My mother was stabbed on the streets of Shettleston ... today they are even worse GLASGOW EAST BY-ELECTION SPECIAL REPORT: By Jane Godley WESTMINSTER POT-LICKERS
HAVE BEEN blocking up roads in their fancy cars and following the 62 bus route to Shettleston for weeks now. Glasgow East is up for grabs and the corduroy-clad and floral-frock brigade are out in force to make sure their point gets across to the uninterested and disenchanted people of my home town.
Shettleston and a sizable chunk of Glasgow's east end is steeped in unemployment, drug addiction, alcohol abuse, and its now famous shockingly low age expectancy (anything between 55 years and 60 years depending on which statistic you prefer) is making headlines.
The last thing the eastenders need is a bunch of smarmy-faced do-gooders promising recycling bins and much-needed jobs. What they actually need is a stronger police presence and more hands-on community workers who can walk the walk and who have talked the talk; people who have been through the hard times - local reformed characters who can help guide the wayward youths instead of patronising social workers who have to get two trains from their suburban semis to the gritty streets of shame.
Crime is rife, people are poor, the health service is swamped by methadone users and jobs are extremely thin on the ground. So much for 11 years of Labour rule. In 1997 Blair promised "things can only get better" and they never did. In fact, they got steadily worse, and Shettleston is waiting patiently on Labour's mealy-mouthed promises to come to fruition.
Community centres are wonderful, resourceful places, only if they are actually servicing the people who truly need the help. The kids should be flooding the places. If not, why not?
I was born and raised in Shettleston and stayed in the east end until 1994. My mother had been stabbed and attacked by her boyfriend in the tough streets of Shettleston back in the early 1980s and was eventually found dead in the River Clyde.
I am familiar with knife crime and murder. The first-hand experience made me desperate to raise my own child in relative safety. Despite my east end poverty-ridden roots, I opted to send our daughter Ashley to a fee-paying school in Glasgow's west end.
Working all the hours I could in a bar in the Calton area of the city, I managed to secure her a decent education with a penchant for higher aspirations. Yet my daughter Ashley is an east end girl through and through, and she is incredibly proud of her roots.
Not everyone in Glasgow's east has opportunities and the people there are not all rough and ready.
They now have wonderful swimming pools and even an amazing golf club up in the east end of Glasgow; the avid golfers have a five-year waiting list to enter. That is welcome news, as everyone assumes the only reason to carry a club in Shettleston would be to use it as a weapon.
Yet still there is more to be done, and Labour has left some areas in Glasgow East to decay even further. There may be some new affordable housing in the inner-city area, but the sheer lack of attention to its surrounding inhabitants is evident.
I am horrified when I go back to the old streets of my childhood; it actually looks dirtier, with prostitution and drug abuse on the rise.
Yet every time I see cameras and photo opportunities with the chosen candidates, they all seem to be standing near big brown stone mansions up in Sandyhills or in the nice houses in Tollcross. No politicians seem to be marching up and down Shettleston road and talking to the rough-and-ready folks I like to call relatives. And they should. They may learn something.
The east end of Glasgow has been a Labour stronghold for decades. There used to be a joke that if you put a monkey up as a candidate it would still get elected. Now is the time to see which political animal will take on the area.
The people of Shettleston and Glasgow's east are hardy, strong, wonderful folks They are not all steeped in bigotry, booze and bright white shellsuits. The area has decent schools with dedicated teachers. There are amazing hands-on community workers who are either underpaid or overworked, and they all deserve support.
The eastenders I know could teach some of those politicians a few lessons about interpersonal skills and, by the way things are looking, I think Labour is about to get a short, sharp shock of its own. Gordon Brown may be ignoring this by-election, and that might be his downfall.
Janey Godley, comedian, is at Edinburgh Fringe in Domestic Godley, Pleasance Dome, 7pm, July 30 to August 25
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Posted by: Jimbo on 12:26am Sun 20 Jul 08
[quote]Crime is rife, people are poor, the health service is swamped by methadone users and jobs are extremely thin on the ground. So much for 11 years of Labour rule. In 1997 Blair promised "things can only get better" and they never did. In fact, they got steadily worse, and Shettleston is waiting patiently on Labour's mealy-mouthed promises to come to fruition.[/quote]
Well said Jane Godley.
Having been 3rd generation born and bred in Shettleston, I can say without fear of contradiction that the only time Labour politicians take an interest in the place is when it comes to elections.
Unfortunately, when you live in an area all your life, your surroundings become the norm and you don't see the creeping deprivation taking over.
It wasn't until I'd moved away and went back a couple of years later that I was shocked to see how bad the place looked. Then it dawned on me that it had been in that state for years. It was just that I, and probably everyone else too, had grown so accustomed to the deprivation that you no longer noticed it.
Crime is rife, people are poor, the health service is swamped by methadone users and jobs are extremely thin on the ground. So much for 11 years of Labour rule. In 1997 Blair promised "things can only get better" and they never did. In fact, they got steadily worse, and Shettleston is waiting patiently on Labour's mealy-mouthed promises to come to fruition.
Well said Jane Godley.
Having been 3rd generation born and bred in Shettleston, I can say without fear of contradiction that the only time Labour politicians take an interest in the place is when it comes to elections.
Unfortunately, when you live in an area all your life, your surroundings become the norm and you don't see the creeping deprivation taking over.
It wasn't until I'd moved away and went back a couple of years later that I was shocked to see how bad the place looked. Then it dawned on me that it had been in that state for years. It was just that I, and probably everyone else too, had grown so accustomed to the deprivation that you no longer noticed it.
Posted by: Kenny McGuigan, Coatbridge on 7:19am Sun 20 Jul 08
What a perceptive, brutally frank and long overdue article on this subject. Superbly written by Janey Godley.
This pantomime has excited the political class and particularly the very well organised SNP supporters on the boards of The Herald - very few of whom give a bat's balls for the people of Glasgow East. The result of this by-election is "crucial" and might spell the end for Gordon Brown, we are told.
You could be forgiven for thinking there are only 4 candidates; the Labour Tory, the SNP Tartan Tory, the Liberal Tory and the Tory. Clearly, the media can't be bothered telling us there are other candidates, including socialists, far less give them fair representation. "The full list of candidates can be found on our website, so away and find out the names yersels".
Of course, the significant number of voters who will decline the opportunity to participate already realise the choice on offer is fried or grilled. Many of the residents of Pettigrew St, Amulree St and Darlieth St know that it will make no difference to them whose bahookie is planked on the green leather benches of the Palace of Westminster, the latest John Lewis catalogue in his or her briefcase.
What is being asked of the electorate of Glasgow East is this: Which one of these candidates, who all defend the political and socio-economic system that helps you enjoy an average life expectancy of 63 years in one of the most deprived area's of Britain, do you want as your MP?
A large number will answer: none of them. But they will say it by not voting. In any event, next Thursday, my pal Fraser and a couple of relatives in the district will have a new MP and life will go on. I am confident the financial situation will worsen, cuts in public spending and services will continue, unemployment will rise, drug problems will get worse and the standard of living will drop - regardless of which Tory wins.
As the old anarchist saying goes, "If voting changed anything they'd abolish it."
What a perceptive, brutally frank and long overdue article on this subject. Superbly written by Janey Godley.
This pantomime has excited the political class and particularly the very well organised SNP supporters on the boards of The Herald - very few of whom give a bat's balls for the people of Glasgow East. The result of this by-election is "crucial" and might spell the end for Gordon Brown, we are told.
You could be forgiven for thinking there are only 4 candidates; the Labour Tory, the SNP Tartan Tory, the Liberal Tory and the Tory. Clearly, the media can't be bothered telling us there are other candidates, including socialists, far less give them fair representation. "The full list of candidates can be found on our website, so away and find out the names yersels".
Of course, the significant number of voters who will decline the opportunity to participate already realise the choice on offer is fried or grilled. Many of the residents of Pettigrew St, Amulree St and Darlieth St know that it will make no difference to them whose bahookie is planked on the green leather benches of the Palace of Westminster, the latest John Lewis catalogue in his or her briefcase.
What is being asked of the electorate of Glasgow East is this: Which one of these candidates, who all defend the political and socio-economic system that helps you enjoy an average life expectancy of 63 years in one of the most deprived area's of Britain, do you want as your MP?
A large number will answer: none of them. But they will say it by not voting. In any event, next Thursday, my pal Fraser and a couple of relatives in the district will have a new MP and life will go on. I am confident the financial situation will worsen, cuts in public spending and services will continue, unemployment will rise, drug problems will get worse and the standard of living will drop - regardless of which Tory wins.
As the old anarchist saying goes, "If voting changed anything they'd abolish it."
Posted by: earman, Dumfries on 9:34am Sun 20 Jul 08
No comment required other than to praise the writer's eloquence.
No comment required other than to praise the writer's eloquence.
Posted by: heady on 11:11am Sun 20 Jul 08
A comedienne writes -
"The last thing the eastenders need is a bunch of smarmy-faced do-gooders promising recycling bins and much-needed jobs." - the last thing people need are much-needed jobs?
"What they actually need is a stronger police presence and more hands-on community workers who can walk the walk and who have talked the talk" - so it is not jobs people need but more police and community worker input.
Which is it - jobs or not jobs? Perhaps the confusion comes from the fact that any sensible person would think that jobs would help but also would know that that is not what "the people" want - they want looking after.
Stick to the day job Ms Godley, whoever you are!
A comedienne writes -
"The last thing the eastenders need is a bunch of smarmy-faced do-gooders promising recycling bins and much-needed jobs." - the last thing people need are much-needed jobs?
"What they actually need is a stronger police presence and more hands-on community workers who can walk the walk and who have talked the talk" - so it is not jobs people need but more police and community worker input.
Which is it - jobs or not jobs? Perhaps the confusion comes from the fact that any sensible person would think that jobs would help but also would know that that is not what "the people" want - they want looking after.
Stick to the day job Ms Godley, whoever you are!
Posted by: heady on 11:18am Sun 20 Jul 08
I've just googled this Janey Godley - http://www.janeygodl
ey.co.uk/
You'll think this is a spook but few satarists could come up with something so lurid and in fact it really is the opening paragraph of the "Life and Career" section of her own website which gives some insight into the woman -
"Janey was born on 20th January 1961 and brought up in Shettleston, in the East End of Glasgow. Aged 5-13, she was raped and sexually abused by her uncle. Aged 19, she married into a Glasgow gangster family; 28 years later, she remains married to her husband, who has Asperger's Syndrome - a mild form of autism. Her mother was murdered by a psychopathic boyfriend when Janey was 21. Her mother's boyfriend/killer, though known, was never prosecuted. For 14 years, Janey and her husband ran a pub in the Calton area of Glasgow's East End, an extraordinarily violent and drug-ravaged red-light district where even crucifixion was not unknown."
I've just googled this Janey Godley - http://www.janeygodl
ey.co.uk/
You'll think this is a spook but few satarists could come up with something so lurid and in fact it really is the opening paragraph of the "Life and Career" section of her own website which gives some insight into the woman -
"Janey was born on 20th January 1961 and brought up in Shettleston, in the East End of Glasgow. Aged 5-13, she was raped and sexually abused by her uncle. Aged 19, she married into a Glasgow gangster family; 28 years later, she remains married to her husband, who has Asperger's Syndrome - a mild form of autism. Her mother was murdered by a psychopathic boyfriend when Janey was 21. Her mother's boyfriend/killer, though known, was never prosecuted. For 14 years, Janey and her husband ran a pub in the Calton area of Glasgow's East End, an extraordinarily violent and drug-ravaged red-light district where even crucifixion was not unknown."
Posted by: eastendmaggie, EastEnd on 11:32am Sun 20 Jul 08
Thanks for the further info on her Heady, I will now be going to see her comedy show in Edinburgh Fringe. There are clips on you tube of her comedy as well if you put in 'janey Godley'you can see them there. Good to see a writer who had had a past and a knowledge of the subject matter.
Thanks for the further info on her Heady, I will now be going to see her comedy show in Edinburgh Fringe. There are clips on you tube of her comedy as well if you put in 'janey Godley'you can see them there. Good to see a writer who had had a past and a knowledge of the subject matter.
Posted by: heady on 12:37pm Sun 20 Jul 08
[quote][bold]eastendmaggie[/bold] wrote:
Thanks for the further info on her Heady, I will now be going to see her comedy show in Edinburgh Fringe. There are clips on you tube of her comedy as well if you put in 'janey Godley'you can see them there. Good to see a writer who had had a past and a knowledge of the subject matter. [/quote] Each to their own - I am sure you will enjoy paying good money for the hilarious tales of rape and slashings.
My view is that anyone who is prepared to sell their own personal history and those of their close family is both foul and contemptible, but in a society where everything is for sale it has become common place.
eastendmaggie wrote:
Thanks for the further info on her Heady, I will now be going to see her comedy show in Edinburgh Fringe. There are clips on you tube of her comedy as well if you put in 'janey Godley'you can see them there. Good to see a writer who had had a past and a knowledge of the subject matter.
Each to their own - I am sure you will enjoy paying good money for the hilarious tales of rape and slashings.
My view is that anyone who is prepared to sell their own personal history and those of their close family is both foul and contemptible, but in a society where everything is for sale it has become common place.
Posted by: heady, "teabags can go in cupboards" on 12:43pm Sun 20 Jul 08
[quote][bold]eastendmaggie[/bold] wrote:
Thanks for the further info on her Heady, I will now be going to see her comedy show in Edinburgh Fringe. There are clips on you tube of her comedy as well if you put in 'janey Godley'you can see them there. Good to see a writer who had had a past and a knowledge of the subject matter. [/quote] Just found the clip for "Domestic Godley" - if that's the sort of thing you want to spend your money on and think is funny then you have my sympathy! Seems her "comedy" is on a par with her "journalism".
http://www.pleasance
pages.co.uk/domestic
_godley/video
eastendmaggie wrote:
Thanks for the further info on her Heady, I will now be going to see her comedy show in Edinburgh Fringe. There are clips on you tube of her comedy as well if you put in 'janey Godley'you can see them there. Good to see a writer who had had a past and a knowledge of the subject matter.
Just found the clip for "Domestic Godley" - if that's the sort of thing you want to spend your money on and think is funny then you have my sympathy! Seems her "comedy" is on a par with her "journalism".
http://www.pleasance
pages.co.uk/domestic
_godley/video
Posted by: eastendmaggie, EastEnd on 2:15pm Sun 20 Jul 08
Well having looked at her website that you thankfully directed me 'Heady' ( ooooh jealousy seeping through yer cheap suit) I see she was nominated number 3 in the TOP TEN COMICS in TIME OUT in London! My fav clips is this one
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=AWlzFoxyD
q8
Where she talks about her Mum. I think you are her PR heady, you seem to be well versed and constantly plugging her stuff and I for one am grateful. Write more stuff please, you seem to be better on the web and with Godley quotes than me and are a true resorce for her history.
Thanks a million!
Well having looked at her website that you thankfully directed me 'Heady' ( ooooh jealousy seeping through yer cheap suit) I see she was nominated number 3 in the TOP TEN COMICS in TIME OUT in London! My fav clips is this one
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=AWlzFoxyD
q8
Where she talks about her Mum. I think you are her PR heady, you seem to be well versed and constantly plugging her stuff and I for one am grateful. Write more stuff please, you seem to be better on the web and with Godley quotes than me and are a true resorce for her history.
Thanks a million!
Posted by: sameoldsameold, shettleston on 6:42pm Sun 20 Jul 08
I disagree strongly with heady, I don't believe Ms godley uses tales of her past trauma and personal angst to further her career. I met Ms Godley when she opened a storage factory in Parkhead, one which brings promise of employment to a place otherwise deprived.
I have lived there for many years and have heard Ms Godley take part in an outreach programme that teaches underpriveleged or affected children confidence through comedy.
I believe her act, or "jokes about rape and slashings" as you call it, a realistic and overdue outllok of the way many people here live. But as you say, each to their own I know I'd rather hear her speak truth than you deliver her personal info.
I disagree strongly with heady, I don't believe Ms godley uses tales of her past trauma and personal angst to further her career. I met Ms Godley when she opened a storage factory in Parkhead, one which brings promise of employment to a place otherwise deprived.
I have lived there for many years and have heard Ms Godley take part in an outreach programme that teaches underpriveleged or affected children confidence through comedy.
I believe her act, or "jokes about rape and slashings" as you call it, a realistic and overdue outllok of the way many people here live. But as you say, each to their own I know I'd rather hear her speak truth than you deliver her personal info.
Posted by: heady on 7:58pm Sun 20 Jul 08
[quote][bold]eastendmaggie[/bold] wrote:
Well having looked at her website that you thankfully directed me \'Heady\' ( ooooh jealousy seeping through yer cheap suit) I see she was nominated number 3 in the TOP TEN COMICS in TIME OUT in London! My fav clips is this one http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=AWlzFoxyD q8 Where she talks about her Mum. I think you are her PR heady, you seem to be well versed and constantly plugging her stuff and I for one am grateful. Write more stuff please, you seem to be better on the web and with Godley quotes than me and are a true resorce for her history. Thanks a million![/quote] Come on, don’t lie or dodge the question - did you enjoy the trailer for her Domestic Godley show? I don't believe that even you could claim to find that rubbish amusing and yet you claim to now intend to travel to Edinburgh to see her perform.
Obviously there is a lot of money to be made out of selling misery, sexual abuse and mayhem to mugs who have such low self-esteem they lap up this sort of puke. You ask if I have seen the clip about her mother – they say some people would even sell their grannie and you clearly think that of Ms Godley – is there anything that is not up for sale?
My original point was that in the article this person writes self-contradictory rubbish but nonetheless reveals that what the people of Glasgow East need, in her opinion, is closer policing and more community workers. I had thought that moronic and suggested she stick to the day job – but then found she is as bad at that as she is at attempting to write coherently about the East end of Glasgow.
Oh, and I am not wearing a suit - though they are all under £500 and from Slaters.
eastendmaggie wrote:
Well having looked at her website that you thankfully directed me \'Heady\' ( ooooh jealousy seeping through yer cheap suit) I see she was nominated number 3 in the TOP TEN COMICS in TIME OUT in London! My fav clips is this one http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=AWlzFoxyD q8 Where she talks about her Mum. I think you are her PR heady, you seem to be well versed and constantly plugging her stuff and I for one am grateful. Write more stuff please, you seem to be better on the web and with Godley quotes than me and are a true resorce for her history. Thanks a million!
Come on, don’t lie or dodge the question - did you enjoy the trailer for her Domestic Godley show? I don't believe that even you could claim to find that rubbish amusing and yet you claim to now intend to travel to Edinburgh to see her perform.
Obviously there is a lot of money to be made out of selling misery, sexual abuse and mayhem to mugs who have such low self-esteem they lap up this sort of puke. You ask if I have seen the clip about her mother – they say some people would even sell their grannie and you clearly think that of Ms Godley – is there anything that is not up for sale?
My original point was that in the article this person writes self-contradictory rubbish but nonetheless reveals that what the people of Glasgow East need, in her opinion, is closer policing and more community workers. I had thought that moronic and suggested she stick to the day job – but then found she is as bad at that as she is at attempting to write coherently about the East end of Glasgow.
Oh, and I am not wearing a suit - though they are all under £500 and from Slaters.
Posted by: wullie on 10:07pm Sun 20 Jul 08
Jane Godley,
When you say that you sent yr daughter to a fee paying school, I think many will understand why.
much of the education that our children receive is less than inspirational. Traditional values are excluded to accord with doubtful social dogma.
Indeed, the recent example of primary children being forbidden to make fathers day cars for their fathers because of concern about upsetting lesbian parents, is an all to telling example of the nonsense that pervades our schools.
It is a pity that so many parents feel the need to opt to privately educate their children, but for those who are fortunate to be able to afford it, it does emphasise the growing disenchantment with the dogma driven state sector.
Jane Godley,
When you say that you sent yr daughter to a fee paying school, I think many will understand why.
much of the education that our children receive is less than inspirational. Traditional values are excluded to accord with doubtful social dogma.
Indeed, the recent example of primary children being forbidden to make fathers day cars for their fathers because of concern about upsetting lesbian parents, is an all to telling example of the nonsense that pervades our schools.
It is a pity that so many parents feel the need to opt to privately educate their children, but for those who are fortunate to be able to afford it, it does emphasise the growing disenchantment with the dogma driven state sector.
Posted by: fran, glasgow east on 11:02pm Sun 20 Jul 08
dear wilie,
sorry to dissappoint you when you're on a wee rant n all but teachers in the state sector never forbid their pupils from making cards in celebration of mothers day, fathers day, grandmothers day or gradfathers day. What we do do is ennsure that the day becomes a wider celebration of any significant male or female adult in the child's life. In that way we are takig account of childrens feelings if they don't happen to have a mum or dad or granny or gramps. It is [bold]never[/bold] to push a particular political agenda but to make sure that the child's emotional needs are met in the classroom. Is that not what good teachers should be doing ??
dear wilie,
sorry to dissappoint you when you're on a wee rant n all but teachers in the state sector never forbid their pupils from making cards in celebration of mothers day, fathers day, grandmothers day or gradfathers day. What we do do is ennsure that the day becomes a wider celebration of any significant male or female adult in the child's life. In that way we are takig account of childrens feelings if they don't happen to have a mum or dad or granny or gramps. It is
never to push a particular political agenda but to make sure that the child's emotional needs are met in the classroom. Is that not what good teachers should be doing ??
Posted by: Sophie, Cork (ex-Glasgow) on 11:58pm Sun 20 Jul 08
Wow! I just read all those responses. Wish I could go to the Edinburgh Fringe. Anyone who can stir up this amount of controversy and publicity must be worth seeing. If it really is done by a PR company, it's excellent. If it's genuine, there are some very bitter, jealous people out there who are spectacularly shooting themselves in the foot by saving Jane/Janey thousands of pounds and giving her wonderful free publicity. I've never heard of her, but now I'm hooked.
Wow! I just read all those responses. Wish I could go to the Edinburgh Fringe. Anyone who can stir up this amount of controversy and publicity must be worth seeing. If it really is done by a PR company, it's excellent. If it's genuine, there are some very bitter, jealous people out there who are spectacularly shooting themselves in the foot by saving Jane/Janey thousands of pounds and giving her wonderful free publicity. I've never heard of her, but now I'm hooked.
Posted by: Nic, Buckie on 12:20am Mon 21 Jul 08
[quote][bold]heady[/bold] wrote:
A comedienne writes -
"The last thing the eastenders need is a bunch of smarmy-faced do-gooders promising recycling bins and much-needed jobs." - the last thing people need are much-needed jobs?
"What they actually need is a stronger police presence and more hands-on community workers who can walk the walk and who have talked the talk" - so it is not jobs people need but more police and community worker input.
Which is it - jobs or not jobs? Perhaps the confusion comes from the fact that any sensible person would think that jobs would help but also would know that that is not what "the people" want - they want looking after.
Stick to the day job Ms Godley, whoever you are!
[/quote] It seems to me that Ms Godley is very clear and 'heady' is very muddled. Ms Godley writes:
- The last thing eastenders need are promises from smarmy people. True.
She writes:
- Jobs are "much-needed". True.
She doesn't say the last thing people need are much-needed jobs. That is the opposite of what she writes. Heady needs lessons in reading clearly-written sentences.
Ms Godley writes that eastenders need:
- Better policing. Yes.
- Better community care. Yes.
In other words, they "want looking after". Yes. Exactly what she said.
Heady needs to read more carefully and clear her wee heady before trying to write herself.
heady wrote:
A comedienne writes -
"The last thing the eastenders need is a bunch of smarmy-faced do-gooders promising recycling bins and much-needed jobs." - the last thing people need are much-needed jobs?
"What they actually need is a stronger police presence and more hands-on community workers who can walk the walk and who have talked the talk" - so it is not jobs people need but more police and community worker input.
Which is it - jobs or not jobs? Perhaps the confusion comes from the fact that any sensible person would think that jobs would help but also would know that that is not what "the people" want - they want looking after.
Stick to the day job Ms Godley, whoever you are!
It seems to me that Ms Godley is very clear and 'heady' is very muddled. Ms Godley writes:
- The last thing eastenders need are promises from smarmy people. True.
She writes:
- Jobs are "much-needed". True.
She doesn't say the last thing people need are much-needed jobs. That is the opposite of what she writes. Heady needs lessons in reading clearly-written sentences.
Ms Godley writes that eastenders need:
- Better policing. Yes.
- Better community care. Yes.
In other words, they "want looking after". Yes. Exactly what she said.
Heady needs to read more carefully and clear her wee heady before trying to write herself.
Posted by: buster London, London on 12:41am Mon 21 Jul 08
I agree Sophie, I too am going to the Fringe and after all this pallaver that HEADY peddled I cant wait to see this woman. I did check the website and laughed my tits off at the Birthday Fawn in her promo video, so bloody silly. I was dissapointed that it contained NO slashings or mention of rape though, which seems to be the de riguer of all strong stand ups these days. Thanks Heady, if you are a PR company, please leave your details on this site and I hope Mrs Godley is paying you enough for your blatant guerilla PR stunt! It worked for me. I love slice of misery and fun! Go HEADY-GO HEADY! PR genuis!
I agree Sophie, I too am going to the Fringe and after all this pallaver that HEADY peddled I cant wait to see this woman. I did check the website and laughed my tits off at the Birthday Fawn in her promo video, so bloody silly. I was dissapointed that it contained NO slashings or mention of rape though, which seems to be the de riguer of all strong stand ups these days. Thanks Heady, if you are a PR company, please leave your details on this site and I hope Mrs Godley is paying you enough for your blatant guerilla PR stunt! It worked for me. I love slice of misery and fun! Go HEADY-GO HEADY! PR genuis!
Posted by: heady on 8:29am Mon 21 Jul 08
[quote][bold]buster London[/bold] wrote:
I agree Sophie, I too am going to the Fringe and after all this pallaver that HEADY peddled I cant wait to see this woman. I did check the website and laughed my tits off at the Birthday Fawn in her promo video, so bloody silly. I was dissapointed that it contained NO slashings or mention of rape though, which seems to be the de riguer of all strong stand ups these days. Thanks Heady, if you are a PR company, please leave your details on this site and I hope Mrs Godley is paying you enough for your blatant guerilla PR stunt! It worked for me. I love slice of misery and fun! Go HEADY-GO HEADY! PR genuis![/quote] You "laughed your tits off" at the awful promo video? Even poor old EastEndMaggie couldn't bring herself to utter such a lie.
You merely prove what I have been saying all along - there's money to be made selling stories of rape and murder to voyeuristic types who revel in such sick "entertainment".
buster London wrote:
I agree Sophie, I too am going to the Fringe and after all this pallaver that HEADY peddled I cant wait to see this woman. I did check the website and laughed my tits off at the Birthday Fawn in her promo video, so bloody silly. I was dissapointed that it contained NO slashings or mention of rape though, which seems to be the de riguer of all strong stand ups these days. Thanks Heady, if you are a PR company, please leave your details on this site and I hope Mrs Godley is paying you enough for your blatant guerilla PR stunt! It worked for me. I love slice of misery and fun! Go HEADY-GO HEADY! PR genuis!
You "laughed your tits off" at the awful promo video? Even poor old EastEndMaggie couldn't bring herself to utter such a lie.
You merely prove what I have been saying all along - there's money to be made selling stories of rape and murder to voyeuristic types who revel in such sick "entertainment".
Posted by: Steady, Auckland on 9:35am Mon 21 Jul 08
Far be it from me to interfere in a private squabble but Nic was right about Heady not actually understanding what was said very clearly in the original article and now Heady seems to be watching different videos on his planet from the rest of us.
Like Buster, all this **** made me go to the website - www.janeygodley.co.u
k/fringe2008 as this seems to have turned into an advertising space - and I think La Godley looks fascinating. Is Heady an American? The irony which screamed out in Buster's posting seems to have whizzed over his head or is it her head? Poor old Heady - a humour bypass and an irony bypass added to low marks in comprehension. I think it's less a PR case than a case of care in the community.
As for La Godley, one of the signs of a good journalist and a good comedian is to get people talking. In that case, she must be up for a Pulitzer Prize and two Perrier Awards..
Far be it from me to interfere in a private squabble but Nic was right about Heady not actually understanding what was said very clearly in the original article and now Heady seems to be watching different videos on his planet from the rest of us.
Like Buster, all this **** made me go to the website - www.janeygodley.co.u
k/fringe2008 as this seems to have turned into an advertising space - and I think La Godley looks fascinating. Is Heady an American? The irony which screamed out in Buster's posting seems to have whizzed over his head or is it her head? Poor old Heady - a humour bypass and an irony bypass added to low marks in comprehension. I think it's less a PR case than a case of care in the community.
As for La Godley, one of the signs of a good journalist and a good comedian is to get people talking. In that case, she must be up for a Pulitzer Prize and two Perrier Awards..
Posted by: Fringe Monkey and comedy fan, Edinburgh on 11:01am Mon 21 Jul 08
[quote][bold]heady[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]buster London[/bold] wrote: I agree Sophie, I too am going to the Fringe and after all this pallaver that HEADY peddled I cant wait to see this woman. I did check the website and laughed my tits off at the Birthday Fawn in her promo video, so bloody silly. I was dissapointed that it contained NO slashings or mention of rape though, which seems to be the de riguer of all strong stand ups these days. Thanks Heady, if you are a PR company, please leave your details on this site and I hope Mrs Godley is paying you enough for your blatant guerilla PR stunt! It worked for me. I love slice of misery and fun! Go HEADY-GO HEADY! PR genuis![/quote] You "laughed your tits off" at the awful promo video? Even poor old EastEndMaggie couldn't bring herself to utter such a lie. You merely prove what I have been saying all along - there's money to be made selling stories of rape and murder to voyeuristic types who revel in such sick "entertainment". [/quote] Heady- this is a real blatant personal attack on someone you dont find funny and that is really ok, I personally dont find Harry Hill, Tommy Cooper, Mighty Boosh or Catherine Tate funny. I could argue that everything they do annoys me or is dull and one dimensional. That is why we live in a democracy, what you have is a real one armed attempt to shout down anyone who finds Jane Godley funny. Then you try and 'fail' to point out that she wrote the article wrong (Nic from Buckie cleared that up) then you argue with anyone who does find her funny. The piece in The Sunday Herald took uo a FULL page with a big photo in the original newspaper. I know, because I am one of the thousands of people who helped her show at the Fringe last year become a SELL OUT at the Pleasance. I bought a ticket and laughed at her stories. Comedy that is truthful appeals to me, real life anecdotes are what make me love comics like Bill Hicks Richard Pryor- and the late George Carlin, THEY ALL spoke about child abuse, drug addiction, cancer and real life issues. It may not be your cup of tea but that doesn't mean nobody else should enjoy it. You have an issue with the woman and it is becoming clearer by each posting. I am wondering if you are either a failed comic or a bad writer. To cheer yourself up you should go see her show at 7pm at the Pleasance this year, let the anger go old chap!
heady wrote:
buster London wrote: I agree Sophie, I too am going to the Fringe and after all this pallaver that HEADY peddled I cant wait to see this woman. I did check the website and laughed my tits off at the Birthday Fawn in her promo video, so bloody silly. I was dissapointed that it contained NO slashings or mention of rape though, which seems to be the de riguer of all strong stand ups these days. Thanks Heady, if you are a PR company, please leave your details on this site and I hope Mrs Godley is paying you enough for your blatant guerilla PR stunt! It worked for me. I love slice of misery and fun! Go HEADY-GO HEADY! PR genuis!
You "laughed your tits off" at the awful promo video? Even poor old EastEndMaggie couldn't bring herself to utter such a lie. You merely prove what I have been saying all along - there's money to be made selling stories of rape and murder to voyeuristic types who revel in such sick "entertainment".
Heady- this is a real blatant personal attack on someone you dont find funny and that is really ok, I personally dont find Harry Hill, Tommy Cooper, Mighty Boosh or Catherine Tate funny. I could argue that everything they do annoys me or is dull and one dimensional. That is why we live in a democracy, what you have is a real one armed attempt to shout down anyone who finds Jane Godley funny. Then you try and 'fail' to point out that she wrote the article wrong (Nic from Buckie cleared that up) then you argue with anyone who does find her funny. The piece in The Sunday Herald took uo a FULL page with a big photo in the original newspaper. I know, because I am one of the thousands of people who helped her show at the Fringe last year become a SELL OUT at the Pleasance. I bought a ticket and laughed at her stories. Comedy that is truthful appeals to me, real life anecdotes are what make me love comics like Bill Hicks Richard Pryor- and the late George Carlin, THEY ALL spoke about child abuse, drug addiction, cancer and real life issues. It may not be your cup of tea but that doesn't mean nobody else should enjoy it. You have an issue with the woman and it is becoming clearer by each posting. I am wondering if you are either a failed comic or a bad writer. To cheer yourself up you should go see her show at 7pm at the Pleasance this year, let the anger go old chap!
Posted by: eastendmaggie, Glasgow on 10:34pm Mon 21 Jul 08
I found her video funny and I laughed out loud at her daughter being the Birthday fawn. MInd you I did love the Live in Auckland video and the stuff from her show at East Kilbride. The one where her baby niece killed the mouse made me splatter my tottie scone all over the computer. Even a baby talking about murder was funny, Godley is a comic star and Heady is a bitter twisted wee man who never got the gigs or the 5 star reviews or wrote a best selling book like Janey did. I read HANDSTANDS IN THE DARK about a year ago and I didnt know who she was at the time it was all about her life in the east end. It was compelling and heartwarming.
I dont believe Heady should be allowed to tell me what i should or should not like. Sounds like a sad person, or someone who dislikes Godley and needs to sit and stare at his laptop and continually put her down. By the way her Scotsman column goes out every monday..not bad for a burd from the east end ..eh Heady? Read it and weep.
hahahahahahhahahahah
ahahahahahahahhahaha
hahahaahhahahaahhaha
hahahahahahahahahaha
ahahhahaha
Now go back to writing her name on lavvy walls, all publicty is good as far as she is concernd
I found her video funny and I laughed out loud at her daughter being the Birthday fawn. MInd you I did love the Live in Auckland video and the stuff from her show at East Kilbride. The one where her baby niece killed the mouse made me splatter my tottie scone all over the computer. Even a baby talking about murder was funny, Godley is a comic star and Heady is a bitter twisted wee man who never got the gigs or the 5 star reviews or wrote a best selling book like Janey did. I read HANDSTANDS IN THE DARK about a year ago and I didnt know who she was at the time it was all about her life in the east end. It was compelling and heartwarming.
I dont believe Heady should be allowed to tell me what i should or should not like. Sounds like a sad person, or someone who dislikes Godley and needs to sit and stare at his laptop and continually put her down. By the way her Scotsman column goes out every monday..not bad for a burd from the east end ..eh Heady? Read it and weep.
hahahahahahhahahahah
ahahahahahahahhahaha
hahahaahhahahaahhaha
hahahahahahahahahaha
ahahhahaha
Now go back to writing her name on lavvy walls, all publicty is good as far as she is concernd
Posted by: heady on 9:16am Thu 24 Jul 08
[quote]I dont believe Heady should be allowed to tell me what i should or should not like[/quote] - I agree, that's why I have never told you who to like. If you visit us here in the real world you'll find that far from telling you who to like what disgusts me is that people like you do like this stuff and pay good money to hoover up stories of child abuse and violence. Of course, no one should expect insight from people who like the sort of thing you like - the fact that there are so many of you is not something we should be proud of.
I dont believe Heady should be allowed to tell me what i should or should not like
- I agree, that's why I have never told you who to like. If you visit us here in the real world you'll find that far from telling you who to like what disgusts me is that people like you do like this stuff and pay good money to hoover up stories of child abuse and violence. Of course, no one should expect insight from people who like the sort of thing you like - the fact that there are so many of you is not something we should be proud of.
Posted by: heady on 9:29am Thu 24 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Fringe Monkey and comedy fan[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]heady[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]buster London[/bold] wrote: I agree Sophie, I too am going to the Fringe and after all this pallaver that HEADY peddled I cant wait to see this woman. I did check the website and laughed my tits off at the Birthday Fawn in her promo video, so bloody silly. I was dissapointed that it contained NO slashings or mention of rape though, which seems to be the de riguer of all strong stand ups these days. Thanks Heady, if you are a PR company, please leave your details on this site and I hope Mrs Godley is paying you enough for your blatant guerilla PR stunt! It worked for me. I love slice of misery and fun! Go HEADY-GO HEADY! PR genuis![/quote] You "laughed your tits off" at the awful promo video? Even poor old EastEndMaggie couldn't bring herself to utter such a lie. You merely prove what I have been saying all along - there's money to be made selling stories of rape and murder to voyeuristic types who revel in such sick "entertainment". [/quote] Heady- this is a real blatant personal attack on someone you dont find funny and that is really ok, I personally dont find Harry Hill, Tommy Cooper, Mighty Boosh or Catherine Tate funny. I could argue that everything they do annoys me or is dull and one dimensional. That is why we live in a democracy, what you have is a real one armed attempt to shout down anyone who finds Jane Godley funny. Then you try and 'fail' to point out that she wrote the article wrong (Nic from Buckie cleared that up) then you argue with anyone who does find her funny. The piece in The Sunday Herald took uo a FULL page with a big photo in the original newspaper. I know, because I am one of the thousands of people who helped her show at the Fringe last year become a SELL OUT at the Pleasance. I bought a ticket and laughed at her stories. Comedy that is truthful appeals to me, real life anecdotes are what make me love comics like Bill Hicks Richard Pryor- and the late George Carlin, THEY ALL spoke about child abuse, drug addiction, cancer and real life issues. It may not be your cup of tea but that doesn't mean nobody else should enjoy it. You have an issue with the woman and it is becoming clearer by each posting. I am wondering if you are either a failed comic or a bad writer. To cheer yourself up you should go see her show at 7pm at the Pleasance this year, let the anger go old chap![/quote] [quote]I bought a ticket and laughed at her stories[/quote] - that you get enjoyment out of stories of child abuse is your business, Edinburgh folk are gie queer; I reserve the right to comment on people making money out of it.
Are you really so silly as to argue that selling out a show is relevant to whether or not it is permissible to comment on the behaviour of someone operating in the media? I am sure we can come up with a list of unpleasant people who have filled stadia rather larger that the theatre Ms Godley packed.
And pleading Buckie Nic in your defence is pretty pointless - Godley wrote that the people of the East End need this and don't need this - I am prepared to believe her when she says what they need is closer monitoring by the police given what she writes about their propensity for child abuse and murder; who am I to disagree with this towering intellect?
Fringe Monkey and comedy fan wrote:
heady wrote: buster London wrote: I agree Sophie, I too am going to the Fringe and after all this pallaver that HEADY peddled I cant wait to see this woman. I did check the website and laughed my tits off at the Birthday Fawn in her promo video, so bloody silly. I was dissapointed that it contained NO slashings or mention of rape though, which seems to be the de riguer of all strong stand ups these days. Thanks Heady, if you are a PR company, please leave your details on this site and I hope Mrs Godley is paying you enough for your blatant guerilla PR stunt! It worked for me. I love slice of misery and fun! Go HEADY-GO HEADY! PR genuis!
You "laughed your tits off" at the awful promo video? Even poor old EastEndMaggie couldn't bring herself to utter such a lie. You merely prove what I have been saying all along - there's money to be made selling stories of rape and murder to voyeuristic types who revel in such sick "entertainment".
Heady- this is a real blatant personal attack on someone you dont find funny and that is really ok, I personally dont find Harry Hill, Tommy Cooper, Mighty Boosh or Catherine Tate funny. I could argue that everything they do annoys me or is dull and one dimensional. That is why we live in a democracy, what you have is a real one armed attempt to shout down anyone who finds Jane Godley funny. Then you try and 'fail' to point out that she wrote the article wrong (Nic from Buckie cleared that up) then you argue with anyone who does find her funny. The piece in The Sunday Herald took uo a FULL page with a big photo in the original newspaper. I know, because I am one of the thousands of people who helped her show at the Fringe last year become a SELL OUT at the Pleasance. I bought a ticket and laughed at her stories. Comedy that is truthful appeals to me, real life anecdotes are what make me love comics like Bill Hicks Richard Pryor- and the late George Carlin, THEY ALL spoke about child abuse, drug addiction, cancer and real life issues. It may not be your cup of tea but that doesn't mean nobody else should enjoy it. You have an issue with the woman and it is becoming clearer by each posting. I am wondering if you are either a failed comic or a bad writer. To cheer yourself up you should go see her show at 7pm at the Pleasance this year, let the anger go old chap!
I bought a ticket and laughed at her stories
- that you get enjoyment out of stories of child abuse is your business, Edinburgh folk are gie queer; I reserve the right to comment on people making money out of it.
Are you really so silly as to argue that selling out a show is relevant to whether or not it is permissible to comment on the behaviour of someone operating in the media? I am sure we can come up with a list of unpleasant people who have filled stadia rather larger that the theatre Ms Godley packed.
And pleading Buckie Nic in your defence is pretty pointless - Godley wrote that the people of the East End need this and don't need this - I am prepared to believe her when she says what they need is closer monitoring by the police given what she writes about their propensity for child abuse and murder; who am I to disagree with this towering intellect?
Posted by: Fringe Monkey, Edinburgh on 9:19pm Thu 24 Jul 08
[quote][bold]heady[/bold] wrote:
[quote]I dont believe Heady should be allowed to tell me what i should or should not like[/quote] - I agree, that's why I have never told you who to like. If you visit us here in the real world you'll find that far from telling you who to like what disgusts me is that people like you do like this stuff and pay good money to hoover up stories of child abuse and violence. Of course, no one should expect insight from people who like the sort of thing you like - the fact that there are so many of you is not something we should be proud of.[/quote] Heady, you really are in the minority when it comes to enjoying various types of stand up comedy. How dare you say that people who enjoy Godley's stand up are the people 'we' are not proud of(God knows who you are speaking for)
Are you really from the Real World? What world is it that you inhabit? It cant be the same world where thousands of people go pay tickets and enjoy the likes of Billy Connolly- Peter Kay- The late Bill Hicks- Brendon Burns- Reginald Hunter and the shed loads of comics who sell THOUSANDS of tickets year in and out.
Ok, it's not your type of comedy, you I suspect like your comedy a different way and thats absolutely fine, but to say you are NOT proud of the people who enjoy her comedy is some sort of inverted snobbery.
You dont like her, FINE but do keep mentioning her name, you really arent doing anyhting other than keeping this thread alive with your blatant hatred (or secretive publicity) of Janey Godley.
http://www.pleasance
.co.uk/edinburgh/lis
tings/search/domesti
c+godley
heady wrote:
I dont believe Heady should be allowed to tell me what i should or should not like
- I agree, that's why I have never told you who to like. If you visit us here in the real world you'll find that far from telling you who to like what disgusts me is that people like you do like this stuff and pay good money to hoover up stories of child abuse and violence. Of course, no one should expect insight from people who like the sort of thing you like - the fact that there are so many of you is not something we should be proud of.
Heady, you really are in the minority when it comes to enjoying various types of stand up comedy. How dare you say that people who enjoy Godley's stand up are the people 'we' are not proud of(God knows who you are speaking for)
Are you really from the Real World? What world is it that you inhabit? It cant be the same world where thousands of people go pay tickets and enjoy the likes of Billy Connolly- Peter Kay- The late Bill Hicks- Brendon Burns- Reginald Hunter and the shed loads of comics who sell THOUSANDS of tickets year in and out.
Ok, it's not your type of comedy, you I suspect like your comedy a different way and thats absolutely fine, but to say you are NOT proud of the people who enjoy her comedy is some sort of inverted snobbery.
You dont like her, FINE but do keep mentioning her name, you really arent doing anyhting other than keeping this thread alive with your blatant hatred (or secretive publicity) of Janey Godley.
http://www.pleasance
.co.uk/edinburgh/lis
tings/search/domesti
c+godley
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