pm Sun 4 May 08
I never read Mrs Oddserver comments. The world would be a better place if she ironed her husband's shirts.
I never read Mrs Oddserver comments. The world would be a better place if she ironed her husband's shirts.
Posted by: Celtic Lion, Roar on 5:01pm Sun 4 May 08
Well it would help if you did, or refer back to the post were I listed just a few of the reasons why a number of people should (according to their narrow views) hate me.
Between you and me, what's with the trashy posts lately? I used to give you credit because you'd wind people up but I found it quite amusing (sorry anyone who was offended) and you would often post something with substance. Lately it's just been the same crap the trolls post as if you've lost the ability to be controversial.
Well it would help if you did, or refer back to the post were I listed just a few of the reasons why a number of people should (according to their narrow views) hate me.
Between you and me, what's with the trashy posts lately? I used to give you credit because you'd wind people up but I found it quite amusing (sorry anyone who was offended) and you would often post something with substance. Lately it's just been the same crap the trolls post as if you've lost the ability to be controversial.
Posted by: wullie, Aberdeen on 5:10pm Sun 4 May 08
Ouch
Posted by: Stevie, Glasgow on 5:16pm Sun 4 May 08
[quote][bold]Wullie[/bold] wrote:
I never read Mrs Oddserver comments. The world would be a better place if she ironed her husband\'s shirts.[/quote] Billy Liar ! You make a point of reading Observers posts,I would say if Observer stopped posting for a few days, you would be crying out for a search party.
Underneath all your homophobic ,misogynistic ,Islamophobic,,xenop
hobic, bigoted-ness ,racialist. Your really the cuddliest member of your Falange .
Wullie wrote:
I never read Mrs Oddserver comments. The world would be a better place if she ironed her husband\'s shirts.
Billy Liar ! You make a point of reading Observers posts,I would say if Observer stopped posting for a few days, you would be crying out for a search party.
Underneath all your homophobic ,misogynistic ,Islamophobic,,xenop
hobic, bigoted-ness ,racialist. Your really the cuddliest member of your Falange .
Posted by: Celtic Lion, Roar on 5:16pm Sun 4 May 08
Lol, didn't mean to hit a nerve Wullie! If nothing else take comfort in the knowledge that someone cares enough to ask.
Lol, didn't mean to hit a nerve Wullie! If nothing else take comfort in the knowledge that someone cares enough to ask.
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 5:26pm Sun 4 May 08
Celtic Lion
To be serious for a moment. Im posting comments to the wrong audience. Glasgow and the west of Scotland is a left of centre, socialist, George Galloway fan club. They are the sheep with the closed minds who dont want to listen to a different point of view. Glaswegians think Im right wing, thats a laugh. If they saw Dick Cheney, Richard Pearle , Paul Wolfowitz and the other American neo cons, thats right wing. Ronald thinks the BBC is too right wing. Thats hilarious. He's never seen Fox news.
Ps. This will be my last post. Im bored plus Ive got to paint and decorate the bathroom this week.
Celtic Lion
To be serious for a moment. Im posting comments to the wrong audience. Glasgow and the west of Scotland is a left of centre, socialist, George Galloway fan club. They are the sheep with the closed minds who dont want to listen to a different point of view. Glaswegians think Im right wing, thats a laugh. If they saw Dick Cheney, Richard Pearle , Paul Wolfowitz and the other American neo cons, thats right wing. Ronald thinks the BBC is too right wing. Thats hilarious. He's never seen Fox news.
Ps. This will be my last post. Im bored plus Ive got to paint and decorate the bathroom this week.
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 5:41pm Sun 4 May 08
To quote Richard Nixons farewell address. Nixon was the finest president America ever had. He ended the war in Vietnam, opened up China and started the detente with Russia.
''The greatness comes when you are really tested, when you take some knocks, some disappointments, when sadness comes, because only if you have been in the deepest valley can you ever know how magnificent it is to be at the highest mountain.
And so I say to you on this occasion, as we leave, we leave proud of the people who have stood by us and worked for us and served this country. We want you to be proud of what you have done. We want you to continue to serve in Government, if that is your wish. Always give your best, never get discouraged, never be petty; always remember other may hate you, but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them, and then you destroy yourself.
And so, we leave with high hopes, in good spirit and with deep humility, and with very much gratefulness in our hearts. I can only say to each and every one of you, we come from many faiths, we pray perhaps to different gods, but really the same God in a sense, but I want to say for each and every one of you, not only will we always remember you, not only will we always be grateful to you but always you will be in our hearts and you will be in our prayers.''
Thank you very much.
Yes Tricky Dicky. Thank you and good bye to all the pontificating twits and pedants who post comments on the herald forum..
To quote Richard Nixons farewell address. Nixon was the finest president America ever had. He ended the war in Vietnam, opened up China and started the detente with Russia.
''The greatness comes when you are really tested, when you take some knocks, some disappointments, when sadness comes, because only if you have been in the deepest valley can you ever know how magnificent it is to be at the highest mountain.
And so I say to you on this occasion, as we leave, we leave proud of the people who have stood by us and worked for us and served this country. We want you to be proud of what you have done. We want you to continue to serve in Government, if that is your wish. Always give your best, never get discouraged, never be petty; always remember other may hate you, but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them, and then you destroy yourself.
And so, we leave with high hopes, in good spirit and with deep humility, and with very much gratefulness in our hearts. I can only say to each and every one of you, we come from many faiths, we pray perhaps to different gods, but really the same God in a sense, but I want to say for each and every one of you, not only will we always remember you, not only will we always be grateful to you but always you will be in our hearts and you will be in our prayers.''
Thank you very much.
Yes Tricky Dicky. Thank you and good bye to all the pontificating twits and pedants who post comments on the herald forum..
Posted by: McSomeone, Scotland on 5:43pm Sun 4 May 08
[quote]Glasgow and the west of Scotland is a left of centre, socialist,[/quote]
Guilty as charged and proud of it.
[quote]George Galloway fan club.[/quote]
Who Him?
Wullie, I'm open to ideas but try and get facts right before you post. Arab disatisfaction with the west didn't just happen out of the blue and for no reason, it's been simmering for many decades. Try doing a little research first, it might help you understand other people's problems. I've no sympathy with terrorists but if we are to defeat them, the terrorists then we must understand why they are fighting and how we can deprive them of justification for their actions.
By the way you do know that Al Qaeda was set up by the Americans, funded by the CIA, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Osama Bin Laden didn't just wake up one day and say I'm going to make war on the West and set up an Islamic Caliphate.
Glasgow and the west of Scotland is a left of centre, socialist,
Guilty as charged and proud of it.
George Galloway fan club.
Who Him?
Wullie, I'm open to ideas but try and get facts right before you post. Arab disatisfaction with the west didn't just happen out of the blue and for no reason, it's been simmering for many decades. Try doing a little research first, it might help you understand other people's problems. I've no sympathy with terrorists but if we are to defeat them, the terrorists then we must understand why they are fighting and how we can deprive them of justification for their actions.
By the way you do know that Al Qaeda was set up by the Americans, funded by the CIA, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Osama Bin Laden didn't just wake up one day and say I'm going to make war on the West and set up an Islamic Caliphate.
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 5:47pm Sun 4 May 08
This quote is for Stevie
''never be petty; always remember other may hate you, but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them, and then you destroy yourself.''
Very wise words from Richard Nixon.
This quote is for Stevie
''never be petty; always remember other may hate you, but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them, and then you destroy yourself.''
Very wise words from Richard Nixon.
Posted by: Celtic Lion, Roar on 5:54pm Sun 4 May 08
I think you're just frustrated and bored with it [bold]Wullie[/bold], and you even say in your last comment that you're bored.
I don't know anything about the west coast mindset. Other than a couple of trips to the very north-west, I've been to Glasgow twice (and on one of those occasions they had city of culture it was so far back) and I'm otherwise east coast (well, east central). I don't classify people though, I take them as I find them and they can take me as they find me. You're no more right wing than I am (except on your “radical” foreign policies where we differ enormously), you just try to be that bit more controversial in how you say something and sometimes it doesn't help the case you're trying to make (well, it usually destroys it)! I have some socialist ideals but at the same time would (for example) "transform" the NHS into something a little less ambitious. People use the terms right-wing and left-wing a little too readily (I certainly do), in the US the Tories would probably be considered too left-wing. I wouldn't let it get to you.
Anyway, I'm not usually so soft which is why that doesn't read so well. Away and paint your bathroom blue.
Good speech.
I think you're just frustrated and bored with it
Wullie, and you even say in your last comment that you're bored.
I don't know anything about the west coast mindset. Other than a couple of trips to the very north-west, I've been to Glasgow twice (and on one of those occasions they had city of culture it was so far back) and I'm otherwise east coast (well, east central). I don't classify people though, I take them as I find them and they can take me as they find me. You're no more right wing than I am (except on your “radical” foreign policies where we differ enormously), you just try to be that bit more controversial in how you say something and sometimes it doesn't help the case you're trying to make (well, it usually destroys it)! I have some socialist ideals but at the same time would (for example) "transform" the NHS into something a little less ambitious. People use the terms right-wing and left-wing a little too readily (I certainly do), in the US the Tories would probably be considered too left-wing. I wouldn't let it get to you.
Anyway, I'm not usually so soft which is why that doesn't read so well. Away and paint your bathroom blue.
Good speech.
Posted by: Observer on 5:55pm Sun 4 May 08
Actually Wullie you have a point about Richard Nixon, that's why I find you so annoying, you are obviously intelligent but you post like a schoolboy. You really should give us the benefit of your wisdom and stop the daftness.
Actually Wullie you have a point about Richard Nixon, that's why I find you so annoying, you are obviously intelligent but you post like a schoolboy. You really should give us the benefit of your wisdom and stop the daftness.
Posted by: Celtic Lion, Roar on 5:57pm Sun 4 May 08
Wullie, because you [italic]claim[/italic] not to read Observer's posts she wrote:
[quote]Actually Wullie you have a point about Richard Nixon, that's why I find you so annoying, you are obviously intelligent but you post like a schoolboy. You really should give us the benefit of your wisdom and stop the daftness.[/quote]
Wullie, because you
claim not to read Observer's posts she wrote:
Actually Wullie you have a point about Richard Nixon, that's why I find you so annoying, you are obviously intelligent but you post like a schoolboy. You really should give us the benefit of your wisdom and stop the daftness.
Posted by: Observer on 6:00pm Sun 4 May 08
George Galloway has got a very good grip of Arab politics. That is something that neither Brown nor his predecessor Blair had a clue about. If George Galloway was running the show we would not be in the danger that we currently face. He also does a cracking radio show, the mother of all talkshows, I commend it to anyone who is bored.
George Galloway has got a very good grip of Arab politics. That is something that neither Brown nor his predecessor Blair had a clue about. If George Galloway was running the show we would not be in the danger that we currently face. He also does a cracking radio show, the mother of all talkshows, I commend it to anyone who is bored.
Posted by: Celtic Lion, Roar on 6:09pm Sun 4 May 08
Yes he usually makes sense on his foreign policies (though I believe he was saluting Saddam and not the people of Iraq that he now claims) and he got top marks for the way he treated the American senate. The little I've heard from him on domestic issues though has been pretty poor. He's the sort of person I'd listen to for advice, but never allow to take decisions, lead the show, or even place any trust with – too much of a loose cannon with a large ego.
By the way Observer, I saw your reply. That wasn't a hint, but I'm betting you would have kicked yourself if you hadn't read my post to you it was so riveting. ;-)
Yes he usually makes sense on his foreign policies (though I believe he was saluting Saddam and not the people of Iraq that he now claims) and he got top marks for the way he treated the American senate. The little I've heard from him on domestic issues though has been pretty poor. He's the sort of person I'd listen to for advice, but never allow to take decisions, lead the show, or even place any trust with – too much of a loose cannon with a large ego.
By the way Observer, I saw your reply. That wasn't a hint, but I'm betting you would have kicked yourself if you hadn't read my post to you it was so riveting. ;-)
Posted by: McSomeone, Scotland on 6:09pm Sun 4 May 08
Was being tongue in cheek Observer.....
Agreed Galloway is certainly more knowledgable and understanding of Middle East Politics and can hold his own in any debate. I still remember the drubbing he gave the American Senate in his own defence. It was classic.
Unfortunately for this country Blair would not have listened to anyone and didn't as he was already in hock to Israel for the money used to finance his challange for the leadership of the (then) labour party, which was arrange by Levy and provided by four Jewish businessmen, Sir Emmanuel Kaye, Sir Trevor Chinn, Maurice Hatter, and David Goldman.
Was being tongue in cheek Observer.....
Agreed Galloway is certainly more knowledgable and understanding of Middle East Politics and can hold his own in any debate. I still remember the drubbing he gave the American Senate in his own defence. It was classic.
Unfortunately for this country Blair would not have listened to anyone and didn't as he was already in hock to Israel for the money used to finance his challange for the leadership of the (then) labour party, which was arrange by Levy and provided by four Jewish businessmen, Sir Emmanuel Kaye, Sir Trevor Chinn, Maurice Hatter, and David Goldman.
Posted by: Observer on 6:44pm Sun 4 May 08
I think Galloway's performance at the Senate Hearings was spectacular. He has talent, a sensible government could utilise it, we don't have a sensible government.
And Blair is a Zionist, that's a fact, and he was financed by a Jewish cabal. You can say that and not be accused of anti semitism, I hope. The whole project for a new American Century is Zionist, it steps all over Arab culture and Arab thought. No wonder they hate us. I am amazed we have only seen two attacks. I thought there would be more.
I think Galloway's performance at the Senate Hearings was spectacular. He has talent, a sensible government could utilise it, we don't have a sensible government.
And Blair is a Zionist, that's a fact, and he was financed by a Jewish cabal. You can say that and not be accused of anti semitism, I hope. The whole project for a new American Century is Zionist, it steps all over Arab culture and Arab thought. No wonder they hate us. I am amazed we have only seen two attacks. I thought there would be more.
Posted by: sam, greenock on 6:49pm Sun 4 May 08
[quote][bold]Wullie[/bold] wrote:
More pathos from Oddserver. Aye, lots of neo nazies are hijacking planes and flying them into skyscrapers and not forgetting those neo nazies bombing the Madrid railway station and London subway murdering thousands. Kashmir. Muslims causing trouble. Shri Lanka Cival war. Muslims causing trouble. Sudan cival war. Muslims causing trouble. Somalia cival war.. Muslims causing trouble. Afgahnastan. Muslims causing trouble. Iraq. Muslims causing trouble. Iran developing a nuclear bomb. Muslims causing trouble. I think there is a pattern developing here. !! [/quote] [quote]Iran developing a nuclear bomb. Muslims causing trouble.[/quote]
Whitever next - muslims in Iran my, my, who would've thunk it
[quote]Iraq. Muslims causing trouble.[/quote]
Whitever next - muslims in Iraq my, my, who would've thunk it.
Wullie wrote:
More pathos from Oddserver. Aye, lots of neo nazies are hijacking planes and flying them into skyscrapers and not forgetting those neo nazies bombing the Madrid railway station and London subway murdering thousands. Kashmir. Muslims causing trouble. Shri Lanka Cival war. Muslims causing trouble. Sudan cival war. Muslims causing trouble. Somalia cival war.. Muslims causing trouble. Afgahnastan. Muslims causing trouble. Iraq. Muslims causing trouble. Iran developing a nuclear bomb. Muslims causing trouble. I think there is a pattern developing here. !!
Iran developing a nuclear bomb. Muslims causing trouble.
Whitever next - muslims in Iran my, my, who would've thunk it
Iraq. Muslims causing trouble.
Whitever next - muslims in Iraq my, my, who would've thunk it.
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 6:59pm Sun 4 May 08
Oddserver the Adolf Eichmann of the herald forum says
''And Blair is a Zionist, that's a fact, and he was financed by a Jewish cabal. The whole project for a new American Century is Zionist, it steps all over Arab culture and Arab thought.''
Oddserver comes out of the wood work, puts on her jackboots and starts jew baiting. Very nice and charming.
Oddserver the Adolf Eichmann of the herald forum says
''And Blair is a Zionist, that's a fact, and he was financed by a Jewish cabal. The whole project for a new American Century is Zionist, it steps all over Arab culture and Arab thought.''
Oddserver comes out of the wood work, puts on her jackboots and starts jew baiting. Very nice and charming.
Posted by: McSomeone, Scotland on 7:03pm Sun 4 May 08
[quote]Whitever next - muslims in Iraq my, my, who would've thunk it.[/quote]
Isn't that the final excuse why we invaded, to liberate the freedom loving Iraqis from the brutal Muslims?
Whitever next - muslims in Iraq my, my, who would've thunk it.
Isn't that the final excuse why we invaded, to liberate the freedom loving Iraqis from the brutal Muslims?
Posted by: McSomeone, Scotland on 7:14pm Sun 4 May 08
[quote][bold]Wullie[/bold] wrote:
Oddserver the Adolf Eichmann of the herald forum says \'\'And Blair is a Zionist, that\'s a fact, and he was financed by a Jewish cabal. The whole project for a new American Century is Zionist, it steps all over Arab culture and Arab thought.\'\' Oddserver comes out of the wood work, puts on her jackboots and starts jew baiting. Very nice and charming.[/quote] Wullie, Anti-zionism isn't anti-semetic.
Zionism is a political movement dedicated to colonial expansionism. Judaism is a religion.
Wullie wrote:
Oddserver the Adolf Eichmann of the herald forum says \'\'And Blair is a Zionist, that\'s a fact, and he was financed by a Jewish cabal. The whole project for a new American Century is Zionist, it steps all over Arab culture and Arab thought.\'\' Oddserver comes out of the wood work, puts on her jackboots and starts jew baiting. Very nice and charming.
Wullie, Anti-zionism isn't anti-semetic.
Zionism is a political movement dedicated to colonial expansionism. Judaism is a religion.
Posted by: Celtic Lion, Roar on 7:20pm Sun 4 May 08
[bold]Observer[/bold] on 6:44pm today
The one point I would strongly disagree with on your post is the general reference to the Jews. Zionism may be a subset of Judaism (with some Christian nutters thrown in) and Israel may be calling all Jews "home" but there are plenty of Jews who are disgusted with Israel (and who themselves have been called anti-Semitic). It isn't a Jewish cabal, it's an Israeli cabal. I know it's a technicality, but I think it's an important distinction to make and to be morally aware of.
Observer on 6:44pm today
The one point I would strongly disagree with on your post is the general reference to the Jews. Zionism may be a subset of Judaism (with some Christian nutters thrown in) and Israel may be calling all Jews "home" but there are plenty of Jews who are disgusted with Israel (and who themselves have been called anti-Semitic). It isn't a Jewish cabal, it's an Israeli cabal. I know it's a technicality, but I think it's an important distinction to make and to be morally aware of.
Posted by: Observer on 7:23pm Sun 4 May 08
[quote][bold]Wullie[/bold] wrote:
Oddserver the Adolf Eichmann of the herald forum says ''And Blair is a Zionist, that's a fact, and he was financed by a Jewish cabal. The whole project for a new American Century is Zionist, it steps all over Arab culture and Arab thought.'' Oddserver comes out of the wood work, puts on her jackboots and starts jew baiting. Very nice and charming.[/quote] Wullie my anti nazi credentials are in perfect working order. Zionism is a philosophy, you can oppose that without being a Nazi - in the grown up world. I notice you make no mention of the Arabs, that is because in your word view they are not equal to us. You are wrong.
Wullie wrote:
Oddserver the Adolf Eichmann of the herald forum says ''And Blair is a Zionist, that's a fact, and he was financed by a Jewish cabal. The whole project for a new American Century is Zionist, it steps all over Arab culture and Arab thought.'' Oddserver comes out of the wood work, puts on her jackboots and starts jew baiting. Very nice and charming.
Wullie my anti nazi credentials are in perfect working order. Zionism is a philosophy, you can oppose that without being a Nazi - in the grown up world. I notice you make no mention of the Arabs, that is because in your word view they are not equal to us. You are wrong.
Posted by: Melanthios on 7:25pm Sun 4 May 08
Wullie's an erse.. end of.
Wullie's an erse.. end of.
Posted by: Observer on 7:25pm Sun 4 May 08
[quote][bold]Celtic Lion[/bold] wrote:
[bold]Observer[/bold] on 6:44pm today The one point I would strongly disagree with on your post is the general reference to the Jews. Zionism may be a subset of Judaism (with some Christian nutters thrown in) and Israel may be calling all Jews "home" but there are plenty of Jews who are disgusted with Israel (and who themselves have been called anti-Semitic). It isn't a Jewish cabal, it's an Israeli cabal. I know it's a technicality, but I think it's an important distinction to make and to be morally aware of.[/quote] OK point taken I should have phrased it differently, you are right.
Celtic Lion wrote:
Observer on 6:44pm today The one point I would strongly disagree with on your post is the general reference to the Jews. Zionism may be a subset of Judaism (with some Christian nutters thrown in) and Israel may be calling all Jews "home" but there are plenty of Jews who are disgusted with Israel (and who themselves have been called anti-Semitic). It isn't a Jewish cabal, it's an Israeli cabal. I know it's a technicality, but I think it's an important distinction to make and to be morally aware of.
OK point taken I should have phrased it differently, you are right.
Posted by: Melanthios on 7:26pm Sun 4 May 08
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Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 7:43pm Sun 4 May 08
The Jews lived in Israel . The Roman Empire comes along invades Israel and scatters the Jews across the known world. King Edward 1 kicked the Jews out of England. King Philip the second kicked the Jews out of Spain. The Jews suffered in the Russians progroms and finally Adolf Hitler murder's 6 million Jews. The jews decide enough is enough and decide to go back and live in their own country again. Meanwhile Arab carpet sellers have move in and are now squatting on Israel's land.
How would Scots feel if the English threw out all the Scots out of their own country and put in Norwegians. The Scots wouldnt like it.
Finally when Jesus Christ was going to the cross he prophesied to the Jews '' Dont weep for me. Weep for yourselves and your children and your children's children.'' And how right he was.
This will be beyond the ken of Oddserver. She is a pagan who believes in astrology.
The Jews lived in Israel . The Roman Empire comes along invades Israel and scatters the Jews across the known world. King Edward 1 kicked the Jews out of England. King Philip the second kicked the Jews out of Spain. The Jews suffered in the Russians progroms and finally Adolf Hitler murder's 6 million Jews. The jews decide enough is enough and decide to go back and live in their own country again. Meanwhile Arab carpet sellers have move in and are now squatting on Israel's land.
How would Scots feel if the English threw out all the Scots out of their own country and put in Norwegians. The Scots wouldnt like it.
Finally when Jesus Christ was going to the cross he prophesied to the Jews '' Dont weep for me. Weep for yourselves and your children and your children's children.'' And how right he was.
This will be beyond the ken of Oddserver. She is a pagan who believes in astrology.
Posted by: Celtic Lion, Roar on 7:53pm Sun 4 May 08
Wullie
It wasn't just Jews who lived in Israel 2,000 years ago.
Like Christianity, Islam branched from Judaism.
The suggestion that it's okay after 2,000 years and with the argument that
1) the land was promised by their God 4,000 years ago; and
2) they need to return in order for their saviour to arrive from heaven
is ridiculous. It's like telling a number of Britons (not just the English) to return back to their various countries which they came from over the centuries before they invaded.
There's
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