Madeleine is more than a news story, she symbolises the dangers all children face JOURNALISTS HAVE children too. That trite remark is not intended to illustrate the old myth of dispassionate objectivity. Nor is it an attempt, particularly, to give a human face to a sometimes inhumane trade. It's just a fact,
and blindingly obvious. Sorry about that.
In this trade we know a little about a lot of things, but there are many things we can never know. How does it really feel to be Tony Blair, or a suicide bomber, or a Saudi princeling? What, if anything, goes on in the mind of a movie star, or a Darfur refugee, or a musical prodigy? We can do youinformation,speculation,andempathy, sometimes. Omniscience is not our game. But parenthood?
That's a species marker, more often than not. It's the reason why new fathers and mothers will bore you witless over dinner with the one topic of which they never tire. It is the subject upon which anyone who has reproduced is an expert, self-appointed. It is,too,thehumanchordthatalwayssounds.
If a miracle should happen in the elapsed time between these words being written and being read, most of what follows will be irrelevant. I'll be the very last to complain. Perhaps reports of a "credible" telephone informant in the hunt for Madeleine McCann will bear fruit. No sane person will then giveatossaboutwhatIthought.Suchhas been the resonance of the thing, for parents above all: nothing matters more than finding the child.
We've all been there. Those 10 minutes in the supermarket or on the beach when you realise thatthephrase"blindpanic"isnocliché.It describes the condition precisely. You cease to see, you cease to think. Or rather, you seem to see everything,instantly,heightenedbeyondyour powers of description. You seem to think every possible thought, rational and irrational. Suddenly youarehyper-aware,yetblindanddeaf.It happenstoeveryparent,soonerorlater.It happens, somewhere, every day.
No-one who has thought about the McCann case has forgotten those facts. How do the child's parents, Gerry and Kate, feel? No parent has to guess. Every parent has lived with the vague dread ofanticipatedloss.Andeveryoneknowsthat children are being lost - somewhere, every day - in a vicious world. It makes the Madeleine phenomenon inspiring and unsettling simultaneously. It also asks very hard questions of journalism.
Years ago, just out of university but with nothing resembling a career to my name, I worked as a night porter in a hospital. Permanent night shift, six times a week for months on end: if there was someone lower on the institutional pecking order I never met him. The hours were long, mostly tedious, but the work was easy enough, with a single exception.
The hospital had large, leafy grounds, with a children's unit tucked away in a far corner. The kids there were very sick, often beyond help. Sometimes, in the small hours, the telephone in the porters' lodge would go off and a nurse would be calling for oxygen cylinders. Instantly. There was a trolley affair for the purpose, but in the darkness, with time short, you had an alternative: put the things on your back and run.
How fast can you run under a pressing weight when a child is dying? You'd be surprised. I even developed the habit - grisly, with hindsight - of timing myself, and I was never a born sprinter. After a few months I also developed a rule: having heard the wrong answer too often I stopped asking thenursesifachildhadmadeitthroughto morning. Those women lived with knowledge I didn't need.
That may be the point, if any, of the tale. Life has menaced the McCanns, menaced the core of their existence, in a manner that most of us dread to contemplate. Is that news? The question is intended to sound harsh. The fact is that your child is at more risk from a drunken or stupid driver than from a predator. The fact is, equally, that Madeleine is not the first child to have been abducted, nor, in this miserable human zoo of ours, will she be the last. Another fact is that accidents, disease, hunger and bombs kill children every moment of every day. But for weeks now only one child has truly occupied our attention.
Is that wrong? Is the fact that the McCanns, their families and friends, have conducted a technically brilliantpublicrelationscampaigntokeep Madeleine's image bright in our minds somehow unsettling, as though demanding that we forget every other infant at risk? Two answers. First, if that "credible" phone call has made a difference, the strategy followed by Gerry and Kate will have been vindicated. Secondly, who dares to blame them?
Again, most parents would respond without even thinking. You do anything, you do everything: whatever it takes. You spend every penny you have, kick open any door, trample over anyone who gets in your way. Melodrama is a temptationindiscussionssuchasthis,butforget quibbles. A parent worth the name would kill to protect a child. Such is the context, I think, for the extraordinary attention paid to Madeleine.
People will remind you, rightly enough, of all the other suffering children in the world. They will tell you about all the missing infants who are never mentioned on the Six O'Clock News. They will ask, knowing the answer full well, whether the pressandthebroadcastersintendtogivethe parents of every starving African baby the aid, comfort and respect offered to the McCanns. Such individuals have a healthy distaste for that strange affair, the media frenzy.
Journalists, some of them, have been wondering about these things too. For weeks they have been covering the story of Madeleine in the knowledge that there has been only a single story, retold endlessly. A child has gone missing and the police have made no progress. Beyond publicising the publicity efforts of Gerry and Kate, there has been nothing to add. In journalism, with its limited attention span, that counts as unusual.
So should the media have treated the McCann story as they treat other stories? Should the media therefore have applied their normal practices if that meant hindering the safe return of the child? Journalists have children too. Yet if those journalists were consistent they would turn their industry intoapublicservice.Everyworthycampaign, every just cause, every child at risk, would receive our attention.
Thereisn'tenoughnewsprint.Thereisn't enough air-time. There is not, to be blunt, enough public interest. When journalism becomes an extended charity advert people switch off: that's the truth, like it - and no-one would admit that, of course - or not. Yet reverse the argument. Lay it, since I'm the one doing the talking, at my door. Would I be writing about any of this were it not for Madeleine? Probably not.
ONE child has come to embody a great mass of social and parental love, fear, distress and unease. In her tiny image there is the reminder that the world is never safe, that misery strikes like a bolt from a clear sky. Last week, in an odd parallel, a report reminded us that we in the West are raising a generation of children who no longer play freely in the streets. Parents will not take the risk, however slight. Parents read of a hit-and-run claiming a child in Edinburgh and draw their own ever-closer.
Medicine has improved since the days when I hauled oxygen cylinders: more children survive. Predators are shocking precisely because they are rare:thechancesareremote.Dietisbetter; schools (for my money) are better; and parents know more about child welfare (or have fewer excuses for ignorance) than ever. Yet the image of one fair-haired infant awakens every nightmare.
Weliveinasocietythathasreducedchild mortality dramatically: perhaps, paradoxically, that is why we fear. We no longer accept that children, Western children at least, can simply die or disappear. Then we are caused to remember that this, too, is one of prosperity's delusions. Fixating on Madeleine we fixate on a thought we cannot utter: poor nameless African children die; this child was supposed to be safe. Suddenly a world is at risk.
Withluckandjustice,though,youwillnot even have read the words "luck and justice" this morning.
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Posted by: concerned parent, Manchester on 11:43pm Sat 9 Jun 07
At what stage are the good members of society going to demand that enough is enough. We should be protecting the most vulnerable members of society - the old and the young - whether they be the poor ones in Africa or those who do not deserve to be taken from their families and subjected to horrors that I can not imagine.
With regards to those taken away from their families let's start to stand up strong against these very sick animals.Journalists have a huge part to play in all of this in terms or raising awareness. I hope that from now on we ordinary members of the public get exposed to the amount of children that go missing each year. As a mum of 2 small girls I would not become bored or ' switched off' when hearing about any other cases like poor Madeleine. Without this type of publicity we would all go around being grateful that it isn't happening in our backyard and therefore ignoring it. It needs to be highlighted as the real problem that it is and then perhaps we apathetic bunch may start to use our democratic voice to get something changed in the way that we deal with these evil animals.
The media hype around Madeleine has certainly raised my awareness of what happens in the real world and I think that we owe it to her and the thousands of others suffering to start to get changes made.
At what stage are the good members of society going to demand that enough is enough. We should be protecting the most vulnerable members of society - the old and the young - whether they be the poor ones in Africa or those who do not deserve to be taken from their families and subjected to horrors that I can not imagine.
With regards to those taken away from their families let's start to stand up strong against these very sick animals.Journalists have a huge part to play in all of this in terms or raising awareness. I hope that from now on we ordinary members of the public get exposed to the amount of children that go missing each year. As a mum of 2 small girls I would not become bored or ' switched off' when hearing about any other cases like poor Madeleine. Without this type of publicity we would all go around being grateful that it isn't happening in our backyard and therefore ignoring it. It needs to be highlighted as the real problem that it is and then perhaps we apathetic bunch may start to use our democratic voice to get something changed in the way that we deal with these evil animals.
The media hype around Madeleine has certainly raised my awareness of what happens in the real world and I think that we owe it to her and the thousands of others suffering to start to get changes made.
Posted by: cc, l20 on 12:53am Sun 10 Jun 07
There are still a few questions that need answering from the parents, why did they not use the babysitting service that is on the site? how could they call 100 metres (over 300') close by and remeber it was getting dark by then, and apparently very frequently is every half hour, the german woman journalist was right to ask questions about their involvement, unless of course someone wants to come on here and say that they would leave their children unattended in a foreign country while they went out with friends, this couple are professionals, with professional jobs, are we really to believe they were that stupid and nieve, something is not quite right here, sorry if that offends but take a look at all the facts, especially as some os the not so transparent ones
There are still a few questions that need answering from the parents, why did they not use the babysitting service that is on the site? how could they call 100 metres (over 300') close by and remeber it was getting dark by then, and apparently very frequently is every half hour, the german woman journalist was right to ask questions about their involvement, unless of course someone wants to come on here and say that they would leave their children unattended in a foreign country while they went out with friends, this couple are professionals, with professional jobs, are we really to believe they were that stupid and nieve, something is not quite right here, sorry if that offends but take a look at all the facts, especially as some os the not so transparent ones
Posted by: wee folding bike on 1:08am Sun 10 Jun 07
Mr Bell,
She should have been safe but she was left alone with her siblings while her parents went out to a Tapas bar.
Mr Bell,
She should have been safe but she was left alone with her siblings while her parents went out to a Tapas bar.
Posted by: Cally, Glasgow on 1:45am Sun 10 Jun 07
Yes quite, and in an unlocked room.
Yes quite, and in an unlocked room.
Posted by: Pat on 1:53am Sun 10 Jun 07
Maybe each magazine will consider a one or two page story on a missing child in each issue? That would provide some kind of coverage and a picture so the public will notice if they see the child. Obviously people read the information and try to help if made aware.
Maybe each magazine will consider a one or two page story on a missing child in each issue? That would provide some kind of coverage and a picture so the public will notice if they see the child. Obviously people read the information and try to help if made aware.
Posted by: Gabriel T MacFadden on 2:26am Sun 10 Jun 07
Madeleine is more than a news story, she symbolises the dangers all children face
By Ian Bell
Not mine mate. Nor, I suspect, the children of anyone with their heads not quite so far up their own @rses as you.
This poor child may have been abducted, may be drowned, may be enslaved, may, miraculously, turn up relatively unharmed. What is certain, however, is that she was fearfully neglected by her part-time, al fresco parents.
Dopey Kate 'n' Mouthy Gerry AND all their caring chums failed to discharge the most basic duty of care; the one that we all owe to each other, let alone to the children. If naievity, as this wretched pair blithely call it, excuses such irresponsibility then we should close the courts and abolish the child protection component of social services; this latter seems to have happened already to Leicestershire Social Services.
That pompous, pontificating, self-referential poseurs like Bell have all lost their minds and walk around mouthing John Donne is one thing; in many ways it is only what we expect from the second most-despised trade in the country; for legislature, law enforcement and for child protection agencies to be cowed by a very expensive spin operation is rather more serious.
If we are really concerned about child safety, rather than parent safety from prosecution, then Wee Folding Bike's uncompromising brevity is vastly more responsible than the is tripe from Polly Filla, Glenda Slagg and Ian Bell.
Madeleine is more than a news story, she symbolises the dangers all children face
By Ian Bell
Not mine mate. Nor, I suspect, the children of anyone with their heads not quite so far up their own @rses as you.
This poor child may have been abducted, may be drowned, may be enslaved, may, miraculously, turn up relatively unharmed. What is certain, however, is that she was fearfully neglected by her part-time, al fresco parents.
Dopey Kate 'n' Mouthy Gerry AND all their caring chums failed to discharge the most basic duty of care; the one that we all owe to each other, let alone to the children. If naievity, as this wretched pair blithely call it, excuses such irresponsibility then we should close the courts and abolish the child protection component of social services; this latter seems to have happened already to Leicestershire Social Services.
That pompous, pontificating, self-referential poseurs like Bell have all lost their minds and walk around mouthing John Donne is one thing; in many ways it is only what we expect from the second most-despised trade in the country; for legislature, law enforcement and for child protection agencies to be cowed by a very expensive spin operation is rather more serious.
If we are really concerned about child safety, rather than parent safety from prosecution, then Wee Folding Bike's uncompromising brevity is vastly more responsible than the is tripe from Polly Filla, Glenda Slagg and Ian Bell.
Posted by: Wendyann on 6:20am Sun 10 Jun 07
Could not agree more with Gabriel T, perhaps this publicity is helping to salve the McCann's guilt and providing a smokescreen to deflect attention from their own negligence. Poor Madeleine, she must have wondered why no one was there to protect her. I hope she is found.
Could not agree more with Gabriel T, perhaps this publicity is helping to salve the McCann's guilt and providing a smokescreen to deflect attention from their own negligence. Poor Madeleine, she must have wondered why no one was there to protect her. I hope she is found.
Posted by: Cal, Abroad on 7:57am Sun 10 Jun 07
Well said, Gabriel. This article is typical Bell trash, but he's just self-obsessed. No wonder he can so readily identify with the negligent, irresponsible and arrogant McCains.
They're staying in Portugal indefinitely? I'll bet that's because they know deep-down they'll be hung out to dry when they return to the UK. Are their other two children staying in Portugal too?
This whole sad fiasco is all about the McCains, and not their poor little daughter. I firmly believe they should be prosecuted if British child-neglect (of all three children -- the parents are responsible for all three) legislation applies to UK citizens temporarily overseas. Wonder if THAT'S why they're staying away?
How can any parent LOSE a toddler in such a careless and uncaring way? They will [italic]never[/italic] make that mistake again, will they?
Well said, Gabriel. This article is typical Bell trash, but he's just self-obsessed. No wonder he can so readily identify with the negligent, irresponsible and arrogant McCains.
They're staying in Portugal indefinitely? I'll bet that's because they know deep-down they'll be hung out to dry when they return to the UK. Are their other two children staying in Portugal too?
This whole sad fiasco is all about the McCains, and not their poor little daughter. I firmly believe they should be prosecuted if British child-neglect (of all three children -- the parents are responsible for all three) legislation applies to UK citizens temporarily overseas. Wonder if THAT'S why they're staying away?
How can any parent LOSE a toddler in such a careless and uncaring way? They will
never make that mistake again, will they?
Posted by: Leah, Perth, Australia on 9:14am Sun 10 Jun 07
Quote McCann: "Like sitting in your back garden" & "Even if we'd been in the next room"
Nothing like sitting in your back garden! & If you'd been in the next room the patio door would have been locked AND the 'abductor' would not have been able to observe your HalfHourTrips back and forth to <cough> check on your children.
I wonder how the McCann's can keep a straight face; when now it is now clear to everyone, that they waited until their three babies were a-slumbering before they sneaked out, leaving their dear little trusting children alone night after night after night - behind an open door!
The ultimate betrayal!
Quote McCann: "Like sitting in your back garden" & "Even if we'd been in the next room"
Nothing like sitting in your back garden! & If you'd been in the next room the patio door would have been locked AND the 'abductor' would not have been able to observe your HalfHourTrips back and forth to <cough> check on your children.
I wonder how the McCann's can keep a straight face; when now it is now clear to everyone, that they waited until their three babies were a-slumbering before they sneaked out, leaving their dear little trusting children alone night after night after night - behind an open door!
The ultimate betrayal!
Posted by: Tony on 10:28am Sun 10 Jun 07
I wonder at the motives and the lives of some of these posters. This is not a child who was "lost", she was abducted, stolen. It is not the parents who are criminal, but the people who have stolen the child. Is it just people who can't avoid slagging off folk they think have had more money than themselves, therefore have "had it too easy anyway"? Is there some antipathy because they even got to see the Pope? Whatever the answer, the postings above, many of them, are deeply sick. I would hate to think of any child being in the sanctimonious care of such obviously mean-spirited people as some of those who are posting here.
I wonder at the motives and the lives of some of these posters. This is not a child who was "lost", she was abducted, stolen. It is not the parents who are criminal, but the people who have stolen the child. Is it just people who can't avoid slagging off folk they think have had more money than themselves, therefore have "had it too easy anyway"? Is there some antipathy because they even got to see the Pope? Whatever the answer, the postings above, many of them, are deeply sick. I would hate to think of any child being in the sanctimonious care of such obviously mean-spirited people as some of those who are posting here.
Posted by: S.T., Uk on 10:36am Sun 10 Jun 07
How can you be so cruel and so superior with these comments on neglect and arrogance!! Have some compassion for these poor parents who will NEVER forgive themselves and will NEVER be able to sleep without having nightmares agsin!!! Criticise all you like and just pray that no-one ever steals your child.
How can you be so cruel and so superior with these comments on neglect and arrogance!! Have some compassion for these poor parents who will NEVER forgive themselves and will NEVER be able to sleep without having nightmares agsin!!! Criticise all you like and just pray that no-one ever steals your child.
Posted by: liz Trattles, england on 10:36am Sun 10 Jun 07
What truly awful people there are in the world and not just the abductors but the pious people who have never made a single mistake in their pitiful lives. Lets hope there are many more good ones.
What truly awful people there are in the world and not just the abductors but the pious people who have never made a single mistake in their pitiful lives. Lets hope there are many more good ones.
Posted by: Lord Snooty, Edinburgh Castle on 10:39am Sun 10 Jun 07
There are some real self-righteous prats posting their comments here. Most are spouting their venom about the McCann's and saying it wouldn't happen to their child. Well I hope you're right and never have to eat your own words...
There are some real self-righteous prats posting their comments here. Most are spouting their venom about the McCann's and saying it wouldn't happen to their child. Well I hope you're right and never have to eat your own words...
Posted by: Gerard, Nottingham on 11:04am Sun 10 Jun 07
Thank You Tony ST and Liz for bringing some understanding and compassion to the plight of the McCanns.
The "holier than thou" attitude of previous contribitors surely tells us something about their characters.
Thank You Tony ST and Liz for bringing some understanding and compassion to the plight of the McCanns.
The "holier than thou" attitude of previous contribitors surely tells us something about their characters.
Posted by: Silver star, Northants on 11:08am Sun 10 Jun 07
What a truly terrible world we live in. Is anyone in a position to judge the McCanns? None of you are in receipt of the full facts. Whatever happened to COMPASSION and EMPATHY! Focus your efforts on raising awareness and trying to help find little Madeleine instead of posting cruel and judgemental messages. [bold]But for the grace of God go you![/bold]
What a truly terrible world we live in. Is anyone in a position to judge the McCanns? None of you are in receipt of the full facts. Whatever happened to COMPASSION and EMPATHY! Focus your efforts on raising awareness and trying to help find little Madeleine instead of posting cruel and judgemental messages.
But for the grace of God go you! Posted by: Lisa, Norwich on 11:18am Sun 10 Jun 07
I think however much you tell yourself you would not have left your children in this type of way (which I definitely wouldn't), there is not one single parent who is completeley without some moment they can recollect where their human imperfections momentarily slipped. If you can truthfully say that you don't even recollect one secondary moment, then you are a very unusual and 'perfect' human being aren't you. I am a mother of two, and personally feel terrible about htis whole business, and am trying to help in any way I can, with posters etc. What are YOU doing to help?
I think however much you tell yourself you would not have left your children in this type of way (which I definitely wouldn't), there is not one single parent who is completeley without some moment they can recollect where their human imperfections momentarily slipped. If you can truthfully say that you don't even recollect one secondary moment, then you are a very unusual and 'perfect' human being aren't you. I am a mother of two, and personally feel terrible about htis whole business, and am trying to help in any way I can, with posters etc. What are YOU doing to help?
Posted by: lieveke, holland on 11:28am Sun 10 Jun 07
I want to know about every child that goes missing. I want to hear about it in the News! I want to see their faces on big posters, I want to know what is being done to find them and the people who took them to bring them to justice, to remove them from society. I want to know that our leaders are doing something about these serious issues. I want to hear every parent's voice who have lost a child. I want to have something done about this! And THANK YOU to the McCanns for their strength and determination in doing everything they can for their child and all the children who fall victim to the predators preying on them!
I want to know about every child that goes missing. I want to hear about it in the News! I want to see their faces on big posters, I want to know what is being done to find them and the people who took them to bring them to justice, to remove them from society. I want to know that our leaders are doing something about these serious issues. I want to hear every parent's voice who have lost a child. I want to have something done about this! And THANK YOU to the McCanns for their strength and determination in doing everything they can for their child and all the children who fall victim to the predators preying on them!
Posted by: CJG, Glasgow on 11:32am Sun 10 Jun 07
It might be only natural for parents to respond to fear about their kids with 'blind panic', but it's pretty irresponsible for the media to encourage and capitalise on such unthinking reactions. Over 200 children are killed on Britain's roads every year, while one or two are murdered by strangers. Yet while the right-wing tabloids gnash their teeth over stringing up the latter, they campaign [italic]against[/italic] speed cameras.
The cynical truth is that the McCanns are continuing to occupy column inches, while we can't name a single one of these little road statistics, because Madelain's plight has all the ingredients of a good 'human interest' story. But the obsession with child abduction, and ignoring of road deaths, create a grossly distorted impression of the real threats faced by children.
It might be only natural for parents to respond to fear about their kids with 'blind panic', but it's pretty irresponsible for the media to encourage and capitalise on such unthinking reactions. Over 200 children are killed on Britain's roads every year, while one or two are murdered by strangers. Yet while the right-wing tabloids gnash their teeth over stringing up the latter, they campaign
against speed cameras.
The cynical truth is that the McCanns are continuing to occupy column inches, while we can't name a single one of these little road statistics, because Madelain's plight has all the ingredients of a good 'human interest' story. But the obsession with child abduction, and ignoring of road deaths, create a grossly distorted impression of the real threats faced by children.
Posted by: caring soul, west midlands on 11:38am Sun 10 Jun 07
we all must pray for maddie and hope that she is still alive.The dread the parents must be feeling, is overwhelming, the what ifs , what they could have changed, if the clocks were turned back. Aside from this are thoughts have to be for Maddie, what is going through her mind at this fragile time? I hope she is returned to her family soon. x x
we all must pray for maddie and hope that she is still alive.The dread the parents must be feeling, is overwhelming, the what ifs , what they could have changed, if the clocks were turned back. Aside from this are thoughts have to be for Maddie, what is going through her mind at this fragile time? I hope she is returned to her family soon. x x
Posted by: dee, hanwell on 11:43am Sun 10 Jun 07
to Ian Bell thank you for writing this piece. it feels honest and unbiased. people are very quick to judge others. i do not know the [bold]facts[/bold] of this awful situation but i believe that madeleine with be found and returned to her loving family.
to Ian Bell thank you for writing this piece. it feels honest and unbiased. people are very quick to judge others. i do not know the
facts of this awful situation but i believe that madeleine with be found and returned to her loving family.
Posted by: Julia Huntington, South Africa on 11:44am Sun 10 Jun 07
Having read through the comments of all the armchair critics above I can only say that regardless of what the parents may or may not have done the child is not to blame. I say good luck to the McCanns in their search for Maddie - If it happened to me I would go to the ends of the earth to find my duaghter.The really scary thing is that it could happen to anyone regardless of circumstance.In South Africa hundreds of children go missing every month and most are never found. However, there is a programme on public television which broadcasts pictures of missing children. Perhaps instead of pointing accusing fingers the armchair critics could use their time more constructively by pressuring their local stations to do something similar.
Having read through the comments of all the armchair critics above I can only say that regardless of what the parents may or may not have done the child is not to blame. I say good luck to the McCanns in their search for Maddie - If it happened to me I would go to the ends of the earth to find my duaghter.The really scary thing is that it could happen to anyone regardless of circumstance.In South Africa hundreds of children go missing every month and most are never found. However, there is a programme on public television which broadcasts pictures of missing children. Perhaps instead of pointing accusing fingers the armchair critics could use their time more constructively by pressuring their local stations to do something similar.
Posted by: Jeanette, England on 11:53am Sun 10 Jun 07
[quote][bold]cc[/bold] wrote:
There are still a few questions that need answering from the parents, why did they not use the babysitting service that is on the site? how could they call 100 metres (over 300') close by and remeber it was getting dark by then, and apparently very frequently is every half hour, the german woman journalist was right to ask questions about their involvement, unless of course someone wants to come on here and say that they would leave their children unattended in a foreign country while they went out with friends, this couple are professionals, with professional jobs, are we really to believe they were that stupid and nieve, something is not quite right here, sorry if that offends but take a look at all the facts, especially as some os the not so transparent ones[/quote] Oh for gods sake, whether they left them unattended or not is not the issue, the issue is that in this world there are sick evil people who want to abduct a sweet innocent child from her loving parents, and yes they are loving. I am a parent and I can see how much they love their children. They are living a parents worse nightmare and so is poor madeleinne. I think it is time to stop blaming the parents and start blaming society for keep turning our backs on bad news and accepting that so many of these evil people are allowed to live next door to us, and we aren't even allowed to know who they are. So that we cannot trust anyone with our children. Would you trust a babysitting service in a foreign country. Who says Madeleinne would have been any safer than her parents checking on her every half an hour. The world needs Madeleinne to be returned to her parents, nearly as much as her parents, We need a happy ending for once, to let us know the world really isn't this evil. I for one am praying everyday for that news to hit the headlines.
cc wrote:
There are still a few questions that need answering from the parents, why did they not use the babysitting service that is on the site? how could they call 100 metres (over 300') close by and remeber it was getting dark by then, and apparently very frequently is every half hour, the german woman journalist was right to ask questions about their involvement, unless of course someone wants to come on here and say that they would leave their children unattended in a foreign country while they went out with friends, this couple are professionals, with professional jobs, are we really to believe they were that stupid and nieve, something is not quite right here, sorry if that offends but take a look at all the facts, especially as some os the not so transparent ones
Oh for gods sake, whether they left them unattended or not is not the issue, the issue is that in this world there are sick evil people who want to abduct a sweet innocent child from her loving parents, and yes they are loving. I am a parent and I can see how much they love their children. They are living a parents worse nightmare and so is poor madeleinne. I think it is time to stop blaming the parents and start blaming society for keep turning our backs on bad news and accepting that so many of these evil people are allowed to live next door to us, and we aren't even allowed to know who they are. So that we cannot trust anyone with our children. Would you trust a babysitting service in a foreign country. Who says Madeleinne would have been any safer than her parents checking on her every half an hour. The world needs Madeleinne to be returned to her parents, nearly as much as her parents, We need a happy ending for once, to let us know the world really isn't this evil. I for one am praying everyday for that news to hit the headlines.
Posted by: Kelly on 12:01pm Sun 10 Jun 07
Gabriel hahahah that is an angels name What a nasty cretin you are you deserve to wallow in your own excretement passing from your mouth you filthy animal. jealousy is about money isn`t it? maybe you are lacking in attention too? I wouldn`t trust for any child to be in your company.
Gabriel hahahah that is an angels name What a nasty cretin you are you deserve to wallow in your own excretement passing from your mouth you filthy animal. jealousy is about money isn`t it? maybe you are lacking in attention too? I wouldn`t trust for any child to be in your company.
Posted by: kelly, UK on 12:03pm Sun 10 Jun 07
Gabriel hahahah that is an angels name What a nasty cretin you are you deserve to wallow in your own excretement passing from your mouth you filthy animal. jealousy is about money isn`t it? maybe you are lacking in attention too? I wouldn`t trust for any child to be in your company.
Gabriel hahahah that is an angels name What a nasty cretin you are you deserve to wallow in your own excretement passing from your mouth you filthy animal. jealousy is about money isn`t it? maybe you are lacking in attention too? I wouldn`t trust for any child to be in your company.
Posted by: Nicola, belfast on 12:19pm Sun 10 Jun 07
these 'perfect' parents so keen to criticise condemn and even prosecute the mc cann's, do not even have the insight to observe their own fundamental flaw, a lack of compassion, which has given vent to a frightening self righteousness, they see themselves as so much better than the mc canns they think they have the right to roast these people, yet the are so feeble minded they can't even tell that that would be as useful as pouring petrol on a burning parent...stop this cruelty, this child was stolen, and some day yours could be too, and the cruelty of others can be a nail in a coffin !
history is punctuated by dictators who felt suficiently superior to masacre their contemporaries, this is an evil thought process
their home town is festooned by yellow ribons, and their townspeople wait to comfort them they have nothing to fear fro normal people, thee would be uproar if they were prosecuted for anything
They are focused on finding Madeleine, leave them to it, and go off and find some child abductor to criticise !!
these 'perfect' parents so keen to criticise condemn and even prosecute the mc cann's, do not even have the insight to observe their own fundamental flaw, a lack of compassion, which has given vent to a frightening self righteousness, they see themselves as so much better than the mc canns they think they have the right to roast these people, yet the are so feeble minded they can't even tell that that would be as useful as pouring petrol on a burning parent...stop this cruelty, this child was stolen, and some day yours could be too, and the cruelty of others can be a nail in a coffin !
history is punctuated by dictators who felt suficiently superior to masacre their contemporaries, this is an evil thought process
their home town is festooned by yellow ribons, and their townspeople wait to comfort them they have nothing to fear fro normal people, thee would be uproar if they were prosecuted for anything
They are focused on finding Madeleine, leave them to it, and go off and find some child abductor to criticise !!
Posted by: Ann, Glasgow on 12:22pm Sun 10 Jun 07
Kelly such sentiments are really not appropriate here. I don't think that people who are critical of the McCann's don't care about maddie or about her safe return. Three children were left alone and vulnerable and all parents have a duty of care. The McCann's will have to live with this for the rest of their lives - their pain is clear for us all to see.
Kelly such sentiments are really not appropriate here. I don't think that people who are critical of the McCann's don't care about maddie or about her safe return. Three children were left alone and vulnerable and all parents have a duty of care. The McCann's will have to live with this for the rest of their lives - their pain is clear for us all to see.
Posted by: CJG, Glasgow on 12:28pm Sun 10 Jun 07
Jeanette, the world is neither good nor evil. It's complex. Sometimes terrible, horrible things happen to decent people for no obvious reason. Sometimes people can be really surprisingly wonderful. I too hope that Madelaine McCann is found alive & well, but even if she is, hundreds of thousands of children will still go cold and hungry and frightened tonight. It's pretty blinkered & self-indulgent of British people to imbue this one case with so much significance.
Oh, and ... sorry, but a god worth having wouldn't need you to beg for the lives of children.
Jeanette, the world is neither good nor evil. It's complex. Sometimes terrible, horrible things happen to decent people for no obvious reason. Sometimes people can be really surprisingly wonderful. I too hope that Madelaine McCann is found alive & well, but even if she is, hundreds of thousands of children will still go cold and hungry and frightened tonight. It's pretty blinkered & self-indulgent of British people to imbue this one case with so much significance.
Oh, and ... sorry, but a god worth having wouldn't need you to beg for the lives of children.
Posted by: Lisa, Norwich on 12:39pm Sun 10 Jun 07
Let us all unite as parents and let these scary predators who snatch children realise what a strong army they are up against. They make me so angry, how dare they even think of stealing people, little innocent people. What
can we do to rid the world of this evil? We can show them that together we are strong, the Mcanns are doing this very well, I hope she is home soon.
Let us all unite as parents and let these scary predators who snatch children realise what a strong army they are up against. They make me so angry, how dare they even think of stealing people, little innocent people. What
can we do to rid the world of this evil? We can show them that together we are strong, the Mcanns are doing this very well, I hope she is home soon.
Posted by: Arch angel, Around on 1:05pm Sun 10 Jun 07
[quote][bold]kelly[/bold] wrote:
Gabriel hahahah that is an angels name What a nasty cretin you are you deserve to wallow in your own excretement passing from your mouth you filthy animal. jealousy is about money isn`t it? maybe you are lacking in attention too? I wouldn`t trust for any child to be in your company.[/quote] What a kind, sympathetic, caring creature you are Kelly. You don't want a child to be in Gabriel's company? Reading the venomous filth you are spouting, it is highly probable you don't have much company yourself. Calm down. Take a powder, or just pfff...go away.
kelly wrote:
Gabriel hahahah that is an angels name What a nasty cretin you are you deserve to wallow in your own excretement passing from your mouth you filthy animal. jealousy is about money isn`t it? maybe you are lacking in attention too? I wouldn`t trust for any child to be in your company.
What a kind, sympathetic, caring creature you are Kelly. You don't want a child to be in Gabriel's company? Reading the venomous filth you are spouting, it is highly probable you don't have much company yourself. Calm down. Take a powder, or just pfff...go away.
Posted by: mike griffiths, wrexham on 1:14pm Sun 10 Jun 07
the mccann,s might have made a bad call leaving their children alone. but they will have to live with that for the rest of their lives, whether madeleine is found or not.everyone should be behind them now,and give every support to them,in order to retrieve madeleine from the hell she,s in.
the mccann,s might have made a bad call leaving their children alone. but they will have to live with that for the rest of their lives, whether madeleine is found or not.everyone should be behind them now,and give every support to them,in order to retrieve madeleine from the hell she,s in.
Posted by: Cathie Hunt, Ontario, Canada on 1:20pm Sun 10 Jun 07
I have been watching this story because I agree with Ian Bell, Maddie's plight is representative of a parent's worst nightmare. It's happened to me, as others, when a child goes missing for a few minutes in a store. You go mad. You can't believe that the ride is over! As parents, we have to remember that our children are our most valuable resource, no amount of money can replace them. I realize that child abductions represent a small percentage of childhood dangers, but it is a reality that no one wants to endure. How can we protect our children 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year? We can't. It's the honest truth. Should we put GPS tracking devices into our children? Should we become a society that sacrifices freedom by having everyone watched through survellience and listening devices such as laser microphones? At times, I say yes. Sacrifice my freedom if it will save the anguish of a missing child. The only reason a child is abducted is because the perpetrator thinks they can get away with it. This isn't just about child abduction any longer, it's also about security. We should live in a free society, but the predators are reveling in it.
I have been watching this story because I agree with Ian Bell, Maddie's plight is representative of a parent's worst nightmare. It's happened to me, as others, when a child goes missing for a few minutes in a store. You go mad. You can't believe that the ride is over! As parents, we have to remember that our children are our most valuable resource, no amount of money can replace them. I realize that child abductions represent a small percentage of childhood dangers, but it is a reality that no one wants to endure. How can we protect our children 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year? We can't. It's the honest truth. Should we put GPS tracking devices into our children? Should we become a society that sacrifices freedom by having everyone watched through survellience and listening devices such as laser microphones? At times, I say yes. Sacrifice my freedom if it will save the anguish of a missing child. The only reason a child is abducted is because the perpetrator thinks they can get away with it. This isn't just about child abduction any longer, it's also about security. We should live in a free society, but the predators are reveling in it.
Posted by: kerry, newcastle uk on 1:21pm Sun 10 Jun 07
[quote][bold]Cal[/bold] wrote:
Well said, Gabriel. This article is typical Bell trash, but he's just self-obsessed. No wonder he can so readily identify with the negligent, irresponsible and arrogant McCains.
They're staying in Portugal indefinitely? I'll bet that's because they know deep-down they'll be hung out to dry when they return to the UK. Are their other two children staying in Portugal too?
This whole sad fiasco is all about the McCains, and not their poor little daughter. I firmly believe they should be prosecuted if British child-neglect (of all three children -- the parents are responsible for all three) legislation applies to UK citizens temporarily overseas. Wonder if THAT'S why they're staying away?
How can any parent LOSE a toddler in such a careless and uncaring way? They will [italic]never[/italic] make that mistake again, will they?[/quote] At the end of the day i do admit the mccanns were in the wrong leaving there children alone, but people keep banging on about hanging them out to dry and hoping that they get prossecuted for it, but doesn't anyone believe that they have already paid for there actions, GOD people think about it there 3year old child got taking away and they might never see her again i think if it were me THAT would be the biggest punishment in the world its something they have to live with for the rest of there lives, its the worst pain in the world i can imagine so. so why dont people forget on what they did and concentrate on finding her and praying for the mccanns.[bold]bold[/bold]
Cal wrote:
Well said, Gabriel. This article is typical Bell trash, but he's just self-obsessed. No wonder he can so readily identify with the negligent, irresponsible and arrogant McCains.
They're staying in Portugal indefinitely? I'll bet that's because they know deep-down they'll be hung out to dry when they return to the UK. Are their other two children staying in Portugal too?
This whole sad fiasco is all about the McCains, and not their poor little daughter. I firmly believe they should be prosecuted if British child-neglect (of all three children -- the parents are responsible for all three) legislation applies to UK citizens temporarily overseas. Wonder if THAT'S why they're staying away?
How can any parent LOSE a toddler in such a careless and uncaring way? They will never make that mistake again, will they?
At the end of the day i do admit the mccanns were in the wrong leaving there children alone, but people keep banging on about hanging them out to dry and hoping that they get prossecuted for it, but doesn't anyone believe that they have already paid for there actions, GOD people think about it there 3year old child got taking away and they might never see her again i think if it were me THAT would be the biggest punishment in the world its something they have to live with for the rest of there lives, its the worst pain in the world i can imagine so. so why dont people forget on what they did and concentrate on finding her and praying for the mccanns.
Posted by: Valerie, Victoria BC on 1:56pm Sun 10 Jun 07
[quote][bold]cc[/bold] wrote:
There are still a few questions that need answering from the parents, why did they not use the babysitting service that is on the site? how could they call 100 metres (over 300\') close by and remeber it was getting dark by then, and apparently very frequently is every half hour, the german woman journalist was right to ask questions about their involvement, unless of course someone wants to come on here and say that they would leave their children unattended in a foreign country while they went out with friends, this couple are professionals, with professional jobs, are we really to believe they were that stupid and nieve, something is not quite right here, sorry if that offends but take a look at all the facts, especially as some os the not so transparent ones[/quote] It is rediculous to think Madeleine's parents had anything to do with her abduction. they made a poor choice - but they didn't think in their wildest dreams this would ever happen. Who would? In a world so often precieved as dangerous, it's nice to meet people who actually still trust, and it is a real shame that trust has now been broken. Parents know their children, and thier sleeping patterns. These are doctors, who knew their children would be safely and soundly sleeping. If it weren't for the sicko who took her, she would still be with her family today.
Perhaps the resort should think to offer child care in the suites, and not at a place you have to bring your children too. Tucking your kids into their own little beds for the night is much more ideal then packing them up to bring them elsewhere to sleep, and then picking them up later in the middle of their sleep. The world has become a very sad place when we can't trust our instincts as parents anymore!
cc wrote:
There are still a few questions that need answering from the parents, why did they not use the babysitting service that is on the site? how could they call 100 metres (over 300\') close by and remeber it was getting dark by then, and apparently very frequently is every half hour, the german woman journalist was right to ask questions about their involvement, unless of course someone wants to come on here and say that they would leave their children unattended in a foreign country while they went out with friends, this couple are professionals, with professional jobs, are we really to believe they were that stupid and nieve, something is not quite right here, sorry if that offends but take a look at all the facts, especially as some os the not so transparent ones
It is rediculous to think Madeleine's parents had anything to do with her abduction. they made a poor choice - but they didn't think in their wildest dreams this would ever happen. Who would? In a world so often precieved as dangerous, it's nice to meet people who actually still trust, and it is a real shame that trust has now been broken. Parents know their children, and thier sleeping patterns. These are doctors, who knew their children would be safely and soundly sleeping. If it weren't for the sicko who took her, she would still be with her family today.
Perhaps the resort should think to offer child care in the suites, and not at a place you have to bring your children too. Tucking your kids into their own little beds for the night is much more ideal then packing them up to bring them elsewhere to sleep, and then picking them up later in the middle of their sleep. The world has become a very sad place when we can't trust our instincts as parents anymore!
Posted by: Sue, belgium on 2:12pm Sun 10 Jun 07
When I lost one of my sons for two hours in a market (he was 2.5 years old) it was absolute blind panic. People were wonderful and helped us find him. However, one woman said "you should have held his hand at all times"! Well yes we knew that, always careful parents, I looked away for a second but he was standing next to my husband, and then, he was gone. So for what reason do those self righteous lot attack the McCaans? To punish them? Please - nothing can make them feel worse than they do now. I hope and pray every minute that she will be returned, and give us all a little bit of hope in humanity. There but for the grace of God go I and all of you.
When I lost one of my sons for two hours in a market (he was 2.5 years old) it was absolute blind panic. People were wonderful and helped us find him. However, one woman said "you should have held his hand at all times"! Well yes we knew that, always careful parents, I looked away for a second but he was standing next to my husband, and then, he was gone. So for what reason do those self righteous lot attack the McCaans? To punish them? Please - nothing can make them feel worse than they do now. I hope and pray every minute that she will be returned, and give us all a little bit of hope in humanity. There but for the grace of God go I and all of you.
Posted by: A PRODUCT OF, The Good Earth on 2:19pm Sun 10 Jun 07
[quote][bold]Gabriel T MacFadden[/bold] wrote:
Madeleine is more than a news story, she symbolises the dangers all children face By Ian Bell Not mine mate. Nor, I suspect, the children of anyone with their heads not quite so far up their own @rses as you. This poor child may have been abducted, may be drowned, may be enslaved, may, miraculously, turn up relatively unharmed. What is certain, however, is that she was fearfully neglected by her part-time, al fresco parents. Dopey Kate 'n' Mouthy Gerry AND all their caring chums failed to discharge the most basic duty of care; the one that we all owe to each other, let alone to the children. If naievity, as this wretched pair blithely call it, excuses such irresponsibility then we should close the courts and abolish the child protection component of social services; this latter seems to have happened already to Leicestershire Social Services. That pompous, pontificating, self-referential poseurs like Bell have all lost their minds and walk around mouthing John Donne is one thing; in many ways it is only what we expect from the second most-despised trade in the country; for legislature, law enforcement and for child protection agencies to be cowed by a very expensive spin operation is rather more serious. If we are really concerned about child safety, rather than parent safety from prosecution, then Wee Folding Bike's uncompromising brevity is vastly more responsible than the is tripe from Polly Filla, Glenda Slagg and Ian Bell. [/quote] A totally shameful inhumane and ill-informed article...you are a very sad person indeed
Gabriel T MacFadden wrote:
Madeleine is more than a news story, she symbolises the dangers all children face By Ian Bell Not mine mate. Nor, I suspect, the children of anyone with their heads not quite so far up their own @rses as you. This poor child may have been abducted, may be drowned, may be enslaved, may, miraculously, turn up relatively unharmed. What is certain, however, is that she was fearfully neglected by her part-time, al fresco parents. Dopey Kate 'n' Mouthy Gerry AND all their caring chums failed to discharge the most basic duty of care; the one that we all owe to each other, let alone to the children. If naievity, as this wretched pair blithely call it, excuses such irresponsibility then we should close the courts and abolish the child protection component of social services; this latter seems to have happened already to Leicestershire Social Services. That pompous, pontificating, self-referential poseurs like Bell have all lost their minds and walk around mouthing John Donne is one thing; in many ways it is only what we expect from the second most-despised trade in the country; for legislature, law enforcement and for child protection agencies to be cowed by a very expensive spin operation is rather more serious. If we are really concerned about child safety, rather than parent safety from prosecution, then Wee Folding Bike's uncompromising brevity is vastly more responsible than the is tripe from Polly Filla, Glenda Slagg and Ian Bell.
A totally shameful inhumane and ill-informed article...you are a very sad person indeed
Posted by: Isa, Paris, France on 2:36pm Sun 10 Jun 07
There is NO reason to blame the parents. There's a lot of reason to blame the Portuguese country/state (and all these other countries also) which don't make laws stricter. Where are we living if even we can't let sleeping children for a little while alone? So if we would follow this unjust way to think that the parents of Madeleine were irresponsable: all parents should even take the children next to them at night because snatching a child while the parents are sleeping next door already has happened. Also it has already happened that a child was snatched out of hospital to get raped. So parents shouldn't take children to hospital anymore? NO! The problem here is not the parents but the state(s) and the society which is too indifferent to this sad subject "child abduction and the consequences".
I 'm very, very sad what has happened to Madeleine (who represents to me all the other children who went missing). I wish all the best to her and her parents! Hopefully she'll be soon returned too her family!
There is NO reason to blame the parents. There's a lot of reason to blame the Portuguese country/state (and all these other countries also) which don't make laws stricter. Where are we living if even we can't let sleeping children for a little while alone? So if we would follow this unjust way to think that the parents of Madeleine were irresponsable: all parents should even take the children next to them at night because snatching a child while the parents are sleeping next door already has happened. Also it has already happened that a child was snatched out of hospital to get raped. So parents shouldn't take children to hospital anymore? NO! The problem here is not the parents but the state(s) and the society which is too indifferent to this sad subject "child abduction and the consequences".
I 'm very, very sad what has happened to Madeleine (who represents to me all the other children who went missing). I wish all the best to her and her parents! Hopefully she'll be soon returned too her family!
Posted by: Julie, London on 2:40pm Sun 10 Jun 07
I'm horrified at the comments aimed at the McCanns. I can't imagine, and certainly don't want to, what they are going through. There isn't a parent out there who hasn't lost sight of their child at some point. We don't have all the facts.
Lets concentrate on the most important thing [bold]bold[/bold] finding Madeleine
I'm horrified at the comments aimed at the McCanns. I can't imagine, and certainly don't want to, what they are going through. There isn't a parent out there who hasn't lost sight of their child at some point. We don't have all the facts.
Lets concentrate on the most important thing finding Madeleine
Posted by: Isa, Paris, France on 2:42pm Sun 10 Jun 07
Sorry, I've forgotten to write this: in the 1st place the abductor is to blame. State and this society follow.
"Using the baby sitter service": the baby sitter service consists very often in the same way what the parents had done: checking the room every 30 minutes. So what would that change?
Sorry, I've forgotten to write this: in the 1st place the abductor is to blame. State and this society follow.
"Using the baby sitter service": the baby sitter service consists very often in the same way what the parents had done: checking the room every 30 minutes. So what would that change?
Posted by: Katherine, UK on 2:58pm Sun 10 Jun 07
[bold]"Where are we living if even we can't let sleeping children for a little while alone?"[/bold]
Lets see, young children wake up in the night sick, thirsty, frightened by a dream...any of these things can happen a minute after checking them. Usually you will hear them as you are close, or you will hear the baby monitor...If Madeleines parents feel that sitting in a restaurant, too far away to hear their child choking or screaming, then I wonder whether they are fit parents. If a single mum went accross the road to the pub, leaving their sleeping children in the house she would no doubt have social services threatening to take her kids into care.
"Where are we living if even we can't let sleeping children for a little while alone?"
Lets see, young children wake up in the night sick, thirsty, frightened by a dream...any of these things can happen a minute after checking them. Usually you will hear them as you are close, or you will hear the baby monitor...If Madeleines parents feel that sitting in a restaurant, too far away to hear their child choking or screaming, then I wonder whether they are fit parents. If a single mum went accross the road to the pub, leaving their sleeping children in the house she would no doubt have social services threatening to take her kids into care.
Posted by: Joanna, Boston, MA, USA on 3:00pm Sun 10 Jun 07
I welcome Bell's well-written article that captures perfectly what's been on many of our minds this past month. Why not spare the
heartbroken parents further mudslinging and channel that energy toward anything postive on behalf of Madeleine and all the other children stolen every hour. To cast stones strikes me as the biggest
waste of time, besides being mean-spirited beyond words.
I welcome Bell's well-written article that captures perfectly what's been on many of our minds this past month. Why not spare the
heartbroken parents further mudslinging and channel that energy toward anything postive on behalf of Madeleine and all the other children stolen every hour. To cast stones strikes me as the biggest
waste of time, besides being mean-spirited beyond words.
Posted by: Heather, Maryland, USA on 3:06pm Sun 10 Jun 07
How many of these people are spending all their time blaming Madeline's parents just so they don't have to acknowledge that yes, the same thing could happen to any of their children, too? Nobody is perfect, and please excuse the cliche, but hindsight is 20-20.
How many of these people are spending all their time blaming Madeline's parents just so they don't have to acknowledge that yes, the same thing could happen to any of their children, too? Nobody is perfect, and please excuse the cliche, but hindsight is 20-20.
Posted by: Jayne on 3:06pm Sun 10 Jun 07
[quote][bold]Gabriel T MacFadden[/bold] wrote:
Madeleine is more than a news story, she symbolises the dangers all children face By Ian Bell Not mine mate. Nor, I suspect, the children of anyone with their heads not quite so far up their own @rses as you. This poor child may have been abducted, may be drowned, may be enslaved, may, miraculously, turn up relatively unharmed. What is certain, however, is that she was fearfully neglected by her part-time, al fresco parents. Dopey Kate \'n\' Mouthy Gerry AND all their caring chums failed to discharge the most basic duty of care; the one that we all owe to each other, let alone to the children. If naievity, as this wretched pair blithely call it, excuses such irresponsibility then we should close the courts and abolish the child protection component of social services; this latter seems to have happened already to Leicestershire Social Services. That pompous, pontificating, self-referential poseurs like Bell have all lost their minds and walk around mouthing John Donne is one thing; in many ways it is only what we expect from the second most-despised trade in the country; for legislature, law enforcement and for child protection agencies to be cowed by a very expensive spin operation is rather more serious. If we are really concerned about child safety, rather than parent safety from prosecution, then Wee Folding Bike\'s uncompromising brevity is vastly more responsible than the is tripe from Polly Filla, Glenda Slagg and Ian Bell. [/quote] Gabriel what nasty little cow you are
Gabriel T MacFadden wrote:
Madeleine is more than a news story, she symbolises the dangers all children face By Ian Bell Not mine mate. Nor, I suspect, the children of anyone with their heads not quite so far up their own @rses as you. This poor child may have been abducted, may be drowned, may be enslaved, may, miraculously, turn up relatively unharmed. What is certain, however, is that she was fearfully neglected by her part-time, al fresco parents. Dopey Kate \'n\' Mouthy Gerry AND all their caring chums failed to discharge the most basic duty of care; the one that we all owe to each other, let alone to the children. If naievity, as this wretched pair blithely call it, excuses such irresponsibility then we should close the courts and abolish the child protection component of social services; this latter seems to have happened already to Leicestershire Social Services. That pompous, pontificating, self-referential poseurs like Bell have all lost their minds and walk around mouthing John Donne is one thing; in many ways it is only what we expect from the second most-despised trade in the country; for legislature, law enforcement and for child protection agencies to be cowed by a very expensive spin operation is rather more serious. If we are really concerned about child safety, rather than parent safety from prosecution, then Wee Folding Bike\'s uncompromising brevity is vastly more responsible than the is tripe from Polly Filla, Glenda Slagg and Ian Bell.
Gabriel what nasty little cow you are
Posted by: hayley jones, wrexham, north wales, u.k on 3:12pm Sun 10 Jun 07
i would like to take this time to thank the media in the ongoing storys for maddy, and also opening peoples eyes to what world we live in, the media has certainly outdone themselfs in assisting in the searh for this little angel, and i think they will play a huge part in finding her, as there is noone better at finding out what people want to know, i think by keeping her in the papers will force the portugese police to do more, also can i make an appeal to anyone in portugal to stand outside the airport with pictures pf maddy as im in u.k or i would do it myself, anything to bring maddy home
i would like to take this time to thank the media in the ongoing storys for maddy, and also opening peoples eyes to what world we live in, the media has certainly outdone themselfs in assisting in the searh for this little angel, and i think they will play a huge part in finding her, as there is noone better at finding out what people want to know, i think by keeping her in the papers will force the portugese police to do more, also can i make an appeal to anyone in portugal to stand outside the airport with pictures pf maddy as im in u.k or i would do it myself, anything to bring maddy home
Posted by: Isa, Paris, France on 3:17pm Sun 10 Jun 07
Some children wake up at night - others not. My kid (3 years and 3 months) doesn't wake up since almost 9 months. I don't know the rhytm of sleeping of the McCann kids. Of course if one of the kids would wake up and would have needed something that would be cruel not to satisfy its demand.
But from there blaming the parents in the contexte of the abduction it's not right. I think this way to think is too short. Perhaps it is because some people feel so helpless that they need somebody too blame because that makes also feeling more secure. But the 1st person who is too blame is the abductor(s) then the countries (with their silly laws) and then this undifferent society. That's my opinion.
Some children wake up at night - others not. My kid (3 years and 3 months) doesn't wake up since almost 9 months. I don't know the rhytm of sleeping of the McCann kids. Of course if one of the kids would wake up and would have needed something that would be cruel not to satisfy its demand.
But from there blaming the parents in the contexte of the abduction it's not right. I think this way to think is too short. Perhaps it is because some people feel so helpless that they need somebody too blame because that makes also feeling more secure. But the 1st person who is too blame is the abductor(s) then the countries (with their silly laws) and then this undifferent society. That's my opinion.
Posted by: rOwen, UK on 3:45pm Sun 10 Jun 07
I find some comments of people very strange. The McCanns did not do anything wrong in leaving their children, they were 50 yds away. It is the evil people who snatched that safe, loved child. Any child should be safe left alone when the parents are eating. We should take the spotlight of these poor suffering parents and find these evil child abductors/abusers. Punishments should be firmer for any adult taking/abusing children. Children should be able to sleep safely where their parents left them. The mcCanns are clearly dedicated kind people . They are professionals who have clearly dedicated their lives to their children and to medicine providing support and care to those in need. Lets make sure there is a abductors/Sex Offenders Register in every land. Lets make this world just and focus the attention of those who commit crimes and cause misery not make good people appear the wrong doers.
I find some comments of people very strange. The McCanns did not do anything wrong in leaving their children, they were 50 yds away. It is the evil people who snatched that safe, loved child. Any child should be safe left alone when the parents are eating. We should take the spotlight of these poor suffering parents and find these evil child abductors/abusers. Punishments should be firmer for any adult taking/abusing children. Children should be able to sleep safely where their parents left them. The mcCanns are clearly dedicated kind people . They are professionals who have clearly dedicated their lives to their children and to medicine providing support and care to those in need. Lets make sure there is a abductors/Sex Offenders Register in every land. Lets make this world just and focus the attention of those who commit crimes and cause misery not make good people appear the wrong doers.
Posted by: Arch angel, Around on 4:07pm Sun 10 Jun 07
It's been said before. I'll say it again. One person writing under many pseudonyms. Spelling...punctuati
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IT'S THE BORG!
It's been said before. I'll say it again. One person writing under many pseudonyms. Spelling...punctuati
on...grammar...lack of capitals at certain times...comma instead of apostrophe etc..SAME errors cropping up.
IT'S THE BORG!
Posted by: France, Canada on 5:11pm Sun 10 Jun 07
[bold]Dear God[/bold] , PLEASE bring Madeleine and other children, home. Guide their safe return. [bold]This my plea to You[/bold] .
http://ca.missingkid
s.com/
Dear God , PLEASE bring Madeleine and other children, home. Guide their safe return.
This my plea to You .
http://ca.missingkid
s.com/
Posted by: Ailsa, Dunfermline on 5:49pm Sun 10 Jun 07
I wouldn't have left my child in that way, but we should not forget that whoever abducted Madeleine is the real villain in this case. However, I do feel that if a single parent, or "lower class" family had suffered the same fate, they would have been prosecuted, or at best vilified by the media.
I wouldn't have left my child in that way, but we should not forget that whoever abducted Madeleine is the real villain in this case. However, I do feel that if a single parent, or "lower class" family had suffered the same fate, they would have been prosecuted, or at best vilified by the media.
Posted by: Deanna, United States on 5:49pm Sun 10 Jun 07
Why should one more person ask what the McCanns were thinking when they left their children unwatched? That was a mistake, obviously--one for which they have paid, already, an unspeakable price. The past can not be altered; could that happen, we can be sure that Gerry and Kate McCann would do just that. Show support; help them--and those who are in similar situations-- to retain hope. My friend's sister disappeared nearly five years ago. I check Maddie's website every day--because a happy ending there would give me a boost in the hope department. --Not for Michelle to return, as the evidence found left the possibility of her being alive to be very slim, but for other people like her. Here, in the U.S., several children were recently reunited with their families. One had been missing for 12 years. Whoever took this child--because of the campaign--can see how very much she is loved. It is easy for abductors to ignore that in most cases. But as a human being, the efforts which the McCanns have put forth should make it far more difficult for Madeleine's captor to cause her harm. It has been a media frenzy--I am across the ocean, here. But perhaps in time, when the dust has settled, the culprits will find a way to get her back home.
Why should one more person ask what the McCanns were thinking when they left their children unwatched? That was a mistake, obviously--one for which they have paid, already, an unspeakable price. The past can not be altered; could that happen, we can be sure that Gerry and Kate McCann would do just that. Show support; help them--and those who are in similar situations-- to retain hope. My friend's sister disappeared nearly five years ago. I check Maddie's website every day--because a happy ending there would give me a boost in the hope department. --Not for Michelle to return, as the evidence found left the possibility of her being alive to be very slim, but for other people like her. Here, in the U.S., several children were recently reunited with their families. One had been missing for 12 years. Whoever took this child--because of the campaign--can see how very much she is loved. It is easy for abductors to ignore that in most cases. But as a human being, the efforts which the McCanns have put forth should make it far more difficult for Madeleine's captor to cause her harm. It has been a media frenzy--I am across the ocean, here. But perhaps in time, when the dust has settled, the culprits will find a way to get her back home.
Posted by: anne douglas on 5:50pm Sun 10 Jun 07
i cant believe some of these comments these are good parents they made a mistake they will live with this for the rest of their lives they need peoples support not these awful comments we have all at sometime been guilty of not doing the proper things atr times i am so hoping for a succesfull outcome my thoughts are with you
i cant believe some of these comments these are good parents they made a mistake they will live with this for the rest of their lives they need peoples support not these awful comments we have all at sometime been guilty of not doing the proper things atr times i am so hoping for a succesfull outcome my thoughts are with you
Posted by: lincy, Belgium on 5:59pm Sun 10 Jun 07
There will always be people that judge others, but the first thing they should do is look at themselves before they judge. The people who judge others are infact the worst!!!!!! To the Mc Cann Family be strong and believe
There will always be people that judge others, but the first thing they should do is look at themselves before they judge. The people who judge others are infact the worst!!!!!! To the Mc Cann Family be strong and believe
Posted by: Andrea, Toronto Canada on 5:59pm Sun 10 Jun 07
Some people just don't get it. Go away and voice your idiotic comments to a brick wall. McCanns have been brilliant every step of the way - which is a lot more than I can say about your intelligence.
Some people just don't get it. Go away and voice your idiotic comments to a brick wall. McCanns have been brilliant every step of the way - which is a lot more than I can say about your intelligence.
Posted by: Kirsten, Edinburgh on 6:23pm Sun 10 Jun 07
[quote][bold]Andrea[/bold] wrote:
Some people just don't get it. Go away and voice your idiotic comments to a brick wall. McCanns have been brilliant every step of the way - which is a lot more than I can say about your intelligence. [/quote] I don't see anything much wrong in most of the previous posts. People have a right to their opinion - refusing to acknowledge another's point of view is what shows a lack of intelligence. I don't think anyone thinks Madeleine shouldn't be found and of course her parents are suffering terribly and will have to live with their chosen actions for the rest of their lives. It's common for people on holiday to leave children in their rooms. But if you asked the same people if they would do it at home, I think the answer would be no. So maybe in future more people will give this more thought. And of course Madeleine should not have been taken.
Andrea wrote:
Some people just don't get it. Go away and voice your idiotic comments to a brick wall. McCanns have been brilliant every step of the way - which is a lot more than I can say about your intelligence.
I don't see anything much wrong in most of the previous posts. People have a right to their opinion - refusing to acknowledge another's point of view is what shows a lack of intelligence. I don't think anyone thinks Madeleine shouldn't be found and of course her parents are suffering terribly and will have to live with their chosen actions for the rest of their lives. It's common for people on holiday to leave children in their rooms. But if you asked the same people if they would do it at home, I think the answer would be no. So maybe in future more people will give this more thought. And of course Madeleine should not have been taken.
Posted by: alice, plymouth england on 6:29pm Sun 10 Jun 07
i read this blog - i grieve for the lost of the world. the ones who die in famine, floods, sickness and accident.
the sadest thing is - gerry and kate mccann do not know what happened to their little girl.
reports of this that and the other dont help - a moment of hope and then dawning realisation that they are only reports - real, imagined, hoax.
the world may say madeleine is another statistic and shake its head in shame but to her parents she is not a statistic she is their baby girl. it is the not knowing.
people criticise the parents for leaving their children - why? it is like she was abandoned they were yards away from her and their other children. they were, they imagined in a very safe environment - i think this proves there are no safe environments.
some people are saying things like "they shouldnt have left them". well as gerry mccann said it was akin to being in your own garden and the house in close proximaty. instead of criticising them support them - nobody has a right to go into anyone's home (be it permanent or temporary) and take something that doesnt belong to them and that includes taking a child.
just because a child doesnt have a body guard standing of him or her 24 hours a day doesnt mean somebody has a right to kidnap them.
i hope madeleine is found safe, well and comes home.
keep praying, keep hoping, and may it be that while weeping may endure for the night - joy will come in the morning.
keep on going for madeleine's sake and for all the other children who have vanished. stop the trade in child exploitation.
i read this blog - i grieve for the lost of the world. the ones who die in famine, floods, sickness and accident.
the sadest thing is - gerry and kate mccann do not know what happened to their little girl.
reports of this that and the other dont help - a moment of hope and then dawning realisation that they are only reports - real, imagined, hoax.
the world may say madeleine is another statistic and shake its head in shame but to her parents she is not a statistic she is their baby girl. it is the not knowing.
people criticise the parents for leaving their children - why? it is like she was abandoned they were yards away from her and their other children. they were, they imagined in a very safe environment - i think this proves there are no safe environments.
some people are saying things like "they shouldnt have left them". well as gerry mccann said it was akin to being in your own garden and the house in close proximaty. instead of criticising them support them - nobody has a right to go into anyone's home (be it permanent or temporary) and take something that doesnt belong to them and that includes taking a child.
just because a child doesnt have a body guard standing of him or her 24 hours a day doesnt mean somebody has a right to kidnap them.
i hope madeleine is found safe, well and comes home.
keep praying, keep hoping, and may it be that while weeping may endure for the night - joy will come in the morning.
keep on going for madeleine's sake and for all the other children who have vanished. stop the trade in child exploitation.
Posted by: dinny bates, USA on 6:42pm Sun 10 Jun 07
The parents should have used better judgement about leaving the children alone. The potugese ploice should have definitly done a house to house search in the hours that followed Maddie's abduction, and last but not least...the monster who did this act of evil should do the right thing now and return her to her family. If he can hide this well with no clues before he took her, he can surely find a way to hid from the police as well after he's returned her somehow to her parents.
Dinny Bates USA[quote]quote[/quote]
The parents should have used better judgement about leaving the children alone. The potugese ploice should have definitly done a house to house search in the hours that followed Maddie's abduction, and last but not least...the monster who did this act of evil should do the right thing now and return her to her family. If he can hide this well with no clues before he took her, he can surely find a way to hid from the police as well after he's returned her somehow to her parents.
Dinny Bates USA
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Posted by: ILM, Bristol, UK on 6:56pm Sun 10 Jun 07
As many have said before and will continue to do so - what has happened has happened and no amount of debate as to the right or wrong of the parents behaviour is going to help find Madeleine. However, if any of you really wanted to see an end to the debate, direct your energy and resources into raising the profile of all missing children, and you can start by helping to raise the profile of Madeleine. It's always easier to reflect after an event than when you are actually living the nightmare, as the parents are. If any of you are really serious in helping please contact "helpingtofindmadele
ine@hotmail.co.uk".H
owever if all you are going to do is be negative then don't waste your time. A lot of people from all walks of life and all countries are helping in any way they can to raise the profile of both the little Spanish boy and Madeleine.
As many have said before and will continue to do so - what has happened has happened and no amount of debate as to the right or wrong of the parents behaviour is going to help find Madeleine. However, if any of you really wanted to see an end to the debate, direct your energy and resources into raising the profile of all missing children, and you can start by helping to raise the profile of Madeleine. It's always easier to reflect after an event than when you are actually living the nightmare, as the parents are. If any of you are really serious in helping please contact "helpingtofindmadele
ine@hotmail.co.uk".H
owever if all you are going to do is be negative then don't waste your time. A lot of people from all walks of life and all countries are helping in any way they can to raise the profile of both the little Spanish boy and Madeleine.
Posted by: Sarah Nelson, East Sussex on 7:05pm Sun 10 Jun 07
I have read a mixture of comments and feel compelled to add my two penny worth!
while i do feel for kate and gerry and as one human being to another genuinely feel for them i cant help but ask what they were thinking to! i like so many others dont agree that what they did in leaving their children unattended was right and as others have said realise that they will never be able to forgive themselves but when all is said and done i have been a single parent and critised and questioned about things which have not such a harmful outcome on my children yet here are two professional comfortably off people who could have afforded to use paid sitters to remain with their children yet chose not to and no action is being taken this has to be considered as its setting poor examples and other people are prosicuted for less crimes why are they not having to answer to authorities for their actions!!! the only thing i hear people saying is that money talks and that goes to prove we live in a cruel evil unfair world in which innocent children such as maddie pay the price. but as i said at the begining i do feel for them but i also think they have commited the crime of neglect which needs addressing to. if we do something wrong we should face the consequences.....i have had to as i am sure others have tho lucky(and thro good judgement) my wrong doings havent involved my children suffering!
Maddie.............h
eres hoping with all i have to hope with that your found safe and well and that all this money raised can be put into finding other children whose parents are suffering to and to educating intellectuals in basic child care!
I have read a mixture of comments and feel compelled to add my two penny worth!
while i do feel for kate and gerry and as one human being to another genuinely feel for them i cant help but ask what they were thinking to! i like so many others dont agree that what they did in leaving their children unattended was right and as others have said realise that they will never be able to forgive themselves but when all is said and done i have been a single parent and critised and questioned about things which have not such a harmful outcome on my children yet here are two professional comfortably off people who could have afforded to use paid sitters to remain with their children yet chose not to and no action is being taken this has to be considered as its setting poor examples and other people are prosicuted for less crimes why are they not having to answer to authorities for their actions!!! the only thing i hear people saying is that money talks and that goes to prove we live in a cruel evil unfair world in which innocent children such as maddie pay the price. but as i said at the begining i do feel for them but i also think they have commited the crime of neglect which needs addressing to. if we do something wrong we should face the consequences.....i have had to as i am sure others have tho lucky(and thro good judgement) my wrong doings havent involved my children suffering!
Maddie.............h
eres hoping with all i have to hope with that your found safe and well and that all this money raised can be put into finding other children whose parents are suffering to and to educating intellectuals in basic child care!
Posted by: lyn, Essex, England on 7:16pm Sun 10 Jun 07
Kate and Gerry are suffering already without blame thrown in their faces. Let`s unite in support of them and all other anxious/distressed parents against the evil that stalks our children.May God bless them and keep them strong in their search.
Kate and Gerry are suffering already without blame thrown in their faces. Let`s unite in support of them and all other anxious/distressed parents against the evil that stalks our children.May God bless them and keep them strong in their search.
Posted by: Rachel Robinson on 7:19pm Sun 10 Jun 07
I would like to say as a mother of 2 children, my eldest is 12 and my youngest is now 4, we all make choices and have views on what is acceptable and what is not. Last year my daughter who was 3 at the time was dancing at the disco whilst we were holidaying in Lanzarote. Someone accidently stood on her toes and her toenail became dislogded. Obviously we couldn't allow her to go into the swimming pool for infection control reasons so each day we took her to the beach where she could bathe her feet in the sea.My son who at the time was 11 did not want to come with us as he had made a network of friends on the complex where we were staying. I had to ask one of his friends' parents if he could stay with them to which they agreed. Fortunately they were trustworthy people and our son was safe, however we had entrusted our child to complete strangers. Like I said initially we all make choices and non of us are perfect. I would never believe that my child would be taken from me and neither did Mr. & Mrs. McCann. The sick people making those comments should never be allowed children and obviously don't have them anyway. The person to blame is the individual who took Madeleine and has to give her back. She belongs with the loving family she comes from. Give her back!!!! Please[bold]bold[/bold] [italic]italic[/italic]
I would like to say as a mother of 2 children, my eldest is 12 and my youngest is now 4, we all make choices and have views on what is acceptable and what is not. Last year my daughter who was 3 at the time was dancing at the disco whilst we were holidaying in Lanzarote. Someone accidently stood on her toes and her toenail became dislogded. Obviously we couldn't allow her to go into the swimming pool for infection control reasons so each day we took her to the beach where she could bathe her feet in the sea.My son who at the time was 11 did not want to come with us as he had made a network of friends on the complex where we were staying. I had to ask one of his friends' parents if he could stay with them to which they agreed. Fortunately they were trustworthy people and our son was safe, however we had entrusted our child to complete strangers. Like I said initially we all make choices and non of us are perfect. I would never believe that my child would be taken from me and neither did Mr. & Mrs. McCann. The sick people making those comments should never be allowed children and obviously don't have them anyway. The person to blame is the individual who took Madeleine and has to give her back. She belongs with the loving family she comes from. Give her back!!!! Please
Posted by: jmd, Aviemore on 7:22pm Sun 10 Jun 07
[quote][bold]Sarah Nelson[/bold] wrote:
I have read a mixture of comments and feel compelled to add my two penny worth! while i do feel for kate and gerry and as one human being to another genuinely feel for them i cant help but ask what they were thinking to! i like so many others dont agree that what they did in leaving their children unattended was right and as others have said realise that they will never be able to forgive themselves but when all is said and done i have been a single parent and critised and questioned about things which have not such a harmful outcome on my children yet here are two professional comfortably off people who could have afforded to use paid sitters to remain with their children yet chose not to and no action is being taken this has to be considered as its setting poor examples and other people are prosicuted for less crimes why are they not having to answer to authorities for their actions!!! the only thing i hear people saying is that money talks and that goes to prove we live in a cruel evil unfair world in which innocent children such as maddie pay the price. but as i said at the begining i do feel for them but i also think they have commited the crime of neglect which needs addressing to. if we do something wrong we should face the consequences.....i have had to as i am sure others have tho lucky(and thro good judgement) my wrong doings havent involved my children suffering! Maddie.............h eres hoping with all i have to hope with that your found safe and well and that all this money raised can be put into finding other children whose parents are suffering to and to educating intellectuals in basic child care![/quote] Well said. Let's hope she is found. The McCann's must be going through hell.
But I'm a single parent. One evening when I was in my garden with the dog, my daughter dialled 999 and hung up. The police traced the call, came round and implied strongly that I shouldn't have left her alone in the house. So single parents can't even go into their gardens, but middle class professionals can go out for meals with a group of friends, have their daughter abducted and not expect criticism.
Anyway - there isn't much point in debating it now. She has gone. Let's hope she comes back.
Sarah Nelson wrote:
I have read a mixture of comments and feel compelled to add my two penny worth! while i do feel for kate and gerry and as one human being to another genuinely feel for them i cant help but ask what they were thinking to! i like so many others dont agree that what they did in leaving their children unattended was right and as others have said realise that they will never be able to forgive themselves but when all is said and done i have been a single parent and critised and questioned about things which have not such a harmful outcome on my children yet here are two professional comfortably off people who could have afforded to use paid sitters to remain with their children yet chose not to and no action is being taken this has to be considered as its setting poor examples and other people are prosicuted for less crimes why are they not having to answer to authorities for their actions!!! the only thing i hear people saying is that money talks and that goes to prove we live in a cruel evil unfair world in which innocent children such as maddie pay the price. but as i said at the begining i do feel for them but i also think they have commited the crime of neglect which needs addressing to. if we do something wrong we should face the consequences.....i have had to as i am sure others have tho lucky(and thro good judgement) my wrong doings havent involved my children suffering! Maddie.............h eres hoping with all i have to hope with that your found safe and well and that all this money raised can be put into finding other children whose parents are suffering to and to educating intellectuals in basic child care!
Well said. Let's hope she is found. The McCann's must be going through hell.
But I'm a single parent. One evening when I was in my garden with the dog, my daughter dialled 999 and hung up. The police traced the call, came round and implied strongly that I shouldn't have left her alone in the house. So single parents can't even go into their gardens, but middle class professionals can go out for meals with a group of friends, have their daughter abducte