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BBC leaves Scots poorly 'informed'
Study reignites debate over Scottish Six
By Peter John Meiklem

SCOTTISH TV audiences are poorly informed and have a skewed perspective on events in their own country because of a failure by the national BBC news programmes to provide coverage of events outside England.

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When: 8 May 2008
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The verdict, a key finding of a major report commissioned by the BBC Trust, is said to have senior BBC figures "quaking in their boots".

The study, entitled "Accuracy and impartiality in coverage of the four nations", was produced by Professor Anthony King from Essex University. King's brief was to find out how well informed viewers are about the operations of the UK's several devolved administrations.

Senior academics found that a lack of Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish stories in the UK network news left audiences with a skewed perspective on events in their own countries. One example could be the reporting of last month's teachers' strike which could have left viewers with the perception that the action directly affected Scotland when it did not. The report's findings also mean that viewers in England and Wales, at time when Gordon Brown is promoting the importance of "Britishness" are given no regular reporting on what is happening in Scotland if they rely on the BBC for their information.

The study has been described by Cardiff University's School of Journalism head Professor Justin Lewis as "the most substantial piece of research there has ever been in the area". A source close to the BBC in London told the Sunday Herald that senior executives are highly nervous over potential criticism, though they have yet to read the study.

The research will be delivered to the Trust prior to release in the early summer. Precedent suggests it will trigger changes in the way the BBC operates.

Lewis, who co-authored part of the research, was unwilling to discuss the full findings of the study but said it raises issues of "substantial interest". He found many viewers in Scotland consumed their news via network broadcasts such as the 6 o'clock news rather than from watching Scotland-only opt-outs such as Reporting Scotland.

The network news programmes had "very little" coverage of Scottish (or Welsh or Northern Irish) politics. Lewis said: "They say it is not their job to provide this coverage as that is the job of the opt-out news programmes. But if you live in England how much do you learn about your government from the network news Quite a lot. There are key questions and they need to be asked."

The report's findings are likely to re-open a debate north of the border on the best way for news to service the post-devolution age. The idea of a "Scottish Six" - an hour-long news opt-out programme looking at the world from a Scottish perspective - was proposed by BBC Scotland 10 years ago, but rejected by BBC governors in 1998.

In his 2002 autobiography The Harder Path, former BBC director-general John Birt revealed he was under pressure from Labour ministers to kill the plan. Alistair Darling, then secretary of state for social security, and now chancellor, is said to be one of several ministers who feared a "Scottish six" would contribute to the break up of the United Kingdom.

Greg Dyke, who as director-general between 2000 and 2004, rejected demands for an hour-long Scottish opt-out told the Sunday Herald that he now supported the idea of a new programme "provided it's what the people of Scotland want".

Dyke said research he commissioned in 2004, claiming there was no public demand for such a programme, was now "out of date" and said new research should be carried out. He said: "I felt I never really questioned whether it the 2004 research was a fair representation."

Currently the BBC still regards non-London newsrooms as not the place for UK-wide or international news to be analysed. Any change to that culture would require substantial funding to BBC Scotland to be able to compete with the authority of BBC network news programmes and the newly rebranded BBC News 24, now called BBC News. An inferior, poorly funded Scottish Six for example would simply be ignored by the BBC teams of specialist correspondents unless its commissioning editors proved their input was worth it and had a good audience.

The Scottish Broadcasting Commission (SBC), the independent body set up by First Minister Alex Salmond to investigate the broadcasting industry, is currently examining ways in which news informs Scottish democracy. Headed by former BBC Scotland head of news, Blair Jenkins, it is widely believed that the commission will recommend alternatives to the way news is delivered to Scottish viewers.

Several alternatives are being discussed in anticipation of the King research. One involves a half-hour broadcast, going out some time between 6pm and 10pm, put together in much the same way that Radio Scotland compiles its news. This would consist of international news from a Scottish perspective using the BBC's network of international correspondents, but compiled by editors in Scotland. "We wouldn't be sending Jackie Bird to Baghdad," says one source close to BBC Scotland.

That programme would not have to go out on BBC1 or BBC2. It has been suggested that digital channels BBC 3 or BBC News (formerly News 24) might provide a home for the broadcast, although smaller audiences for these channels might undermine the programme's rationale. All options are thought to be financially viable.

Atholl Duncan, BBC Scotland's head of news and current affairs, said change is likely, but only in the context of the continual evolution of the BBC's service, and not in response to outward political pressure.

Duncan said that change will come from a "position of strength", arguing that BBC Scotland's news output is better than ever. On the question of better covering of Scottish politics, Duncan points towards the corporation's Digital Democracy project, a new internet initiative aiming to provide a greater depth of coverage of all the UK's parliaments than there has ever been before. Duncan also points to political editor Brian Taylor's blog, currently the 15th most popular from the entire BBC.

Duncan said: "Our news output in Scotland is constantly changing and evolving. The pace of change in the industry at the moment is astonishing. People now want their news when they want it and on what platform they want it. I think the debate is now about how we best serve Scottish audiences."

David Hutchison, a research fellow in media policy from Glasgow Caledonian University, said the only reason BBC executives are now "quaking in their boots" was the SNP's election victory a year ago.

He said the idea of Scottish perspective opt-out had always been a workable option passed over for political reasons. However, he says whatever way the BBC decide to change things there were still risks attached.

"There is a real danger that audiences will cease to be informed about what is going on in other parts of the UK. There is a real risk of parochialism."

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Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 11:58pm Sat 3 May 08
national BBC
For goodness sake Mr Meiklem, what bloody country are you talking about?

The UK is not a nation.

Jezz oh, I had better get to bed or I'll be posting as Buster Bloodvessel next.
Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on  Sun 4 May 08
Brian Taylor's blog, currently the 15th most popular from the entire BBC.

Is that 15th out of 15?
Posted by: Oscar on 12:02am Sun 4 May 08
Look how often on the 'national' BBC news a story is covered in either Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland by the BBC's Scottish, Welsh or Northern Ireland Special correspondent. Then when we have our condescending 25 minute opt out to the news 'where we are', we see the same story covered by 'our' special correspondent. It's duplicitous, aggravating and costly. The practise has to be stopped.

It's not just the 'UK' look how often 'our' news focuses on the USA, be it celebrities, politics, even the flipping weather.

We know more about one country thousands of miles across an Ocean than we do our nearest neighbours in Europe.

When was the last time the UK news focussed on a European story other than a grisly horror story?
Posted by: Solomon, Sterling on 12:03am Sun 4 May 08
Duns 11:58
Now don't you think that you are behaving with Bad Manners!
Couldn't resist it.
Posted by: Morag, Peeblesshire on 12:08am Sun 4 May 08

So why is it worse for people in Scotland to be poorly informed about what's going on in "other parts of the UK", then for them to be poorly informed about what's going on in Scotland, and for people in other parts of the UK also to be uninformed about events in Scotland?

The idea that any new programme would not be on BBC1 is a real downer though. We can't get Freeview here at all, and probably won't see it for at least another two years. Am I supposed to invest in Sky to watch my own country's news? 6pm on BBC1 is where it's at, and burying a Scottish new programme somewhere else will do nothing for either viewling figures or credibility.

Posted by: Jwil, Lanarkshire on 12:10am Sun 4 May 08
Atholl Duncan, BBC Scotland's head of news and current affairs, said change is likely, but only in the context of the continual evolution of the BBC's service, and not in response to outward political pressure.

I think you are already responding to political pressure. I suspect that 'Continual evolution' will not be fast enough?

Atholl Duncamn seems to be one of the heads that is not worried about the trustees report.
Maybe its time for a clean out at the top.
Posted by: paul h, fife on 12:11am Sun 4 May 08
The very least, and first, change we need is for a, quality (see Ian MacWhirter),'Scottis
h six'. I don't see any reasons why it should have to be an hour long however. Another good change would be a weather map that wasn't tilted to make Scotland look like it was in a galaxy far, far, away and smaller than Cornwall.

Change the channel and you get the ITN news at Ten- which it seems to me to be a a kind of 'Reporting South East of England'.
Posted by: viewer on 12:14am Sun 4 May 08
listen folks there are 2 forces at play

percieved empire maintenance vs relevantion viewer information

no contest the imperialistic mindset will hold in short term then the tidal wave wil lengulf them when they cannot frame the debate

so prepare to be patronised -- then whoosh it will be sorted properly
Posted by: Morag, Peeblesshire on 12:14am Sun 4 May 08

I lived in England for many years. The 6.30 to 7 slot there was truly local. The presenters went out and about covering local events, and every week we were told what was on in the local theatres and entertainment venues. Cat stuck up a tree never quite made it as far as I noticed, but it was close.

Actually, I miss that. I miss the friendly local presenters and the village-pump atmosphere. Reporting Scotland doesn't have a hope of achieving that given the size of the catchment area, even if it didn't have to cover all the national Scottish politics and news as well.

I'd love to see national Scottish news and international news from a Scottish perspective for the first half hour, including whatever was happening in England of course, and then have the second half hour for really local news. All 6-7 on BBC1.

Dream on, I suppose.

Posted by: jim mitchell, Sauchie, Clack's on 12:25am Sun 4 May 08
Morag, it needn't be a case of dream on, so long as we are all prepared to do something about it and let the powers that be know that.

This is just another instance of something that everyone knows is right for Scotland being denied because it doesn't suit the political perspective of others.

So what do we do? we get rid of the others
Posted by: Im no really here on 12:33am Sun 4 May 08
BBC leaves Scots poorly 'informed'
Well, if Scots had to rely solely on the BBC they WOULD be poorly informed and probably still voting for Labour.
Posted by: Andrew BOD, Aberdeen on 12:58am Sun 4 May 08
Morag
I'd love to see national Scottish news and international news from a Scottish perspective for the first half hour, including whatever was happening in England of course, and then have the second half hour for really local news. All 6-7 on BBC1.

Exactly what I thought.

Fill in the Feedback Form. If lots of people do it them more weight will be attached to the recommendations....

http://www.scottishb
roadcastingcommissio
n.gov.uk/
Posted by: Jwil, Lanarkshire on 1:24am Sun 4 May 08
Broadcasters in democracy debate (from an article on BBC Scotland website).

This debate is to take place soon, organized by the Scottish Broadcasting Commission.

This would be an ideal opportunity for the BBC to demonstrate its committment to informing the people of Scotland, by broadcasting the debate live on, say, BBC 2. It must have as much status in importance to Scots as the London Mayoral election had to Londoners where there was saturation coverage nationwide.
Posted by: Cynicus on 1:33am Sun 4 May 08
Atholl Duncan, BBC Scotland's head of news and current affairs, said change is likely, but only in the context of the continual evolution of the BBC's service, and not in response to outward political pressure.
How seriously should we take this claim? This seriously:


In his 2002 autobiography The Harder Path, former BBC director-general John Birt revealed he was under pressure from Labour ministers to kill the plan. Alistair Darling, then secretary of state for social security, and now chancellor, is said to be one of several ministers who feared a "Scottish six" would contribute to the break up of the United Kingdom?


Does Mr Duncan REALLY mean that he will not respond to political pressure, except from the government?
Posted by: azg, Glasgow on 2:56am Sun 4 May 08
...

David Hutchison ... said the idea of Scottish perspective opt-out had always been a workable option passed over for political reasons. However, he says whatever way the BBC decide to change things there were still risks attached.

"There is a real danger that audiences will cease to be informed about what is going on in other parts of the UK. There is a real risk of parochialism."...



(bolding mine)

Oh really? And hearing more about England - oops, sorry, London area - more than we do about Scotland is somehow supposed to be all right? Oh, that's fine, then.

I have given up on telly and every time I do see the B.B.C. news I find I am usually appalled.

Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 3:23am Sun 4 May 08
Ive always been more interested in the cricket scores in Sussex and the weather in Trumpton and Camberwick Green than Scotland's wealth of oil and gas, £50 million a day being wasted by liebour spivs.

Keep the Scots dumb and ignorant. That's what liebour wants.
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 5:06am Sun 4 May 08
The verdict, a key finding of a major report commissioned by the BBC Trust, is said to have senior BBC figures "quaking in their boots".


Quaking in their boots my arse - their laughing up their sleeves. That lot couldn't give a toss what Scots think. They're in control and they're not about to change that. The British Propaganda Corporation has a job to do - now more than ever.
Posted by: Macuistean, Isle of Tiree on 5:28am Sun 4 May 08
I have frequently complained to the BBC or should I say English Broadcasting Corporation about the English coverage and been told that they can't cover Scottish stories because of time restrictions. It angered me when their reporters regarded England as an island and Britain didn't exist except in Roman history. Have you noticed how difficult it is for an English person to say the word "Britain"? Anyway, I think the BBC "National" news and their Breakfast show are excellent in promoting Scottish Independence. These two programmes make me feel as if I'm in a foreign country and can't wait for them to say the wonderful words "In the former United Kingdom".
Posted by: Richard Davis, Vienna on 6:28am Sun 4 May 08
This is news? I always thought the BBC was English television station that reported mainly on English matters.Thank God for the Scottish Papers
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 6:50am Sun 4 May 08
EBC biased and pompous? Surely not.
Posted by: Scott2006, Outside Glasgow on 6:57am Sun 4 May 08
Naked Video, a comedy from the BBC years ago... where the parody of a one man TV station played by the character actor Gregor Fisher set in the outer hebridies - is no longer a joke but a prophetic vision coming to fruition.
Mr A Duncan
change will come from a "position of strength", arguing that BBC Scotland's news output is better than ever.


I disagree - but I suppose if your job depended on it - you might have to present a favourable outlook - even if for a polished turd.
Posted by: Guga, Rockall on 7:45am Sun 4 May 08
It's time the iniquitous television tax was scrapped, and the EBC was forced to compete on the open market.

It is also time that Scotland had its own broadcasting service that actually reports on news and current affairs in Scotland. There is also no reason that a Scottish news programme cannot have international news coverage as well.

As pointed out above, the EBC is full of English news stories on their so-called "national" news, many of which are totally irrelevant to Scotland. However, when they do report on the odd Scottish item, they waste taxpayers money by sending some English reporter to Scotland to cover it. The same item, when it is reported on the little bit of Scottish news the EBC allows us, is covered by a Scottish reporter. Why do they have to send English reporters to Scotland to duplicate news coverage?

The sooner we are independent, and have our own broadcasting system, among other things, the better.
Posted by: Andy, Embra on 8:15am Sun 4 May 08
The flip side of this whole thing is that English friends are amazingly ill-informed about the goings-on in Scotland. I've had several folk join my work this year from down south and, for example, none of them had the least idea of the Angelika Kluk murder or the Donald Trump affair. The EBC is a reality, no matter who "Reithian" they might try to be.
Posted by: maria, scotland on 8:43am Sun 4 May 08
thank goodness we have research to report on this this totally scandalous 'state' of affairs !
i've turned to the internet to get a more informative view of Scottish news - and a more balanced view of national/european/in
ternational news - and I don't have to go far to get the information I want - I have RSS feeds set up on the more dependable channels and the news I want is delivered to my fingertips
Posted by: John B, Glasgow on 8:48am Sun 4 May 08
It looks as if Darling wants to keep Labour's cold, clammy hands on Scottish opinion which is probably why we have the well-vaselined Gordon Brewer shouting his opinions rather than questions at SNP politicians and treating unionist policians with velvet gloves.

Incidentally, I would not like to try and pronounce Atholl's name after a few drams.
Posted by: Charles McGrory, Glasgow on 8:52am Sun 4 May 08
Oscar: Good Point on Europe. For some four years, I counted on BBC, ITV and C4, all informative English language programmes about Europe. Answer: 1 and two others were satirical, except for Eorpa our Gaelic channel where I read interesting information about Europe albeit in subtitles.

From the London media, I know more about the sex life of the sea otter than about our nearest markets of some 350 million people.

Conclusion: ‘They’ don’t want us to know about the outside world beyond London and the Home Counties… and their censored world-view.
Posted by: Freethinker, North Lanarkshire on 8:52am Sun 4 May 08
Morag wrote:
So why is it worse for people in Scotland to be poorly informed about what's going on in "other parts of the UK", then for them to be poorly informed about what's going on in Scotland, and for people in other parts of the UK also to be uninformed about events in Scotland? The idea that any new programme would not be on BBC1 is a real downer though. We can't get Freeview here at all, and probably won't see it for at least another two years. Am I supposed to invest in Sky to watch my own country's news? 6pm on BBC1 is where it's at, and burying a Scottish new programme somewhere else will do nothing for either viewling figures or credibility.
"Senior academics found that a lack of Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish stories in the UK network news left audiences with a skewed perspective on events in their own countries".

Now. If you read the story you'll have seen that i'm quoting from the story. Yes! No theory just facts.
Posted by: HEN BROON, SCOTLAND on 8:54am Sun 4 May 08
Scott2006 wrote:
Naked Video, a comedy from the BBC years ago... where the parody of a one man TV station played by the character actor Gregor Fisher set in the outer hebridies - is no longer a joke but a prophetic vision coming to fruition.
Mr A Duncan
change will come from a \"position of strength\", arguing that BBC Scotland\'s news output is better than ever.


I disagree - but I suppose if your job depended on it - you might have to present a favourable outlook - even if for a polished turd.
Spot on Scott. The BBC on Pacific Quay is full of frightened people, who dance to the London tune. Aparatchiks and sycophants of the fading Empire. Hit men and black spot committees are frequently parachuted in from London to decide what or who is next for the chop.

Pacific Quay is out of propotion to it's surroundings and to the work that comes from it. BBC Scotland could now be run from a Portakabin in Partick. We have seen the contempt they have for Scotland in their ghost dramas which say 'Made In Scotland' because the tea lady slept with a Scottish electrician.

We also see the contempt in the likes of the cringing Kirsty Wark and her arrogant treatment of Alex Salmond. And Glenn Campbell on the embarrassing Scottish Newsnight, who has the most unfortunate accent in Britain, grating and whining in his nasaly faux Hebridean tone, which makes even the natives of that place lunge at their remotes.

And why does Gordon Brewer always look as if he has just been dooking for chips?
Posted by: Freethinker, North Lanarkshire on 9:02am Sun 4 May 08
An interesting point that Winnie Ewing made in her biography was that if the BBC had existed in 1920, Ireland wouldn't have achieved independence.
Posted by: Astonished, Inverclyde on 9:07am Sun 4 May 08
The situation can no longer be tolerated, Scotland needs fair and balanced reporting. The BBC have repeatedly failed to even attempt balanced reporting.

Heads must roll and difficult questions must be asked of the sleazy party.
Posted by: heavy, Glasgow on 9:07am Sun 4 May 08
MASS MEDIA FUNCTIONS AS A PROPAGANDA TOOL FOR THE ELITE
(The Herald seems to have broken the mould despite occasional sudden mass moderation of topics concerning Sheridan or charities)

At a time of growing public disenchantment with the major media, millions now rely on alternate sources. Many online and print ones are credible. One of the world's most relied on is not - the BBC. It's an imperial tool, as corrupted as its dominant counterparts, been around longer than all of them, now in it for profit, and it's vital that people know who BBC represents and what it delivers.

It was close but not quite the world's first broadcaster. Other European nations claim the distinction along with KDKA Pittsburgh as the oldest US one. BBC's web site states: "The British Broadcasting Company Ltd (its original name) was formed in October 1922....and began broadcasting on November 14....By 1925 the BBC could be heard throughout most of the UK. (Its) biggest influence....was its general manager, John Reith (who) envisioned an independent British broadcaster able to educate, inform and entertain the whole nation, free from political interference and commercial pressure."

That's what BBC says. Here's a different view from Media Lens. It's an independent "UK-based media-watch project....offer(ing
) authoritative criticism" reflecting "reality" that's free from the corrupting influence of media corporations and the governments they support.

Its creators and editors (Davids Cromwell and Edwards) ask: "Can the BBC tell the truth....when its senior managers are appointed by the government" and will be fired if they step out of line and become too critical. It notes that nothing "fundamentally changed since BBC founder Lord Reith wrote the establishment: 'They know they can trust us not to be really impartial.' " He didn't disappoint, nor have his successors like current Director-General and Chairman of the Executive Board Mark Thompson along with Michael Lyons, Chairman, BBC Trust that replaced the Board of Governors on January 1, 2007 and oversees BBC operations.

On January 1, 1927, BBC was granted a Royal Charter, made a state-owned and funded corporation, still pretends to be quasi-autonomous, and changed its name to its present one - The British Broadcasting Corporation. Its first Charter ran for 10 years, succeeding ones were renewed for equal fixed length periods, BBC is in its ninth Charter period, and is perhaps more dominant, pervasive and corrupted than ever in an age of marketplace everything and space-age technology with which to operate.

It's now the world's largest broadcaster, has about 28,000 UK employees and a vast number of worldwide correspondents and support staff nearly everywhere or close enough to get there for breaking news. It's government-funded from revenues UK residents pay monthly to operate their television receivers - currently around 22 US dollars, and it also has other growing income sources from its worldwide commercial operations supplementing its noncommercial ones at home.

Most important is how BBC functions, who it serves, and Media Lens' editors explain it best and keep at it with regular updates. They argue that the entire mass media, including BBC, function as a "propaganda system for elite interests." It's especially true for topics mattering most - war and peace, "vast corporate criminality," US-UK duplicity, and "threats to the very existence of human life." They're systematically "distorted, suppressed, marginalized or ignored" in a decades-long public trust betrayal by an organization claiming "honesty, integrity (is) what the BBC stands for (and it's) free from political influence and commercial pressure."
Full article here
http://www.rense.com
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Posted by: The West Awake, Argyll on 9:10am Sun 4 May 08
"Atholl Duncan, BBC Scotland's head of news and current affairs, said change is likely, but only in the context of the continual evolution of the BBC's service, and not in response to outward political pressure."

- Wrong! Atholl, son. This sort of patronising, arrogant junk maybe made sense before last May. From now on the Scottish people will decide what happens in Scotland. People like you risk being marooned in the Labour past.

"There is a real danger that audiences will cease to be informed about what is going on in other parts of the UK. There is a real risk of parochialism."

- More trash. Since when did the UK equate to being cosmopolitan? The BBC sees the world through English imperialistic and xenophobic eyes.
Parochial means Scotland being forced to look at the world through a UK prism.
We must leave the UK - and join the world!!!

Posted by: Alec M, Falkirk on 9:14am Sun 4 May 08
I agree wholeheartedly with the thrust of the majority of postings above but would like to point to another equally dismissive area of the BBC's coverage - Question Time on BBC1 and "Any Questions" on Radio 4. When these are broadcast from England, the panel content is frequently either entirely English or a mixture of English and Unionist politicians. On their occasional forays outwith England panellists generally consist of a majority from the hosting country.

To counteract the preponderance of English opinion thus radiating throughout the UK (as long as it exists!), fairness and neutrality demands a rotating input from among the SNP, Plaid Cymru and an opposition NI party, without increasing the numbers of panellists taking part
Posted by: Mac, Dundee on 9:20am Sun 4 May 08
The problem here is the BBC's London centric view of things. For over 80 years Scotland, Wales and the English regions have been poorly served by an establishment organisation that sees it's job as maintaining the status quo of empire in the fight against parochialsim.

The BBC should be broken up.
Posted by: lobeydosser, Woodlands Road on 9:21am Sun 4 May 08
You all seem to be banging on about the BBC, which uis understandable as it is funded with public money. However there are glimers of hope in it; Eorpa - good articles even although I have to read the sub-titles and the BBC Radio Scotland news - although this could be given a jag up the b*m now and again.

However what about Scotland Today, there is no reason as to why it could not get its act together and have a more Scotocentric, slick and professional approach to news items.
Posted by: Freethinker on 9:31am Sun 4 May 08
The West Awake wrote:
"Atholl Duncan, BBC Scotland's head of news and current affairs, said change is likely, but only in the context of the continual evolution of the BBC's service, and not in response to outward political pressure." - Wrong! Atholl, son. This sort of patronising, arrogant junk maybe made sense before last May. From now on the Scottish people will decide what happens in Scotland. People like you risk being marooned in the Labour past. "There is a real danger that audiences will cease to be informed about what is going on in other parts of the UK. There is a real risk of parochialism." - More trash. Since when did the UK equate to being cosmopolitan? The BBC sees the world through English imperialistic and xenophobic eyes. Parochial means Scotland being forced to look at the world through a UK prism. We must leave the UK - and join the world!!!
Excellent post. Bang on. As usual, the blog response to the article is much more informing as to the real world and not the Establishment 'Disneyworld'.
Posted by: Astonished, Inverclyde on 9:55am Sun 4 May 08
How would you know that a nuclear bomb had been dropped on a Scottish city ?

Ans :- It would be the seventh item on the BBC news.

An old joke but it says it all.
Posted by: McSomeone, Scotland on 9:59am Sun 4 May 08
Oh well if most of these posts are anything to go by it's obviously failed to fulfil it's task so might as well get rid of the BBC and set up an independent Scottish Broadcasting Service.
Posted by: Freethinker, North Lanarkshire on 10:00am Sun 4 May 08
Cynicus wrote:
Atholl Duncan, BBC Scotland's head of news and current affairs, said change is likely, but only in the context of the continual evolution of the BBC's service, and not in response to outward political pressure.
How seriously should we take this claim? This seriously:
In his 2002 autobiography The Harder Path, former BBC director-general John Birt revealed he was under pressure from Labour ministers to kill the plan. Alistair Darling, then secretary of state for social security, and now chancellor, is said to be one of several ministers who feared a "Scottish six" would contribute to the break up of the United Kingdom?
Does Mr Duncan REALLY mean that he will not respond to political pressure, except from the government?
... another example... Liebor's Alistair Darling another sc-called Scot sh!ting on Scotland and it's people...

Scotland has to rid itself of the Liebor and SLAB cancer. How long do we wait?
Posted by: stonehaven on 10:25am Sun 4 May 08
The West Awake wrote:
"Atholl Duncan, BBC Scotland's head of news and current affairs, said change is likely, but only in the context of the continual evolution of the BBC's service, and not in response to outward political pressure."

- Wrong! Atholl, son. This sort of patronising, arrogant junk maybe made sense before last May. From now on the Scottish people will decide what happens in Scotland. People like you risk being marooned in the Labour past.

"There is a real danger that audiences will cease to be informed about what is going on in other parts of the UK. There is a real risk of parochialism."

- More trash. Since when did the UK equate to being cosmopolitan? The BBC sees the world through English imperialistic and xenophobic eyes.
Parochial means Scotland being forced to look at the world through a UK prism.
We must leave the UK - and join the world!!!

Well said! It seems to work pretty well on BBC Radio Scotland news programs so why not on the television.

Incidently, the Scottish Six needs to be on BBC1, instead of the current UK version. Nothing less will do, certainly not a digital channel.
Posted by: Valentinus on 10:26am Sun 4 May 08
The biggest argument against a Scottish Six has to be the dismal quality of the current BBC Scottish half-six––its interest in homespun trivia; its student-standard interviewing; its obsession with football (why not a standing item each night on Scottish culture? Scottish Education? Scottish Science?); its curious preoccupation with stories about car parking (yes, I'm serious).

Put your telly off. The Radio 4 6.00pm news is the best in the world. And it's often followed by some great comedy at 6.30, even funnier than Reporting Scotland.
Posted by: Jwil, Lanarkshire on 10:37am Sun 4 May 08
The Radio 4 6.00pm news is the best in the world. And it's often followed by some great comedy at 6.30, even funnier than Reporting Scotland.

Radio 4, great, and with a Scot in the lead to boot!
Posted by: alex armstrong, stirling on 10:45am Sun 4 May 08
The problem with the BBC is its sheer arrogance aptly displayed by Atholl Duncan suggesting that political influence will have no effect on changes in the BBC but it would be through "evolution".Why do these people treat us as though we are feeble-minded,its the people through politics that have demanded change and are going to get it.We are talking about terrestial tv yet he rambles on about the internet.Not everyone can afford a commputer Mr Duncan.WHAT A TWIT.The BBC is not interested in Scotland when we are continually bombarded by "statistics for England and Wales" and an English weather map. Why are Scottish ,Nr Irish or Welsh newspapers never reviwed, only English ones.It is rightly called the EBC.
Posted by: alex armstrong, stirling on 10:45am Sun 4 May 08
The problem with the BBC is its sheer arrogance aptly displayed by Atholl Duncan suggesting that political influence will have no effect on changes in the BBC but it would be through "evolution".Why do these people treat us as though we are feeble-minded,its the people through politics that have demanded change and are going to get it.We are talking about terrestial tv yet he rambles on about the internet.Not everyone can afford a commputer Mr Duncan.WHAT A TWIT.The BBC is not interested in Scotland when we are continually bombarded by "statistics for England and Wales" and an English weather map. Why are Scottish ,Nr Irish or Welsh newspapers never reviwed, only English ones.It is rightly called the EBC.
Posted by: Anne on 10:56am Sun 4 May 08
Couldn't say it better Alex Armstrong!!
Posted by: redleb, buchan on 10:57am Sun 4 May 08
JWIL,

You are right, radio 4 is so much better than the television I got rid of mine a couple of years ago. BUT you still have to listen to Radio 4 going on about the english school system, the english legal system, the labour vs tory stushie as if they were the only political parties in the country.

Radio Scotland's equivalent news shows sound under-produced, under-funded, a bit amateurish - all those continuity errors that Radio 4 never has, the wrong interview tape etc.

Posted by: wee folding bike on 10:57am Sun 4 May 08
Parts of it are poor. I rarely watch BBC1 outwith the news. I watch the news for guys like Jeremy Bowen and John Simpson. I watch BBC2 and 4 for Timewatch and Attenborough and other documentaries... and QI of course.

Cbeebies is good. Informative, entertaining and no ads for program tie in toys.

I listen to Radio 4 unless it's the Archers, Quote, unquote or that awful tune at 0059 hrs.

Were else would Humph have been give reign to use lines like The Lovely Samantha enjoys a bit of tongue in cider

The Shipping Forecast has no equal. I don't know why that's just the way it is.
Posted by: wee folding bike on 11:00am Sun 4 May 08
Mark Urban and Frank Gardiner. They rock too.
Posted by: wee folding bike on 11:01am Sun 4 May 08
Ooooo, Working Lunch. Economics for people who don't like economics.
Posted by: Politically-incorrec t Man, Glasgow on 11:02am Sun 4 May 08
As well as Scottish local news bulletins I have the dubious pleasure of periodically watching the regional news for Northern Ireland and the Look North English program and can assure you that the problem is not restricted to Scotland.

All the regional news programs “where you are” are hamstrung by the presence of the “National News” preceding them. You end up with extremely parochial regional programs and most of the “serious news” comes in the main bulletin. The BBC has unnecessary regional correspondents all over the place duplicating services already present in the regions.

All these regional programs are a reflection of the attitude that “civilisation stops at Watford Gap” which pervades the BBC and Westminster. The fundamental fault lies in the “National News” program the existence which implies that the regions are incapable of reportage of items of national or international significance and again demonstrates the insular thought-processes of the BBC.
Posted by: Marian, Edinburgh on 11:10am Sun 4 May 08
The problem with the present set-up are manyfold as the above article and Iain McWhirter say. As a public service broadcaster the BBC does Scotland a great disservice with its amateurish production values and content. BBC Radio Scotland used to have excellent news coverage from a Scottish perspective before the frivolous and odious Garry Robertson intervened. A return to that kind of excellence on TV should be the target.. Replacement News presenters should be recruited from the excellent pool of internationally renowned Scots professional journalists and the "mutt and jeff" pair that currently present the BBC Scottish "news" consigned to oblivion. Sport reporting should be genuinely all embracing of Sport in Scotland instead of confining itself to tedious reports on the minutae of Rangers and Celtic every evening - or better still give Rangers and Celtic supporters their own programme so that the majority of Sport in Scotland can be reported fairly within the BBC Scottish News.
Posted by: Scotfree, Erskine on 11:29am Sun 4 May 08
Why shouldn't Jackie Bird comment from Baghdad? Did she not go to the right school, university, or might she be "off message"? Not "one of us", like Christie Wark a labour unionist stooge. Has Jackie Bird been informed of her status, how does she feel about it? The BBC has, from it’s inception been an establishment tool of mass propaganda. Reich was aware of this and was a useful tool during the General Strike but was conveniently made to resign before Britain’s war against Germany. Remember George Owell’s "Ministry of Truth" that ensured consistent lies (even a consistent lie on history) was based on his experiences at the BBC. The BBC has and continues to play a key role in Scottish oppression. From it role in denying Scotland oil wealth, to pulling documentaries on Scotland’s wealth, and in the it serialisation of "Scotch on the Rocks" by the Tory Pear and MI5 operative Hurd prior to the 1979 election. Its ongoing denial over 30 years of Scotlands oil wealth it's support and nurturing of Labour Unionist Stooges (Gordon Brown, Wark etc). It is a disgrace that this goes on in parallel with a terror based tax on Scottish people having to pay to be lied to, robed and terrorised by this evil organisation. Now that Jackie Bird knows her servile status will she and her contemporaries in Scotland lead a revolt against "Ministry of Truth" and its support for the "Ministry of Peace's" genocide in Baghdad and Iraq? Don't hold your breath.
Posted by: Sam Smiles, Glasgow on 11:47am Sun 4 May 08
In everyday conversation Scottish people talk about O Levels (which only ever existed in England and Wales) and about an English news agenda e.g. teachers pay disputes, asylum seekers and aspects of English Law e.g. trespass or contract which are quite different in Scotland. Much of this confusion comes about because we are forced to watch 'National' news programmes which are actually English news programmes which are better produced than the Scottish opt-outs.

The unattractive phrase 'world news from a Scottish angle' merely betrays the BBC myth of impartiality - what we have now is world news from the viewpoint of a narrow but powerful strata of English society based south of a line from the Wash to the Severn estuary.
Posted by: Ronald Ronaldson, Edinburgh on 11:57am Sun 4 May 08
Take a look at RTE news (http://www.rte.ie/n
ews/). If BBC Scotland could apply some of the lessons that can be learned from Irish news provision, we would be getting somewhere.

Alas, one must be realistic, however. BBC Scotland exists to serve and preserve the Union. The leopard does not change its spots. Better to kill it and replace it.
Posted by: gion1972, stonehouse on 12:04pm Sun 4 May 08
The priorities of the BBC can clearly be seen by the coverage of the London Mayoral elections. This has been the No.1 story for most of the past 4 weeks far outweighly the coverage of the local elections taking place at the same time. This impact on Scotland............

...zero. The direction of the BBC will continue to be decided by Westminster who view Scotland as a region and fail to understand or choose to ingnore the reality that Scotland is a country in its own right. This coverage is also reflected in the print media who, with a couple of notable exceptions believe a couple of local sports pages is all the information Scots require about their nation
Posted by: DougtheDug on 12:07pm Sun 4 May 08
The network news programmes had "very little" coverage of Scottish (or Welsh or Northern Irish) politics. Lewis said: "They say it is not their job to provide this coverage as that is the job of the opt-out news programmes.

The problem with BBC coverage in Scotland is simply a mirror of how the UK is structured politically.

The default state is that Britain is England is Britain. This is reflected in Parliament where Scotland, Wales and NI have "opt-out" parliaments which do regional legislation but England is governed by the UK parliament. There is no "BBC England" in the same way there is no "English Parliament". This matches how the commercial broadcasters work as well. ITN news is for England / Britain and the Scottish opt-out is very much a provincial afterthought. The UK is split into regions, Scotland being just one of them. Again this was the plan with devolution where Scotland, Wales and NI were designed to be just three other regions in a sea of English regions.

In terms of population, institutions and the mindset of those who control the broadcasting we live in England. The idea of a "BBC England" or "ITN England" doing English only news is as ludicrous to the broadcasters as the idea of an English parliament is to politicians in Westminster.

If BBC Scotland did the Scottish news stories and BBC England did the English news stories all that would be left on the "British" BBC is international news and items on UK wide legislation such as terrorism. Even then the differing law systems in England and Scotland would probably force it to differentiate on what the UK legislation meant on each side of the border.

News and current affairs are a mixture of national and international news and an artificial split, in the eyes of the broadcasters, into "English" and "British" news would be a disaster for the centrally produced news programs. How would they do it? Separate presenters and logos for "English" and "British" news even though they will broadcast it from the same studio? No chance. The whole idea of splitting "English" news from "British" news is a non-starter. The same applies to all current affairs and political programs.

The political ramifications of a non-unified BBC are also too big for the Unionists to contemplate. Scots might see their country and culture through their own eyes rather than as a regional and provincial culture through the distorting lens of London broadcasting.

If as Scots we want to control our own broadcasting then the only way to get it is to control our own country. This is what commentators such as Iain MacWhirter fail to understand. Devolution will never give Scotland a "national" broadcasting system.
Posted by: Archie, Argyll on 12:10pm Sun 4 May 08
The BBC remind me of Glasgow council.

I no longer have a TV.

TFFT.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 1:04pm Sun 4 May 08
The priorities of the BBC can clearly be seen by the coverage of the London Mayoral elections. This has been the No.1 story for most of the past 4 weeks
Comment from breathless BBC News reporter on election night: "Boris Johnson has become the most powerful man in Britain !"

One other point: We have to shake off the idea that a Scottish accent is somehow second-rate for broadcasting. Accent and erudition are two separate things.

This inferiority complex is yet another manifestation of being subjected to decades of "Standard Southern" accent, (BBC spoken English) class distinction exemplified by English public school education.

The rest of the world, particularly the Americans, appreciate our accents. It's the London boys "Wot fink it don't travel well, mate. Know wot Oy mean?"

By that yardstick the Americans would suppress Brooklyn accents, Black rap, Chicago, Texan, anything that did not comply with Washington-ease.



Posted by: Disgusted Dorothy, Glasgow on 1:14pm Sun 4 May 08
Reporting Scotland has been outstanding in its ability to lie by omission.
Selected stories have been pathetic.
My favourite was during the Wendy Alexander donations scandal , when we were treated to the world champion knitter story.
No harm to the lady, indeed I congratulate her wholeheartedly, but under the circumstances how ridiculous was that?
My other was the opening question to the leader of the SNP after last May, " what would you say to people who are afraid this evening?"
A question that would NOT have been asked of any other party ,in particular the Labour Party.
Indeed the entire Scottish BBC crew are very selective in their questioning of the opposition parties, particularly the Labour Party , who still get an unjustified amount of air time and are interviewd by air heads , who appear disinclined to follow up on anything they say.
I have to pay for a licence for the kind of bias I don't enjoy, indeed it causes me to throw things at the TV , and I may yet put my boot through it.
Yes , I know that I can watch another channel , but I now feel I have to keep an eye on the Biased Broadcasting Company so that I at least can voice a valid complaint.
I do watch well presented national and international news on Channel 4, but it has little Scottish input.
However it has a good team and they ask everyone difficult questions.
Posted by: Quine, Aberdeen on 1:23pm Sun 4 May 08
Has anyone seen the comments, "The Industry View" on Page 3 of the newspaper today? One commentator is Ted Brocklebank, Tory MSP and shadow minister for Culture.

Verbatim: "What we don't need is a Scottish Six or anything parochial of that kind looking at international events through tartan tinted spectacles. What we need is better education of the national based producers."

The playing of the chippy, parochial card showing the Tories true perspective of our nation. Just when you thought Annabel had sorted them out and all and made them a viable alternative to the SNP.
Posted by: Jwil, Lanarkshire on 1:23pm Sun 4 May 08
"Atholl Duncan"

Sounds as though its straight out of the "Best Scottish Cookbook". Or was that something else?#

One can go far with a name like that!
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 1:25pm Sun 4 May 08

Quine Aberdeen
Brocklebank verbatim: "What we don't need is a Scottish Six or anything parochial of that kind looking at international events through tartan tinted spectacles. What we need is better education of the national based producers."
That is a prime example of inferiority complex of which we are famous.

He's no idea he is exhibiting personal uncertainty; it doesn't occur to him he is demeaning him self and his culture.

Posted by: megz, glasgow on 1:26pm Sun 4 May 08
http://www.dailyexpr
ess.co.uk/posts/view
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Interesting news, thank god for the internet eh rather than the BBC. It is shocking that the then labour government deprived scots for blatant political advantage.
Posted by: Jwil, Lanarkshire on 1:29pm Sun 4 May 08
I hope all these guys in positions of influence get to read these posts. Its the equivalent of the medieval pastime of putting people in the stocks and throwing tomatoes at them.