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August 29, 2008 Est 1999 Scotland's award-winning independent newspaper
Fatties, you need to get a grip

IN HIS report on National Health Service spending just published, Sir Derek Wanless warns that Britain's obesity epidemic is spiralling out of control. On current trends, he says, 33% of men, 28% of women and 20% of children will be obese (in other words, extremely fat) by 2010. Now it's official: far from slowing the incidence of obesity as it pledged to do, Labour has presided over a dramatic rise, one that threatens to bankrupt the NHS. No health service, however effective or well-funded, can ever cope with record numbers of ailing citizens suffering the consequences of obesity; conditions like diabetes, heart disease and stroke.

I had my own personal encounter with Britain's sprawling fat problem earlier this week while travelling back from holiday. I found myself on a full flight, sat next to an extremely fat woman whose body size exceeded the dimensions of her seat. "Would you mind if we left the arm rest up ?" she asked, explaining that she was "rather broad around the hips", an understatement of epic proportions.

Initially, I gave her the answer she wanted to hear, then hastily backtracked when I realised that this would mean enduring an eight-hour flight in an already cramped space with half of her ample frame occupying my seat. As it was, even trying to put the arm rest down proved impossible because it was constantly forced upwards by her bulging thigh. I felt sorry for the woman, certainly. She must have had a desperately uncomfortable journey. But I also felt put upon. How much longer before territorial disputes over plane seats become as commonplace as neighbour fights over Leylandii hedges ?

Travelling through airports offers a graphic demonstration of how we have totally lost the plot with obesity. Last year, in Beauvais airport outside Paris, I observed three check-in queues. The first two, bound for Stockholm and Amsterdam, consisted of people of a generally slim or at least normal build, a bit like British people would have looked like in the 1960s, say. The third queue, bound for Prestwick, was a national embarrassment. Almost everyone was overweight. They looked out of puff, self-conscious and robbed of any vitality they might otherwise have had by the burden of dragging around all those excess kilos. In denial, too, trying to squash themselves into the those jumbo-sized jeans now designed to accommodate sizes 18-32. How the prospect of returning home - where they might blend in with the rest of the plump population - must have appealed!

This ever-expanding national girth is a reflection of our over-tolerant attitude to fatness. It is a much more comfortable social experience to be fat in the UK or the US than it is in Europe. Call it body fascism if you like, but in Europe excessive weight gain, much like excessive drinking, is socially disapproved of.

In the UK, on the other hand, being fat is so common as to be acceptable, even expected. Indeed we live in the era of fat militancy, borrowed from the US, where clothes shops catering for teenagers are taken to task for not stocking previously unheard-of sizes upwards of extra large, and where the design of everything from toilet seats to bus aisles is rapidly being scaled up to cater for greatly enlarged dimensions.

Many behaviour patterns in Britain add up to what epidemiologists now refer to as an "obesogenic" environment. Workaholism leaves us exhausted, craving recovery time rather than active leisure time. We believe that we don't have time to cook, so we live on a diet of gut-expanding processed food. Stranger Danger fears keep children imprisoned at home, glued to Game Boys and telly, not outside playing with a ball. In Scotland, a peculiarly Celtic fatalism allows us to absolve ourselves of personal responsibility for our wellbeing and look passively to the NHS to undo any damage that we may do to ourselves.

In our defence, we have been miserably let down by government. Since Labour came to power it has been in the pocket of the food industry and its advertisers, and terrified of being criticised as a nanny state if it is too prescriptive in telling people what to eat. Even with the kick up the backside delivered by the Wanless report, it would be naive to wait for the government to weigh in with public measures to save us from ourselves.

So what is going to give, other than our straining seams, if the population keeps ballooning? Even further crippling rises in national insurance contributions will be insufficient to deal with the strain on the NHS. That will leave society having to make very tough decisions. Should children so fat that their health is hopelessly compromised be taken into care to save them from "neglectful" parents who raise them on cola and takeaway? Social services have already taken three children into care on these grounds. Will we have to ration medical treatment to fat people on the grounds that their illnesses are self-induced ?

I don't mean to be entirely unsympathetic. A few people become fat for complex medical or psychological reasons outwith their control. But most people are fat just because they can't be bothered to take themselves in hand, and their lives are the poorer for it. They need to get a grip.

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Posted by: Plobotsky on 11:50pm Sat 15 Sep 07
Poor Joanna, having to sit beside an ordinary fat Scottish person. The Sunday Herald needs to give her lots of money so she can fly with a posher airline, or at least in business clarse.
Posted by: Cynica on 3:33am Sun 16 Sep 07
I suppose, Joanna, it would never enter your head that the woman may have been on a long course of, say, prednisolone, or be suffering from kidney disease?
This latest witch-hunt from government is alarming.
try replacing joanna's "fat woman" with "Pakistani" or "Jew" to see how distasteful her rant is.
Two weeks in a row - back to thoise restaurants!
Posted by: donald, glasgow on 5:23am Sun 16 Sep 07
Better than David Murray who tried to hide his sectarian business behind fat bustards.
Posted by: Andy, Austin, Texas on 5:35am Sun 16 Sep 07
'Get a grip' as a solution, perhaps we should try that one on drug addicts and alcoholics as well ? Come on Joanna, is this a wind-up ? What are you doing to be part of the solution ? Comments like this could be alienating and although I have had the same experience on flights on more than one occasion, and have had the same self-righteous feeling about being inconvenienced it's too easy to go down the 'self inflicted and no self discipline' path. What about globalisation of food production, homronal additives for profit, government subsidy to supermarket chains, nothing startingly original, but try to get the real culprits identified (and you know much more about the real issues than most). At least Jamie Oliver tried to make a difference, starting with educating those he could reach, what are you doing ? If you are playing the controversial journalist game to build a brand, don't make it so obvious.
Posted by: Snall, New York on 8:16am Sun 16 Sep 07
I find blaming the government always works well.

/Sarcasm

Blaming the government for many things is acceptable. For the people being fat? *sigh*
Posted by: David, France on 8:23am Sun 16 Sep 07
Some of the above comments have a petulant tone, as if being monstrously obese is a God-given right. Sure, a very small number of the hideously fat are fat due to some medical problem, but to compare fatties to Pakistanis is silly. Most Pakistanis and Jews are not disgustingly ugly, nor do they occupy two seats for the price of one on airplanes.
Posted by: Ian Johnston, Castle Douglas on 8:43am Sun 16 Sep 07
try replacing joanna's "fat woman" with "Pakistani" or "Jew" to see how distasteful her rant is.

Why? That makes as much sense as saying "It's wrong to fine people for speeding because we don't fine them for being jewish."

In almost every case fatness is a sign of greediness and lack of self-control. Lard buckets who make other people uncomfortable in planes, trains and buses deserve no sympathy.
Posted by: Thomas, California on 9:05am Sun 16 Sep 07
It's interesting point to make. I vacationed in Europe last year and saw several pretty and fit girls with round shaped faces. I knew that the same girl born in the US would've been fat. It was almost as if seeing what could be here.

The frustrating thing for me is that I know I am overweight but everyone tries to tell me that this is ridiculous, that despite the fact that I have a fat belly, that I am somehow "normal". I hate being this kind of normal and other's acceptance is not helpful.
Posted by: Matthew, Australia on 9:13am Sun 16 Sep 07
To Andy:
She is part of the solution- she's not fat.
Posted by: ablejack, BFLO-NY-USA on 9:44am Sun 16 Sep 07
plump women are trh HAWt.
Posted by: John on 10:00am Sun 16 Sep 07
Cynica wrote:
I suppose, Joanna, it would never enter your head that the woman may have been on a long course of, say, prednisolone, or be suffering from kidney disease?
This latest witch-hunt from government is alarming.
try replacing joanna's "fat woman" with "Pakistani" or "Jew" to see how distasteful her rant is.
Two weeks in a row - back to thoise restaurants!
erm, pakastanis and Jews are races of people. Obesity is caused by over indulging. It is not fair to discriminate against race. But tolerance of obesity is dangerous.

Obesity people are physically disgusting...any one who says otherwise is just being nice. I promote exercise in my family and have zero tolerance to obesity. We are happy and healthy. Would I still love my son if he was a fat couch potato...yes.

But he wouldnt ever be like that due to my insistance on exercise and restrictions on bad food, tv and video games
Posted by: Patrick, Colorado USA on 10:14am Sun 16 Sep 07
A few years ago, I nearly broke the scales at 300 lbs. That was no one's fault but my own, but for years I lived in denial and excuses. True, for some people it's a physiological problem outside their control. For most, the vast majority, it's a choice. It's another symptom of Western society's tendency towards instant gratification and selfishness, laziness and entitlement. I got fed up with being fat and did something about it. Now I'm about 185. There's no reason anyone else can't do the same.
Posted by: Matt, Perth on 10:21am Sun 16 Sep 07
Posted by: Cynica on 3:33am today
This latest witch-hunt from government is alarming.
try replacing joanna's "fat woman" with "Pakistani" or "Jew" to see how distasteful her rant is.


Ok, will do.

"I don't mean to be entirely unsympathetic. A few people become jewish for complex medical or psychological reasons out of their control. But most people are jewish just because they can't be bothered to take themselves in hand, and their lives are the poorer for it. They need to get a grip."

My god, you're right! Not eating cheeseburgers is morally comparable to burning a synagogue!

Posted by: T on 10:37am Sun 16 Sep 07
I'm glad someone has said something about this issue. as for it being a witch hunt, try being a regular sized person or someone who is naturally skinny in this country! I am of average height but probably underweight, the thing is i am naturally like this and do not eat loads of crappy food. it is assumed that i have some sort of eating disorder all the time and that is unfair. fatties should get a grip as most of them only have themselves to blame. as for air travel they should be charged extra as they must be using up more fuel than me. their carbon footprint must be huge as they eat more crappy food from supermarkets etc than me as well! TAX THE FAT!!!
Posted by: generaldrummond, Glasgow on 10:43am Sun 16 Sep 07
It is nonsensical to compare prejudice based on body size with racism, but that doesn't make this article any less snotty, judgemental or unpleasant. Joanna Blythman attempts to hide her petulant outburst behind a feigned concern for fat people's health because she knows that focusing on her real objection - aesthetics - will expose her as a sneering, shallow body fascist, but that's exactly how she comes across anyway. Healthy people and unhealthy people both come in all sorts of shapes and sizes, and forcing everyone to conform to some cookie-cutter, regulated body shape is an idea as distasteful as it would be counter-productive. The smug assumptions that Joanna Blythman makes about the lives and personal happiness of the people she saw in the airport are obnoxious, and simply reinforce the fact this this is nothing but a spiteful rant from the complacent, privileged perspective of the private gym membership and the weekly organic box. If Joanna had addressed anywhere the oft-proven links between incidence of chronic diseases such as diabetes and the levels of inequality in society, for example, there might have been some point to this article. We should all be concerned about Scotland's poor health record, but the fact is that tackling it will require considerably more complex and comprehensive solutions than simply bullying people who don't conform to Joanna Blythman's personal vision of the body beautiful.
Posted by: Mick, Oxford on 10:44am Sun 16 Sep 07
Sorry, but I agree with the sentiment of the article. There are a few isolated medical cases that can lead to excessive weight gain, but for the vast majority of people, if energy in + energy out > 0, you gain weight. If it's < 0, you lose weight. Not exactly rocket science...
Posted by: Solidarity supporter, Edinburgh on 10:46am Sun 16 Sep 07
Of course I could be frivolous and claim my excess weight is due to reading Joannas restaraunt reviews over the years and following her tips!However she does make a serious point about diet and in her books such as "Shopped" she shows how supermarkets and fast food companies have made the obesity problem worse.
The problem is of course how to change the national diet perhaps next weeks column Joanna.I do know that Joanna gave active support to Tommy Sheridans bill to introduce free healthy and nutritious school meals to all state schools in Scotland.The SNP are now introducing a trial in 5 local authority areas and the evidence from other countries is that free school meals could be a crucial part of the national diet change required.
Posted by: Mike MacKinnon on 10:57am Sun 16 Sep 07
Funny how smokers told everybody ages ago that banning smoking was only the first step! They would then come for drinkers and fatties. You're boat has come in.

But of course, you'll be in denial. At least smokers pay for thier medical treatment through the tax system!
Posted by: Jake G., Dallas, TX on 11:27am Sun 16 Sep 07
Although I am not for a government stepping in to dictate my own health, I do feel that if a gov't shouldn't do anything than we as a society should. Peer pressure can be used in a positive fashion, too. So next time you see someone fat, point, laugh and verbally observe their obesity. If they try and reprimand you, tell them you have the same problem as them, but that your condition/ your over-indulgence/your lack of self control only affects your mouth and not your gut.
Posted by: rob, london on 11:32am Sun 16 Sep 07
I moved to London UK from Canada about a year ago.

I looked long and hard to find decent gym for a reasonable price and found the leisure centers pathetic. Overprices and laughably equipped.
Improving the quality of the leisure centers (and lowering the prices) would do a lot to help the situation.
I don't appreciate having to pay £25 to some fat guy to check my blood pressure and demonstrate how to use a treadmill. Then I can pay another £25 to then have the privilege of paying a £5 drop in fee for a gym that doesn't have a proper bench. It's disgusting

If you can't be bothered to be an adult and put a little thought into what you eat and getting a bit of exercise each week (I only work out for 2 45 min sessions a week) Then you deserve what you get.
Modern culture is heading towards people not taking responsibility for anything. Including themselves.


Posted by: Alistair, Atlanta on 11:52am Sun 16 Sep 07
Take it from those of us in the US, you do NOT want to go down this path. You do not want a society where 6 foot tall, 170 pounds is considered, "too skinny, need to eat more". And like 1/3 of the population has diabetes. Being fat is disgusting, wasteful, rude, and should be considered totally socially unacceptable in every society. The ones I feel sorry for, and the only ones, are the small fraction of 1% of the obese whose condition is actually caused by health problems beyond their control and not simple, disgusting, good old fashioned GLUTTONY. All the disgusting fat tubs of lard give those with genuine health problems a bad rap, and should be ashamed of themselves.

If the food industry gets too much of a foothold, you will be walking down the hell that we are facing in the US, don't let it happen. People here honestly do not UNDERSTAND that eating too much is the cause of their obesity due to decades of continuous, intense food industry propaganda. The food industry makes a fortune coming and going, first getting people fat and then selling them "dieting" products and services purporting to help the problem, but which actually attempt to ensure that the obese individual will never make the PERMANENT LIFESTYLE CHANGE necessary to solve their problem.
Posted by: 5-9 and 160 lbs (I'd take you in a second!), Toronto, Canada on 12:42pm Sun 16 Sep 07
Lashing out are we?
Just eat some cake you control freak snob!!
Posted by: ptw, at home... on 12:50pm Sun 16 Sep 07
Life is too short to dance with fat women. And that's the truth...
Posted by: Robbie on 1:13pm Sun 16 Sep 07
Would be interested to learn what the US and UK share in the food supply, that's not shared by Europe. Artificial sweeteners? Difference in fatty acid ratios in the diet? Amount of genetically modified food? Other?

Posted by: Tubzilla, US on 1:19pm Sun 16 Sep 07
Listen you jerk faces. It IS my God given right to be a fat arse! If you think that cheeseburgers make people fat, then you think that you can legislate cheeseburgers out of my mouth. If you think that cigs give people lung cancer, then you can legislate that out of society. Gay sex causes Aids, right? Well, we should just make being gay illegal. Playing the piano can cause arthritis. Maybe we should legislate restrictions on how people are allowed to use their own hands to help curb the arthritis epidemic. Arthritic hands are disgustingly ugly to look at too. Who would dare making such a statement! So sorry that you have to look at we DISGUSTING Fat people. We didn't realize that we were such a hideous eyesore as to warrent news articles and legislation about the horrible burden of looking at us the the rest of society has to endure.
Posted by: Steaphan, Japan on 1:20pm Sun 16 Sep 07
This is a good article. Why should she have to be squashed into a corner just because the person next to her has abused their body to such an extent that she takes up more than one seat? On the other hand, what about making aeroplane seats bigger? All cheap clothes stores cater for short and tall FAT people, but very few carry sizes for tall, slim people. Only short slim people, or medium-tall slim people....why should tall, slim people have to pay more for their clothes than FAT people?
Posted by: Ali Monster, Glasgow on 1:28pm Sun 16 Sep 07
Let's seriously consider the issue of baggage allowances on flights. I am allowed to take a total of 90kg on most domestic flights - 70kg of 175cm male me and 20kg of luggage before being heavily penalised by airlines, ostensibly for the cost of transporting my excessive weight. If I weighed twice as much, I would be allowed 160kg before being charged. Is this fair? Of course, allow those on Prednisolone etc. to show their MedicAlert bracelets but I, for one, am tired of the discrimination against normal, healthy people - always the easiest targets.
Posted by: Steaphan, Japan on 1:33pm Sun 16 Sep 07
Yes, very good point Ali Monster of Glasgow. I hope the rules are changed for when I come home at Christmas. Also, I should qualify my earlier point, by informing you all that when I eat too much, my body automatically rejects it, thereby preventing me from being fat. Why doesn't this happen to fat people? If everyone had irritable bowel syndrome like me, then noone would be fat.
Posted by: BCSD, Canada. on 2:04pm Sun 16 Sep 07
AWESOME ARTICLE! BEST I HAVE READ IN A WHILE! IT IS SO TRUE!

I agree it is their own fault, and it does slow down work productivity. I have a co-worker that is four times my weight, and it takes her 4 hours to do a 15 minute job. >:(

Its not like its hard to lose weight either, I lost 40lbs within the last five months. All you have to do is not act like a pig.
Posted by: Vic, Austin, TX, USA on 2:30pm Sun 16 Sep 07
Right on, Joanna! I'm an American who lived in Japan for two years and went through what I termed "Obesity-shock" every time I came home: the part where I'd hit DFW or LAX airports and say to myself "Oh my God, is my country really like this?"

Apart from being generally disgusting for the rest of us, obesity increases health-care costs by wasting doctor's time on what amounts to self-inflicted wounds. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that doctors going into med school have visions of helping children with asthma and cancer patients, not people who are diabetic because they can't resist soft drinks and Big Macs.

The quote "rather broad around the hips" is hysterical.
Posted by: Raheem Abduhl, Atlanta on 2:32pm Sun 16 Sep 07
It's simple. Tax fat people more than skinny people, ban them from flying, use them as ballast on ships. Problem solved.
Posted by: Tubzilla, US on 2:48pm Sun 16 Sep 07
Ya know what, I have been fat all my life. Since before I was even able to choose my own food. You will say its my fault or my parents fault, but I have a sister 1 year older than me who isn't fat and has NEVER been fat since before she could choose what she eats. You understand that I have tried everything under the sun to normalize my weight. I probabaly have stressed myself out every other second for my entire life about being fat before I even knew how to talk!!! This is no joke. I remember being very young and I was always the fat one, poke my middle then my sisters. "Hehe, he's so chubby! But his sister is thin..." Being fat is much more complicated than it appears on the surface, and you really should be ashamed of yourself for so casually passing judgement over people who are overweight. It is much more complicated then you make it out to be or that you can ever understand it to be. Shame on you. I hate you. Really, I truly do hate you. If you were standing in front of me saying these mean things about me I would punch you and spit in your face. Probably worse for how much you hurt other people with your victim blaiming superiority complex. I hope you wake up with a thyroid problem tomorrow and end up weighing 400 pounds. It really could happen and I hope it does.
Posted by: Matthew, United States on 3:16pm Sun 16 Sep 07
Tubzilla, you don't hate the article writer. You hate yourself. It's clear from how you write, and the excuses you've built up around yourself about why you're fat and why you can't lose the weight.

Being fat isn't much more complicated than it appears on the surface; the people with legitimate fat-causing conditions (such as a thyroid problem) are FAR outweighed by the people who have eaten and eaten and eaten themselves fat, not just by eating too much, but also by eating the right amounts of the wrong foods. How is that complicated? Eat right, stay active, you probably won't get or remain fat.
Posted by: Tamara: 5'6" 125#, New York, NY on 3:18pm Sun 16 Sep 07
I was so happy to read this article expressing things that I feel every day! I have an hour-long commute on two subway trains each way to work, and more often than not I see two (or sometimes even one!) very fat people sprawled out across seats meant to hold three individuals. Of course it is much, much worse in airplanes where you are assigned to a seat and don't have the option to stand up rather than be squashed.

I've lived and traveled in both Europe and Asia, and as Vic in Austin said, the "obesity shock" of coming home is depressing and mortifying. America is a melting pot, meaning the people who are born here have a mixture of DNA and body types from races all over the world who have come here. Since we're fatter than any other race or nation in the world, it's obviously due to things we are DOING WRONG and not things that "can't be helped."

Tubzilla says he has "tried everything under the sun" to normalize his weight--would that, by chance, include vigorous exercise for thirty to sixty minutes a day, eating fruit and veg and drinking water while excluding soda, fast food, and candy? I doubt it. I think a lot of fat people have the mistaken impression that "normal" people don't have to do anything to stay that way, when the truth of the matter is that most of us are sweating our **** off at the gym after work and cooking real food instead of watching TV and eating take-out or processed foods.

Sure, there are natural variations in body type, but not to the extreme: size 20 is not a 'variation,' it's an aberration. Unfortunately it seems that the UK and the USA are developing entirely different scales of variety, skewed heavily (pardon the pun) toward the supersized.
Posted by: Tubzilla, US on 3:31pm Sun 16 Sep 07
I think that skinny people have the mistaken impression that fat people are at fault for their own obesity. More sanctimonious victim blaiming. Skinny people are just douche bags in general. Why the hell do you post your height and weight on the message board? 5'6" 125#s. You are proud of your anorexia? My OTHER sister who has weight problems like me used to make herself throw up after every meal because of people like you. Because I am a male I am less concerned by the opinions of people such as yourself. But thanks for a collective group effort of torturing my sister into bolemia! She is also bald from being malnourished and pulling her own hair out due to all the social anxiety about weight. But it really is the fat peoples fault for being fat. Thank God somebody had the balls to tell us off to our faces for our fat laziness because it doesn't happen 30 times a day every day for your entire life. That 31st insult of the day really did the trick. thanks a bunch.
Posted by: C on 3:40pm Sun 16 Sep 07
Tubzilla, what kind of avoidance problem do you have? People get fat BECAUSE OF THE LIFESTYLE THEY LEAD, and people STAY FAT BECAUSE OF IT.
Posted by: Ali Monster, Glasgow on 3:42pm Sun 16 Sep 07
Tubzilla, so far you've picked on God, smokers, gay people, pianists (!), your family, journalists and Tamara from NY. I hope you wake up tomorrow and have a happier, healthier day.
Posted by: Tubzilla, US on 3:48pm Sun 16 Sep 07
It is appropriate that your intellect is so inferior that you would completely and entirely miss all of my points that I was not making fun of any of those people or things you listed.
Posted by: ZZZ, Buffalo, USA on 4:01pm Sun 16 Sep 07
Tubz, if you are overweight due to a thyroid problem or other medical condition, that's really tough, and I hope one day there's a cure. But this article isn't directed towards that fraction of a percent of obese people. It's directed to those who choose--through laziness and gluttony--to be overweight, while simlutaneously demanding that culture change to accomodate them. That's a BS attitude.

If the solution to the problem is no more complicated than a healthy salad and a treadmill, don't expect the rest of us to empathize.

And yeah, I'm tired of seeing my countrymen look like the Hutt.
Posted by: joe on 4:03pm Sun 16 Sep 07
I see that the fatties are out in force today, don't defend your disgusting obesity, change your lifestyle.
Posted by: Tubzilla, US on 4:05pm Sun 16 Sep 07
Yeah, well I'm tired of you not bringing me a ham sandwich. That doesn't mean that you have to do shiz about it. So, you are sick of seeing me look like jubba the hutt, well then close your eyes, cuz I feel like laying out in my bikini in front of your house all day.
Posted by: ZZZ, Buffalo, USA on 4:11pm Sun 16 Sep 07
Tubz, sure, freeze to death if you want to. Then we can accomodate the voluntarliy frozen people, too.
Posted by: Perilous, The World on 4:12pm Sun 16 Sep 07
My, my. What a lot of ignorant, prejudice, self-aggrandizing morons we have here!

Tubzilla, you're spot on. Discrimination is discrimination is discrimination, and it is wrong. "Positive" peer pressure does NOT equal publicly humiliating individuals based on any external criteria, such as size, colour, or creed. You choose your religion, too; we see how well that goes over when the religious decide to discriminate against others.

With all the actual important things going on in this world, we choose instead to continue to be media-led puppets and declare over some kind of imaginary "obesity epidemic." Really, as another poster observed, all this is is one of the last legal forms of discrimination and just another way to laugh at someone you don't want to have sex with.

Well, I can tell you this: being fat is an marvellous idiot shield. It prevents me from ever being anywhere near to having anything at all to do with the ignorant, uneducated imbeciles who purport to know things they clearly have absolutely no clue about. There is no use trying to educate you; your ignorance is simply too endemic.

Being fat is not a crime. Being stupid? Well, let's just say that there are so many of you stupid folks out there that to make THAT illegal would wipe out about 90% of the population.

Maybe that's not such a bad idea, though. At least we would have decent political leaders and be able to eat in peace without having to stab some fool with a fork because s/he was so busy being an intolerant bigot labouring under the impression that their opinion means anything in the first place they dont stop to consider how small-minded and poisonous they are.

I'd much rather be three times my weight than be most of you and slender. I might be fat, but at least I'm a decent human being. Nobody has the right to tear down another person. The very idea that fat people DESERVE to be discriminated against and abused just because of the way they LOOK is appalling. Do you people actually hear what you're saying? It's incredible.

No matter how slender you folks are, you will always be disgusting, slimy, and repulsive in ways I could never be no matter how much weight I pack on. Always. I weep for your children. You disgust me in every sense of the word.
Posted by: Steaphan, Japan on 4:13pm Sun 16 Sep 07
Hey Tubzilla,

why don't you punch and spit in someone's face, then you'll be thrown into prison, and hopefully will be forced to go on a strict prison diet and exercise regime. Then, for the first time in your life, you won't be fat...wouldn't that be great?
Posted by: Steaphan, Japan on 4:16pm Sun 16 Sep 07
On a serious note, if your obesity doesn't impinge on others, and you are perfectly and truthfully happy the way you are, then why worry? It really is up to the individuals concerned...
Posted by: FATnPROUD, UK on 4:21pm Sun 16 Sep 07
Even though, I think Tubz forgot to take his medicine today, he does bring up some good point. The social pressures and anxieties of being fat really take an emotional toll, like when I have to order 2 or three sodas at McDonald's drive through to pretend that the food is for more people at home. Or when I go to the chinese buffet and it tasted so good that I couldn't stop eating and I had diarhea at the table and still went up for one more plate and the people would give me dirty looks like, "I'm so sure, your so fat, you won't even stop eating to go diarhea in the toilet or wipe up the diarhea from the floor at the table." and I was like, "I don't work here."
Posted by: Ali Monster, Glasgow on 4:24pm Sun 16 Sep 07
Perilous, that's an interesting point about fatter people being nicer; Tubzilla has said that he would like to spit in people's faces, accused Tamara of being anorexic and told me that I'm mentally inferior, while your arguement purports that I am "disgusting, slimy and repulsive".

Let's be fair; some of the slim people have said less than helpful things too, but I'm struggling to see anyone here defending their obesity without resorting to vindictiveness. Anyone anything nice to say to that?
Posted by: chubbytraitor, US on 5:02pm Sun 16 Sep 07
Now here's a fresh perspective. I am overweight, obese even. I've been struggling for the last 5 years to find a reason for over 100 pound weight gain when I exercise regularly and eat healthy well balanced meals. I've finally been told that I only have 1/8 of a functioning thyroid and I've been put on medication to correct this problem. For the first time in 5 years I'm able to finally build some muscle tone. Now here's my point. If I can work my butt off for 5 years with no progress but only for the fact that I know I should why can't everyone else? I'm not saying everyone will be thin and attractive but it never hurt anyone to try.
Posted by: Brian Campbell, Guildford, UK on 5:12pm Sun 16 Sep 07
Tubzilla, I've got to take issue with you calling someone who's 5'6 and 125lb "anorexic". A quick search online will turn up plenty of information about appropriate weights, based on medical opinion: 118 - 155 lbs is recommended for a 5'6" person, so 125lb is the lower end of normal, but still normal.

Weight info's widely available, and I think part of the weight problem is that people base what their weight should be on how other people look, or their own guesswork, rather than medical fact. 125lb is a perfectly decent weight for someone to be, and anyone thinking that's seriously underweight is just demonstrating how their own perception has been skewed by the gradual increasing size of the population.

I used to be very overweight, and lost over 50lb over the course of a year just by taking a proper look at my diet, taking regular exercise, seeing what I should be eating, looking up what a sensible weight for me should be, then adjusting my calorific intake to reach it. I now feel fantastic physically and a lot better about myself mentally. If people are overweight and happy with that then great, but lots of overweight people seem to either deny they're fat or else claim they do the right things despite paying no real attention to how much they actually eat.

And as for discrimination, obviously persecuting overweight people is wrong, but at the same time it seems odd to blanket criticise any negative comments about obesity as "discrimination". If I'm wedged uncomfortably into a corner because a very fat person spreads out into my seat, apparently criticising their lack of self control is discrimination. If one person's choices have a negative effect on someone else's life, does that second person just have to suffer through it, because daring to complain gets them marked as a bigot?
Posted by: fatinUSA, USA on 5:15pm Sun 16 Sep 07
I moved to the USA from the UK fifteen years ago, and I'm fatter here than I've ever been.

I think the obesity 'epidemic' is a complex issue, comprised of several things happening in society:

- It used to be that being physically active was just a part of life, integrated with shopping and chores and cleaning. Catching the bus and lugging shopping is a pretty good workout compared to just dumping everything in your car and driving door to door.

- We have much more choice in food; it's probably more enjoyable now than ever before.

- People are genuinely bigger, not just fatter than they used to be. I think this might skew the stats a bit.

- The guilt inducing opinions of the judgemental are not encouraging to those trying to undertake the difficult task of losing weight, neither is the hatred of fat towards thin. In some respects, you are what you are, and we should practice tolerance and respect for each other.

- In short, I think the answer is for individuals to try and live a healthy, active life, and not worry about their size; for the government to increase opportunities for people to integrate that healthy lifestyle into their daily activities, and for us all to appreciate our differences.
Posted by: Homo hubris, Aloha, Oregon, TheoNaziAmerica on 5:31pm Sun 16 Sep 07
I have noticed just recently that I am depressingly sick of seeing fat people. It is like living in a Sumo stable here. I try to be charitable and understand that there is a human being trapped in that obscene blob of living oil in front of me but, as their numbers increase and are all around me, horror-movie affect begins to creep in. You Brits are pretty clever. You invented the...the...ah, the Maxim Gun, yes, and maybe you could devise a way to harvest all of this human oil in some painless way. Imagine eating all the chips your stomach can hold and turning them into homo-diesel! See the envy on the faces of thin people as they pay for petrol and you just stick your catheter into the petrol tank and turn the stopcock. I suppose new fashions would be necessary to accomodate all of the flaccid skin after a long trip but a small price. America would become oil-independent almost immediately and the great vacuum of our economy cease to become a potential plot for future horror movies. We look to you, Oh Britainia, from whence so much that is truly American but, in fact, truly British has come. Like Lafayette, help us in our hour of need. Oh wait! Lafayette was French!? They cut that out of the history books here, that the French actually won the American revolutionary war and then kindly went home. Without the frogs, you guys would have hung George Washington out like a moldy dishrag. Yeah. Sorry. Like you, we Americans take umbrage when someone is so rude as to help us. Down with the French, I say, how dare they be thin! And know how to cook too! It's just not fair! All of them Euros, who do they think they are, anyway? We outnumber them two to one even with the same number of people. Thanks. TIME FOR ANOTHER POT OF FRENCH ROAST.
Posted by: Brandon, Indianapolis, IN on 5:41pm Sun 16 Sep 07
Obesity in the US is an epidemic. There are many who point to fast food, food additives, food industry marketing, etc. as the root cause. Folks, the root cause is BEHAVIOR. It's time to take responsibility for your own actions. The fact is, diets in the 1950's were atrocious, consisting of lots of high-fat and carb loaded meals. Yet people here weren't obese. The difference is behavior. In the past, people were more active and probably ate less. And for those of you want to play the socioeconomic card ("poor people cant afford gym memberships and organic food") let me say this: the direction of causation is sloth=>poverty, not the other way around. People know what do to, they are just too lazy to do it.
Posted by: keypusher, new york, new york on 5:54pm Sun 16 Sep 07
Very funny post, Homo hubris. Hiram Maxim was an American, though he invented his famous machine gun in Britain and eventually became a British subject.


Posted by: Anders Chydenius, Miami, USA on 8:09pm Sun 16 Sep 07
John wrote:
Cynica wrote:
I suppose, Joanna, it would never enter your head that the woman may have been on a long course of, say, prednisolone, or be suffering from kidney disease?
This latest witch-hunt from government is alarming.
try replacing joanna\'s \"fat woman\" with \"Pakistani\" or \"Jew\" to see how distasteful her rant is.
Two weeks in a row - back to thoise restaurants!
erm, pakastanis and Jews are races of people. Obesity is caused by over indulging. It is not fair to discriminate against race. But tolerance of obesity is dangerous.

Obesity people are physically disgusting...any one who says otherwise is just being nice. I promote exercise in my family and have zero tolerance to obesity. We are happy and healthy. Would I still love my son if he was a fat couch potato...yes.

But he wouldnt ever be like that due to my insistance on exercise and restrictions on bad food, tv and video games
Being Pakistani or Jewish is linked to diabetes, heart disease, and hypertension? hrm. I seem to have missed that memo. I was not aware that consuming more calories than one burns is an ethnicity. Wonderful stuff here. Very enlightening.

Well, no matter. The porcine will die early and the problem will solve itself over time, rather like inner-city gang violence. Let them kill themselves and each other and be done with it.

If you tire of living in this Monty Python's 1984 that England has become, Canada and New Zealand are still relatively open.
Posted by: CindyV, Seattle, WA, USA on 8:23pm Sun 16 Sep 07
John wrote:
Obesity people are physically disgusting...any one who says otherwise is just being nice.


Disgust is a very personal experience, John. I, for one, find it creeping up my gullet whenever I encounter some self-righteous whiner with adult opinions but a third-grade grasp of the English language.
Posted by: James Scullion, Balloch on 8:44pm Sun 16 Sep 07
Speaking as someone slightly overweight I find myself in general agreement with Joanna Blythman's article. Her comments about the NHS refusing to treat obese people would however encounter some technical problems. The Human Rights issue is an obvious example. One concern I have, symptomatic of society's trajectory, is that obese people already appear to have UK legislation on their side in the form of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995. In particular The Disability Discrimination (Meaning of Disability) Regulations 1996/1455 does not exclude obesity as a disability in the same way as it does other forms of addiction. I am not a lawyer but it does appear that the oft-quoted lady on the plane could seek redress from the airline using this legislation should the airline seek additional costs from her or even refuse to carry her. I wonder if those who drafted this legislation had this intention in mind.
Posted by: DancesWithScales, London, UK on 8:47pm Sun 16 Sep 07
Obviously if the European descendants in America and UK are getting fatter, and the Europeans in Europe are not, then the problem isn't just genetic in most cases.

The problem seems to be partly, as Joanna observes, social pressure and lack of it. Not just easing of social pressure against obesity in the US and UK, but a gradual rising of the "norms" until someone might actually do ridiculous things like suggest that normal-weight people are anorexic (nice going, Tubzilla), or that it's all a matter of individual variation.

I think the biggest clue is in the articles you'll see if you google "friends make you fat" right now. That's right, the New England Journal of Medicine has shown how you "catch" obesity from your friends and family, through social norms.

Posted by: Garrett, Phoenix, AZ on 9:50pm Sun 16 Sep 07
I fully agree. Obesity should be shunned and avoided like the plague it is. A year ago I weighed over 350 lbs at 6'2", mostly because I was lazy. In the last five months I've lost nearly 70 lbs thanks to my own diet and exercise plan, and I should have the rest off before my next birthday.

If you think former smokers are nasty to smokers, you haven't seen anything. I find obesity entirely distasteful, disgusting, and unacceptable under any circumstances. If I get stuck next to some fata$$ on a flight, you can bet I'm going to embarrass them until they rethink their ridiculous eating habits. Same goes for any other situation where somebody's fat encroaches on my personal space.

I had no tolerance for it when I was fat, and I will continue having no tolerance for it longer after I am not. Surgery isn't required you lazy nitwits, just eat right and exercise. Your life (and everyone else's) will improve as a result.
Posted by: Alicia, earth on 9:53pm Sun 16 Sep 07
joe wrote:
I see that the fatties are out in force today, don\'t defend your disgusting obesity, change your lifestyle.
I cant believe that people can treat someone like that?
The point made earlier was to substitute Jew or Arab for obese... How about backing up a step or two here.
Remember what happened in europe when the Nazis gained control? How anyone who wasnt blond and blue eyed not the arian ideal was considered an enemy of the state.
Or how in my country black people would bleach there skin to look more like the ideal.
What Im getting at is there is no real ideal and the fact that people think its perfectly acceptable to make assumptions about someone or to insult someone is appalling, and honestly you need to get a grip.
besides what makes it your right to verbally abuse a person just because of what they look like?
Weight has no relevance as to who someone is as a person, as we have already witnessed just because your skinny does not mean your sympathetic, loving and kind, in fact honestly your scary.
I truly hope that no one ever treats you they way you have been treating "fatties"... Change your life style.
Posted by: Garrett, Phoenix, AZ on 9:53pm Sun 16 Sep 07
CindyV wrote:
John wrote:
Obesity people are physically disgusting...any one who says otherwise is just being nice.


Disgust is a very personal experience, John. I, for one, find it creeping up my gullet whenever I encounter some self-righteous whiner with adult opinions but a third-grade grasp of the English language.
CindyV: Not everyone on the Internet speaks English as a first or even a second language. John may or may not have an excuse for his mistake-ridden typing and grammar, but his point is clear as can be: obesity is grotesque.
Posted by: Garrett, Phoenix, AZ on 9:56pm Sun 16 Sep 07
Brandon wrote:
Obesity in the US is an epidemic. There are many who point to fast food, food additives, food industry marketing, etc. as the root cause. Folks, the root cause is BEHAVIOR. It's time to take responsibility for your own actions. The fact is, diets in the 1950's were atrocious, consisting of lots of high-fat and carb loaded meals. Yet people here weren't obese. The difference is behavior. In the past, people were more active and probably ate less. And for those of you want to play the socioeconomic card ("poor people cant afford gym memberships and organic food") let me say this: the direction of causation is sloth=&gt;poverty, not the other way around. People know what do to, they are just too lazy to do it.
Bravo, Brandon. Could not have said it better, myself.
Posted by: swarms909, Eugene, Oregon, USA on 10:11pm Sun 16 Sep 07
I honestly like the idea of fat people. Of course, you would never catch me conversing with one of them, but I like that they exist because they help me appear to be attractive in comparison. If I go into a bar and there are a bunch of man boobs, odds are that I'll be going home with a lady. Sure, there are some fat guys who are still more attractive than I am, but most of them are not. Plus, the fat women are more desperate. So, I say, "Let them eat cake."
Posted by: Sandra, USA on 11:20pm Sun 16 Sep 07
I have a Bachelor's degree in Kinesiology (read: exercise science)and in nearly every course I took we were shown a slideshow depicting how the obesity rate has dramatically increased over the years. As few as 10 years ago only 1 in 20 people were obese (with a BMI of over 30) Today, it's 1 in 4. 25% of our nation currently has a BMI of over 30. Need I remind everyone that "normal" weight is a BMI of 19-25. This is a huge range of weight.

There are genetic differences in people, and some people will naturally be bigger than other people. To quote from an earlier example, a small 5'6 is 118 lbs, a large 5'6 is 155. A 200 lb 5'6 is outside of using the "naturally bigger" excuse. (I'm not including people who have medical conditions here)

Everyone here is seriously taking the wrong approach about this. While we shouldn't be near as accepting of larger people as we have been ("Big is beautiful") we shouldn't degrade them or treat them as less than human. Nearly all people who have weight problems know that they do.

Just like smokers need a positive force in their lives supporting their decision to quit smoking, obese individuals need society to acknowledge that obesity is an unhealthy state, and provide support to stop them from continuing on that path.

It's time to stop playing the blame game. Let's stop saying "People are fat because they don't take care of themselves/because of fast food/etc..)" and instead begin saying "People can live healthier lives when they are exercising/eating right/etc.."

Everyone is affected by a larger society, so we need to help with the slimming instead of making the problem worse with name calling and pointing fingers.
Posted by: Jerry Kindall, Seattle, Washington, USA on 11:36pm Sun 16 Sep 07
Be assured that every fat person is aware that people find them repulsive. A fat person who is conducting a survey on the topic might value your input, but otherwise it is not necessary to share.

Fortunately, your jaw muscles will not actually atrophy if you refrain from speaking every thought that enters your head, nor will your fingers grow feeble if you neglect to type your opinions into every Web form you can find. Contrary to popular belief, it is possible to be healthy even if you allow some of your opinions to go unexpressed.

What is most important is for people to be healthy. Many fat people are not. If you really want to reduce the number of fat people you are disgusted by, offer sympathy and support instead of abuse. I do not know of any doctors who recommend listening to self-righteous prickery as an aid to weight loss.
Posted by: MyFault, Portland,USA on 12:36am Mon 17 Sep 07