Showdown over Trident could yet bring regime change in Scotland Nuclear issue key to future of Holyrood ... even if Jack toughs it out IF THE government was actually trying to create a climate of suspicion about nuclear power it couldn't do much better. Last week, the high court in London condemned its public consultation on nuclear power as
"misleading" and "seriously flawed".It provided virtually no information about the real costs and risks.
In fact,it wasn't really a consultation at all, but a public relations exercise. Tony Blair had already decided what he wanted to do, and the consultation - like the dodgy dossiers on Iraq - were created to fit the policy. We have been here before.
The Committee on Radioactive Waste Management (CORWM) held a similarly empty consultation on nuclear waste before it reported in July last year. It was supposed to find a solution to the most intractable problem of this form of energy.
But it rapidly became clear that this three-year inquiry was essentially a PR exercise designed to persuade the public that there was no alternative to deep geological storage of nuclear waste. Which isn't actually a solution at all. The purpose was to dispel "irrational" public fears about nuclear power. It was an exercise in managed consent.
We are supposed to be completing another consultation right now on a new generation of Trident nuclear submarines, though there has been precious little sign of it. As with the decision to build a new generation of nuclear power stations, the consultation on Trident has been an empty exercise in ex-post facto accountability. The key decision has already been taken, and the prime minister admitted as much in December when he said it would be "unwise and dangerous" not to renew Trident.
Indeed, Blair has been remarkably frank about his nuclear intentions all along. Nuclear power is "back with a vengeance" he said when announcing the last energy review. His reaction to Mr Justice Sullivan's decision that the nuclear consultation was unlawful was a shrug of the shoulders. "It won't alter the policy," he said on his visit to Scotland.
You wonder why they bother holding them at all. Like the e-petition on road pricing, these consultations are immensely counter-productive. If there is a case for new nuclear power stations, this is not the way to make it.
The nuclear industry already has such an appalling record of deception and concealment, that the government should be bending over backwards to be open and above board. Take Dounreay. It took 40 years for the truth to emerge about the release of plutonium particles from the fast-breeder reactor in Caithness, or the dumping of radioactive waste in a landfill site, or the explosion there in 1977, which sprayed nuclear material across the beaches.
Yet, it was only two weeks ago in Wick Sheriff Court that the UK Atomic Energy Authority finally owned up by pleading guilty to four breaches of the Radioactive Substances Act. It was fined £140,000.
This "fast breeder" reactor, which was supposed to generate energy from spent nuclear fuel, never worked and will cost £4 billion to decommission. Borne of unwarranted technological optimism and clothed in official secrecy, Dounreay represents the industry in microcosm.
It may be the case that nuclear power in some form will have to remain a part of the energy equation, at least until renewable energy sources can be developed. All the more reason, then, for the industry and the government to give up the habits of a lifetime.
The essence of the problem is endemic secrecy. Deception is in the DNA of the nuclear industry, and dates back to its origins as part of Britain's nuclear weapons programme after the second world war. Stations, like Calder Hall and Windscale, were built to generate plutonium for atomic bombs. Civil nuclear power was an afterthought.
The programme took place under the Labour government of Clement Attlee, in utmost secrecy. The UK Cabinet wasn't consulted, let alone the public.
The development of successive generations of Britain's "independent nuclear deterrent", through Polaris, Chevaline and Trident, has been shrouded in double-speak and dissembling. And so it continues today. In his speech to the Commons in December, the prime minister claimed that the renewal of Trident would comply with the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.After all, it was only the boats which were being replaced, and the number of warheads would be reduced.
However, it is an open secret that the government is working on a "reliable replacement warhead" which would breach the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NNPT). At the Atomic Weapons EstablishmentatAldermaston in Berkshire, work has already started on testing the new device.This simulates theeffectofathermonuclearexplosion, enabling new nuclear weapons to be tested without detonating underground bomb tests.
This was all revealed in the Sunday Times last year and the substance of the report has never been denied. In these circumstances, and with this history, it is hardly surprising that paranoia is the default position of the nuclear state.
Last week, concerned scientists, writers and church leaders launched a campaign against replacing Trident. This is a noble if belated effort, but the real focus of dissent should have been in parliament itself for that is where the final decision will shortly be made.
Unfortunately, Westminster seems to have given up the ghost, even before it died. Which leaves Holyrood the only democratic body left to challenge the nuclear spectre - even though the Scottish parliament formally has no say over nuclear power or nuclear defence. Nuclear politics will play a key role in the Scottish elections in May, if only because four out of five Scots oppose Trident and there remain deep reservations about nuclear power.
It will not help Jack McConnell's campaign that a Labour government has been caught mounting a phoney consultation on nuclear power. And it seems a racing certainty that MPs in Westminster will vote for a new generation of Trident in the Clyde next month, on the very eve of the Holyrood campaign.
McConnell has made his own views pretty clear on both issues: he is a sceptic on both nuclear power and nuclear defence, but has been brought reluctantly into line on both counts. He now accepts the inevitability of Trident renewal and the need for nuclear power.
But the other main Scottish parties, SNP and LibDem - unlike the Tory opposition in Westminster - reject both nuclear power and renewing Trident. Voters of Scotland have a choice to make, and their decision could have profound implications for the future of the UK. The real consultation begins here.
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Posted by: Alan Smart, Falkirk on 1:26am Sun 18 Feb 07
The Scottish Labour Party’s position on Trident is absurd. I was in the party in the early 80s when the Thatcher government proposed building the current Trident(1) system, soon to be obsolete. Then, whilst there was a raging debate in the party between the unilateral disarmers and the multilateral disarmers, everybody, and I mean everybody from George Robertson to Alex Wood was 100% against Trident - unilateral rearmament they all called it. And over priced and over powered for whatever threat - and it was least a credible military one - that the soviet block posed. But 25 years on the Soviet block is no more, Poland is in NATO as are many other ex Warsaw pact countries. Where is the threat, except a largely made Islamic terrorist movement, if it does exist, the product of Tony’s foreign policy, and clearly a “threat” against which Tridents 1 , 2 ,3 or 4 would be about as useful as a chocolate fireguard.
If Trident 1 was overpowered for the Russian "threat" in 1980 ( when, whatever its intentions it did have have 200 plus nuclear warheads permanently pointing at the UK) surely Trident 2 is an absurd idea in 2007?. And Jack, Kathy, Margaret, Wendy - the whole lot of you - you were either hopelessly wrong then or hopelessly wrong now, Or just phoney on both occasions I suspect.
Really not fit to run a sweetie shop, let alone our country - “Tony's dividend”, previusly ok people so compromised by Blarite democratic centralism, and people so obsessed by their own careers plus a pathological fear of the SNP, that they will say anything, support anything.
If I had even suggested to any one of them in 1980 that in 27 years on they would be running Scotland and campaigning for Trident 2, with the Soviet union defected, and 75% plus of Scots - the people they are supposed to represent, not Tony - opposed to Trident 2 they have thrown me out the door. Mind you these are the same former NUS activist who to a man and woman voted for student fees, careers before people from day one. (Even Lord George Brown in the 60s resist a few years before selling out)
And talking of a Brown , remember it was the laird of Kirkcaldy himself who announced labour was now pro trident 2. at a black tie city gents bean feast in London lst year. You really could not have made any of this up in 1980 without being certified, expelled certainly for slander,,. It is just so personally sad to see people I used to know, good people in their day, turn out like this
But the price people pray for carving out careers in the corpse of what used to be the Scottish Labour Party. Time the whole show was pulled off stage I think - and it will never come back as all it will be then is a failed job creation scheme.
A dirty election fight? - you bet it will be, they will fight to the death. - “Boil their own grannies” I think was the phrase back when I once carried a card
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The Scottish Labour Party’s position on Trident is absurd. I was in the party in the early 80s when the Thatcher government proposed building the current Trident(1) system, soon to be obsolete. Then, whilst there was a raging debate in the party between the unilateral disarmers and the multilateral disarmers, everybody, and I mean everybody from George Robertson to Alex Wood was 100% against Trident - unilateral rearmament they all called it. And over priced and over powered for whatever threat - and it was least a credible military one - that the soviet block posed. But 25 years on the Soviet block is no more, Poland is in NATO as are many other ex Warsaw pact countries. Where is the threat, except a largely made Islamic terrorist movement, if it does exist, the product of Tony’s foreign policy, and clearly a “threat” against which Tridents 1 , 2 ,3 or 4 would be about as useful as a chocolate fireguard.
If Trident 1 was overpowered for the Russian "threat" in 1980 ( when, whatever its intentions it did have have 200 plus nuclear warheads permanently pointing at the UK) surely Trident 2 is an absurd idea in 2007?. And Jack, Kathy, Margaret, Wendy - the whole lot of you - you were either hopelessly wrong then or hopelessly wrong now, Or just phoney on both occasions I suspect.
Really not fit to run a sweetie shop, let alone our country - “Tony's dividend”, previusly ok people so compromised by Blarite democratic centralism, and people so obsessed by their own careers plus a pathological fear of the SNP, that they will say anything, support anything.
If I had even suggested to any one of them in 1980 that in 27 years on they would be running Scotland and campaigning for Trident 2, with the Soviet union defected, and 75% plus of Scots - the people they are supposed to represent, not Tony - opposed to Trident 2 they have thrown me out the door. Mind you these are the same former NUS activist who to a man and woman voted for student fees, careers before people from day one. (Even Lord George Brown in the 60s resist a few years before selling out)
And talking of a Brown , remember it was the laird of Kirkcaldy himself who announced labour was now pro trident 2. at a black tie city gents bean feast in London lst year. You really could not have made any of this up in 1980 without being certified, expelled certainly for slander,,. It is just so personally sad to see people I used to know, good people in their day, turn out like this
But the price people pray for carving out careers in the corpse of what used to be the Scottish Labour Party. Time the whole show was pulled off stage I think - and it will never come back as all it will be then is a failed job creation scheme.
A dirty election fight? - you bet it will be, they will fight to the death. - “Boil their own grannies” I think was the phrase back when I once carried a card
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Posted by: David Alexander on 1:51am Sun 18 Feb 07
Alan
You have summed it up all very well.
Its a disgrace that we still have Trident and even worse that we are thinking of renewing it.
To think that we went to war because Saddam Hussein and WMDs and Iran is not allowed a nuclear programme.
The hypocrisy alone is astounding.
I appreciate Iain McWhirter bringing this up but in the next breath he will campaign for Gordon 'War financier' Brown to be the next PM.
Labour MUST be evicted at the next election and all your card carrying friends must come to their senses before it is too late.
Alan
You have summed it up all very well.
Its a disgrace that we still have Trident and even worse that we are thinking of renewing it.
To think that we went to war because Saddam Hussein and WMDs and Iran is not allowed a nuclear programme.
The hypocrisy alone is astounding.
I appreciate Iain McWhirter bringing this up but in the next breath he will campaign for Gordon 'War financier' Brown to be the next PM.
Labour MUST be evicted at the next election and all your card carrying friends must come to their senses before it is too late.
Posted by: Alan Smart on 2:46am Sun 18 Feb 07
David, all my former card carrying frieds with any integrity are long gone. Those who are left, even the handful of "good guys", re o compromised they just have to be taken out, for their own good in some cases. And if labour was ever going to revolt it woud have been thrre years ago over the war? With Brown taking over it wil get worse in Scotland -he is more of a control freak than Blair, and scotland is his patch.
"Get out, vote SNP or Green" is all I have to say to those still left now. Or "retire, at least get out the way."
David, all my former card carrying frieds with any integrity are long gone. Those who are left, even the handful of "good guys", re o compromised they just have to be taken out, for their own good in some cases. And if labour was ever going to revolt it woud have been thrre years ago over the war? With Brown taking over it wil get worse in Scotland -he is more of a control freak than Blair, and scotland is his patch.
"Get out, vote SNP or Green" is all I have to say to those still left now. Or "retire, at least get out the way."
Posted by: David Alexander on 2:53am Sun 18 Feb 07
Alan
I'm dismayed when people say 'I vote Labour because my granny did'.
Who your granny voted for has NOTHING to do with who you vote for today.
Granny wasn't voting for Son of Trident.
BTW, here is an interesting link from today's Independent on Sunday.
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article2281382.ece
The quicker people waken up the better.
Personally, I'm looking forward to the day when Scotland rules itself and pays its own way in the world.
Alan
I'm dismayed when people say 'I vote Labour because my granny did'.
Who your granny voted for has NOTHING to do with who you vote for today.
Granny wasn't voting for Son of Trident.
BTW, here is an interesting link from today's Independent on Sunday.
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article2281382.ece
The quicker people waken up the better.
Personally, I'm looking forward to the day when Scotland rules itself and pays its own way in the world.
Posted by: tom kane, edinburgh on 12:11pm Sun 18 Feb 07
The Scottish Labour Party has got to wake up. You don't need to be a unionist to be a socialist. You do not need to please Blair to be in Power. You have a responsibility to serve Scotland.
I was ashamed on the day that 10s of Thousands of anti-war people walked to the Scottish Labour Party conference at the Scottish Exhibition Centre in Glasgow and not a single Scottish Labour MSP came outside to address the crowd.
Whoever told them to keep quiet made them impotent.
That's where they are with the current settlement with the UK. And if they plan continue to be impotent through the Trident discussions and whatever comes along next - they will destroy what the labour party in Scotland has always stood for: fairness, and decency. And I think it's inevitable that Scotland will leave them behind.
The Scottish Labour Party has got to wake up. You don't need to be a unionist to be a socialist. You do not need to please Blair to be in Power. You have a responsibility to serve Scotland.
I was ashamed on the day that 10s of Thousands of anti-war people walked to the Scottish Labour Party conference at the Scottish Exhibition Centre in Glasgow and not a single Scottish Labour MSP came outside to address the crowd.
Whoever told them to keep quiet made them impotent.
That's where they are with the current settlement with the UK. And if they plan continue to be impotent through the Trident discussions and whatever comes along next - they will destroy what the labour party in Scotland has always stood for: fairness, and decency. And I think it's inevitable that Scotland will leave them behind.
Posted by: Ted on 12:11pm Sun 18 Feb 07
I cannot believe the Lib Dems won't make nuclear non-negotiable, like the Greens have. They have been the biggest disappointment of devolution, and the sooner they're out of power the better.
If they were to take a stand on it, then almost any combination of parties would see an end to nuclear power and weapons except Lab/Tory (perhaps the natural coalition for Holyrood, much as Labour denies it).
Only the Greens and the SNP really seem to understand how important this is, though.
I cannot believe the Lib Dems won't make nuclear non-negotiable, like the Greens have. They have been the biggest disappointment of devolution, and the sooner they're out of power the better.
If they were to take a stand on it, then almost any combination of parties would see an end to nuclear power and weapons except Lab/Tory (perhaps the natural coalition for Holyrood, much as Labour denies it).
Only the Greens and the SNP really seem to understand how important this is, though.
Posted by: Iain MacLaren, Ireland on 12:35pm Sun 18 Feb 07
Increasingly, the political establishment is disengaging from the real world. Nuclear weapons are completely redundant these days. Having the most powerful nuclear forces on the planet didn't prevent 9/11.
But even terrorism is nothing compared to the threat of climate change, let's start a new war, a war against planetary destruction and use the money for Trident2 for this far better cause. Let's build a new lifestyle based on renewable energy, local food production, more human scale of communities and social justice.
Increasingly, the political establishment is disengaging from the real world. Nuclear weapons are completely redundant these days. Having the most powerful nuclear forces on the planet didn't prevent 9/11.
But even terrorism is nothing compared to the threat of climate change, let's start a new war, a war against planetary destruction and use the money for Trident2 for this far better cause. Let's build a new lifestyle based on renewable energy, local food production, more human scale of communities and social justice.
Posted by: James Waugh on 5:40pm Sun 18 Feb 07
The true cost of this weapons system is in excess of 100 Billion pounds. Westminster won't own it and will require US permission to use it. Tony Bliar is only contributing all this cash to his pal GWB's country's failing economy. By keeping it in Scotland he's making this country a terrorist target. If the English Government (it never was in fact ever British) want these weapons, put them on the Thames.
As for Tome Kane's post re fairness and decency in the NeoCon Labour party, I have never seen it. All I see are a bunch of lying hypocrites like the Krankies AKA Wendy and Dougie.
The true cost of this weapons system is in excess of 100 Billion pounds. Westminster won't own it and will require US permission to use it. Tony Bliar is only contributing all this cash to his pal GWB's country's failing economy. By keeping it in Scotland he's making this country a terrorist target. If the English Government (it never was in fact ever British) want these weapons, put them on the Thames.
As for Tome Kane's post re fairness and decency in the NeoCon Labour party, I have never seen it. All I see are a bunch of lying hypocrites like the Krankies AKA Wendy and Dougie.
Posted by: mairi macleod on 1:12pm Mon 19 Feb 07
good post james,with people like you about scotland will surely prosper,i have never seen this fairness,decency,and all the goodies that tom kane mentions in his post,old,new,or somewhere in between,labour comes across as selv-serving,obsessive,bunch of hypocrits,how else do you explain the twins alexander wendy alias (the mouth) and dougy (the squeak) and the doom and gloom of scotland looking after itself 300yrs of union dividend we are the a---h--- of europe, what an aspiration, perhaps its because sussesive egotists have spent our money on the wrong things like trident, and things to flex mustle and use their empty heads to have endless wars, to look powerfull.
good post james,with people like you about scotland will surely prosper,i have never seen this fairness,decency,and all the goodies that tom kane mentions in his post,old,new,or somewhere in between,labour comes across as selv-serving,obsessive,bunch of hypocrits,how else do you explain the twins alexander wendy alias (the mouth) and dougy (the squeak) and the doom and gloom of scotland looking after itself 300yrs of union dividend we are the a---h--- of europe, what an aspiration, perhaps its because sussesive egotists have spent our money on the wrong things like trident, and things to flex mustle and use their empty heads to have endless wars, to look powerfull.
Posted by: Bob on 7:31pm Mon 19 Feb 07
Certainly the majority of the Scottish people are against the replacement of Trident. What the debate in Parliament just before Christmas showed was that a majority of the present Parliament is also against the replacement of Trident.
Certainly the majority of the Scottish people are against the replacement of Trident. What the debate in Parliament just before Christmas showed was that a majority of the present Parliament is also against the replacement of Trident.