Part 3: Holyrood - Gray supporter bought campaign website before Alexander quit Candidate accused of launching leadership bid too earlyBy Scottish Political Editor, Paul Hutcheon A LEADING CANDIDATE in the race to become Labour's next Holyrood leader has been accused of launching his bid to succeed Wendy Alexander before she announced her decision to quit. A key backer of Iain Gray registered a campaign website for the MSP at a time when Alexander was still in post. This is in spite of Gray insisting that he only discussed standing "in the days following her resignation".
The gaffe comes as three candidates - East Lothian MSP Gray, former health minister Andy Kerr and former justice minister Cathy Jamieson - vie to become Labour's leader in Scotland.
The trio will spend the summer locked in battle to succeed Alexander, who resigned after months of negative publicity surrounding donations to her own leadership campaign.
All candidates publicly launched their campaigns last week, but the Sunday Herald has obtained evidence that Gray had entered the race weeks before his official declaration.
A database of website registrations shows that Gordon MacRae, a PR executive who is part of Gray's circle of supporters, bought three domain names. The web addresses were purchased on June 28, the day of Alexander's resignation, but "iaingrayforscotland.org" was registered at "08:47" that morning.
This was two-and-a-half hours before Alexander read out her resignation speech at Scottish Labour HQ in Glasgow, and before she informed her shadow Cabinet colleagues of her intention to quit. It was said to have been around the time colleagues were trying to persuade Alexander to cling on as leader.
Asked at a briefing last week about how quickly he decided to stand after Alexander's resignation, Gray said: "I began to speak to colleagues in the week or so following Wendy's resignation."
A spokesman for Gray said: "Gordon MacRae is a supporter of Iain Gray, but has no official role in the campaign. He registered three domain names on the day of Wendy Alexander's resignation. He did it off his own back, without asking Iain."
But a Labour source said: "It seems a bit tasteless to register a campaign site before there is even a vacancy."
Gray, a Brownite, used the briefing to outline his views on nuclear power, the replacement of Trident and whether the parliament needs more powers.
On energy policy, Gray said he believed Scotland may need a new generation of nuclear power stations: "It seems to me nuclear is the most important low-carbon base-load production in our electricity. We will need that for some time into the future, and that could involve potentially another generation."
He said he was in favour of multi-lateral disarmament, but backed the replacement of Trident: "There is still a place for it. I'm not anti-Trident."
Gray was cautious about boosting Holyrood's financial powers, an issue being examined by the Calman Commission: "That's quite a difficult task, but I think the Commission will take it very seriously. If there is a way of doing that, then I am hopeful they will be able to suggest it."
MacRae did not return calls yesterday.
Meanwhile, the leadership contest has descended into a war of words after one of the candidates was described as wanting to take her party "back into the f***ing caves". A senior source close to Andy Kerr, the bookies' favourite, made the remark about the leadership bid of Cathy Jamieson, who is running to the left of the other candidates.
Gray and Kerr are considered to be on the modernisers' wing of the party, while Jamieson is associated with Old Labour. But the prospect of a Jamieson leadership, particularly if left-wing MSP Bill Butler wins the deputy's contest, is alarming the party's hierarchy who believe a left-wing approach would only benefit the Tories and the SNP.
A source on the Kerr campaign said: "I would rather work with Iain Gray than go back into the f****** caves with some of them. Cathy and Bill Butler, can you imagine? F*** me."
Another senior source said: "It would be a disaster if Cathy won. Her appeal is to another century. Surely to Christ, have we not moved on from that?"
Kerr used his campaign launch last week to outline his vision for the job, but it later emerged from his speaking notes that he had to have a defence of Gordon Brown prepared for him.
The script stated: "Do you support Gordon Brown ... Yes of course. He has a proven track record and I look forward to working with him."
Another part of the Kerr script focused on his recent breach of MSP rules for not declaring hospitality from McDonald's: "Mr Kerr, Wendy Alexander resigned because she had failed to register donations, you have also been found guilty of not registering gifts, why are you any different ... That was a genuine oversight on my part which I regret."
The winning candidate will be selected via a complex electoral system devised for selecting Labour leaders.
One third of the vote is reserved for party members, another third for affiliated trade unions, with the remaining 33% being allocated to Scottish MPs, MEPs and MSPs.
A spokesman for Jamieson said: "This is a charming use of language. Cathy is not running with anyone and it's for others to make up their minds and choose their language."
Part 1 - The battle for Labour's soul
Part 2 - Who will wield the dagger in the cabinet?
Part 4 - What do we in Scottish Labour need in our nation's new political landscape? A leader with guts to stand up to Westminster
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Posted by: Jimmy the Pie on 12:08am Sun 3 Aug 08
That's the Sleaze Party at their best.
They seem to lie like its a reflex action.
Lets wipe them out completely.
Vote SNP.
[bold]The ONLY party for ALL the people of Scotland[/bold]
That's the Sleaze Party at their best.
They seem to lie like its a reflex action.
Lets wipe them out completely.
Vote SNP.
The ONLY party for ALL the people of Scotland Posted by: jogging jewellery, cliff top path on 12:08am Sun 3 Aug 08
crazy - who would want to lead scottish labour? three bald people fighting over a comb
crazy - who would want to lead scottish labour? three bald people fighting over a comb
Posted by: Iainbroch, Moray on 12:12am Sun 3 Aug 08
Somebody save me! I have broken so many ribs laughing at the fiasco that NuLiebour has become - probably better than any of the free comedy shows I will take in at the Edinbra festival?
Somebody save me! I have broken so many ribs laughing at the fiasco that NuLiebour has become - probably better than any of the free comedy shows I will take in at the Edinbra festival?
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 12:14am Sun 3 Aug 08
[quote]A source on the Kerr campaign said: "I would rather work with Iain Gray than go back into the f****** caves with some̳
;
4;of them. Cathy and Bill Butler, can you imagine? F*** me."
Another senior source said: "It would be a disaster if Cathy won. Her appeal is to another century. Surely to Christ, have we not moved on from that?"[/quote]
And let the bloodshed commence eh? Oh my aren't they being a tad cruel to cathy? I'd imagine most labour voters would like to see a return to some good old fashioned 'old labour' policy.
A source on the Kerr campaign said: "I would rather work with Iain Gray than go back into the f****** caves with some̳
;
4;of them. Cathy and Bill Butler, can you imagine? F*** me."
Another senior source said: "It would be a disaster if Cathy won. Her appeal is to another century. Surely to Christ, have we not moved on from that?"
And let the bloodshed commence eh? Oh my aren't they being a tad cruel to cathy? I'd imagine most labour voters would like to see a return to some good old fashioned 'old labour' policy.
Posted by: Frances on 12:23am Sun 3 Aug 08
Funny how an intended attack on Cathy Jamieson's policies ends up telling us far more about how Iain Gray is perceived within the party - "I would rather work with Iain Gray than go back into the f****** caves with some of them." That's rather in the style of put-downs such as "I'd rather snog Dr. John Reid than..."
Let's face it, if Labour want to go left, they pick Cathy Jamieson. If they want to go right (and possibly modernise their internal structures a little), they pick Andy Kerr. But if they want to go down and out, they need look no further than Iain Gray. The man's just another Gordon Brown. Except without the intellect. Or the charisma.
Funny how an intended attack on Cathy Jamieson's policies ends up telling us far more about how Iain Gray is perceived within the party - "I would rather work with Iain Gray than go back into the f****** caves with some of them." That's rather in the style of put-downs such as "I'd rather snog Dr. John Reid than..."
Let's face it, if Labour want to go left, they pick Cathy Jamieson. If they want to go right (and possibly modernise their internal structures a little), they pick Andy Kerr. But if they want to go down and out, they need look no further than Iain Gray. The man's just another Gordon Brown. Except without the intellect. Or the charisma.
Posted by: JWil on 12:23am Sun 3 Aug 08
[italic]A spokesman for Gray said: "Gordon MacRae is a supporter of Iain Gray, but has no official role in the campaign. He registered three domain names on the day of Wendy Alexander's resignation. He did it off his own back, without asking Iain."[/italic]
How could anyone believe what they say?
A spokesman for Gray said: "Gordon MacRae is a supporter of Iain Gray, but has no official role in the campaign. He registered three domain names on the day of Wendy Alexander's resignation. He did it off his own back, without asking Iain."
How could anyone believe what they say?
Posted by: Hannah on 12:25am Sun 3 Aug 08
"A database of website registrations shows that Gordon MacRae, a PR executive who is part of Gray's circle of supporters, bought three domain names. The web addresses were purchased on July 28, the day of Alexander's resignation, but "iaingrayforscotland
.org" was registered at "08:47" that morning."
Alexander did not resign on 28 July.
"A database of website registrations shows that Gordon MacRae, a PR executive who is part of Gray's circle of supporters, bought three domain names. The web addresses were purchased on July 28, the day of Alexander's resignation, but "iaingrayforscotland
.org" was registered at "08:47" that morning."
Alexander did not resign on 28 July.
Posted by: Celtic Lion, Roar on 12:37am Sun 3 Aug 08
Aye Paul, a couple of mistakes there. The web address was purchased on 28th June not July (no doubt a typo), and it was bought at 8:47am [italic]UTC[/italic], which would have made it 9:47am in the UK.
Aye Paul, a couple of mistakes there. The web address was purchased on 28th June not July (no doubt a typo), and it was bought at 8:47am
UTC, which would have made it 9:47am in the UK.
Posted by: Vincent McDee, Aberdeen on 12:41am Sun 3 Aug 08
He supports nuclear and trident.
Scotland does not.
End of the story.
He supports nuclear and trident.
Scotland does not.
End of the story.
Posted by: peter griffin, Quahog on 3:26am Sun 3 Aug 08
QuagmireforScotland?
?? I vote for that giggetty giggetty eh he he he he
QuagmireforScotland?
?? I vote for that giggetty giggetty eh he he he he
Posted by: Tam on 5:40am Sun 3 Aug 08
Were we ever told what happened to the money Wendy raised for her leadership campaign?
Were we ever told what happened to the money Wendy raised for her leadership campaign?
Posted by: Craig, Scotland on 5:47am Sun 3 Aug 08
There a [bold]typo[/bold] in the headline hehe...
There a
typo in the headline hehe...
Posted by: donald, glasgow on 6:25am Sun 3 Aug 08
Three Stooges.
Posted by: Vera Smart on 6:51am Sun 3 Aug 08
One the strength of that, I'd go for Cathy.
They still don't get it do they? The problem isn't that that they are [italic]too[/italic] left-wing, it is that they are not left wing [italic]enough[/italic] .
One the strength of that, I'd go for Cathy.
They still don't get it do they? The problem isn't that that they are
too left-wing, it is that they are not left wing
enough .
Posted by: mchardie on 8:41am Sun 3 Aug 08
Vera
the problem is they arent Scottish enough
Vera
the problem is they arent Scottish enough
Posted by: LEGION, ALBA on 8:51am Sun 3 Aug 08
All 3 of them are political pygmies. Westmonster tells them what to do/say and this will continue whether the Timid 3 disagree or not. Does anyone seriously believe Broon is going to give these people autonomy? LOL
All 3 of them are political pygmies. Westmonster tells them what to do/say and this will continue whether the Timid 3 disagree or not. Does anyone seriously believe Broon is going to give these people autonomy? LOL
Posted by: heady on 9:14am Sun 3 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Craig[/bold] wrote:
There a [bold]typo[/bold] in the headline hehe...[/quote] Quite.
Craig wrote:
There a typo in the headline hehe...
Quite.
Posted by: heady on 9:21am Sun 3 Aug 08
[quote]A LEADING CANDID
ATE [/quote] Iain Gray a leading candidate for anything? Too funny for words.
[quote]Cathy Jamieson, who is running to the left of the other candidates[/quote] Cathy Jamieson is a right-wing social democrat who has supported every one of nulabors attacks on ordinary people and its racist policy towards refugees.
[quote]Gray and Kerr are considered to be on the modernisers' wing of the party[/quote] ie so right wing that even the right-wing nulabor party of 15 years ago could hardly have contained them.
And what of Charlie Gordon?
A LEADING CANDID
ATE
Iain Gray a leading candidate for anything? Too funny for words.
Cathy Jamieson, who is running to the left of the other candidates
Cathy Jamieson is a right-wing social democrat who has supported every one of nulabors attacks on ordinary people and its racist policy towards refugees.
Gray and Kerr are considered to be on the modernisers' wing of the party
ie so right wing that even the right-wing nulabor party of 15 years ago could hardly have contained them.
And what of Charlie Gordon?
Posted by: Politically-incorrec
t Man, Donegal on 9:49am Sun 3 Aug 08
When one is shown the contempt with which these “slime-balls” hold each other’s views and the apparent ease with which they will side with those candidates who offer the best chance of continued presence at “trough”, I almost vomit.
These career parasites have taken a Party (which even if you hated it) once stood for a set of principles that were reasonably constant and well-defined and morphed it into something that gave them personal power irrespective of the effect on the electorate. They would not recognise integrity if it sat on their face and wriggled.
Their demeanour shows them to be a bunch of smooth-talking snake-oil salesmen who are beneath contempt.
When one is shown the contempt with which these “slime-balls” hold each other’s views and the apparent ease with which they will side with those candidates who offer the best chance of continued presence at “trough”, I almost vomit.
These career parasites have taken a Party (which even if you hated it) once stood for a set of principles that were reasonably constant and well-defined and morphed it into something that gave them personal power irrespective of the effect on the electorate. They would not recognise integrity if it sat on their face and wriggled.
Their demeanour shows them to be a bunch of smooth-talking snake-oil salesmen who are beneath contempt.
Posted by: The Wise One, Glasgow on 10:17am Sun 3 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Frances[/bold] wrote:
Funny how an intended attack on Cathy Jamieson's policies ends up telling us far more about how Iain Gray is perceived within the party - "I would rather work with Iain Gray than go back into the f****** caves with some of them." That's rather in the style of put-downs such as "I'd rather snog Dr. John Reid than..." Let's face it, if Labour want to go left, they pick Cathy Jamieson. If they want to go right (and possibly modernise their internal structures a little), they pick Andy Kerr. But if they want to go down and out, they need look no further than Iain Gray. The man's just another Gordon Brown. Except without the intellect. Or the charisma. [/quote] [bold]The man's just another Gordon Brown. Except without the intellect. Or the charisma.[/bold]
Gordo Brown. Charisma! Are you having a laugh?
Frances wrote:
Funny how an intended attack on Cathy Jamieson's policies ends up telling us far more about how Iain Gray is perceived within the party - "I would rather work with Iain Gray than go back into the f****** caves with some of them." That's rather in the style of put-downs such as "I'd rather snog Dr. John Reid than..." Let's face it, if Labour want to go left, they pick Cathy Jamieson. If they want to go right (and possibly modernise their internal structures a little), they pick Andy Kerr. But if they want to go down and out, they need look no further than Iain Gray. The man's just another Gordon Brown. Except without the intellect. Or the charisma.
The man's just another Gordon Brown. Except without the intellect. Or the charisma.
Gordo Brown. Charisma! Are you having a laugh?
Posted by: wullie, govan on 11:16am Sun 3 Aug 08
The script stated: "Do you support Gordon Brown ... Yes of course. He has a proven track record and I look forward to working with him."
eh I think what was meant here I look forward to being told what to do by him , as I dont have that ability myself
The script stated: "Do you support Gordon Brown ... Yes of course. He has a proven track record and I look forward to working with him."
eh I think what was meant here I look forward to being told what to do by him , as I dont have that ability myself
Posted by: tris, scotland on 11:42am Sun 3 Aug 08
[quote][bold]The Wise One[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Frances[/bold] wrote: Funny how an intended attack on Cathy Jamieson's policies ends up telling us far more about how Iain Gray is perceived within the party - "I would rather work with Iain Gray than go back into the f****** caves with some of them." That's rather in the style of put-downs such as "I'd rather snog Dr. John Reid than..." Let's face it, if Labour want to go left, they pick Cathy Jamieson. If they want to go right (and possibly modernise their internal structures a little), they pick Andy Kerr. But if they want to go down and out, they need look no further than Iain Gray. The man's just another Gordon Brown. Except without the intellect. Or the charisma. [/quote] [bold]The man's just another Gordon Brown. Except without the intellect. Or the charisma.[/bold] Gordo Brown. Charisma! Are you having a laugh?[/quote]
Hum. I think that was the point.
*****************
Jamieson [italic]is[/italic] probably to the left in this contest, but she's also a careerist. She clearly did not agree with Wendy's "Bring it on", but as deputy leader was happy to go along with it, because the alternative would have been to resign her position.
In some ways she would be the best for the party, because as Vera Smart says, the Scottish Labour voters would probably like a move to the left. On the other hand London would be unlikely to give any extra powers to someone like her, and indeed might take back some of the few powers the leader in Scotland has.
It does sound like the two men are clones of Brown. But who can believe anything any of them says in an election contest. We are talking [bold]Liebour[/bold] here!
The Wise One wrote:
Frances wrote: Funny how an intended attack on Cathy Jamieson's policies ends up telling us far more about how Iain Gray is perceived within the party - "I would rather work with Iain Gray than go back into the f****** caves with some of them." That's rather in the style of put-downs such as "I'd rather snog Dr. John Reid than..." Let's face it, if Labour want to go left, they pick Cathy Jamieson. If they want to go right (and possibly modernise their internal structures a little), they pick Andy Kerr. But if they want to go down and out, they need look no further than Iain Gray. The man's just another Gordon Brown. Except without the intellect. Or the charisma.
The man's just another Gordon Brown. Except without the intellect. Or the charisma. Gordo Brown. Charisma! Are you having a laugh?
Hum. I think that was the point.
*****************
Jamieson
is probably to the left in this contest, but she's also a careerist. She clearly did not agree with Wendy's "Bring it on", but as deputy leader was happy to go along with it, because the alternative would have been to resign her position.
In some ways she would be the best for the party, because as Vera Smart says, the Scottish Labour voters would probably like a move to the left. On the other hand London would be unlikely to give any extra powers to someone like her, and indeed might take back some of the few powers the leader in Scotland has.
It does sound like the two men are clones of Brown. But who can believe anything any of them says in an election contest. We are talking
Liebour here!
Posted by: jim mitchell, sauchie, Clack's on 11:46am Sun 3 Aug 08
I assume that they will all be watching each others leadership campaign donations like hawks then.
The real funny thing about all this of course is, that when somebody is elected, the rest will say that they are fully behind the new leader.
Great stuff.
I assume that they will all be watching each others leadership campaign donations like hawks then.
The real funny thing about all this of course is, that when somebody is elected, the rest will say that they are fully behind the new leader.
Great stuff.
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 11:58am Sun 3 Aug 08
[quote][bold]peter griffin[/bold] wrote:
QuagmireforScotland? ?? I vote for that giggetty giggetty eh he he he he[/quote] oh yeah!!!
Hey i'm seriously thinking about putting money on it. Lets face it cathy is too left and wants more power for the leader and Iain is just a westminster puppet in the waiting. He's going to win. Might go put a few quid on him and tavish (then if i win donate the money to the snp haha)
peter griffin wrote:
QuagmireforScotland? ?? I vote for that giggetty giggetty eh he he he he
oh yeah!!!
Hey i'm seriously thinking about putting money on it. Lets face it cathy is too left and wants more power for the leader and Iain is just a westminster puppet in the waiting. He's going to win. Might go put a few quid on him and tavish (then if i win donate the money to the snp haha)
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 12:02pm Sun 3 Aug 08
that was meant to say kerr wants more power for leader not wee cathy.
that was meant to say kerr wants more power for leader not wee cathy.
Posted by: Dido Bendigo, Scotland on 12:07pm Sun 3 Aug 08
Obviously a person of foresight, just what is needed in a prospective leader. If you don't agree? Just look at the man leading the Scottish Nationalists!
Obviously a person of foresight, just what is needed in a prospective leader. If you don't agree? Just look at the man leading the Scottish Nationalists!
Posted by: Richy, borders on 12:56pm Sun 3 Aug 08
It's a circular firing squad-bring it on!
It's a circular firing squad-bring it on!
Posted by: Wee Fifer, Edinburgh on 1:28pm Sun 3 Aug 08
The vile comments on Cathy by Kerr's supporters are a pretty good reflection of his own all too evident personality defects. Labour support in Scotland will evaporate even further under Kerr. It is incredible that he has backing in the party given how he comes across as a nasty slimeball. Same for Iain Gray. Jamieson is by far the best of the three, but even she might not be good enough, which shows how deep the brown stuff that they are in is.
Re earlier comments. Scotland is a left wing country. That means that Scottish Labour needs to accept two facts: 1) Scotland is a country and 2) it is left wing. Kerr's bunch don't get that what Scots generally want is not more PFI and his mates in the private sector sucking the blood out of the public sector which is paid for by left wing tax payers.
I reckon if either Gray or Kerr get it then Labour in Scotland will get massively rejected. Cathy's their only slim chance at the moment as she at leats gets 50% of the Scotland - left wing country equation. Gray and Kerr are both mind-numbing apologists for predatory capitalism and wouldn't know social justice if it hit them in the face. A decapitation strategy for their seats at the next Holyrood election would be fairly successful for either seat.
The vile comments on Cathy by Kerr's supporters are a pretty good reflection of his own all too evident personality defects. Labour support in Scotland will evaporate even further under Kerr. It is incredible that he has backing in the party given how he comes across as a nasty slimeball. Same for Iain Gray. Jamieson is by far the best of the three, but even she might not be good enough, which shows how deep the brown stuff that they are in is.
Re earlier comments. Scotland is a left wing country. That means that Scottish Labour needs to accept two facts: 1) Scotland is a country and 2) it is left wing. Kerr's bunch don't get that what Scots generally want is not more PFI and his mates in the private sector sucking the blood out of the public sector which is paid for by left wing tax payers.
I reckon if either Gray or Kerr get it then Labour in Scotland will get massively rejected. Cathy's their only slim chance at the moment as she at leats gets 50% of the Scotland - left wing country equation. Gray and Kerr are both mind-numbing apologists for predatory capitalism and wouldn't know social justice if it hit them in the face. A decapitation strategy for their seats at the next Holyrood election would be fairly successful for either seat.
Posted by: sceptic sid on 3:32pm Sun 3 Aug 08
hi , can't remember if it was gray or kerr but one of them stated that it was time to get back to labours core values but did not say wether they were the core values that they failed to deliver over the past 40 plus years or the new core values they adopted to get elected in england 11 years ago. all the articles in todays sunday herald simply show what most of us commoners already know. the labour party are so far out of touch with the majority of the people in our country it is embarrasing.we are years in front of them and they show no way of catching up with us.
hi , can't remember if it was gray or kerr but one of them stated that it was time to get back to labours core values but did not say wether they were the core values that they failed to deliver over the past 40 plus years or the new core values they adopted to get elected in england 11 years ago. all the articles in todays sunday herald simply show what most of us commoners already know. the labour party are so far out of touch with the majority of the people in our country it is embarrasing.we are years in front of them and they show no way of catching up with us.
Posted by: Leesome, Glasgow on 5:42pm Sun 3 Aug 08
Cathy & Bill from te campaign for socialism, still meeting on a Sunday? the working man & womans day off. Hows taht for defending a workers right. Labours oot, and not to return until these muggers have left the house.
Cathy & Bill from te campaign for socialism, still meeting on a Sunday? the working man & womans day off. Hows taht for defending a workers right. Labours oot, and not to return until these muggers have left the house.
Posted by: Alistair Drnmond, Edinburgh on 9:54pm Sun 3 Aug 08
Labour have had over seventy years in Scotland.
16 years in Govenment.
Time for a radical change in direction.
Labour have had over seventy years in Scotland.
16 years in Govenment.
Time for a radical change in direction.
Posted by: karin on 10:11pm Sun 3 Aug 08
ooo ladies and gents i think at last the "mole" is unmasked............
ooo ladies and gents i think at last the "mole" is unmasked............
Posted by: poor journalism on 10:51pm Sun 3 Aug 08
Journalism or a one sided smear campaign by a small-minded rag? Care to share what the nats say about each other in the bars? What the hell happened to the Sunday Herald?
Journalism or a one sided smear campaign by a small-minded rag? Care to share what the nats say about each other in the bars? What the hell happened to the Sunday Herald?