Scotland has to fight for a fair deal GUEST VOCALS
On new oil negotiations ON THE face of it, this was very good news. After losing the benefits of the oil in the North Sea, Scotland could have a second chance in the eastern Atlantic. Until recently, this has been legally impossible; only the Continental Shelf could be developed. Now the UN has opened up new frontiers in deeper waters - provided the adjoining nations agree.
If Scotland were independent, we would be negotiating the division of 162,935 square miles of sea bed forming the Rockall/Hatton Basin, deemed to be oil-rich. But Scotland is not a negotiating party along with Ireland, Iceland and Denmark (acting for the Faroe Islands) who all have claims. Our seat is occupied by the British government in London. So what's the problem? Surely it will look after Scotland's interests?
But will it? The evidence is that the British government has a habit of ignoring the interests of the Scottish people if they clash with imperial priorities. In the early 1970s, the Heath government sacrificed the needs of the Scottish fishing industry to get into the Common Market. The Common Fisheries Policy surrendered Scottish waters to European competitors. Ever since, Britain has treated fishing as an unimportant British issue.
Evidence from government records, recently issued after 30 years, shows that Westminster governments conspired to deceive the Scottish people as to the value of Scotland's oil, in order to retain the oil revenues for the British Treasury.
Be careful Scotland! We can't trust the Foreign Office to look after our interests. The four negotiating countries are not bound by law on the setting of boundaries, and can mutually agree deals - deals which may not benefit Scotland. As with fishing, Scotland can be ignored. And didn't Downing Street recently do a deal on prisoner transfers to Libya without consulting the Scottish government? Yet we're asked to trust them.
We'd be mad to do so. I have written to Alex Salmond about these negotiations, advising that the Scottish government become involved. We must know what's been agreed in our name and hire lawyers and oil experts so we can ensure any deal is fair. If he is blocked by London, it should be made clear that independent Scotland will not accept a damaging treaty. Mr Salmond should alert the Danish, Irish and Icelandic governments. I am sure the Faroese, represented by Denmark, will be consulted and this will be a powerful argument for the Scottish government to use.
Gordon Wilson is former director of the It's Scotland's Oil campaign
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Posted by: scotyban, council house in dundee on 10:45pm Sat 5 Jan 08
We need more patriots like this author
We need more patriots like this author
Posted by: george alexander, north lanarkshire on 11:09pm Sat 5 Jan 08
[quote]If he is blocked by London, it should be made clear that independent Scotland will not accept a damaging treaty. Mr Salmond should alert the Danish, Irish and Icelandic governments.[/quote]
I agree with this statement, we [bold]cannot[/bold] afford to wait another thirty years to find out what happened at [bold]these[/bold] negotiations.
Let the Scottish press and the Scottish Unionists criticise Salmond if they dare !!
If he is blocked by London, it should be made clear that independent Scotland will not accept a damaging treaty. Mr Salmond should alert the Danish, Irish and Icelandic governments.
I agree with this statement, we
cannot afford to wait another thirty years to find out what happened at
these negotiations.
Let the Scottish press and the Scottish Unionists criticise Salmond if they dare !!
Posted by: Curley Bill, the southwest on 11:51pm Sat 5 Jan 08
Excellent article, Mr Wilson - given Westminster's history of duplicity regarding oil I suggest any posters disagreeing with the article are guilty of either:
a. gross stupidity, or
b. wilful hatred of Scotland and its interests.
Excellent article, Mr Wilson - given Westminster's history of duplicity regarding oil I suggest any posters disagreeing with the article are guilty of either:
a. gross stupidity, or
b. wilful hatred of Scotland and its interests.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 11:58pm Sat 5 Jan 08
[quote][bold]george alexander[/bold] wrote:
[quote]If he is blocked by London, it should be made clear that independent Scotland will not accept a damaging treaty. Mr Salmond should alert the Danish, Irish and Icelandic governments.[/quote]
I agree with this statement, we [bold]cannot[/bold] afford to wait another thirty years to find out what happened at [bold]these[/bold] negotiations.
Let the Scottish press and the Scottish Unionists criticise Salmond if they dare !![/quote] Totally agree with the aryicle and George's comment, unfortunately I just can't see Westminister bowing on this - this is their UNION DIVIDEND - Hard Oil Money....... this is what they will fight tooth & nail to keep hold of.... If th Scottish Government do get to sit in then we will have truely won a wee victory... and an essential one at that
That's not to say that the Scottish Government, the interested public and all Scottish Nationalists if not given a seat shouldn't keep a very close eye on what is agreed and raise concrsn at every opportunity....
It is unimaginable that the wool can be pulled over the country's eyes for another 30 years in today's climate.... no now doubts the massive impact of energy and oil & gas on a nations economy in the 21st century......
george alexander wrote:
If he is blocked by London, it should be made clear that independent Scotland will not accept a damaging treaty. Mr Salmond should alert the Danish, Irish and Icelandic governments.
I agree with this statement, we cannot afford to wait another thirty years to find out what happened at these negotiations.
Let the Scottish press and the Scottish Unionists criticise Salmond if they dare !!
Totally agree with the aryicle and George's comment, unfortunately I just can't see Westminister bowing on this - this is their UNION DIVIDEND - Hard Oil Money....... this is what they will fight tooth & nail to keep hold of.... If th Scottish Government do get to sit in then we will have truely won a wee victory... and an essential one at that
That's not to say that the Scottish Government, the interested public and all Scottish Nationalists if not given a seat shouldn't keep a very close eye on what is agreed and raise concrsn at every opportunity....
It is unimaginable that the wool can be pulled over the country's eyes for another 30 years in today's climate.... no now doubts the massive impact of energy and oil & gas on a nations economy in the 21st century......
Posted by: Gr8 on 12:02am Sun 6 Jan 08
This is interesting news indeed. The SNP saw a surge in popularity when oil was first discovered. They are now in power and enjoying a boost in popularity. These negotiations will go on for the next 5 years at least so will be able to be used to boost SNP votes for Westminster and Holyrood, all they have to remind us of is how they lied before and how if we take advantage of the oil available now in the West we can start afresh and begin doing things more like Norway with an oil trust to ensure our future. I think his is the news Westminster were dreading as of course Scots will want control of negotiations, if they don't let us there will be a landslide vote at the next election, if they get us a bad deal there will again be a landslide election and if they get us a good deal there may also be a landslide election as we'll want to keep the proceeds... rock and a hard place indeed!
This is interesting news indeed. The SNP saw a surge in popularity when oil was first discovered. They are now in power and enjoying a boost in popularity. These negotiations will go on for the next 5 years at least so will be able to be used to boost SNP votes for Westminster and Holyrood, all they have to remind us of is how they lied before and how if we take advantage of the oil available now in the West we can start afresh and begin doing things more like Norway with an oil trust to ensure our future. I think his is the news Westminster were dreading as of course Scots will want control of negotiations, if they don't let us there will be a landslide vote at the next election, if they get us a bad deal there will again be a landslide election and if they get us a good deal there may also be a landslide election as we'll want to keep the proceeds... rock and a hard place indeed!
Posted by: Scamp on 12:26am Sun 6 Jan 08
Hmmm.. Without drilling holes nobody will really know if there is oil there or not. This means that actually we're in the hands of the oil companies unless of course an independent Scotland does the sensible thing and starts a national oil company.
Hmmm.. Without drilling holes nobody will really know if there is oil there or not. This means that actually we're in the hands of the oil companies unless of course an independent Scotland does the sensible thing and starts a national oil company.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 12:39am Sun 6 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Gr8[/bold] wrote:
This is interesting news indeed. The SNP saw a surge in popularity when oil was first discovered. They are now in power and enjoying a boost in popularity. These negotiations will go on for the next 5 years at least so will be able to be used to boost SNP votes for Westminster and Holyrood, all they have to remind us of is how they lied before and how if we take advantage of the oil available now in the West we can start afresh and begin doing things more like Norway with an oil trust to ensure our future. I think his is the news Westminster were dreading as of course Scots will want control of negotiations, if they don't let us there will be a landslide vote at the next election, if they get us a bad deal there will again be a landslide election and if they get us a good deal there may also be a landslide election as we'll want to keep the proceeds... rock and a hard place indeed![/quote] Sooner or later we will have to hear what the projected net benefits that would theoretically acrue to the UK Exchequer.... at that point the proverbial will hit the fan.....
It would be extremely useful if that coincided with 2010/11.....
Gr8 wrote:
This is interesting news indeed. The SNP saw a surge in popularity when oil was first discovered. They are now in power and enjoying a boost in popularity. These negotiations will go on for the next 5 years at least so will be able to be used to boost SNP votes for Westminster and Holyrood, all they have to remind us of is how they lied before and how if we take advantage of the oil available now in the West we can start afresh and begin doing things more like Norway with an oil trust to ensure our future. I think his is the news Westminster were dreading as of course Scots will want control of negotiations, if they don't let us there will be a landslide vote at the next election, if they get us a bad deal there will again be a landslide election and if they get us a good deal there may also be a landslide election as we'll want to keep the proceeds... rock and a hard place indeed!
Sooner or later we will have to hear what the projected net benefits that would theoretically acrue to the UK Exchequer.... at that point the proverbial will hit the fan.....
It would be extremely useful if that coincided with 2010/11.....
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 12:47am Sun 6 Jan 08
Here we go again - the selfish gnats will be buzzing over this thread no doubt.
The benefits of the union are many but as soon as there a chance to get rich the gnats are keen to ditch our partners and gorge themesleves on these alleged spoils.
I say alleged because that's all these are. How do we know this story and this alleged oil is all not just a product of the pieman's (AKA Wee Eck)imagination? A figment of Eck's imagination designed to drive a wedge through the union.
I laughed at the suggestion of a state oil company. "Earth to Gnats - this is 2008". Knobody else in there right minds would suggest a state controlled oil company could work.
The sad truth is the gnats still think it's 1975 and that everything should be run by the state. We know it's unstated objective of the SNP to re-nationalise everything under the sun - this article proves that.
It must be a very paranoid place inside the head of an SNP supporter - why would the Governement in Westminister try to swindle us - they are our government! - it just wouldnt happen.
But don't let the truth get in the way of building a facist stae though eh!
Here we go again - the selfish gnats will be buzzing over this thread no doubt.
The benefits of the union are many but as soon as there a chance to get rich the gnats are keen to ditch our partners and gorge themesleves on these alleged spoils.
I say alleged because that's all these are. How do we know this story and this alleged oil is all not just a product of the pieman's (AKA Wee Eck)imagination? A figment of Eck's imagination designed to drive a wedge through the union.
I laughed at the suggestion of a state oil company. "Earth to Gnats - this is 2008". Knobody else in there right minds would suggest a state controlled oil company could work.
The sad truth is the gnats still think it's 1975 and that everything should be run by the state. We know it's unstated objective of the SNP to re-nationalise everything under the sun - this article proves that.
It must be a very paranoid place inside the head of an SNP supporter - why would the Governement in Westminister try to swindle us - they are our government! - it just wouldnt happen.
But don't let the truth get in the way of building a facist stae though eh!
Posted by: shuggie on 12:55am Sun 6 Jan 08
Proud to be scottish has to be foostie Foulks
Only a tru Brit bampot could think like that
Proud to be scottish has to be foostie Foulks
Only a tru Brit bampot could think like that
Posted by: Curley Bill, the southwest on 1:02am Sun 6 Jan 08
Idiots like 'Proud(?) to be Scottish' are correct - it [italic]isn't[/italic] Scotland's Oil!
While Scotland is a member - junior or otherwise - of the United Kingdom it is up to the government in Westminster to do with the oil as it wills. So the UK Government can use it for the benefit of all the British Isles, or it can bargain it away [italic]a la[/italic] fishing policy, or it can use the profits for the greater glory of London - it is nothing to do with Holyrood and if you're unhappy, tough.
These are the facts, people, and if you don't like it what you gonna do?
UDI, or maybe civil disobedience - or maybe how about wiping out the unionist parties at the next UK elections?
As has been pointed out to me in the past this would be all that's needed - no referendum required.
Our eyes are open to the truth, now and it seems to me we're going to get that rare occurence - a second chance.
We shouldn't squander it.
Idiots like 'Proud(?) to be Scottish' are correct - it
isn't Scotland's Oil!
While Scotland is a member - junior or otherwise - of the United Kingdom it is up to the government in Westminster to do with the oil as it wills. So the UK Government can use it for the benefit of all the British Isles, or it can bargain it away
a la fishing policy, or it can use the profits for the greater glory of London - it is nothing to do with Holyrood and if you're unhappy, tough.
These are the facts, people, and if you don't like it what you gonna do?
UDI, or maybe civil disobedience - or maybe how about wiping out the unionist parties at the next UK elections?
As has been pointed out to me in the past this would be all that's needed - no referendum required.
Our eyes are open to the truth, now and it seems to me we're going to get that rare occurence - a second chance.
We shouldn't squander it.
Posted by: John Saultire, Scotland on 1:11am Sun 6 Jan 08
ITS SCOTLAND'S Oil is only true if Scotland is Independent. Before our neighbour sells us short again in their last imperial act let us say no to further theft and declare ourselves Independent of the thieves. [bold]Why oh why do we let ourselves be mugged by those who insult us?[/bold]
ITS SCOTLAND'S Oil is only true if Scotland is Independent. Before our neighbour sells us short again in their last imperial act let us say no to further theft and declare ourselves Independent of the thieves.
Why oh why do we let ourselves be mugged by those who insult us? Posted by: wenceslas, clacks on 1:13am Sun 6 Jan 08
Is the author the same Gordon Wilson that was leader of the SNP in the "Wilderness Years"?
I have heard of that Gordon Wilson - but not any "It's Scotland's Oil" campaign - other than that produced now and then by the SNP
Is the author the same Gordon Wilson that was leader of the SNP in the "Wilderness Years"?
I have heard of that Gordon Wilson - but not any "It's Scotland's Oil" campaign - other than that produced now and then by the SNP
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 1:17am Sun 6 Jan 08
What actually makes the poster Proud to be Scottish, proud to be Scottish?
I'd really love to know...go on tell us [bold]PtbS[/bold] .....
What actually makes the poster Proud to be Scottish, proud to be Scottish?
I'd really love to know...go on tell us
PtbS .....
Posted by: Ron, Just down the road on 1:19am Sun 6 Jan 08
Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 12:47am
What a stupid, benighted post!
What a sad, sad reflection of the mind of the died in the wool unionist!
Actually "nobody else in their right minds" would for one second suggest that a neighbouring country have complete control to negotiate on the development of one of the future assets of their country, currently proven or not.
"why would the Governement in Westminister try to swindle us - they are our government! - it just wouldnt happen"
You'll have heard of the McCrone report, I suppose.....The last time that the nice people in Westminster decided to lie and cheat its way to BILLIONS courtesy of a gullable Scottish public. They were "our" governmnet then, too.
Information isn't quite so easy to hide these days.....but with enough people like you around, what would they have to worry about? More who knows how many billions to squander on imperialist adventures like Iraq and Afganistan, a new Trident kit for Xmas, and who knows what else.
Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 12:47am
What a stupid, benighted post!
What a sad, sad reflection of the mind of the died in the wool unionist!
Actually "nobody else in their right minds" would for one second suggest that a neighbouring country have complete control to negotiate on the development of one of the future assets of their country, currently proven or not.
"why would the Governement in Westminister try to swindle us - they are our government! - it just wouldnt happen"
You'll have heard of the McCrone report, I suppose.....The last time that the nice people in Westminster decided to lie and cheat its way to BILLIONS courtesy of a gullable Scottish public. They were "our" governmnet then, too.
Information isn't quite so easy to hide these days.....but with enough people like you around, what would they have to worry about? More who knows how many billions to squander on imperialist adventures like Iraq and Afganistan, a new Trident kit for Xmas, and who knows what else.
Posted by: davie dunn on 1:24am Sun 6 Jan 08
just one thing Mr Wilson Denmark is not acting for the Faroe.. The Faroese are leading the team and are the majority of the team ..they have technical expertise and a flag from Denmark :-)
just one thing Mr Wilson Denmark is not acting for the Faroe.. The Faroese are leading the team and are the majority of the team ..they have technical expertise and a flag from Denmark :-)
Posted by: Iain on 1:44am Sun 6 Jan 08
Why do we in Scotland after 30 odd years still stand by and put up with this???? If it had just been revealed that someone had conned the United States out of as much oil then stealth bombers and the USS Nimitz would be involved!!
Why do we in Scotland after 30 odd years still stand by and put up with this???? If it had just been revealed that someone had conned the United States out of as much oil then stealth bombers and the USS Nimitz would be involved!!
Posted by: Sanny, Glasgow on 1:51am Sun 6 Jan 08
Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 12:47am today:
Would you care to identify these benefits we receive by remaining in this enforced Union. If you are so certain of your case it should be a simple matter for you to prove the advantages of remaining tied to a system that has lied and robbed us for years and the disadvantages of retaining all our resources to be used as we see fit.
It is now time for you and your fellow travellers to Put Up or Shut Up!!!
Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 12:47am today:
Would you care to identify these benefits we receive by remaining in this enforced Union. If you are so certain of your case it should be a simple matter for you to prove the advantages of remaining tied to a system that has lied and robbed us for years and the disadvantages of retaining all our resources to be used as we see fit.
It is now time for you and your fellow travellers to Put Up or Shut Up!!!
Posted by: Iain on 1:53am Sun 6 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Curley Bill[/bold] wrote:
Idiots like 'Proud(?) to be Scottish' are correct - it [italic]isn't[/italic] Scotland's Oil! While Scotland is a member - junior or otherwise - of the United Kingdom it is up to the government in Westminster to do with the oil as it wills. So the UK Government can use it for the benefit of all the British Isles, or it can bargain it away [italic]a la[/italic] fishing policy, or it can use the profits for the greater glory of London - it is nothing to do with Holyrood and if you're unhappy, tough. These are the facts, people, and if you don't like it what you gonna do? UDI, or maybe civil disobedience - or maybe how about wiping out the unionist parties at the next UK elections? As has been pointed out to me in the past this would be all that's needed - no referendum required. Our eyes are open to the truth, now and it seems to me we're going to get that rare occurence - a second chance. We shouldn't squander it.[/quote] "the UK Government can use it for the benefit of all the British Isles, or it can bargain it away a la fishing policy, or it can use the profits for the greater glory of London - it is nothing to do with Holyrood and if you're unhappy, tough."
The Easter rising in Ireland was borne of that attitide i.e. that Ireland and its resources (substitute Scotland) belonged to the UK goverment to do with as it wished. A democratic mandate for independence made by the Irish people was denied by Westminster in 1916 and as a result they took up arm. Westminster will cede to the democratic will of the Scottish people otherwise I will take up arms against them
Curley Bill wrote:
Idiots like 'Proud(?) to be Scottish' are correct - it isn't Scotland's Oil! While Scotland is a member - junior or otherwise - of the United Kingdom it is up to the government in Westminster to do with the oil as it wills. So the UK Government can use it for the benefit of all the British Isles, or it can bargain it away a la fishing policy, or it can use the profits for the greater glory of London - it is nothing to do with Holyrood and if you're unhappy, tough. These are the facts, people, and if you don't like it what you gonna do? UDI, or maybe civil disobedience - or maybe how about wiping out the unionist parties at the next UK elections? As has been pointed out to me in the past this would be all that's needed - no referendum required. Our eyes are open to the truth, now and it seems to me we're going to get that rare occurence - a second chance. We shouldn't squander it.
"the UK Government can use it for the benefit of all the British Isles, or it can bargain it away a la fishing policy, or it can use the profits for the greater glory of London - it is nothing to do with Holyrood and if you're unhappy, tough."
The Easter rising in Ireland was borne of that attitide i.e. that Ireland and its resources (substitute Scotland) belonged to the UK goverment to do with as it wished. A democratic mandate for independence made by the Irish people was denied by Westminster in 1916 and as a result they took up arm. Westminster will cede to the democratic will of the Scottish people otherwise I will take up arms against them
Posted by: Iain on 1:58am Sun 6 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Iain[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Curley Bill[/bold] wrote: Idiots like 'Proud(?) to be Scottish' are correct - it [italic]isn't[/italic] Scotland's Oil! While Scotland is a member - junior or otherwise - of the United Kingdom it is up to the government in Westminster to do with the oil as it wills. So the UK Government can use it for the benefit of all the British Isles, or it can bargain it away [italic]a la[/italic] fishing policy, or it can use the profits for the greater glory of London - it is nothing to do with Holyrood and if you're unhappy, tough. These are the facts, people, and if you don't like it what you gonna do? UDI, or maybe civil disobedience - or maybe how about wiping out the unionist parties at the next UK elections? As has been pointed out to me in the past this would be all that's needed - no referendum required. Our eyes are open to the truth, now and it seems to me we're going to get that rare occurence - a second chance. We shouldn't squander it.[/quote] "the UK Government can use it for the benefit of all the British Isles, or it can bargain it away a la fishing policy, or it can use the profits for the greater glory of London - it is nothing to do with Holyrood and if you're unhappy, tough." The Easter rising in Ireland was borne of that attitide i.e. that Ireland and its resources (substitute Scotland) belonged to the UK goverment to do with as it wished. A democratic mandate for independence made by the Irish people was denied by Westminster in 1916 and as a result they took up arm. Westminster will cede to the democratic will of the Scottish people otherwise I will take up arms against them[/quote] "We declare the right of the people of Ireland to the ownership of Ireland, and to the unfettered control of Irish destinies, to be sovereign and indefeasible. The long usurpation of that right by a foreign people and government has not extinguished the right, nor can it ever be extinguished except by the destruction of the Irish people. In every generation the Irish people have asserted their right to national freedom and sovereignty; six times during the last three hundred years they have asserted it to arms. Standing on that fundamental right and again asserting it in arms in the face of the world, we hereby proclaim the Irish Republic as a Sovereign Independent State, and we pledge our lives and the lives of our comrades-in-arms to the cause of its freedom, of its welfare, and of its exaltation among the nations."
The men who made the above declaration (the ones who were not gunned down by british soldiers) were executed for treason.
Iain wrote:
Curley Bill wrote: Idiots like 'Proud(?) to be Scottish' are correct - it isn't Scotland's Oil! While Scotland is a member - junior or otherwise - of the United Kingdom it is up to the government in Westminster to do with the oil as it wills. So the UK Government can use it for the benefit of all the British Isles, or it can bargain it away a la fishing policy, or it can use the profits for the greater glory of London - it is nothing to do with Holyrood and if you're unhappy, tough. These are the facts, people, and if you don't like it what you gonna do? UDI, or maybe civil disobedience - or maybe how about wiping out the unionist parties at the next UK elections? As has been pointed out to me in the past this would be all that's needed - no referendum required. Our eyes are open to the truth, now and it seems to me we're going to get that rare occurence - a second chance. We shouldn't squander it.
"the UK Government can use it for the benefit of all the British Isles, or it can bargain it away a la fishing policy, or it can use the profits for the greater glory of London - it is nothing to do with Holyrood and if you're unhappy, tough." The Easter rising in Ireland was borne of that attitide i.e. that Ireland and its resources (substitute Scotland) belonged to the UK goverment to do with as it wished. A democratic mandate for independence made by the Irish people was denied by Westminster in 1916 and as a result they took up arm. Westminster will cede to the democratic will of the Scottish people otherwise I will take up arms against them
"We declare the right of the people of Ireland to the ownership of Ireland, and to the unfettered control of Irish destinies, to be sovereign and indefeasible. The long usurpation of that right by a foreign people and government has not extinguished the right, nor can it ever be extinguished except by the destruction of the Irish people. In every generation the Irish people have asserted their right to national freedom and sovereignty; six times during the last three hundred years they have asserted it to arms. Standing on that fundamental right and again asserting it in arms in the face of the world, we hereby proclaim the Irish Republic as a Sovereign Independent State, and we pledge our lives and the lives of our comrades-in-arms to the cause of its freedom, of its welfare, and of its exaltation among the nations."
The men who made the above declaration (the ones who were not gunned down by british soldiers) were executed for treason.
Posted by: Iain on 2:04am Sun 6 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Iain[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Iain[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Curley Bill[/bold] wrote: Idiots like 'Proud(?) to be Scottish' are correct - it [italic]isn't[/italic] Scotland's Oil! While Scotland is a member - junior or otherwise - of the United Kingdom it is up to the government in Westminster to do with the oil as it wills. So the UK Government can use it for the benefit of all the British Isles, or it can bargain it away [italic]a la[/italic] fishing policy, or it can use the profits for the greater glory of London - it is nothing to do with Holyrood and if you're unhappy, tough. These are the facts, people, and if you don't like it what you gonna do? UDI, or maybe civil disobedience - or maybe how about wiping out the unionist parties at the next UK elections? As has been pointed out to me in the past this would be all that's needed - no referendum required. Our eyes are open to the truth, now and it seems to me we're going to get that rare occurence - a second chance. We shouldn't squander it.[/quote] "the UK Government can use it for the benefit of all the British Isles, or it can bargain it away a la fishing policy, or it can use the profits for the greater glory of London - it is nothing to do with Holyrood and if you're unhappy, tough." The Easter rising in Ireland was borne of that attitide i.e. that Ireland and its resources (substitute Scotland) belonged to the UK goverment to do with as it wished. A democratic mandate for independence made by the Irish people was denied by Westminster in 1916 and as a result they took up arm. Westminster will cede to the democratic will of the Scottish people otherwise I will take up arms against them[/quote] "We declare the right of the people of Ireland to the ownership of Ireland, and to the unfettered control of Irish destinies, to be sovereign and indefeasible. The long usurpation of that right by a foreign people and government has not extinguished the right, nor can it ever be extinguished except by the destruction of the Irish people. In every generation the Irish people have asserted their right to national freedom and sovereignty; six times during the last three hundred years they have asserted it to arms. Standing on that fundamental right and again asserting it in arms in the face of the world, we hereby proclaim the Irish Republic as a Sovereign Independent State, and we pledge our lives and the lives of our comrades-in-arms to the cause of its freedom, of its welfare, and of its exaltation among the nations." The men who made the above declaration (the ones who were not gunned down by british soldiers) were executed for treason.[/quote] And now half of Dublin is named after them.
I Heard a quote recently "The Scots are like the Irish but without balls". Personally I think too many of us are just brainwashed by the Daily Retard
Iain wrote:
Iain wrote: Curley Bill wrote: Idiots like 'Proud(?) to be Scottish' are correct - it isn't Scotland's Oil! While Scotland is a member - junior or otherwise - of the United Kingdom it is up to the government in Westminster to do with the oil as it wills. So the UK Government can use it for the benefit of all the British Isles, or it can bargain it away a la fishing policy, or it can use the profits for the greater glory of London - it is nothing to do with Holyrood and if you're unhappy, tough. These are the facts, people, and if you don't like it what you gonna do? UDI, or maybe civil disobedience - or maybe how about wiping out the unionist parties at the next UK elections? As has been pointed out to me in the past this would be all that's needed - no referendum required. Our eyes are open to the truth, now and it seems to me we're going to get that rare occurence - a second chance. We shouldn't squander it.
"the UK Government can use it for the benefit of all the British Isles, or it can bargain it away a la fishing policy, or it can use the profits for the greater glory of London - it is nothing to do with Holyrood and if you're unhappy, tough." The Easter rising in Ireland was borne of that attitide i.e. that Ireland and its resources (substitute Scotland) belonged to the UK goverment to do with as it wished. A democratic mandate for independence made by the Irish people was denied by Westminster in 1916 and as a result they took up arm. Westminster will cede to the democratic will of the Scottish people otherwise I will take up arms against them
"We declare the right of the people of Ireland to the ownership of Ireland, and to the unfettered control of Irish destinies, to be sovereign and indefeasible. The long usurpation of that right by a foreign people and government has not extinguished the right, nor can it ever be extinguished except by the destruction of the Irish people. In every generation the Irish people have asserted their right to national freedom and sovereignty; six times during the last three hundred years they have asserted it to arms. Standing on that fundamental right and again asserting it in arms in the face of the world, we hereby proclaim the Irish Republic as a Sovereign Independent State, and we pledge our lives and the lives of our comrades-in-arms to the cause of its freedom, of its welfare, and of its exaltation among the nations." The men who made the above declaration (the ones who were not gunned down by british soldiers) were executed for treason.
And now half of Dublin is named after them.
I Heard a quote recently "The Scots are like the Irish but without balls". Personally I think too many of us are just brainwashed by the Daily Retard
Posted by: Sanny, Glasgow on 2:12am Sun 6 Jan 08
May I suggest that those who are not familiar with how Westminster treated Scotland over Oil revenues in the past, read the Herald Forum @ “Even “Proud to be Scottish” could not fail to be convinced unless as I suspect s/he is a total idiot.
Perhaps we Scots need to look at how our once supporters in the Auld Alliance react when they disagree with government decisions. The French take to the streets and bring the nation to a halt.
May I suggest that those who are not familiar with how Westminster treated Scotland over Oil revenues in the past, read the Herald Forum @ “Even “Proud to be Scottish” could not fail to be convinced unless as I suspect s/he is a total idiot.
Perhaps we Scots need to look at how our once supporters in the Auld Alliance react when they disagree with government decisions. The French take to the streets and bring the nation to a halt.
Posted by: chris, canada on 2:20am Sun 6 Jan 08
and then there is the most likely alternative: the UK government will dispose of the oil not to benefit the people of Scotland or the people of the UK generally but to increase the profits of the oil companies.
and then there is the most likely alternative: the UK government will dispose of the oil not to benefit the people of Scotland or the people of the UK generally but to increase the profits of the oil companies.
Posted by: Sanny, Glasgow on 2:23am Sun 6 Jan 08
Sorry for some reason the address was not printed so I'll try again. If it is removed again goto Herald Forum and click on "State of the Nation" then click on "And Mineral Wealth is only part of the story!".
These documents should be dynamite at the next election. In my opinion they would justifycalling for a UDI!
forum. theherald. co.uk /viewtopic .php?t=553
Sorry for some reason the address was not printed so I'll try again. If it is removed again goto Herald Forum and click on "State of the Nation" then click on "And Mineral Wealth is only part of the story!".
These documents should be dynamite at the next election. In my opinion they would justifycalling for a UDI!
forum. theherald. co.uk /viewtopic .php?t=553
Posted by: Yok Finney, Ross-shire on 2:40am Sun 6 Jan 08
[quote]after 30 odd years[/quote]
It's been more than 30 years of asset-stripping and moving most of the productive economy of Britain overseas where labour was alot cheaper while financiers of the City of London spun their casino economy. Token figures like Thatcher, Major and Blair were the delusional front for parliamentary democracy.
Scots tend to be good systems players whether running the royal bank of scotland or a drugs cartel in Glasgow and can play the legalese.
But these selfish sort will sink us into a piece of mere real estate (mansions for the rich, shooting parties, and a useful sink for toxic waste nuclear and otherwise) on the fringes of eurobank unless we learn, understand, agitate, organise, mobilise as a Nation.
after 30 odd years
It's been more than 30 years of asset-stripping and moving most of the productive economy of Britain overseas where labour was alot cheaper while financiers of the City of London spun their casino economy. Token figures like Thatcher, Major and Blair were the delusional front for parliamentary democracy.
Scots tend to be good systems players whether running the royal bank of scotland or a drugs cartel in Glasgow and can play the legalese.
But these selfish sort will sink us into a piece of mere real estate (mansions for the rich, shooting parties, and a useful sink for toxic waste nuclear and otherwise) on the fringes of eurobank unless we learn, understand, agitate, organise, mobilise as a Nation.
Posted by: Tom McAlister on 2:53am Sun 6 Jan 08
Has Westminster not learned anything from its dismal fifty year record of "might is right"?
It appears not. Perhaps they should be forcefully reminded of the law of diminishing returns, particularly in the light of the Westminster government's increasing non credibility with "the regions". To go into such discussions without the full participation of at least some learned representation who put Scotland's interests before others. This shows how much contempt they hold for conversation with those that many perceive have the duty to put Scotland's interests and well being first and foremost and are doing so with their competent representation.
Bearing in mind previous UK administrations and their willing adversity to transparency when it comes to informing Scots of important matters pertaining to their future well being,
[bold]Do we really consider it beneficial to have the UK governance acting in our best interests? Do we consider them competent to do so?
Or will " other interested " parties have more consideration than the interests of Scotland?
Will Scotland be conned again and will some Scots be aiders and abettors in the act,a variation of that what has gone before? [/bold]
Has Westminster not learned anything from its dismal fifty year record of "might is right"?
It appears not. Perhaps they should be forcefully reminded of the law of diminishing returns, particularly in the light of the Westminster government's increasing non credibility with "the regions". To go into such discussions without the full participation of at least some learned representation who put Scotland's interests before others. This shows how much contempt they hold for conversation with those that many perceive have the duty to put Scotland's interests and well being first and foremost and are doing so with their competent representation.
Bearing in mind previous UK administrations and their willing adversity to transparency when it comes to informing Scots of important matters pertaining to their future well being,
Do we really consider it beneficial to have the UK governance acting in our best interests? Do we consider them competent to do so?
Or will " other interested " parties have more consideration than the interests of Scotland?
Will Scotland be conned again and will some Scots be aiders and abettors in the act,a variation of that what has gone before?
Posted by: Nat Liars on 4:24am Sun 6 Jan 08
How typically dishonest of this Nat rag of a paper not to mention that the author is a former leader of the SNP.
Nor do they point out that "It's Scotland's Oil" wasn't a campaign - it was a slogan. And a pretty selfish one at that.
Fortunately most Scots are not daft or selfish.
How typically dishonest of this Nat rag of a paper not to mention that the author is a former leader of the SNP.
Nor do they point out that "It's Scotland's Oil" wasn't a campaign - it was a slogan. And a pretty selfish one at that.
Fortunately most Scots are not daft or selfish.
Posted by: John F on 5:48am Sun 6 Jan 08
The McCrone Report: BBC News- 12 September 2005
Written by a leading government economist in 1974, it sets out how oil would have given Scotland one of the strongest currencies in Europe.
The report by Professor Gavin McCrone also stated that Scotland would have had "embarrassingly" large tax surpluses.
And who was in Government in 1974 - Yes the Labour Party which buried the evidence.
The McCrone Report: BBC News- 12 September 2005
Written by a leading government economist in 1974, it sets out how oil would have given Scotland one of the strongest currencies in Europe.
The report by Professor Gavin McCrone also stated that Scotland would have had "embarrassingly" large tax surpluses.
And who was in Government in 1974 - Yes the Labour Party which buried the evidence.
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 8:02am Sun 6 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Wardog[/bold] wrote:
What actually makes the poster Proud to be Scottish, proud to be Scottish? I'd really love to know...go on tell us [bold]PtbS[/bold] .....[/quote] Wardog the buzzing gnat:-
I'm proud to be Scottish because it's the best wee country in the world. I know the gnats hate that phrase solely because it came about from Labour.
I'm proud that we are part of Britain - one of the strongest countries in the world.
I'm proud that my voice is heard at the top table in Europe.
I'm proud that Britain is one of the leaders of the free world.
I'm proud that we intervene to aid those in need anywhere in the world.
I'm proud that Gordon Brown is a fellow Scot and leads Britain and therefore Scotland.
I'm proud that us Scots have for decades supported the party that supports us and looks after us.
I'm proud that we have a unique culture.
Let me say it again wardog:-
I'M PROUD TO BE SCOTTISH
You on the other hand are obviously not proud to be Scottish, you talk us down all the time, you talk down our achievments in a cynical attempt to make us feel we are hard done to.
I love my neighbours (the English), you hate the English.
You see hate as what defines us, I see togetherness.
You say we are weak, I say we are strong.
Would you like me to go on?- I won't imbarese you anymore.
Wardog wrote:
What actually makes the poster Proud to be Scottish, proud to be Scottish? I'd really love to know...go on tell us PtbS .....
Wardog the buzzing gnat:-
I'm proud to be Scottish because it's the best wee country in the world. I know the gnats hate that phrase solely because it came about from Labour.
I'm proud that we are part of Britain - one of the strongest countries in the world.
I'm proud that my voice is heard at the top table in Europe.
I'm proud that Britain is one of the leaders of the free world.
I'm proud that we intervene to aid those in need anywhere in the world.
I'm proud that Gordon Brown is a fellow Scot and leads Britain and therefore Scotland.
I'm proud that us Scots have for decades supported the party that supports us and looks after us.
I'm proud that we have a unique culture.
Let me say it again wardog:-
I'M PROUD TO BE SCOTTISH
You on the other hand are obviously not proud to be Scottish, you talk us down all the time, you talk down our achievments in a cynical attempt to make us feel we are hard done to.
I love my neighbours (the English), you hate the English.
You see hate as what defines us, I see togetherness.
You say we are weak, I say we are strong.
Would you like me to go on?- I won't imbarese you anymore.
Posted by: bullyweealba, Edinburgh on 8:21am Sun 6 Jan 08
Proud to be an imbecile writes:-
“Would you like me to go on?- I won't imbarese you anymore.”
I wonder who exactly you think should be embarrassed?
Proud to be an imbecile writes:-
“Would you like me to go on?- I won't imbarese you anymore.”
I wonder who exactly you think should be embarrassed?
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 8:43am Sun 6 Jan 08
[quote]Posted by: scotyban, council house in dundee on 10:45pm Sat 5 Jan 08
We need more patriots like this author
We need more patriots like this author[/quote] Scotland does. That's who.
Posted by: scotyban, council house in dundee on 10:45pm Sat 5 Jan 08
We need more patriots like this author
We need more patriots like this author
Scotland does. That's who.
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 8:44am Sun 6 Jan 08
[quote]Posted by: scotyban, council house in dundee on 10:45pm Sat 5 Jan 08
We need more patriots like this author
We need more patriots like this author[/quote] Scotland does. That's who.
Posted by: scotyban, council house in dundee on 10:45pm Sat 5 Jan 08
We need more patriots like this author
We need more patriots like this author
Scotland does. That's who.
Posted by: Stewart McDonald, Glasgow on 8:48am Sun 6 Jan 08
Proud to be Scottish... I want you to consider this!
You say your voice is heard at the top table of Europe, then why are Scottish MEP's only allowed to listen in from another room on debates regarding fisheries and not allowed to contribute?
You say that Britain is a leader in the free world. The world says that Britain has the blood of millions on it's hands throughout history and even presently in Iraq and afghanistan.
You say you're proud that Britain intervenes to offer aid in the world. I say Britain stepped in to ruin a country, squander it's oil wealth with the americans and simply run a mass murder campaign.
You say you're proud that Gordon Brown is a Scot and runs Britain. I say that Gordon Brown is the most embaressing Scottish politician and desperatley tries to English at all attempts. I'd also like to remind you that GB has no authority over Scottish domestic issues as they are devolved, only England and partly Wales.
You say that labour is a party that has always looked after Scotland. What were they doing decieving Scotland about her oil wealth? Why did they take us in to a war that the majority of Scots don't want? Why are they wasting £100 billion pound on trident renewal? Why did the last executive see poverty RISE to 1 in 4? Council tax up 60%? Pensions raided and cut consistently?
I do agree that we, Scotland, has a very unique culture and I'm proud of that!
Let me make it clear, I am proud to be Scottish, [bold]bold[/bold] NOT BRITISH [bold]bold[/bold] I have never been British and I never will be British. Anything done by the British government is not done in my name.
I too like England our neighbours, that's why I want a new and equal relationship with them so that we can both work better together as 2 independent nations.
I don't see hate as defining us, I see common strength to run our own affairs is what defines us. The ability to work as a nation in the modern world.
I don't say we are weak, I say we are strong. Strong enough to run our own country! The only people who said we are weak are the labour party back in May's elections who spoke of independence as if the plagues of Egypt were descending on Scotland. They continuously talk Scotland down, we talk Scotland up to what it can and should be!
I would love you to go on, at the risk of embaressing yourself further!
Don't you or anyone else from your labour party ever tell this country that we cannot run our own affairs! It's an argument that doesn't stack up, doesn't have the sense to be valid and thus shouldn't even be listened to! You should hang your head in shame. You make a mockery of your own people!
Proud to be Scottish... I want you to consider this!
You say your voice is heard at the top table of Europe, then why are Scottish MEP's only allowed to listen in from another room on debates regarding fisheries and not allowed to contribute?
You say that Britain is a leader in the free world. The world says that Britain has the blood of millions on it's hands throughout history and even presently in Iraq and afghanistan.
You say you're proud that Britain intervenes to offer aid in the world. I say Britain stepped in to ruin a country, squander it's oil wealth with the americans and simply run a mass murder campaign.
You say you're proud that Gordon Brown is a Scot and runs Britain. I say that Gordon Brown is the most embaressing Scottish politician and desperatley tries to English at all attempts. I'd also like to remind you that GB has no authority over Scottish domestic issues as they are devolved, only England and partly Wales.
You say that labour is a party that has always looked after Scotland. What were they doing decieving Scotland about her oil wealth? Why did they take us in to a war that the majority of Scots don't want? Why are they wasting £100 billion pound on trident renewal? Why did the last executive see poverty RISE to 1 in 4? Council tax up 60%? Pensions raided and cut consistently?
I do agree that we, Scotland, has a very unique culture and I'm proud of that!
Let me make it clear, I am proud to be Scottish, NOT BRITISH I have never been British and I never will be British. Anything done by the British government is not done in my name.
I too like England our neighbours, that's why I want a new and equal relationship with them so that we can both work better together as 2 independent nations.
I don't see hate as defining us, I see common strength to run our own affairs is what defines us. The ability to work as a nation in the modern world.
I don't say we are weak, I say we are strong. Strong enough to run our own country! The only people who said we are weak are the labour party back in May's elections who spoke of independence as if the plagues of Egypt were descending on Scotland. They continuously talk Scotland down, we talk Scotland up to what it can and should be!
I would love you to go on, at the risk of embaressing yourself further!
Don't you or anyone else from your labour party ever tell this country that we cannot run our own affairs! It's an argument that doesn't stack up, doesn't have the sense to be valid and thus shouldn't even be listened to! You should hang your head in shame. You make a mockery of your own people!
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 9:16am Sun 6 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Stewart McDonald[/bold] wrote:
Proud to be Scottish... I want you to consider this! You say your voice is heard at the top table of Europe, then why are Scottish MEP's only allowed to listen in from another room on debates regarding fisheries and not allowed to contribute? You say that Britain is a leader in the free world. The world says that Britain has the blood of millions on it's hands throughout history and even presently in Iraq and afghanistan. You say you're proud that Britain intervenes to offer aid in the world. I say Britain stepped in to ruin a country, squander it's oil wealth with the americans and simply run a mass murder campaign. You say you're proud that Gordon Brown is a Scot and runs Britain. I say that Gordon Brown is the most embaressing Scottish politician and desperatley tries to English at all attempts. I'd also like to remind you that GB has no authority over Scottish domestic issues as they are devolved, only England and partly Wales. You say that labour is a party that has always looked after Scotland. What were they doing decieving Scotland about her oil wealth? Why did they take us in to a war that the majority of Scots don't want? Why are they wasting £100 billion pound on trident renewal? Why did the last executive see poverty RISE to 1 in 4? Council tax up 60%? Pensions raided and cut consistently? I do agree that we, Scotland, has a very unique culture and I'm proud of that! Let me make it clear, I am proud to be Scottish, [bold]bold[/bold] NOT BRITISH [bold]bold[/bold] I have never been British and I never will be British. Anything done by the British government is not done in my name. I too like England our neighbours, that's why I want a new and equal relationship with them so that we can both work better together as 2 independent nations. I don't see hate as defining us, I see common strength to run our own affairs is what defines us. The ability to work as a nation in the modern world. I don't say we are weak, I say we are strong. Strong enough to run our own country! The only people who said we are weak are the labour party back in May's elections who spoke of independence as if the plagues of Egypt were descending on Scotland. They continuously talk Scotland down, we talk Scotland up to what it can and should be! I would love you to go on, at the risk of embaressing yourself further! Don't you or anyone else from your labour party ever tell this country that we cannot run our own affairs! It's an argument that doesn't stack up, doesn't have the sense to be valid and thus shouldn't even be listened to! You should hang your head in shame. You make a mockery of your own people![/quote] Uber Brainwashed Little Scotlander.
I think you will find that the Labour Party has been running our affairs for quite sometime.
Here is the simple difference between the SNP and Labour:-
SNP - glass half full
Labour - glass half empty.
SNP - negative
Labour - positive
SNP - Racist (Nationialist)
Labour - Internationalist
SNP - Inward
Labour - Outward
SNP - backward looking tartan tinted shortbread tin (non) vision
Labour - futuristic vision
SNP - Lies and half truths - decieving the people of Scotland
Labour - open government by the people for the people.
SNP - Tartan Tories
Labour - A party of unwavering principles.
SNP - spin
Labour - policies
Would you like me to go on?
Stewart McDonald wrote:
Proud to be Scottish... I want you to consider this! You say your voice is heard at the top table of Europe, then why are Scottish MEP's only allowed to listen in from another room on debates regarding fisheries and not allowed to contribute? You say that Britain is a leader in the free world. The world says that Britain has the blood of millions on it's hands throughout history and even presently in Iraq and afghanistan. You say you're proud that Britain intervenes to offer aid in the world. I say Britain stepped in to ruin a country, squander it's oil wealth with the americans and simply run a mass murder campaign. You say you're proud that Gordon Brown is a Scot and runs Britain. I say that Gordon Brown is the most embaressing Scottish politician and desperatley tries to English at all attempts. I'd also like to remind you that GB has no authority over Scottish domestic issues as they are devolved, only England and partly Wales. You say that labour is a party that has always looked after Scotland. What were they doing decieving Scotland about her oil wealth? Why did they take us in to a war that the majority of Scots don't want? Why are they wasting £100 billion pound on trident renewal? Why did the last executive see poverty RISE to 1 in 4? Council tax up 60%? Pensions raided and cut consistently? I do agree that we, Scotland, has a very unique culture and I'm proud of that! Let me make it clear, I am proud to be Scottish, NOT BRITISH I have never been British and I never will be British. Anything done by the British government is not done in my name. I too like England our neighbours, that's why I want a new and equal relationship with them so that we can both work better together as 2 independent nations. I don't see hate as defining us, I see common strength to run our own affairs is what defines us. The ability to work as a nation in the modern world. I don't say we are weak, I say we are strong. Strong enough to run our own country! The only people who said we are weak are the labour party back in May's elections who spoke of independence as if the plagues of Egypt were descending on Scotland. They continuously talk Scotland down, we talk Scotland up to what it can and should be! I would love you to go on, at the risk of embaressing yourself further! Don't you or anyone else from your labour party ever tell this country that we cannot run our own affairs! It's an argument that doesn't stack up, doesn't have the sense to be valid and thus shouldn't even be listened to! You should hang your head in shame. You make a mockery of your own people!
Uber Brainwashed Little Scotlander.
I think you will find that the Labour Party has been running our affairs for quite sometime.
Here is the simple difference between the SNP and Labour:-
SNP - glass half full
Labour - glass half empty.
SNP - negative
Labour - positive
SNP - Racist (Nationialist)
Labour - Internationalist
SNP - Inward
Labour - Outward
SNP - backward looking tartan tinted shortbread tin (non) vision
Labour - futuristic vision
SNP - Lies and half truths - decieving the people of Scotland
Labour - open government by the people for the people.
SNP - Tartan Tories
Labour - A party of unwavering principles.
SNP - spin
Labour - policies
Would you like me to go on?
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 9:19am Sun 6 Jan 08
That was supposed to say:-
SNP - glass half empty
Labour - glass half full
- obviously ( wait for the Cyber gnats to try and make a big point out of it)
That was supposed to say:-
SNP - glass half empty
Labour - glass half full
- obviously ( wait for the Cyber gnats to try and make a big point out of it)
Posted by: nouveauxscum on 9:35am Sun 6 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Proud to be Scottish[/bold] wrote:
That was supposed to say:- SNP - glass half empty Labour - glass half full - obviously ( wait for the Cyber gnats to try and make a big point out of it)[/quote] Absolutely no need, you are doing a grand job all by yourself.
LOL
Proud to be Scottish wrote:
That was supposed to say:- SNP - glass half empty Labour - glass half full - obviously ( wait for the Cyber gnats to try and make a big point out of it)
Absolutely no need, you are doing a grand job all by yourself.
LOL
Posted by: Disgusted Dorothy, Glasgow on 9:48am Sun 6 Jan 08
Stewart McDonald,well said sir!
Well written and to the point,should be published!!
Proud to be Scottish,hard cheese,pal,you've been trounced,again!
Stewart McDonald,well said sir!
Well written and to the point,should be published!!
Proud to be Scottish,hard cheese,pal,you've been trounced,again!
Posted by: graeme, edinburgh on 10:04am Sun 6 Jan 08
Dear Proud to be Scottish
Labour Policies - 1. bomb people illegally (heh their not Christian afterall). 2. Take money illeaglly (heh the voters are stupid aren;t they) 3. reduce chikld poverty by oh dear we failed them (again) - och so what they're only kids of poor people they never vote anyway
Labour open government - every been to Lanarkshire? Make sure your on the right side of the divide first though
Labout outward looking - to where the next war and dodgey money is
Please don't insult your intelligence - do you really hold that view given what Tory Blair and G.Brown have done to not just Scotland but the rest of Britian and the world too? Or are you Alf young in disguise?
Dear Proud to be Scottish
Labour Policies - 1. bomb people illegally (heh their not Christian afterall). 2. Take money illeaglly (heh the voters are stupid aren;t they) 3. reduce chikld poverty by oh dear we failed them (again) - och so what they're only kids of poor people they never vote anyway
Labour open government - every been to Lanarkshire? Make sure your on the right side of the divide first though
Labout outward looking - to where the next war and dodgey money is
Please don't insult your intelligence - do you really hold that view given what Tory Blair and G.Brown have done to not just Scotland but the rest of Britian and the world too? Or are you Alf young in disguise?
Posted by: bullyweealba, Edinburgh on 10:10am Sun 6 Jan 08
Proud to be an imbecile writes:-
“The sad truth is the gnats still think it's 1975 and that everything should be run by the state. We know it's unstated objective of the SNP to re-nationalise everything under the sun - this article proves that.”
“SNP - Tartan Tories”
I am curious as to how you can reconcile the above two statements?
Proud to be an imbecile writes:-
“The sad truth is the gnats still think it's 1975 and that everything should be run by the state. We know it's unstated objective of the SNP to re-nationalise everything under the sun - this article proves that.”
“SNP - Tartan Tories”
I am curious as to how you can reconcile the above two statements?
Posted by: bob, miles oot on 10:15am Sun 6 Jan 08
proud......Put down the daily rectum for a minute and pick up a copy of the times,daily mail or telegraph and you will see what the good people of england make of your great leader gogsy broon and that corrupt war mongering lying bunch of ex strathclyde cooncillors ie. nu labour. They absolutely detest them and cannot wait for the next election so they can completely wipe them off the face of the political map by voting tory. How will that sit on your blinkered shoulders having a party in power in london that only puts england first.
proud......Put down the daily rectum for a minute and pick up a copy of the times,daily mail or telegraph and you will see what the good people of england make of your great leader gogsy broon and that corrupt war mongering lying bunch of ex strathclyde cooncillors ie. nu labour. They absolutely detest them and cannot wait for the next election so they can completely wipe them off the face of the political map by voting tory. How will that sit on your blinkered shoulders having a party in power in london that only puts england first.
Posted by: bill connor, fife on 10:17am Sun 6 Jan 08
proud to be scottish - anything but..
You haven't listed anything of what scotland has gained by the union..all you have said is that you are proud to be a dishcloth for another country whilst thinking that you are infact part of that other country..are you really scottish???
proud to be scottish - anything but..
You haven't listed anything of what scotland has gained by the union..all you have said is that you are proud to be a dishcloth for another country whilst thinking that you are infact part of that other country..are you really scottish???
Posted by: Saul Tyre, Germany on 10:19am Sun 6 Jan 08
Proud to be Scottish wrote about the Labour Dinosaur Party:
glass half empty, positive, internationalist, outward, futuristic vision, open government by the people for the people, a party of unwavering principles, policies....
And he really means it. I think he's been on a diet of too many Daily Records. I notice he didn't include 'corrupt' and 'well past best-by-date'.
Proud to be Scottish wrote about the Labour Dinosaur Party:
glass half empty, positive, internationalist, outward, futuristic vision, open government by the people for the people, a party of unwavering principles, policies....
And he really means it. I think he's been on a diet of too many Daily Records. I notice he didn't include 'corrupt' and 'well past best-by-date'.
Posted by: Ken Mac, Glasgow on 10:21am Sun 6 Jan 08
Stewart McDonald - excellent post.
Proud to be Scottish. I can't make up my mind whether you are totally deluded or just winding everybody up. Your post at 9.16am is classic Labour speak. Every single thing in your list is the exact opposite of the truth.
Stewart McDonald - excellent post.
Proud to be Scottish. I can't make up my mind whether you are totally deluded or just winding everybody up. Your post at 9.16am is classic Labour speak. Every single thing in your list is the exact opposite of the truth.
Posted by: Dougie Douglas, Brisbane on 10:26am Sun 6 Jan 08
Proud to be a Rectum said:-
"I laughed at the suggestion of a state oil company. "Earth to Gnats - this is 2008". Knobody else in there right minds would suggest a state controlled oil company could work "
I'm no expert on the finer points of Norwegian, but would the oil giant 'STATOIL' perhaps be a state controlled company? - can anyone confirm this?
Proud to be a Rectum said:-
"I laughed at the suggestion of a state oil company. "Earth to Gnats - this is 2008". Knobody else in there right minds would suggest a state controlled oil company could work "
I'm no expert on the finer points of Norwegian, but would the oil giant 'STATOIL' perhaps be a state controlled company? - can anyone confirm this?
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 10:32am Sun 6 Jan 08
Proud to be Scottish wrote:
Wardog wrote:
What actually makes the poster Proud to be Scottish, proud to be Scottish? I'd really love to know...go on tell us[bold] PtbS[/bold] .....
Wardog the buzzing gnat:-
I'm proud to be Scottish because it's the[bold] best wee country in the world[/bold] . I know the gnats hate that phrase solely because it came about from Labour.
I'm proud that we are part of Britain - one of the strongest countries in the world. [bold]Can you clarify for us what makesthe uk strong?[/bold]
I'm proud that my voice is heard at the top table in Europe.
[bold]To do what, what benefits has this brought to Scotland?[/bold]
I'm proud that Britain is one of the leaders of the free world.
[bold]Who else is in this 'Free' World and who isn't?[/bold]
I'm proud that we intervene to aid those in need anywhere in the world.
I'm proud that Gordon Brown is a fellow Scot and leads Britain and therefore Scotland.
I'm proud that us Scots have for decades supported the party that supports us and looks after us. [bold]Labour I presume? - What do you mean by 'supports us'? - Supports us where?[/bold]
I'm proud that we have a unique culture.
[bold]Love this one, Can you help me out with it, how are we unique?[/bold]
Let me say it again wardog:-
I'M PROUD TO BE SCOTTISH
You on the other hand are obviously not proud to be Scottish, you talk us down all the time, you talk down our achievments in a cynical attempt to make us feel we are hard done to.
I love my neighbours (the English), you hate the English.
[bold]Can you point me to a single post where I have even used the word 'english' or england?[/bold]
You see hate as what defines us, I see togetherness.
[bold]It would appear to everyone else on this forum that it is you that is full of hate may friend, your the one castigating folk fbut not backing it up with s hred of evidence[/bold]
You say we are weak, I say we are strong.
[bold]Again, can you put me to a posting where I've said this?[/bold]
Would you like me to go on?- I won't imbarese you anymore.
[bold]Your only embarrassing yourself PtbS, could you ansert he above for me too?[/bold]
Proud to be Scottish wrote:
Wardog wrote:
What actually makes the poster Proud to be Scottish, proud to be Scottish? I'd really love to know...go on tell us
PtbS .....
Wardog the buzzing gnat:-
I'm proud to be Scottish because it's the
best wee country in the world . I know the gnats hate that phrase solely because it came about from Labour.
I'm proud that we are part of Britain - one of the strongest countries in the world.
Can you clarify for us what makesthe uk strong?
I'm proud that my voice is heard at the top table in Europe.
To do what, what benefits has this brought to Scotland?
I'm proud that Britain is one of the leaders of the free world.
Who else is in this 'Free' World and who isn't?
I'm proud that we intervene to aid those in need anywhere in the world.
I'm proud that Gordon Brown is a fellow Scot and leads Britain and therefore Scotland.
I'm proud that us Scots have for decades supported the party that supports us and looks after us.
Labour I presume? - What do you mean by 'supports us'? - Supports us where?
I'm proud that we have a unique culture.
Love this one, Can you help me out with it, how are we unique?
Let me say it again wardog:-
I'M PROUD TO BE SCOTTISH
You on the other hand are obviously not proud to be Scottish, you talk us down all the time, you talk down our achievments in a cynical attempt to make us feel we are hard done to.
I love my neighbours (the English), you hate the English.
Can you point me to a single post where I have even used the word 'english' or england?
You see hate as what defines us, I see togetherness.
It would appear to everyone else on this forum that it is you that is full of hate may friend, your the one castigating folk fbut not backing it up with s hred of evidence
You say we are weak, I say we are strong.
Again, can you put me to a posting where I've said this?
Would you like me to go on?- I won't imbarese you anymore.
Your only embarrassing yourself PtbS, could you ansert he above for me too? Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 10:35am Sun 6 Jan 08
The gants have only one record and they keep on playing it:-
'We've been robbed and It's all Englands Fault'
Wa wa wa.
Has it ever occured to any of you half-wits that the people of Scotland repeatedly choose Labour as they can see through the facist nonsense that is SNP policy.
SNP Foreign Policy would be to rebuild Hadrians Wall, kick out all the English, and trade solely with Iceland and Ireland.
If you want to go back to the dark ages vote SNP - it's as simple as that.
Anyone with half a brain can see the writing on the wall with all the picking of fights with the English already being done by the pieman (Wee (not so) Eck). The SNP has senior people who are the sons of Nazi's - FACT.
My grandfather didn't fight the Nazi's for them to rule Scotland.
The gants have only one record and they keep on playing it:-
'We've been robbed and It's all Englands Fault'
Wa wa wa.
Has it ever occured to any of you half-wits that the people of Scotland repeatedly choose Labour as they can see through the facist nonsense that is SNP policy.
SNP Foreign Policy would be to rebuild Hadrians Wall, kick out all the English, and trade solely with Iceland and Ireland.
If you want to go back to the dark ages vote SNP - it's as simple as that.
Anyone with half a brain can see the writing on the wall with all the picking of fights with the English already being done by the pieman (Wee (not so) Eck). The SNP has senior people who are the sons of Nazi's - FACT.
My grandfather didn't fight the Nazi's for them to rule Scotland.
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 10:40am Sun 6 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Wardog[/bold] wrote:
Proud to be Scottish wrote: Wardog wrote: What actually makes the poster Proud to be Scottish, proud to be Scottish? I'd really love to know...go on tell us[bold] PtbS[/bold] ..... Wardog the buzzing gnat:- I'm proud to be Scottish because it's the[bold] best wee country in the world[/bold] . I know the gnats hate that phrase solely because it came about from Labour. I'm proud that we are part of Britain - one of the strongest countries in the world. [bold]Can you clarify for us what makesthe uk strong?[/bold] I'm proud that my voice is heard at the top table in Europe. [bold]To do what, what benefits has this brought to Scotland?[/bold] I'm proud that Britain is one of the leaders of the free world. [bold]Who else is in this 'Free' World and who isn't?[/bold] I'm proud that we intervene to aid those in need anywhere in the world. I'm proud that Gordon Brown is a fellow Scot and leads Britain and therefore Scotland. I'm proud that us Scots have for decades supported the party that supports us and looks after us. [bold]Labour I presume? - What do you mean by 'supports us'? - Supports us where?[/bold] I'm proud that we have a unique culture. [bold]Love this one, Can you help me out with it, how are we unique?[/bold] Let me say it again wardog:- I'M PROUD TO BE SCOTTISH You on the other hand are obviously not proud to be Scottish, you talk us down all the time, you talk down our achievments in a cynical attempt to make us feel we are hard done to. I love my neighbours (the English), you hate the English. [bold]Can you point me to a single post where I have even used the word 'english' or england?[/bold] You see hate as what defines us, I see togetherness. [bold]It would appear to everyone else on this forum that it is you that is full of hate may friend, your the one castigating folk fbut not backing it up with s hred of evidence[/bold] You say we are weak, I say we are strong. [bold]Again, can you put me to a posting where I've said this?[/bold] Would you like me to go on?- I won't imbarese you anymore. [bold]Your only embarrassing yourself PtbS, could you ansert he above for me too?[/bold] [/quote] Wardog
I wasn't talking to you, just saying your a buzzing gnat
Getting a bit para are we?
- your gnat - so paranoia is your natural state.
Wardog wrote:
Proud to be Scottish wrote: Wardog wrote: What actually makes the poster Proud to be Scottish, proud to be Scottish? I'd really love to know...go on tell us PtbS ..... Wardog the buzzing gnat:- I'm proud to be Scottish because it's the best wee country in the world . I know the gnats hate that phrase solely because it came about from Labour. I'm proud that we are part of Britain - one of the strongest countries in the world. Can you clarify for us what makesthe uk strong? I'm proud that my voice is heard at the top table in Europe. To do what, what benefits has this brought to Scotland? I'm proud that Britain is one of the leaders of the free world. Who else is in this 'Free' World and who isn't? I'm proud that we intervene to aid those in need anywhere in the world. I'm proud that Gordon Brown is a fellow Scot and leads Britain and therefore Scotland. I'm proud that us Scots have for decades supported the party that supports us and looks after us. Labour I presume? - What do you mean by 'supports us'? - Supports us where? I'm proud that we have a unique culture. Love this one, Can you help me out with it, how are we unique? Let me say it again wardog:- I'M PROUD TO BE SCOTTISH You on the other hand are obviously not proud to be Scottish, you talk us down all the time, you talk down our achievments in a cynical attempt to make us feel we are hard done to. I love my neighbours (the English), you hate the English. Can you point me to a single post where I have even used the word 'english' or england? You see hate as what defines us, I see togetherness. It would appear to everyone else on this forum that it is you that is full of hate may friend, your the one castigating folk fbut not backing it up with s hred of evidence You say we are weak, I say we are strong. Again, can you put me to a posting where I've said this? Would you like me to go on?- I won't imbarese you anymore. Your only embarrassing yourself PtbS, could you ansert he above for me too?
Wardog
I wasn't talking to you, just saying your a buzzing gnat
Getting a bit para are we?
- your gnat - so paranoia is your natural state.
Posted by: Saul Tyre, Germany on 10:48am Sun 6 Jan 08
Proud to be a Labour pamphleteer wrote:
"Has it ever occured to any of you half-wits that the people of Scotland repeatedly choose Labour..."
No they don't, not any longer. We've grown up son.
Proud to be a Labour pamphleteer wrote:
"Has it ever occured to any of you half-wits that the people of Scotland repeatedly choose Labour..."
No they don't, not any longer. We've grown up son.
Posted by: dws on 10:50am Sun 6 Jan 08
[quote]Has it ever occured to any of you half-wits that the people of Scotland repeatedly choose Labour as they can see through the facist nonsense that is SNP policy.
[/quote]
Will someone please inform this Labour drone who won the election in May 2007?
Keep it up, PtbS - you're doing more to promote independence than the rest of us "buzzing gnats" put together.
Has it ever occured to any of you half-wits that the people of Scotland repeatedly choose Labour as they can see through the facist nonsense that is SNP policy.
Will someone please inform this Labour drone who won the election in May 2007?
Keep it up, PtbS - you're doing more to promote independence than the rest of us "buzzing gnats" put together.
Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 10:56am Sun 6 Jan 08
Proud to be Scottish says [quote]My grandfather didn't fight the Nazi's for them to rule Scotland.[/quote] You're giving your age away lad (or lass). If you were alive in the 70s you would have seen the daily diet of Scottish cringe as Scottish unionists did everything in their power to give away a resource that other countries go to war to obtain.
The occasional typos are forgivable on these boards but you have two today that betray the fact that Tony Bliar's "Education, education, education" mantra didn't reach you. They are :-[bold]imbarese[/bold] and [bold]Nazi's[/bold] (the plural does not have an apostrophe).
You also display an appalling ignorance of everday politics. To spare yourself further embarrassment, perhaps you ought to study more and rant less.
Proud to be Scottish says
My grandfather didn't fight the Nazi's for them to rule Scotland.
You're giving your age away lad (or lass). If you were alive in the 70s you would have seen the daily diet of Scottish cringe as Scottish unionists did everything in their power to give away a resource that other countries go to war to obtain.
The occasional typos are forgivable on these boards but you have two today that betray the fact that Tony Bliar's "Education, education, education" mantra didn't reach you. They are :-
imbarese and
Nazi's (the plural does not have an apostrophe).
You also display an appalling ignorance of everday politics. To spare yourself further embarrassment, perhaps you ought to study more and rant less.
Posted by: bullyweealba, Edinburgh on 11:00am Sun 6 Jan 08
Proud to be a Jason4Queen?
If your Grandfather fought in the second world war, the law of averages would suggest that you are at least in your thirties.
This being the case, why do you write as if you are only 12 years old?
Proud to be a Jason4Queen?
If your Grandfather fought in the second world war, the law of averages would suggest that you are at least in your thirties.
This being the case, why do you write as if you are only 12 years old?
Posted by: lang sandy, weel up the howe on 11:02am Sun 6 Jan 08
proud to be???????.........A MASON probably
proud to be???????.........A MASON probably
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 11:08am Sun 6 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Proud to be Scottish[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Wardog[/bold] wrote:
Proud to be Scottish wrote: Wardog wrote: What actually makes the poster Proud to be Scottish, proud to be Scottish? I'd really love to know...go on tell us[bold] PtbS[/bold] ..... Wardog the buzzing gnat:- I'm proud to be Scottish because it's the[bold] best wee country in the world[/bold] . I know the gnats hate that phrase solely because it came about from Labour. I'm proud that we are part of Britain - one of the strongest countries in the world. [bold]Can you clarify for us what makesthe uk strong?[/bold] I'm proud that my voice is heard at the top table in Europe. [bold]To do what, what benefits has this brought to Scotland?[/bold] I'm proud that Britain is one of the leaders of the free world. [bold]Who else is in this 'Free' World and who isn't?[/bold] I'm proud that we intervene to aid those in need anywhere in the world. I'm proud that Gordon Brown is a fellow Scot and leads Britain and therefore Scotland. I'm proud that us Scots have for decades supported the party that supports us and looks after us. [bold]Labour I presume? - What do you mean by 'supports us'? - Supports us where?[/bold] I'm proud that we have a unique culture. [bold]Love this one, Can you help me out with it, how are we unique?[/bold] Let me say it again wardog:- I'M PROUD TO BE SCOTTISH You on the other hand are obviously not proud to be Scottish, you talk us down all the time, you talk down our achievments in a cynical attempt to make us feel we are hard done to. I love my neighbours (the English), you hate the English. [bold]Can you point me to a single post where I have even used the word 'english' or england?[/bold] You see hate as what defines us, I see togetherness. [bold]It would appear to everyone else on this forum that it is you that is full of hate may friend, your the one castigating folk fbut not backing it up with s hred of evidence[/bold] You say we are weak, I say we are strong. [bold]Again, can you put me to a posting where I've said this?[/bold] Would you like me to go on?- I won't imbarese you anymore. [bold]Your only embarrassing yourself PtbS, could you ansert he above for me too?[/bold] [/quote] Wardog
I wasn't talking to you, just saying your a buzzing gnat
Getting a bit para are we?
- your gnat - so paranoia is your natural state.[/quote] I'm fine [bold]PtbS[/bold] , just up and tucking into a grapefruit , but I'd love you to answer the questions....
Proud to be Scottish wrote:
Wardog wrote:
Proud to be Scottish wrote: Wardog wrote: What actually makes the poster Proud to be Scottish, proud to be Scottish? I'd really love to know...go on tell us PtbS ..... Wardog the buzzing gnat:- I'm proud to be Scottish because it's the best wee country in the world . I know the gnats hate that phrase solely because it came about from Labour. I'm proud that we are part of Britain - one of the strongest countries in the world. Can you clarify for us what makesthe uk strong? I'm proud that my voice is heard at the top table in Europe. To do what, what benefits has this brought to Scotland? I'm proud that Britain is one of the leaders of the free world. Who else is in this 'Free' World and who isn't? I'm proud that we intervene to aid those in need anywhere in the world. I'm proud that Gordon Brown is a fellow Scot and leads Britain and therefore Scotland. I'm proud that us Scots have for decades supported the party that supports us and looks after us. Labour I presume? - What do you mean by 'supports us'? - Supports us where? I'm proud that we have a unique culture. Love this one, Can you help me out with it, how are we unique? Let me say it again wardog:- I'M PROUD TO BE SCOTTISH You on the other hand are obviously not proud to be Scottish, you talk us down all the time, you talk down our achievments in a cynical attempt to make us feel we are hard done to. I love my neighbours (the English), you hate the English. Can you point me to a single post where I have even used the word 'english' or england? You see hate as what defines us, I see togetherness. It would appear to everyone else on this forum that it is you that is full of hate may friend, your the one castigating folk fbut not backing it up with s hred of evidence You say we are weak, I say we are strong. Again, can you put me to a posting where I've said this? Would you like me to go on?- I won't imbarese you anymore. Your only embarrassing yourself PtbS, could you ansert he above for me too?
Wardog
I wasn't talking to you, just saying your a buzzing gnat
Getting a bit para are we?
- your gnat - so paranoia is your natural state.
I'm fine
PtbS , just up and tucking into a grapefruit , but I'd love you to answer the questions....
Posted by: g, sevres on 11:14am Sun 6 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Proud to be Scottish[/bold] wrote:
The gants have only one record and they keep on playing it:- \\\'We\\\'ve been robbed and It\\\'s all Englands Fault\\\' Wa wa wa. Has it ever occured to any of you half-wits that the people of Scotland repeatedly choose Labour as they can see through the facist nonsense that is SNP policy. SNP Foreign Policy would be to rebuild Hadrians Wall, kick out all the English, and trade solely with Iceland and Ireland. If you want to go back to the dark ages vote SNP - it\\\'s as simple as that. Anyone with half a brain can see the writing on the wall with all the picking of fights with the English already being done by the pieman (Wee (not so) Eck). The SNP has senior people who are the sons of Nazi\\\'s - FACT. My grandfather didn\\\'t fight the Nazi\\\'s for them to rule Scotland. [/quote] "Proud to be Scottish wrote:
...The SNP has senior people who are the sons of Nazi's - [bold]FACT[/bold] ."
This is interesting stuff!! Could you give us the names of the Nazi offspring?
Proud to be Scottish wrote:
The gants have only one record and they keep on playing it:- 'We've been robbed and It's all Englands Fault' Wa wa wa. Has it ever occured to any of you half-wits that the people of Scotland repeatedly choose Labour as they can see through the facist nonsense that is SNP policy. SNP Foreign Policy would be to rebuild Hadrians Wall, kick out all the English, and trade solely with Iceland and Ireland. If you want to go back to the dark ages vote SNP - it's as simple as that. Anyone with half a brain can see the writing on the wall with all the picking of fights with the English already being done by the pieman (Wee (not so) Eck). The SNP has senior people who are the sons of Nazi's - FACT. My grandfather didn't fight the Nazi's for them to rule Scotland.
"Proud to be Scottish wrote:
...The SNP has senior people who are the sons of Nazi's -
FACT ."
This is interesting stuff!! Could you give us the names of the Nazi offspring?
Posted by: subrosa on 11:29am Sun 6 Jan 08
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 9:16am today - I won't quote it all to give him the satisfaction of seeing it again in print.
But Proud, you did promise me you'd take your tablets. You're hallucinating again.
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 9:16am today - I won't quote it all to give him the satisfaction of seeing it again in print.
But Proud, you did promise me you'd take your tablets. You're hallucinating again.
Posted by: daveymac, web on 11:39am Sun 6 Jan 08
Proud to be Scottish obviously is a Fake.
What a fake alias that is. Must be some kind of wind up merchant and forum Troll as I doubt anyone could seriously hold all those contradictory beliefs and still be allowed access to a keyboard and the public.
In any case he is really proud to be British and Proud to be anti Scottish in his own cringing, quisling, Troll words.
Let me rephrase the self loathing, inferiority complex:
'Im proud that we are part of Britain - one of the strongest countries in the world which unquestioningly sells out Scottish assets to prop itself up and keep the South outperforming the North.
I'm proud that my voice is heard at the top table in Europe - There is little representation for Scotlands interests at UK, Europe or Worldwide. Scotland is exluded from the room never mind at any table.
I'm proud that Britain is one of the leaders of the free world. Again you are proud of Britain this does not make you proud to be Scottish, your are proud that Scottishness is usurped to another state.
I'm proud that we intervene to aid those in need anywhere in the world. - You mean the British again. Britain follows its remnants of empire and oil interests. From Control of Scottish Oil to ensuring access to the middle east and dodgy weapons deals. Meanwhile atrocities continue all over the world without so much as a peep.
I'm proud that Gordon Brown is a fellow Scot and leads Britain and therefore Scotland. Nobody voted him to that office but in anycase a weak icon for 'proud to be Scottish'. This is so disingenuous as there are far better Scottish individuals to be proud of, Alive or historically.
I'm proud that us Scots have for decades supported the party that supports us and looks after us. More fakery...
I'm proud that we have a unique culture.
Scotland has a mix of cultures which thankfully has partly survived despite wholesale anglosization of the: media and broadcasting, cultural events, language and dialects, paired with an almost total absence of Scottish history in Education.
Unionists think Scottishness is inward. Yes, Britishness can be outward looking but it is primarily anglocentric and reflects Anglicised values, interpretation and bias. We need a Scottish perspective, our take on the world and our place in it. Scotland is ready for a second enlightenment - self determination or at least much more self control of its own destiny , resources and culture.
Proud to be Scottish obviously is a Fake.
What a fake alias that is. Must be some kind of wind up merchant and forum Troll as I doubt anyone could seriously hold all those contradictory beliefs and still be allowed access to a keyboard and the public.
In any case he is really proud to be British and Proud to be anti Scottish in his own cringing, quisling, Troll words.
Let me rephrase the self loathing, inferiority complex:
'Im proud that we are part of Britain - one of the strongest countries in the world which unquestioningly sells out Scottish assets to prop itself up and keep the South outperforming the North.
I'm proud that my voice is heard at the top table in Europe - There is little representation for Scotlands interests at UK, Europe or Worldwide. Scotland is exluded from the room never mind at any table.
I'm proud that Britain is one of the leaders of the free world. Again you are proud of Britain this does not make you proud to be Scottish, your are proud that Scottishness is usurped to another state.
I'm proud that we intervene to aid those in need anywhere in the world. - You mean the British again. Britain follows its remnants of empire and oil interests. From Control of Scottish Oil to ensuring access to the middle east and dodgy weapons deals. Meanwhile atrocities continue all over the world without so much as a peep.
I'm proud that Gordon Brown is a fellow Scot and leads Britain and therefore Scotland. Nobody voted him to that office but in anycase a weak icon for 'proud to be Scottish'. This is so disingenuous as there are far better Scottish individuals to be proud of, Alive or historically.
I'm proud that us Scots have for decades supported the party that supports us and looks after us. More fakery...
I'm proud that we have a unique culture.
Scotland has a mix of cultures which thankfully has partly survived despite wholesale anglosization of the: media and broadcasting, cultural events, language and dialects, paired with an almost total absence of Scottish history in Education.
Unionists think Scottishness is inward. Yes, Britishness can be outward looking but it is primarily anglocentric and reflects Anglicised values, interpretation and bias. We need a Scottish perspective, our take on the world and our place in it. Scotland is ready for a second enlightenment - self determination or at least much more self control of its own destiny , resources and culture.
Posted by: tom, europe on 11:40am Sun 6 Jan 08
Just as British = English, everyone knows that twits who describe themselves as "Proud Scots" are invariably Unionist creeps.
Just as British = English, everyone knows that twits who describe themselves as "Proud Scots" are invariably Unionist creeps.
Posted by: Historian proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 11:46am Sun 6 Jan 08
[italic]"Proud to be Scottish wrote:
...The SNP has senior people who are the sons of Nazi's - FACT ."[/italic]
Your referring to MSP Stefan Tymkewycz, who's father is a suspected war criminal.... and by that you are conferring that the SNP are NAZI's..... that's truly lynch mob logic Proud to be Pathetic.....
If you want a history lesson on the dangers of facism then read thee following Proud to be Pathetic, you might just learn something about your great party:
On December 8, 1930, Oswald Mosley [bold](A MEMBER OF THE LABOUR PARTY AT THE TIME[/bold] ) published an expanded version of the "Mosley Memorandum", which[italic] attracted the support of 16 Labour MPs.[/italic]
On February 28, 1931 Mosley resigned from the Labour Party, determining that the Labour Party was no longer suitable, launching the new [bold]British UNION of Fascists Party
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