Another crisis, another disappearing act from Brown Iain Macwhirter on Gordon Brown AT DOWNING Street upon the stair, I met a man who wasn't Blair. He wasn't Blair again today. Oh how I wish he'd go away." So read the mystery quatrain, allegedly penned by a disgruntled Cabinet minister, which circulated Westminster last week.
The verse paraphrases the American poet Hughes Mearns's well-known Antigonish: "As I was going up the stair, I met a man who wasn't there ..."
This isn't the first time that Brown has been hit by a rocket-propelled stanza, either. TS Eliot's Macavity: The Mystery Cat has been widely used by the prime minister's critics, and the poems relate to his tendency to absent himself when things go wrong ("Macavity's not there").
Obviously, this is just dodgy doggerel, but humour has a knack of revealing truth. The image of Gordon Brown now becoming fixed in the public mind, and reflected in these poems, is that of a politician who cannot face up to adversity. The truth is Brown does absent himself from difficulties. He went to ground during the Northern Rock debacle, and he has gone to ground again over the credit crunch.
What has the prime minister had to say of any significance about the crisis? Nothing that I can recall. Can it really be that the man who presided over the British economy with such apparent success for more than a decade, who is lauded as the best chancellor in 100 years, now has nothing to say about what is the greatest financial crisis since the second world war? Apparently, because he wasn't there again last week.
One suspects that Blair, like him or loathe him, would at least have been out there calming fears and dispelling rumours. Challenging irresponsible city traders; raising questions about the banks' behaviour and why we should bail them out. He would have had a soundbite, even if it was: "When the whorehouse burns down, it's not just the pimps who perish." OK, perhaps not that one.
It might not have done a great deal of good, but it would at least have given the voting public an impression that someone was thinking about it, that there was someone looking after our interests. But Brown's policy, as always, is to keep his face out of the papers and the bulletins during a crisis so he's not contaminated by bad news. It's what he does.
But the problem with presentational absenteeism is that it is a lot harder for a prime minister to hide than a chancellor. Before, Brown could bury himself in the Treasury whenever Blair was getting into a mess over party funding, foreign wars, NHS cock-ups. Not any more. He is on display at PM's Questions week on week, and he is looking ragged, exhausted, clapped out.
Now appearances aren't everything, of course. A few bags under they eyes are expected in a leader - a price worth paying for the privilege of being PM. But, increasingly, Brown looks like a loser and David Cameron is getting the better of him week by week - much as Blair used to ridicule the Tory MP John Major.
The truth is that this government is in the midst of a severe downturn. Brown is suffering his own credit crunch in the form of falling poll ratings. The latest YouGov survey has the Tories in the lead in any UK election by 16 points (43 to 27), and ICM last week gave Cameron's party a 13-point lead (42 to 29). These are very serious numbers and indicate that turbulence in political allegiances in Britain is as serious as turbulence in the markets. People are looking at Brown more closely than ever and are not liking what they see.
We are so used to thinking about the Tories as the party of no return that we are perhaps failing to notice that they are making a serious comeback. The Labour Party is demoralised and uncertain about its future. The atmosphere on the government benches is gloomy and negative, and there is turmoil in Brown's private office with the departure of his close aide of 10 years, Spencer Livermore.
He found life under Brown's new chief of staff - the public relations expert Stephen Carter - less than congenial. Brown is surrounding himself with people who made their names in advertising, David Muir, and investment banking, Jennifer Moses, rather than in Labour politics, which is why some are talking about a Tory takeover in Number 10. But this leadership requires more than a PR facelift. Labour has lost four million votes since 1997 and it will not be easy to get them back.
The problem is that people don't know what Labour stands for under Brown. The widely expected return to more traditional Labour values never happened. Indeed, Brown has been even more neo-liberal than his predecessor, pressing ahead with public sector reform, cutting inheritance tax, blocking attempts to curb the tax avoidance of "non-doms". Ministers such as John Hutton have been free to call for wealthy people to be "celebrated" just at the moment when the rich have plunged the world into economic crisis.
Brown has pushed ahead with terrorist detention; he has joined with France to lead a global revival of nuclear power. He could have used the fifth anniversary of the invasion of Iraq last week to try to draw a line under Britain's greatest foreign policy disaster in half a century. But he hasn't apologised for the war, or indicated a new strategy for getting out of it, other than retreat by stealth. He certainly hasn't tried to give us a vision of world affairs post-Iraq - a new philosophy of international relations following the collapse of American neo-imperialism.
It's just non-business as usual - wittering about a "national risk register"; maybe meeting the Dalai Lama, but only if it doesn't upset the Chinese; dithering over a free vote on the Embryology Bill. Say what you will about Blair, but he did at least make decisions and tried to give an account of the world in which he made them. They may have been the wrong decisions but - as he always said - at least he made them. The danger is that Brown appears to be a passive victim of events rather than the master of them. That is not a credible attitude for a prime minister, who must at all times be visible and proactive.
Brown was supposed to be the keeper of the soul of Labour; he has turned out to be just another desperate politician surrounding himself with "brand" managers to sell the political vision he doesn't have.
But wait. What's this? A new mystery poem has landed in my inbox. "As I was going to the polls, I met a man who lacked Ed Balls. I hope he comes again this way, so I can say he's had his day."
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Posted by: Wullie on 9:28pm Sat 22 Mar 08
Back to the 70's I am afraid. Soaring price inflation, crippling levels of debt and a crumbling economy.
No wonder Prudence Brown is lying low. He was the architect of the economy for the last 11 years.
Back to the 70's I am afraid. Soaring price inflation, crippling levels of debt and a crumbling economy.
No wonder Prudence Brown is lying low. He was the architect of the economy for the last 11 years.
Posted by: Dawn Tyll-Dusk on 9:35pm Sat 22 Mar 08
Actually he inherited a good economic legacy from the Major government. Alas what he has done it to allow the country to run up huge debts and with the credit squeeze on, we can only wait to see thousands and thousand unable to service this debt. He should have acted well before now. Strange he hides when there is bad news but always around claiming credit for everything else.
Actually he inherited a good economic legacy from the Major government. Alas what he has done it to allow the country to run up huge debts and with the credit squeeze on, we can only wait to see thousands and thousand unable to service this debt. He should have acted well before now. Strange he hides when there is bad news but always around claiming credit for everything else.
Posted by: subrosa on 9:36pm Sat 22 Mar 08
Good article Iain. It's all very sad but we can't permit emotions to get in the way of how the country is going down the drain. For years I had a sneaking respect for Gordon Brown but he's proved he's incapable of high office even as chancellor.
Really I don't know what the answer is because another 4 years of this will be too much but it seems as if a no confidence vote is out of the question. Too many labour MPs hanging on to their jobs even though their coats are on a shoogly nail.
Good article Iain. It's all very sad but we can't permit emotions to get in the way of how the country is going down the drain. For years I had a sneaking respect for Gordon Brown but he's proved he's incapable of high office even as chancellor.
Really I don't know what the answer is because another 4 years of this will be too much but it seems as if a no confidence vote is out of the question. Too many labour MPs hanging on to their jobs even though their coats are on a shoogly nail.
Posted by: Observer on 9:39pm Sat 22 Mar 08
He is strangely absent that is a good point. But do we notice ? Increasingly Westminster appears an irrelevence, that is illusory of course they still retain huge amounts of power, but it seems to hold little interest for us any more. Holyrood is where the action is. So we won't miss them.
He is strangely absent that is a good point. But do we notice ? Increasingly Westminster appears an irrelevence, that is illusory of course they still retain huge amounts of power, but it seems to hold little interest for us any more. Holyrood is where the action is. So we won't miss them.
Posted by: Mrs I P Knightly on 9:52pm Sat 22 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Observer[/bold] wrote:
He is strangely absent that is a good point. But do we notice ? Increasingly Westminster appears an irrelevence, that is illusory of course they still retain huge amounts of power, but it seems to hold little interest for us any more. Holyrood is where the action is. So we won't miss them.[/quote] Out of sight, out of mind? Then again I have thought he has been out of his mind for some time.
Observer wrote:
He is strangely absent that is a good point. But do we notice ? Increasingly Westminster appears an irrelevence, that is illusory of course they still retain huge amounts of power, but it seems to hold little interest for us any more. Holyrood is where the action is. So we won't miss them.
Out of sight, out of mind? Then again I have thought he has been out of his mind for some time.
Posted by: karin on 10:40pm Sat 22 Mar 08
Does anyone want to play the as soon as game?
Its very easy its a bit like the labour as soon as the snp gets voted in game but better because you get to start a nice rumour.
Its very easy i start with as soon as scotland gets independence the snp are going to abolish the TV licence.
anyone else care to have a go?
See the thing is you can say anything you like and you dont have to back it up with facts a bit like what labour did before the snp got in?
You can also play it in the real world..........much fun..............
Does anyone want to play the as soon as game?
Its very easy its a bit like the labour as soon as the snp gets voted in game but better because you get to start a nice rumour.
Its very easy i start with as soon as scotland gets independence the snp are going to abolish the TV licence.
anyone else care to have a go?
See the thing is you can say anything you like and you dont have to back it up with facts a bit like what labour did before the snp got in?
You can also play it in the real world..........much fun..............
Posted by: Mrs I P Knightly on 10:45pm Sat 22 Mar 08
[italic]'Does anyone want to play the as soon as game?'[/italic]
No. Back to the Scotsman forum site and stay there.
'Does anyone want to play the as soon as game?'
No. Back to the Scotsman forum site and stay there.
Posted by: karin on 10:54pm Sat 22 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Mrs I P Knightly[/bold] wrote:
[italic]'Does anyone want to play the as soon as game?'[/italic] No. Back to the Scotsman forum site and stay there.[/quote] are you trying to make me hide
my names not gordon you know?
oh go on just one little game.
What about as soon as scotland is independent everyoen is going to get free or very low cost renewable energy wind turbines or solar panels so that we can generate the most power in europe.
Mrs I P Knightly wrote:
'Does anyone want to play the as soon as game?' No. Back to the Scotsman forum site and stay there.
are you trying to make me hide
my names not gordon you know?
oh go on just one little game.
What about as soon as scotland is independent everyoen is going to get free or very low cost renewable energy wind turbines or solar panels so that we can generate the most power in europe.
Posted by: Observer on 10:57pm Sat 22 Mar 08
Karin how about as soon as Scotland is independent we get a free press and honest journalists ? Or have I taken that too far ?
Karin how about as soon as Scotland is independent we get a free press and honest journalists ? Or have I taken that too far ?
Posted by: karin on 11:01pm Sat 22 Mar 08
no observor you havent taken it too far not far enough i think.
Go on really use your imagination.
how about as soon as we are independent the snp are going to resurrect the shipbuilding industry on the clyde in order to service all the renewable energy wave machines and the newly nationalised oil industry.
see its fun you can say anything you like.
The winner is the one who starts a rumour then hears it repeated back to him by a member of the public.
no observor you havent taken it too far not far enough i think.
Go on really use your imagination.
how about as soon as we are independent the snp are going to resurrect the shipbuilding industry on the clyde in order to service all the renewable energy wave machines and the newly nationalised oil industry.
see its fun you can say anything you like.
The winner is the one who starts a rumour then hears it repeated back to him by a member of the public.
Posted by: Dawn Tyll-Dusk on 11:02pm Sat 22 Mar 08
Alas if our refugee from the Hootsman forums intellect was converted into light we would all be in total darkness. I agree with Mrs IP Knightly, begone with you!!
Alas if our refugee from the Hootsman forums intellect was converted into light we would all be in total darkness. I agree with Mrs IP Knightly, begone with you!!
Posted by: karin on 11:04pm Sat 22 Mar 08
observor if the meeja and the unionist parties want to play propaganda we can play too only our game is better.
Which would you rather beleive something good like
border guards and tax bills or tax reduction and free holidays.
observor if the meeja and the unionist parties want to play propaganda we can play too only our game is better.
Which would you rather beleive something good like
border guards and tax bills or tax reduction and free holidays.
Posted by: karin on 11:07pm Sat 22 Mar 08
hmm
I am puzzled as to why dawning till dusk and Mrs IP dont want to play the game.
You can play it by email as well you know?
hmm
I am puzzled as to why dawning till dusk and Mrs IP dont want to play the game.
You can play it by email as well you know?
Posted by: Observer on 11:07pm Sat 22 Mar 08
Stop being rotten to Karin, as soon as we are.... she gets her own blog site so she can comment when the troops are taken out of Iraq and we toast their return with whisky which is not punitively taxed as we contemplate our future as an independent country.
Stop being rotten to Karin, as soon as we are.... she gets her own blog site so she can comment when the troops are taken out of Iraq and we toast their return with whisky which is not punitively taxed as we contemplate our future as an independent country.
Posted by: karin on 11:11pm Sat 22 Mar 08
observor try
whisky is going to have all the tax removed. although i like your idea of the smidgeon of truth. I am totally getting my own blog site. and we will be contemplating our future while watching telly without a licence and if paul hutcheon and i are not married by then i can always find a nice soldier for company.
observor try
whisky is going to have all the tax removed. although i like your idea of the smidgeon of truth. I am totally getting my own blog site. and we will be contemplating our future while watching telly without a licence and if paul hutcheon and i are not married by then i can always find a nice soldier for company.
Posted by: Observer on 11:19pm Sat 22 Mar 08
As soon as... we will probably have to try Tony Blair in his absence for war crimes but I think we should do it anyway. In my world we would do a Chavez and take back everything that has been PFI'd they were ours anyway. There should be a national TV Station we can get Paul to run it if you will let him out the house for long enough. Anyway I am off adios aenjoy your game.
As soon as... we will probably have to try Tony Blair in his absence for war crimes but I think we should do it anyway. In my world we would do a Chavez and take back everything that has been PFI'd they were ours anyway. There should be a national TV Station we can get Paul to run it if you will let him out the house for long enough. Anyway I am off adios aenjoy your game.
Posted by: karin on 11:21pm Sat 22 Mar 08
observor what about as soon as we become independent former first minister henry mcleish is going to agree the national conversation was a great idea.
observor what about as soon as we become independent former first minister henry mcleish is going to agree the national conversation was a great idea.
Posted by: karin on 11:22pm Sat 22 Mar 08
jeezo see what rumours do
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Posted by: John F on 11:34pm Sat 22 Mar 08
The problem with Gordon Brown is that he has never lead the Labour Party in a general election.
The problem with Gordon Brown is that he has never lead the Labour Party in a general election.
Posted by: Strathturret, montrose on 11:36pm Sat 22 Mar 08
Iain,
I never really bought Brown's story that the UK ecomony was doing really well, without being analytical about it. Its now clear that we have been borrowing too much, individually and as country. The PPP/PPI scam is obviously going to hit us big-time for a generation.
We've been fed the spin about Brown for years, that he's a giant , a workoholic and a great intellect.
If you examine some of his tax changes and u-turns, a cockney barrow boy could have foretold what would happen. One example. Brown wanted to encourage small business so he introduced 10% rate and £10,000 tax free profit for small companies. So what happened, lots of sole traders incorporated to benefit from changes. Then he reverses these measures and increases small company base rate to 22%.
We've seen something similar over CGT and non-doms.
I'm inclined to view spun by Blairites that he's unstable.
Iain,
I never really bought Brown's story that the UK ecomony was doing really well, without being analytical about it. Its now clear that we have been borrowing too much, individually and as country. The PPP/PPI scam is obviously going to hit us big-time for a generation.
We've been fed the spin about Brown for years, that he's a giant , a workoholic and a great intellect.
If you examine some of his tax changes and u-turns, a cockney barrow boy could have foretold what would happen. One example. Brown wanted to encourage small business so he introduced 10% rate and £10,000 tax free profit for small companies. So what happened, lots of sole traders incorporated to benefit from changes. Then he reverses these measures and increases small company base rate to 22%.
We've seen something similar over CGT and non-doms.
I'm inclined to view spun by Blairites that he's unstable.
Posted by: Mike, Edinburgh on 11:46pm Sat 22 Mar 08
Henry is trying to do his best for Wendy lately. He keeps coming out and defends her lack of ability. It was hilarious watching her on STV drifting in and out of her New Speak. I had to keep adjusting the colour balance on the tele, with her face getting red everytime she got badgered into answering the actual questions. Unfortunately she never Wendied the reporter, although you could see the anger in her kisser and urge to punch his lights out for daring to question her credentials to even attempt to run a Britnat campaign really written and ran from Number 10 yuppie spin doctors.
As for Tony Blair, yes he must be charged and prosecuted here in Scotland for high crimes of treason and murder. Lets see how his new religous beliefs stand up to the fact that he was complcant in the murder of over a million Iraqi men women and children.
Henry is trying to do his best for Wendy lately. He keeps coming out and defends her lack of ability. It was hilarious watching her on STV drifting in and out of her New Speak. I had to keep adjusting the colour balance on the tele, with her face getting red everytime she got badgered into answering the actual questions. Unfortunately she never Wendied the reporter, although you could see the anger in her kisser and urge to punch his lights out for daring to question her credentials to even attempt to run a Britnat campaign really written and ran from Number 10 yuppie spin doctors.
As for Tony Blair, yes he must be charged and prosecuted here in Scotland for high crimes of treason and murder. Lets see how his new religous beliefs stand up to the fact that he was complcant in the murder of over a million Iraqi men women and children.
Posted by: subrosa on Sun 23 Mar 08
Posted by: Mike, Edinburgh on 11:46pm today
And the murder of 178 UK troops.
Posted by: Mike, Edinburgh on 11:46pm today
And the murder of 178 UK troops.
Posted by: Soloman, Sterling on 12:11am Sun 23 Mar 08
GOLDEN Gordon has lost the GOLD, I'm thinking that he's away looking for the GOLD, imagine giving the GOLD away for PEANUTS.
He will be known as the CHANCER that gave it all away and put The country at risk to the world credit crisis. Why did you sell it? and did you make this MAJOR blunder on your own or was The Alexander brothers and sister act involved along with Mr Cairns and the Mininter of attack!
Well what ever happened we are where we are and now your the PM who will be remembered as writing the final chapter of Great Britain the History!
GOLDEN Gordon has lost the GOLD, I'm thinking that he's away looking for the GOLD, imagine giving the GOLD away for PEANUTS.
He will be known as the CHANCER that gave it all away and put The country at risk to the world credit crisis. Why did you sell it? and did you make this MAJOR blunder on your own or was The Alexander brothers and sister act involved along with Mr Cairns and the Mininter of attack!
Well what ever happened we are where we are and now your the PM who will be remembered as writing the final chapter of Great Britain the History!
Posted by: Ronald, Glasgow on 12:15am Sun 23 Mar 08
Great game Karin, but might I be bold enough to suggest that an Independent Scotish Republic, under El Presidenty BIG ECK, should undertake with urgency, trials, not just of Blair for war-crimes, but his fellow conspiritors; Brown, Straw, Blunket, Hoon,
as well as those tireless cheerleaders for
the entire bloody massacres, Brian Wilson,
Eric Joyce and THE NOBLE BARON GEORGE
FOULKES. And of course no such search for JUSTICE would be complete without a rounding
up of those evil, vicious right-wing hacks
who lied and lied again to whip up the bloody shambles. From Lesley Riddoch to Douglas Fraser. Alf Young to Brian Taylor should all
be called to account for this dreadfull
and needless war.
Great game Karin, but might I be bold enough to suggest that an Independent Scotish Republic, under El Presidenty BIG ECK, should undertake with urgency, trials, not just of Blair for war-crimes, but his fellow conspiritors; Brown, Straw, Blunket, Hoon,
as well as those tireless cheerleaders for
the entire bloody massacres, Brian Wilson,
Eric Joyce and THE NOBLE BARON GEORGE
FOULKES. And of course no such search for JUSTICE would be complete without a rounding
up of those evil, vicious right-wing hacks
who lied and lied again to whip up the bloody shambles. From Lesley Riddoch to Douglas Fraser. Alf Young to Brian Taylor should all
be called to account for this dreadfull
and needless war.
Posted by: karin on 12:20am Sun 23 Mar 08
see ronald your almost getting it there
what you should have said is that as soon as scotland is an independent scottish republic then broon blair et al are going to be tried by the hague for an illegal war that breached the geneva convention. oh no wait ventured into the truth part there.
see ronald your almost getting it there
what you should have said is that as soon as scotland is an independent scottish republic then broon blair et al are going to be tried by the hague for an illegal war that breached the geneva convention. oh no wait ventured into the truth part there.
Posted by: Frank McBride, lusitania on 12:22am Sun 23 Mar 08
Brown's problem, and it will cause mental illness, is that he has bought into NuLabour. This project is fundamentally at odds with his upbringing.
He believed Blair, the Great Liar. He is now suffering for his gullability.
Brown's problem, and it will cause mental illness, is that he has bought into NuLabour. This project is fundamentally at odds with his upbringing.
He believed Blair, the Great Liar. He is now suffering for his gullability.
Posted by: Strathturret, Montrose on 12:25am Sun 23 Mar 08
Yes, Brown has rather made a Faustian pact; sold his soul to the devil.
He, Blair and Mandleson created New labour. But he seems to have travelled a long way from his early idol James Maxton?
Yes, Brown has rather made a Faustian pact; sold his soul to the devil.
He, Blair and Mandleson created New labour. But he seems to have travelled a long way from his early idol James Maxton?
Posted by: Andrew, Renfrewshire on 12:37am Sun 23 Mar 08
Iain, was it a slow news week?
The credit crunch and northern rock are old news so why this article now?
I don't disagree with the substance but the timing is strange. Couldn't you think of something positive to write about "...the most wonderfully socially democratic government of all time"?
Iain, was it a slow news week?
The credit crunch and northern rock are old news so why this article now?
I don't disagree with the substance but the timing is strange. Couldn't you think of something positive to write about "...the most wonderfully socially democratic government of all time"?
Posted by: John Saultire, Scotland on 12:39am Sun 23 Mar 08
As soon as Scotland is independent I will wish for not much more on this earth.[bold] As an SNP supporter my needs are simple and I am not consumed with greed. A little happiness is all I crave.....and a little dignity.[/bold]
As soon as Scotland is independent I will wish for not much more on this earth.
As an SNP supporter my needs are simple and I am not consumed with greed. A little happiness is all I crave.....and a little dignity. Posted by: Andrew, Renfrewshire on 12:41am Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]John Saultire[/bold] wrote:
As soon as Scotland is independent I will wish for not much more on this earth.[bold] As an SNP supporter my needs are simple and I am not consumed with greed. A little happiness is all I crave.....and a little dignity.[/bold] [/quote] John
Alas the current situation is as good an advertisement for Devolution as we could hope for. It keeps the likes of Brown and Darling in Westminster.
For the moment, we may get things done in Scotland.
John Saultire wrote:
As soon as Scotland is independent I will wish for not much more on this earth. As an SNP supporter my needs are simple and I am not consumed with greed. A little happiness is all I crave.....and a little dignity.
John
Alas the current situation is as good an advertisement for Devolution as we could hope for. It keeps the likes of Brown and Darling in Westminster.
For the moment, we may get things done in Scotland.
Posted by: Steve A, Glasgow on 1:03am Sun 23 Mar 08
Good IAN well done!You could have finished with ,Gordon thinks this will all go away if we all celebrate our Britishness!
Good IAN well done!You could have finished with ,Gordon thinks this will all go away if we all celebrate our Britishness!
Posted by: Alex Porter, Madrid on 1:43am Sun 23 Mar 08
He lurked in the treasurey till enthroned Prime Minister, now we witness something Broon and sinister.
To be fair, he did learn the black arts from Blair. Anyway, when he exits can he be entombed with the Alexander sublings?
He lurked in the treasurey till enthroned Prime Minister, now we witness something Broon and sinister.
To be fair, he did learn the black arts from Blair. Anyway, when he exits can he be entombed with the Alexander sublings?
Posted by: Cynicus on 1:45am Sun 23 Mar 08
AT DOWNING Street in days of Blair,
The Chancellor was never there
at crisis times he wouldn't stay
Oh how I wish Brown'd go away
But good-news times in days of Blair
Macavity was ALWAYS there
The time just past election day
Oh how Blair wished Brown'd go away.
AT DOWNING Street in days of Blair,
The Chancellor was never there
at crisis times he wouldn't stay
Oh how I wish Brown'd go away
But good-news times in days of Blair
Macavity was ALWAYS there
The time just past election day
Oh how Blair wished Brown'd go away.
Posted by: Joe Middleton, Edinburgh on 2:50am Sun 23 Mar 08
It's like Scotland doesn't even exist reading this article. Of course in UK terms we don't.
Is there any difference between the Tories and Labour? Would it really matter which party was in power at UK level nowadays?
You can have any party as long as it's right of centre. It's as bad as the US and just as boring.
You can write more interesting relevant stuff than this Iain (this article is wholly meaningless tittle tattle and your poetry stinks) and try and remember this is a Scottish paper, it's not the Guardian or the Daily Telegraph so Scotland shouldn't be completely ignored.
It's like Scotland doesn't even exist reading this article. Of course in UK terms we don't.
Is there any difference between the Tories and Labour? Would it really matter which party was in power at UK level nowadays?
You can have any party as long as it's right of centre. It's as bad as the US and just as boring.
You can write more interesting relevant stuff than this Iain (this article is wholly meaningless tittle tattle and your poetry stinks) and try and remember this is a Scottish paper, it's not the Guardian or the Daily Telegraph so Scotland shouldn't be completely ignored.
Posted by: Scott2006, Outside Glasgow on 4:13am Sun 23 Mar 08
Gordon Brown knows whats going on at the macroeconomic level - $50 thousand billion dollars in the world economy but $750 thousand billion dollars in the economic bubble propped up by that $50 thousand billion seemingly swirling around at all levels of the lower part of the macro picture or the highest level of the microeconomic overview.
Inflation is almost impossible to avoid, so why should any politician that understands how the big picture seems to fit together undermine hard money and assets by saying anything at all?
The rich can ride out any recession and be only marginally affected.
If the world economy grows at 10% a year, which can only happen if a long recession is avoided, then most of the $750 thousand billion will become tangible assets in the next 25 years or so. Gordon Brown is only responsible for the next 2 years and by getting the economy to grow faster than inflation he will be doing as much as his level of involvement will allow him.
Iain you quote a few opinion polls - Labour look as if they will be 1 or 2 % lower than at the last election when the next vote comes around. The Lib Dems have a new leader who still has to shine - if he fails to impress the voters the LDems could lose 2 or 3%. The Tories are a rural and rich areas party - there are more rich but fewer rural areas as towns and cities swell in size - perhaps overall they can resonably expect to gain 3 or 4% - what might hold the Tories back is the view that economically Labour and Conservatives are much too close. Gordon Brown's Party might as well be called the Red Tory Party as socialism is seen as a poor brand just now or as a failed creed.
Poetry is a Romantic take on Reality.
I'd prefer Gordon Brown to read Machiavelli and quote from 'The Prince' rather than a form of words that sounds good but signifies nothing (a slight nod to Will Shake Spear).
Gordon Brown knows whats going on at the macroeconomic level - $50 thousand billion dollars in the world economy but $750 thousand billion dollars in the economic bubble propped up by that $50 thousand billion seemingly swirling around at all levels of the lower part of the macro picture or the highest level of the microeconomic overview.
Inflation is almost impossible to avoid, so why should any politician that understands how the big picture seems to fit together undermine hard money and assets by saying anything at all?
The rich can ride out any recession and be only marginally affected.
If the world economy grows at 10% a year, which can only happen if a long recession is avoided, then most of the $750 thousand billion will become tangible assets in the next 25 years or so. Gordon Brown is only responsible for the next 2 years and by getting the economy to grow faster than inflation he will be doing as much as his level of involvement will allow him.
Iain you quote a few opinion polls - Labour look as if they will be 1 or 2 % lower than at the last election when the next vote comes around. The Lib Dems have a new leader who still has to shine - if he fails to impress the voters the LDems could lose 2 or 3%. The Tories are a rural and rich areas party - there are more rich but fewer rural areas as towns and cities swell in size - perhaps overall they can resonably expect to gain 3 or 4% - what might hold the Tories back is the view that economically Labour and Conservatives are much too close. Gordon Brown's Party might as well be called the Red Tory Party as socialism is seen as a poor brand just now or as a failed creed.
Poetry is a Romantic take on Reality.
I'd prefer Gordon Brown to read Machiavelli and quote from 'The Prince' rather than a form of words that sounds good but signifies nothing (a slight nod to Will Shake Spear).
Posted by: lobeydosser, Woodlands Road on 5:46am Sun 23 Mar 08
Gordon and his party are bumping along the bottom of the opinion polls.
This is an example of 'hand me down' premierships; not all the leaders in waiting are really leaders; more probably yes-men or women, who are not up to the job.
Be prepared for someone to raise a motion of 'No Confidence' for Gordon Brown; and await either a New Labour Leadership election or a General election.
Gordon and his party are bumping along the bottom of the opinion polls.
This is an example of 'hand me down' premierships; not all the leaders in waiting are really leaders; more probably yes-men or women, who are not up to the job.
Be prepared for someone to raise a motion of 'No Confidence' for Gordon Brown; and await either a New Labour Leadership election or a General election.
Posted by: stevie on 8:00am Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Steve A[/bold] wrote:
Good IAN well done!You could have finished with ,Gordon thinks this will all go away if we all celebrate our Britishness![/quote] Good morning ,BOO!!!. It's nice to see you in a calmer more relaxed frame of mind.
Steve A wrote:
Good IAN well done!You could have finished with ,Gordon thinks this will all go away if we all celebrate our Britishness!
Good morning ,BOO!!!. It's nice to see you in a calmer more relaxed frame of mind.
Posted by: Lowperdowg, Norway on 8:15am Sun 23 Mar 08
Its not so long ago that Ian was cheerleader for Bruno while many of us looked on in amazement that Ian couldn't see behind the mask.
I'm glad that Ian is now telling it like it is.
It will be a great day when we can remove the yoke of Westminster from our shoulders.
Its not so long ago that Ian was cheerleader for Bruno while many of us looked on in amazement that Ian couldn't see behind the mask.
I'm glad that Ian is now telling it like it is.
It will be a great day when we can remove the yoke of Westminster from our shoulders.
Posted by: Lowperdowg, Norway on 8:16am Sun 23 Mar 08
Sorry, that should be Iain, not Ian,
Sorry, that should be Iain, not Ian,
Posted by: willie, Barrhead on 9:25am Sun 23 Mar 08
He sold us down the river on pensions (no tax relief on dividends) and then on our gold reserves. He inherited an economy that was under rigorous control from Norman Highland Park Lamont. At FMQT he displays little humour and repeats 'Mr Speaker' several times for each response like a doddery old fogey.Bring back Blair.
He sold us down the river on pensions (no tax relief on dividends) and then on our gold reserves. He inherited an economy that was under rigorous control from Norman Highland Park Lamont. At FMQT he displays little humour and repeats 'Mr Speaker' several times for each response like a doddery old fogey.Bring back Blair.
Posted by: Mac, Dundee on 9:28am Sun 23 Mar 08
It is hard to feel sorry for Brown who has made "dithering" an art form.
Now we have Gordon Brown offering Labour MPs who oppose the embryo bill a chance to vote against 'pieces' of the legislation.
[italic]I digress for a moment here. It is of interest to note that Labour MPs care more about the creation of a few cells than the 1 million+ people who were born and eventually died in the invasion and occupation of Iraq. It is a morally repugnant and hypocritical stance.[/italic]
The notion that 'pieces' of the embyro bill can be offered up in free votes highlights the Prime Ministerial dithering over events.
"What to do?", seems to be the only words coming out of No.10 these days.
It is hard to feel sorry for Brown who has made "dithering" an art form.
Now we have Gordon Brown offering Labour MPs who oppose the embryo bill a chance to vote against 'pieces' of the legislation.
I digress for a moment here. It is of interest to note that Labour MPs care more about the creation of a few cells than the 1 million+ people who were born and eventually died in the invasion and occupation of Iraq. It is a morally repugnant and hypocritical stance.
The notion that 'pieces' of the embyro bill can be offered up in free votes highlights the Prime Ministerial dithering over events.
"What to do?", seems to be the only words coming out of No.10 these days.
Posted by: spagan, Heisker on 10:09am Sun 23 Mar 08
He's the only person who actually could have prevented Tony's "mission" over the past decade. However, he meekly acquiesced to everything - including Iraq.
He's now surrounded himself with "suits" - accountants, lawyers - "placemen" and "yesmen" - every one.
Time to get off the UK boat!
Slainte Mhor
He's the only person who actually could have prevented Tony's "mission" over the past decade. However, he meekly acquiesced to everything - including Iraq.
He's now surrounded himself with "suits" - accountants, lawyers - "placemen" and "yesmen" - every one.
Time to get off the UK boat!
Slainte Mhor
Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 10:17am Sun 23 Mar 08
The Brown/Blair tussle for leadership was like a 10-year episode of "[italic]Deal or no deal[/italic] ". Blair kept Brown in box No. 11 and lavished him with false praise, while Brown ran the economy like a brothel in a casino.
Brown is weak, vacillating, cowardly and hypocritical. We all know many examples to back up this description. But sometimes it is the small, transient moments that are the most revealing as in a clip on EBC TV news last week.
Bill Clinton is ascending the stair at Downing Street ahead of Brown who is pointing to an oil painting, "[italic]And this is Disraeli[/italic] ," he says as Clinton strides ahead, looking ahead, and not listening to a word Brown was saying.
Clinton's silence said it all really.
The Brown/Blair tussle for leadership was like a 10-year episode of "
Deal or no deal ". Blair kept Brown in box No. 11 and lavished him with false praise, while Brown ran the economy like a brothel in a casino.
Brown is weak, vacillating, cowardly and hypocritical. We all know many examples to back up this description. But sometimes it is the small, transient moments that are the most revealing as in a clip on EBC TV news last week.
Bill Clinton is ascending the stair at Downing Street ahead of Brown who is pointing to an oil painting, "
And this is Disraeli ," he says as Clinton strides ahead, looking ahead, and not listening to a word Brown was saying.
Clinton's silence said it all really.
Posted by: Lowperdowg, Norway on 11:41am Sun 23 Mar 08
From today's Times:
[quote]The first signs of serious concern about Brown’s leadership are also emerging within the cabinet, following opinion polls suggesting Labour could be heading for defeat at the next general election. Some disgruntled back-bench MPs, fearful of losing their seats, are beginning to speculate about the leadership, with one suggesting Brown should be asked to retire on “medical grounds”. Another described the prime minister as an “albatross in a tartan waistcoat”.[/quote]
From today's Times:
The first signs of serious concern about Brown’s leadership are also emerging within the cabinet, following opinion polls suggesting Labour could be heading for defeat at the next general election. Some disgruntled back-bench MPs, fearful of losing their seats, are beginning to speculate about the leadership, with one suggesting Brown should be asked to retire on “medical grounds”. Another described the prime minister as an “albatross in a tartan waistcoat”.
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 11:44am Sun 23 Mar 08
I met a wumman oan the sterr
It was wee Wendy with a bad hair day.
It'll no' be long till she's no'there
And all her cronies have an long away day.
I met a wumman oan the sterr
It was wee Wendy with a bad hair day.
It'll no' be long till she's no'there
And all her cronies have an long away day.
Posted by: karin on 12:03pm Sun 23 Mar 08
I met a man upon the stair
his name was alex if you care
he was the man who set us free
and showed us how things
were meant to be.
I met a man upon the stair
his name was alex if you care
he was the man who set us free
and showed us how things
were meant to be.
Posted by: JoeMcT, BlairsFantasyIsland on 12:11pm Sun 23 Mar 08
Of course Brown is keeping out of the way.....the current disaster is mostly of his making.
For 10 years we have heard New Labour boast about the most sucessful Chancellor ever blah blah blah.....when the supposed "sucess" was nothing more than an ever expanding Debt Bubble.
Well now Gordon's Bubble has well and truly burst.
Of course Brown is keeping out of the way.....the current disaster is mostly of his making.
For 10 years we have heard New Labour boast about the most sucessful Chancellor ever blah blah blah.....when the supposed "sucess" was nothing more than an ever expanding Debt Bubble.
Well now Gordon's Bubble has well and truly burst.
Posted by: DougtheDug on 12:45pm Sun 23 Mar 08
"The problem is that people don't know what Labour stands for under Brown"
The problem for Brown is that people do know what Labour stands for.
In the last decade it has been the architect of a spectacular rise in house prices which has made it difficult for those not on a high income to get a house and encouraged the banks to lend enormous amounts of money in risky loans to those who are desperate for a house.
The housing bubble has been fuelled by this dangerous mixture of desperation, greed and a government which has used the house price boom to ensure public confidence in the economy and as a way for the banks to pump money into the economy. The downside of this strategy is that if house prices fall the public are left with huge debts which they can't clear by selling their house which was assumed to be a rock solid investment and the banks are saddled with loans secured on assets which are worth less than the loans handed out. All done with the connivance of the government to keep the house price bubble going. The bubble is now bursting and a lot of people, including the banks, are discovering that a house value is not fixed in stone and is only worth what the next buyer is willing to pay for it.
The failure of Brown and his cohort to take any measures to stop this boom in house prices is a measure of their economic incompetence. They were either stupid and didn't spot the dangers, greedy because their party funders didn't want the house price bubble to stop or caught like a rabbit in the headlights because the only economic strategy they had was to ride the house price bubble with their eyes closed. Labour's massive public funding of Northern Rock is an frightened attempt to stop the bubble collapsing but it's a mistake which is going to cost us all a lot of money.
Ally that with Labour's authoritarian drive towards a full police state with ID cards, surveillance of internal air travel, central databases of information, detention without trial, billions of pounds to their friends in the city through PFI schemes, complicity in US energy wars and the attempt to hold the whole thing together by pushing "Britishness" as a crusade and you get a true picture of Labour, Brown and his vision.
With an acknowledgment to the truth in humour I've seen New Labour described as :
Nu-Lab, in homage to new-speak and Orwell, the Red Tories or Blue Labour as nod to their convergence with the policies and outlook of the conservatives but the best is probably Blu-Lab. It encompasses the Labour's drive towards an authoritarian police state and its right-wing policies of war-mongering and grovelling to the US and big business in a nutshell.
P.S.
Iain, talking of McCavity, how about a little research and an article on Brown's week long disappearance after the Scottish elections? I think it was a more than, "presentational absenteeism". Where did he go and what happened in that missing week before he turned up grinning and nodding on the bench beside Blair at PMQ in Westminster a week after the Scottish election results?
"The problem is that people don't know what Labour stands for under Brown"
The problem for Brown is that people do know what Labour stands for.
In the last decade it has been the architect of a spectacular rise in house prices which has made it difficult for those not on a high income to get a house and encouraged the banks to lend enormous amounts of money in risky loans to those who are desperate for a house.
The housing bubble has been fuelled by this dangerous mixture of desperation, greed and a government which has used the house price boom to ensure public confidence in the economy and as a way for the banks to pump money into the economy. The downside of this strategy is that if house prices fall the public are left with huge debts which they can't clear by selling their house which was assumed to be a rock solid investment and the banks are saddled with loans secured on assets which are worth less than the loans handed out. All done with the connivance of the government to keep the house price bubble going. The bubble is now bursting and a lot of people, including the banks, are discovering that a house value is not fixed in stone and is only worth what the next buyer is willing to pay for it.
The failure of Brown and his cohort to take any measures to stop this boom in house prices is a measure of their economic incompetence. They were either stupid and didn't spot the dangers, greedy because their party funders didn't want the house price bubble to stop or caught like a rabbit in the headlights because the only economic strategy they had was to ride the house price bubble with their eyes closed. Labour's massive public funding of Northern Rock is an frightened attempt to stop the bubble collapsing but it's a mistake which is going to cost us all a lot of money.
Ally that with Labour's authoritarian drive towards a full police state with ID cards, surveillance of internal air travel, central databases of information, detention without trial, billions of pounds to their friends in the city through PFI schemes, complicity in US energy wars and the attempt to hold the whole thing together by pushing "Britishness" as a crusade and you get a true picture of Labour, Brown and his vision.
With an acknowledgment to the truth in humour I've seen New Labour described as :
Nu-Lab, in homage to new-speak and Orwell, the Red Tories or Blue Labour as nod to their convergence with the policies and outlook of the conservatives but the best is probably Blu-Lab. It encompasses the Labour's drive towards an authoritarian police state and its right-wing policies of war-mongering and grovelling to the US and big business in a nutshell.
P.S.
Iain, talking of McCavity, how about a little research and an article on Brown's week long disappearance after the Scottish elections? I think it was a more than, "presentational absenteeism". Where did he go and what happened in that missing week before he turned up grinning and nodding on the bench beside Blair at PMQ in Westminster a week after the Scottish election results?
Posted by: Mrs I P Knightly on 2:15pm Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]karin[/bold] wrote:
I met a man upon the stair
his name was alex if you care
he was the man who set us free
and showed us how things
were meant to be. [/quote] apologies for last night - I mixed you up with that Kimba person.
karin wrote:
I met a man upon the stair
his name was alex if you care
he was the man who set us free
and showed us how things
were meant to be.
apologies for last night - I mixed you up with that Kimba person.
Posted by: Davie08, a basement at edinburgh uni on 2:20pm Sun 23 Mar 08
I fail to see what Brown's reputation was based on. Running a ten year credit party backed by house price inflation? Surely it doesn't take a PhD in economics to work out that it was unsustainable. Three words chickens home roost.
I fail to see what Brown's reputation was based on. Running a ten year credit party backed by house price inflation? Surely it doesn't take a PhD in economics to work out that it was unsustainable. Three words chickens home roost.
Posted by: Strathturret, Montrose on 5:05pm Sun 23 Mar 08
and Dr Brown's PhD is in History!
and Dr Brown's PhD is in History!
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 5:11pm Sun 23 Mar 08
Wendy's attempt at a relaunch for the Labour's Subsidiary in Scotland..... for a party 'not obsessed' with the constitutional future she uses half of her pamphlet setting out the very limited scope of how she see's the constitutional review proceeding...
http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/shared/bsp/hi/pd
fs/21_03_08_wendy.pd
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More interesting than that though she finally accepts that under Labour powers may well flow back to Westminster and slams the Liberal Democrats for saying that no powers should be taken away.....
The pamphlet merely confirms everyone's suspicion that Wendy is indeed the puppet of Gordon Brown and isn't capable of leading a resurgence in Labour's electoral support.
Here are the main points from her proposals, published in a major new policy document:
* Scottish Labour has no divine right to be elected and must work hard to win back support.
* Find a clear way to meet people's hopes and aspirations, without being deflected by false voices of opposition.
* Reach out to win backing from those who have never supported Labour.
* Scottish Labour still stands for the progressive values of justice, equality and community.
* Policies must be constantly renewed to stay in touch with changes in society.
* More personalised services from the NHS.
* Maintain pressure to ensure pupils are taught in modern buildings, but look beyond a bricks and mortar programme.
* Seek ways to guarantee all children leave primary school fully equipped for a secondary education.
* Move away from the fixation on school class sizes and look at quality teaching.
* More progress to help university entrants who genuinely cannot afford higher education.
* Engage seriously with the constitutional challenge thrown down by the SNP.
* Constitutional commission should consider both more powers for Holyrood and handing some back to Westminster.
* Consider devolving powers in areas such as welfare, work, transport and some aspects of VAT, while handing back powers, possibly in counter terrorism and contingency planning.
* It is wrong to present the Union as one in which Scotland has only benefited and not given.
Wendy's attempt at a relaunch for the Labour's Subsidiary in Scotland..... for a party 'not obsessed' with the constitutional future she uses half of her pamphlet setting out the very limited scope of how she see's the constitutional review proceeding...
http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/shared/bsp/hi/pd
fs/21_03_08_wendy.pd
f
More interesting than that though she finally accepts that under Labour powers may well flow back to Westminster and slams the Liberal Democrats for saying that no powers should be taken away.....
The pamphlet merely confirms everyone's suspicion that Wendy is indeed the puppet of Gordon Brown and isn't capable of leading a resurgence in Labour's electoral support.
Here are the main points from her proposals, published in a major new policy document:
* Scottish Labour has no divine right to be elected and must work hard to win back support.
* Find a clear way to meet people's hopes and aspirations, without being deflected by false voices of opposition.
* Reach out to win backing from those who have never supported Labour.
* Scottish Labour still stands for the progressive values of justice, equality and community.
* Policies must be constantly renewed to stay in touch with changes in society.
* More personalised services from the NHS.
* Maintain pressure to ensure pupils are taught in modern buildings, but look beyond a bricks and mortar programme.
* Seek ways to guarantee all children leave primary school fully equipped for a secondary education.
* Move away from the fixation on school class sizes and look at quality teaching.
* More progress to help university entrants who genuinely cannot afford higher education.
* Engage seriously with the constitutional challenge thrown down by the SNP.
* Constitutional commission should consider both more powers for Holyrood and handing some back to Westminster.
* Consider devolving powers in areas such as welfare, work, transport and some aspects of VAT, while handing back powers, possibly in counter terrorism and contingency planning.
* It is wrong to present the Union as one in which Scotland has only benefited and not given.
Posted by: Grassy Knollington on 5:43pm Sun 23 Mar 08
The bottom line seems to be that we have ended up with a Prime Minister who does not cope well under pressure. A distinct drawback if you have the top job I would have thought.
The previous incumbent though arguably deluded if not certifiable, thrived in a crisis.
The messianic glint in his eye as he urged the continued bombardment of Lebanon was terrifying but he was under intense pressure and his belief that he was, as usual "doing the right thing" made it an easy decision for him.
Brown on the other hand thrives only when things are going well , when his own tightly controlled inner circle are telling him all is going swimmingly and the pressure to take big decisions is off.
Lately with the economy going pear shaped, Salmond infuriatingly running Scotland like it was second nature and doubts over whether he will in fact ever be "elected" as Prime Minister he has been struggling as never before.
His solution, the big "Britishness" push has left England bemused ( they already know they're British) and Scots laughing in derision
(they already know he's Scottish).
What now for our emotionally delicate PM?
Only one thing is guaranteed, there will be lots more pressure.
The bottom line seems to be that we have ended up with a Prime Minister who does not cope well under pressure. A distinct drawback if you have the top job I would have thought.
The previous incumbent though arguably deluded if not certifiable, thrived in a crisis.
The messianic glint in his eye as he urged the continued bombardment of Lebanon was terrifying but he was under intense pressure and his belief that he was, as usual "doing the right thing" made it an easy decision for him.
Brown on the other hand thrives only when things are going well , when his own tightly controlled inner circle are telling him all is going swimmingly and the pressure to take big decisions is off.
Lately with the economy going pear shaped, Salmond infuriatingly running Scotland like it was second nature and doubts over whether he will in fact ever be "elected" as Prime Minister he has been struggling as never before.
His solution, the big "Britishness" push has left England bemused ( they already know they're British) and Scots laughing in derision
(they already know he's Scottish).
What now for our emotionally delicate PM?
Only one thing is guaranteed, there will be lots more pressure.
Posted by: Strathturret, Montrose on 5:50pm Sun 23 Mar 08
The only thing going for Brown is that Cameroon and the Tories are pretty much all over the shop.
The next GE might be who's least bad; at least in England. In Scotland Labour's going to get a tanking.
The only thing going for Brown is that Cameroon and the Tories are pretty much all over the shop.
The next GE might be who's least bad; at least in England. In Scotland Labour's going to get a tanking.
Posted by: Steve A, Glasgow on 6:41pm Sun 23 Mar 08
stevie on 8.00am
Final message to you!You have been reported to the editors for stalking people!Now please go away and seek some professional help!DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AS IF YOU DO YOU WILL LET EVERYONE SEE THAT YOU CAN NOT HELP YOURSELF !!! NOW FOR THE LAST TIME GO AWAY!!!!
stevie on 8.00am
Final message to you!You have been reported to the editors for stalking people!Now please go away and seek some professional help!DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AS IF YOU DO YOU WILL LET EVERYONE SEE THAT YOU CAN NOT HELP YOURSELF !!! NOW FOR THE LAST TIME GO AWAY!!!!
Posted by: Curley Bill, the southwest on 7:08pm Sun 23 Mar 08
I met a man out in the hall,
Searching low and searching tall,
When asked he answered with a call,
'I'm only looking for my balls'
I met a man out in the hall,
Searching low and searching tall,
When asked he answered with a call,
'I'm only looking for my balls'
Posted by: Mac Gille Leabhar, Aberdeenshire on 8:36pm Sun 23 Mar 08
Broon son o' the manse but mair like the minister's cat:
" AW WIND AND PISH"
Alexander siblings are more of the same.
Please remind all these unionist fairy tale believers with all their "good faith" claptrap that this is a 21st century secular country and that they should "shape up or ship out" to coin an Americanism as the rest of us have moved on.
Broon son o' the manse but mair like the minister's cat:
" AW WIND AND PISH"
Alexander siblings are more of the same.
Please remind all these unionist fairy tale believers with all their "good faith" claptrap that this is a 21st century secular country and that they should "shape up or ship out" to coin an Americanism as the rest of us have moved on.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 9:29pm Sun 23 Mar 08
Heck, there's some awful doggerel on this forum! It's all the fault of the SNP, I say!
Heck, there's some awful doggerel on this forum! It's all the fault of the SNP, I say!
Posted by: peter, Aberdeenshire on 9:43pm Sun 23 Mar 08
Brown has shown what most people apart from Labour supporters have always known, he like Alexander is a legend in his own mind. He was a disaster as chancellor and an abject failure as Prime Minister, wait till Gordon takes over was the cry from his supporters, much like the calls in support of Wendy.
The two of them have proven to be unfit for any position of authority and also shown how less than average their intellect and abilities really are.
Brown has shown what most people apart from Labour supporters have always known, he like Alexander is a legend in his own mind. He was a disaster as chancellor and an abject failure as Prime Minister, wait till Gordon takes over was the cry from his supporters, much like the calls in support of Wendy.
The two of them have proven to be unfit for any position of authority and also shown how less than average their intellect and abilities really are.
Posted by: Steve A, Glasgow on 10:18pm Sun 23 Mar 08
That's another 57 civilians and 12 soldiers murdered in Iraq today!The tragedy is that not so long ago this would have been major news but today on sky news headlines it was a lowly 7th item!Gordon Brown hang your head in shame admit that you only care about your own scrawny neck and most of all STOP TELLING THE SCOTTISH PEOPLE THAT WE ARE BETTER OFF IN YOUR COOL BRITANIA!
That's another 57 civilians and 12 soldiers murdered in Iraq today!The tragedy is that not so long ago this would have been major news but today on sky news headlines it was a lowly 7th item!Gordon Brown hang your head in shame admit that you only care about your own scrawny neck and most of all STOP TELLING THE SCOTTISH PEOPLE THAT WE ARE BETTER OFF IN YOUR COOL BRITANIA!
Posted by: subrosa on 11:29pm Sun 23 Mar 08
What wonderful poetry we've had today. Reminds me of primary school :) Brought a smile to my face too.
What wonderful poetry we've had today. Reminds me of primary school :) Brought a smile to my face too.
Posted by: Walton, Glasgow on 11:44pm Sun 23 Mar 08
I don't always rate your pieces, Ian, but you're clearly on a roll this week. This is a great article, as is the one about the crisis of capitalism and socialism for the banks. Good stuff!
I don't always rate your pieces, Ian, but you're clearly on a roll this week. This is a great article, as is the one about the crisis of capitalism and socialism for the banks. Good stuff!
Posted by: Penny Woppa, the sweetie shop on 11:53pm Sun 23 Mar 08
Darling has only got one ball,
Des Browne has two but very small,
Ruth Kelly has something smelly,
And Gordon has no balls at all!
Darling has only got one ball,
Des Browne has two but very small,
Ruth Kelly has something smelly,
And Gordon has no balls at all!
Posted by: Steve A, in panic room hiding from stalker! on 12:13am Mon 24 Mar 08
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HEEEEEEY HEY WENDY OOH AHH I WANT TA KNOWOOOWWWW OWWWWW OWO O WOO IF YOULL SHOWWWWW O OWW YER E MAILS. Poor i know but you can always have a bit off fun with wendy she is a funny girl!!