Labour’s laughter waning as Brown marks his first year Iain Macwhirter
on Labour losses WHEN HE called for "British jobs for British workers" in that infamous conference speech, who could have imagined that, within eight months, Labour would be beaten by the British National Party in a by-election. Labour never expected to come anywhere in Henley - one of the safest Tory seats in the land. But never before has Labour come fifth while in government, and to end up behind the BNP is Gordon Brown's ultimate humiliation. And all on the first anniversary of his entering Number 10.
It can't go on like this. In the past two months, Brown has suffered Labour's worst local government losses since 1968 in the English local elections. He has lost the London mayoral election to the Conservatives, as well as the safe Labour seat of Crewe and Nantwich. Next up: another stunning by-election defeat in the old Glasgow Shettleston seat, where David Marshall is standing down due to ill health? Then there is a Scottish parliamentary by-election in Wishaw when Labour MSP Jack McConnell departs for his role as British high commissioner to Malawi.
On the same day as the Henley by-electon disaster, Labour's Scottish leader, Wendy Alexander, became the first leader ever to be suspended from a British legislature, following her fund-raising imbroglio. Her resignation may seem a sidebar to the implosion of the Brown government, but it is not an insignificant one. Labour has always depended on its bedrock of Scottish seats for its security in Westminster. Now, even that is in doubt.
Labour is slipping into the abyss north and south of the Border. In the latest YouGov/Telegraph opinion poll, only 3% of those asked said they thought Brown was an improvement on Tony Blair. Two-thirds believe he is an electoral liability for his own party. The Tories are 20% ahead in the opinion polls, enough to deliver a majority of about 177 were an election to be called soon. The psephological oracle, Professor John Curtice of the University of Strathclyde, has spoken: no leader has ever recovered from a collapse so dramatic. With an unpopular leader, an economy going down the toilet and a government bereft of ideas, just muddling through isn't an option.
The significance of Henley is that the Tories gained directly from the Labour slump, rather than via a swing to the Liberal Democrats. David Cameron is now being taken seriously as a possible prime minister, and his party, so demoralised and ideologically confused last year, has regained its confidence.
Yes, political leaders have suffered disastrous poll slumps before - think of Bill Clinton in 1994, when he lost Congress and seemed finished. He came back from oblivion, say Labour, and so can Brown. But our system is not a presidential one. In America, presidents can always fall back on the dignity of office and respect accorded to the head of state. Here, the prime minister is primus inter pares - first among equals - and regarded as inherently fallible, which explains why, when prime ministers lose it, they really lose it.
And Brown has clearly lost the plot. No-one knows what he stands for, even members of his own Cabinet. Whether it is the election that never was, the Iraq withdrawal that never was; the Lisbon Treaty; the Olympic torch; 42-day detention; the 10p tax rate or the independence referendum, Brown has been all over the place. We are told by his aides that the prime minister has been quietly working his way through the undergrowth of British social inequality, stealthily redirecting wealth to single parents and the poor, bolstering child care, promoting green energy, easing the credit crunch but all we see of this is dodgy deals with the Ulster Unionists; transparent tax bribes that don't work and patronising lectures about wage restraint while the City enriches itself amid the wreckage of the financial system.
There is an air of split personality about the PM - he is a Jekyll and Hyde prime minister. There is the social democratic, internationalist Brown, a tolerant and confident leader with great intelligence and a vision for the world. But there is another Brown: an obsessive, manipulative and dithering appeaser, who lacks the courage of his convictions when dealing with the Chinese dictators, Eurocrats and the editor of the Daily Mail. Mr Hyde/Hide seems to be in the ascendant.
"Lefty twaddle," say the prime minister's apologists, Brown has been playing the right tunes, it's just that he cannot be heard against the crashing of the world economy. He can't help it if American banks start handing home loans to people without jobs or assets. When the economy turns down, political fortunes fall with it.It's the economy, stupid.
No, it's the excuse that is stupid. The whole point about Brown was that, as "the most successful chancellor in 200 years", he was supposed to be the ideal person to have at the helm when the economy entered stormy seas. I recall Labour people telling me that a bit of economic turbulence would be no bad thing and would increase Brown's popularity as people responded to his sober and sensible economic competence. You simply can't turn around now and blame world market conditions.
Actually, I think that the British voters have been rather kinder to the PM than might have been expected. Look at the prices in the shops - if this were Italy, the mammas would be out there banging their pots and pans and threatening insurrection; if this were France, the truckers and farmers would be turning London into gridlock and dumping manure on the steps of Number 10. We British seem to be on our best behaviour.
We express our discontent through the newspaper letters columns, blogs, and at by-elections - which is why Henley is so important. Cameron has managed to make the Conservatives look not only electable, but almost liberal compared to Labour. People are turning against Labour's surveillance society - against the intrusive snooping by local authorities; the neurotic vetting of potential paedophiles; the "equality" legislation that institutionalises discrimination.
There should be a leadership challenge, but there won't be. Labour has lost the will to power; it is exhausted, confused, demoralised and financially and ideologically bankrupt. It is no longer a question of if the Tories will win, but how long Labour will be in opposition.
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Posted by: Duns Scotus, Berwick on 9:42pm Sat 28 Jun 08
[quote]Labour would be beaten by the British National Party in a by-election[/quote]
I thought Labour were the BNP!
Labour would be beaten by the British National Party in a by-election
I thought Labour were the BNP!
Posted by: Duns Scotus, Berwick on 9:56pm Sat 28 Jun 08
For a devasting critique of Gazza bean from last December's Guardian:
http://www.guardian
.co.uk/commentisfree
/2007/
dec/14/comment.polit
ics1
For a devasting critique of Gazza bean from last December's Guardian:
http://www.guardian
.co.uk/commentisfree
/2007/
dec/14/comment.polit
ics1
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 9:57pm Sat 28 Jun 08
Wow, a damning article from Ian.
I don't think brown can hold for much longer, these by-elections will be the end for him, even if Labour snip through with a small majority, the writing will be on the wall.
If the SNP can gather a big swing in Shettleston and Motherwell, it will mean that they can repeat that right around Scotland.
Make no mistake, these are both Labour safe seats and it will require a huge effort from the SNP to overturn them, but they have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Wow, a damning article from Ian.
I don't think brown can hold for much longer, these by-elections will be the end for him, even if Labour snip through with a small majority, the writing will be on the wall.
If the SNP can gather a big swing in Shettleston and Motherwell, it will mean that they can repeat that right around Scotland.
Make no mistake, these are both Labour safe seats and it will require a huge effort from the SNP to overturn them, but they have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Posted by: Traquir, Alba on 11:20pm Sat 28 Jun 08
It sounds like Scottish by-election woes
are piling up for Maggie Broon.
"the SNP was preparing for a by-election because a Scottish Labour MP was ill."
And guess what it is NOT Glasgow
East MP David Marshall :)
see - tinyurl.com/4lsfow & tinyurl.com/4kf34m
In terms of the David Marshall by-election
we should start to leverage and
hone our collective Cybernat talents to
prepare the ground work for an SNP
victory. One good starting point will be
to have somebody pop down to Borders
book store in Glasgow's West End
and get a copy of "Halls of Infamy by James MacDonald. The book contains allegation
of yet more Labour sleaze and it
focuses on Glasgow City Hall which is
trying to actively ban the book
see - tinyurl.com/62zol5
The fact that a favorite Labour candidate
for David Marshall's seat is the
Glasgow City Hall Councillor George Ryan
from Ward 19 Shettleston, would make
the Halls of Infamy particularly topical.
Scottish Labour have disgraced Scotland
for way too long and need to be removed
from the political landscape so that
Scotland can prosper as a nation in her
own right.
Saor Alba
It sounds like Scottish by-election woes
are piling up for Maggie Broon.
"the SNP was preparing for a by-election because a Scottish Labour MP was ill."
And guess what it is NOT Glasgow
East MP David Marshall :)
see - tinyurl.com/4lsfow & tinyurl.com/4kf34m
In terms of the David Marshall by-election
we should start to leverage and
hone our collective Cybernat talents to
prepare the ground work for an SNP
victory. One good starting point will be
to have somebody pop down to Borders
book store in Glasgow's West End
and get a copy of "Halls of Infamy by James MacDonald. The book contains allegation
of yet more Labour sleaze and it
focuses on Glasgow City Hall which is
trying to actively ban the book
see - tinyurl.com/62zol5
The fact that a favorite Labour candidate
for David Marshall's seat is the
Glasgow City Hall Councillor George Ryan
from Ward 19 Shettleston, would make
the Halls of Infamy particularly topical.
Scottish Labour have disgraced Scotland
for way too long and need to be removed
from the political landscape so that
Scotland can prosper as a nation in her
own right.
Saor Alba
Posted by: Tom McAlister on 11:50pm Sat 28 Jun 08
Very informative, "Traquir", Alba at 11:20pm.
It's time a spotlight was focused more directly on the city hall carpet bagging, asset stripping Labour privateers and their public spirited dealings in private enterprise behind closed doors. That Labour council cabal and their beezness pals, makes the Speculative Debating Society of Edinburgh look like rank amateurs as far as secrecy and horse trading, mutual beneficial 'dealings' are concerned.
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Very informative, "Traquir", Alba at 11:20pm.
It's time a spotlight was focused more directly on the city hall carpet bagging, asset stripping Labour privateers and their public spirited dealings in private enterprise behind closed doors. That Labour council cabal and their beezness pals, makes the Speculative Debating Society of Edinburgh look like rank amateurs as far as secrecy and horse trading, mutual beneficial 'dealings' are concerned.
.
Posted by: Tom McAlister on Sun 29 Jun 08
... and while ah'm on the subject of Labour and their partiality to boardrooms and the like.
Ah hear yon fella, ra ex enforcer is enjoying fiscal re numerations doon ra East end way; what wae his contacts an aw. For services rendered, no doubt.
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... and while ah'm on the subject of Labour and their partiality to boardrooms and the like.
Ah hear yon fella, ra ex enforcer is enjoying fiscal re numerations doon ra East end way; what wae his contacts an aw. For services rendered, no doubt.
.
Posted by: Traquir, Alba on 12:21am Sun 29 Jun 08
What could be more sweet than a couple
of Scottish MP by-election wins for
the SNP ? Well how about a defection that
would work :) How about this one previously
predicted by the impressive
and very reliable
Scottish journalist Paul Hutcheon.
Quite likely all that he got wrong was
the timing and likely now would be
the perfect time before the Labour
ship sinks completely.
"Labour MP poised for defection to SNP POLITICS: SECRET TALKS"
tinyurl.com/5xz22y
What could be more sweet than a couple
of Scottish MP by-election wins for
the SNP ? Well how about a defection that
would work :) How about this one previously
predicted by the impressive
and very reliable
Scottish journalist Paul Hutcheon.
Quite likely all that he got wrong was
the timing and likely now would be
the perfect time before the Labour
ship sinks completely.
"Labour MP poised for defection to SNP POLITICS: SECRET TALKS"
tinyurl.com/5xz22y
Posted by: Morag, Peeblesshire on 12:57am Sun 29 Jun 08
I'm more than slightly gobsmacked that Iain is prepared to suggest that the SNP have any sort of realistic chance of winning in Glasgow East. One of the safest Labour seats in the country, needing a 22% swing to take it. It makes Crewe and Nantwich look like a marginal. Does Iain really realise quite the size of the mountain that has to be climbed to do it, or was he opinionating before examining the psephological realities?
I do think it might be feasible, but not without a huge amount of effort, and the right candidate of course. However, we have to recognise that even a 20% swing to the SNP and a narrow hold for Labour would in fact be a very good result for the SNP. I'm just worried that the expectations will be set so high that even that excellent result will be portrayed as failure, and Labour will crow as if they'd just won the next general election.
I'm more than slightly gobsmacked that Iain is prepared to suggest that the SNP have any sort of realistic chance of winning in Glasgow East. One of the safest Labour seats in the country, needing a 22% swing to take it. It makes Crewe and Nantwich look like a marginal. Does Iain really realise quite the size of the mountain that has to be climbed to do it, or was he opinionating before examining the psephological realities?
I do think it might be feasible, but not without a huge amount of effort, and the right candidate of course. However, we have to recognise that even a 20% swing to the SNP and a narrow hold for Labour would in fact be a very good result for the SNP. I'm just worried that the expectations will be set so high that even that excellent result will be portrayed as failure, and Labour will crow as if they'd just won the next general election.
Posted by: Ronald, Glasgow on 12:59am Sun 29 Jun 08
Good posting duns scotus, these new labour animals have enacted policys that the bnp can only dream about.
no coincidence then that the scottish torys should try and stop wendy from being barred from the parliament !
Good posting duns scotus, these new labour animals have enacted policys that the bnp can only dream about.
no coincidence then that the scottish torys should try and stop wendy from being barred from the parliament !
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 2:59am Sun 29 Jun 08
MacWhirter[quote]We British seem to be on our best behaviour.[/quote] Oops!
MacWhirter
We British seem to be on our best behaviour.
Oops!
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 4:17am Sun 29 Jun 08
[quote]"We British"[/quote] Not me. Therein lies the "Labour" problem in Scotland.
"We British"
Not me. Therein lies the "Labour" problem in Scotland.
Posted by: Alec M, Falkirk on 8:06am Sun 29 Jun 08
Morag @ 12.57
"even a 20% swing to the SNP and a narrow hold for Labour would in fact be a very good result for the SNP. I'm just worried that the expectations will be set so high that even that excellent result will be portrayed as failure, and Labour will crow as if they'd just won the next general election."
An excellent post. We can afford to be optimistic, but "never count your chickens ..."
Morag @ 12.57
"even a 20% swing to the SNP and a narrow hold for Labour would in fact be a very good result for the SNP. I'm just worried that the expectations will be set so high that even that excellent result will be portrayed as failure, and Labour will crow as if they'd just won the next general election."
An excellent post. We can afford to be optimistic, but "never count your chickens ..."
Posted by: Fairdoes, Glasgow on 9:11am Sun 29 Jun 08
[bold]London would prefer Boris Johnson[/bold] to be their mayor that a Labour Candidate
[bold]Henley would prefer the BNP[/bold] to a Labour candidate
All over England the people are doing anything they can to get rid of Labour and get a right wing government in power.
I hope the Scots who have voted for 50 years in 17 General Elections in the hope of socialist government will now realise that there never will be a socialist government and vote in their own interest - for [bold]the Scottish electorate to get the government Scotland votes for.[/bold]
London would prefer Boris Johnson to be their mayor that a Labour Candidate
Henley would prefer the BNP to a Labour candidate
All over England the people are doing anything they can to get rid of Labour and get a right wing government in power.
I hope the Scots who have voted for 50 years in 17 General Elections in the hope of socialist government will now realise that there never will be a socialist government and vote in their own interest - for
the Scottish electorate to get the government Scotland votes for. Posted by: wullie on 10:05am Sun 29 Jun 08
A fair article that goes someway to re-dressing the appaling pro Labour bias and censorship that has been de-rigeur in the Herald these past months.
Maybe declining sales have forced the Herald management to allow objective journalists the right to publish informative accurate and impartial articles.
I say this as someone who has stopped buying the Herald because of the recent bias.
A fair article that goes someway to re-dressing the appaling pro Labour bias and censorship that has been de-rigeur in the Herald these past months.
Maybe declining sales have forced the Herald management to allow objective journalists the right to publish informative accurate and impartial articles.
I say this as someone who has stopped buying the Herald because of the recent bias.
Posted by: Duns Scotus, Berwick on 10:22am Sun 29 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Alec M[/bold] wrote:
Morag @ 12.57 "even a 20% swing to the SNP and a narrow hold for Labour would in fact be a very good result for the SNP. I'm just worried that the expectations will be set so high that even that excellent result will be portrayed as failure, and Labour will crow as if they'd just won the next general election." An excellent post. We can afford to be optimistic, but "never count your chickens ..."[/quote] Agreed - we can hold our heads high and be optimistic. But keep our feet on the ground.
[bold]Turning both seats into marginals that can be taken in 2010 will do me fine.[/bold]
Think of it this way; what Labour "Buggins turn" candidate would relish being put up to "keep the seat warm" for two years for the SNP to take?
Alec M wrote:
Morag @ 12.57 "even a 20% swing to the SNP and a narrow hold for Labour would in fact be a very good result for the SNP. I'm just worried that the expectations will be set so high that even that excellent result will be portrayed as failure, and Labour will crow as if they'd just won the next general election." An excellent post. We can afford to be optimistic, but "never count your chickens ..."
Agreed - we can hold our heads high and be optimistic. But keep our feet on the ground.
Turning both seats into marginals that can be taken in 2010 will do me fine.
Think of it this way; what Labour "Buggins turn" candidate would relish being put up to "keep the seat warm" for two years for the SNP to take?
Posted by: pehman, sussex on 12:21pm Sun 29 Jun 08
Morag,
Good advice, and it needs to be heeded, BUT we did take Govan with a swing of around the size, so it's not an impossible dream.
And "IF" we can take Shettleston then I'm certain we can take Motherwell,Glenrothe
s and even Paisley
Morag,
Good advice, and it needs to be heeded, BUT we did take Govan with a swing of around the size, so it's not an impossible dream.
And "IF" we can take Shettleston then I'm certain we can take Motherwell,Glenrothe
s and even Paisley
Posted by: Buckpool Loon, Cheshire on 1:16pm Sun 29 Jun 08
TRAQUIR & WARDOG - slightly off post here - But if you really want to know the reason why Blair tagged along with Bush on Iraq and Westminster's dog like devotion to the USA's foriegn policies I recommend you Google into Dan Plesch - especially his article 'Britain's choice - nuclear weapons or foriegn policy.' 11/07/2006 and his current one on Britains position on weapons of mass destruction.
They will almost certainly enlighten you on the costs and risk attached to Westminsters amoral values.
TRAQUIR & WARDOG - slightly off post here - But if you really want to know the reason why Blair tagged along with Bush on Iraq and Westminster's dog like devotion to the USA's foriegn policies I recommend you Google into Dan Plesch - especially his article 'Britain's choice - nuclear weapons or foriegn policy.' 11/07/2006 and his current one on Britains position on weapons of mass destruction.
They will almost certainly enlighten you on the costs and risk attached to Westminsters amoral values.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 2:52pm Sun 29 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Buckpool Loon[/bold] wrote:
TRAQUIR & WARDOG - slightly off post here - But if you really want to know the reason why Blair tagged along with Bush on Iraq and Westminster's dog like devotion to the USA's foriegn policies I recommend you Google into Dan Plesch - especially his article 'Britain's choice - nuclear weapons or foriegn policy.' 11/07/2006 and his current one on Britains position on weapons of mass destruction.
They will almost certainly enlighten you on the costs and risk attached to Westminsters amoral values.[/quote]
Thanks Buckpool Loon
Have read some articles by Plesch before and have just read his latest "The Future of Britain's WMD" and it's an incredibly powerful case that he puts forward..... these issues are going to be central to the notions of independence with the run up to 2010.
www.danplesch.net
Buckpool Loon wrote:
TRAQUIR & WARDOG - slightly off post here - But if you really want to know the reason why Blair tagged along with Bush on Iraq and Westminster's dog like devotion to the USA's foriegn policies I recommend you Google into Dan Plesch - especially his article 'Britain's choice - nuclear weapons or foriegn policy.' 11/07/2006 and his current one on Britains position on weapons of mass destruction.
They will almost certainly enlighten you on the costs and risk attached to Westminsters amoral values.
Thanks Buckpool Loon
Have read some articles by Plesch before and have just read his latest "The Future of Britain's WMD" and it's an incredibly powerful case that he puts forward..... these issues are going to be central to the notions of independence with the run up to 2010.
www.danplesch.net
Posted by: Terry Duncan, Bridlington, East Yorks on 5:13pm Sun 29 Jun 08
If Gordon Brown believes in the future of the Labour Party he should resign NOW, take with him all the incompetents on his Front Bench and hand over to a wholly new regime
If Gordon Brown believes in the future of the Labour Party he should resign NOW, take with him all the incompetents on his Front Bench and hand over to a wholly new regime
Posted by: Jim, Irvine on 7:20pm Sun 29 Jun 08
Ian ; you and Paul H have surpassed yourselves
in shining the light on the Union woes..
Scotland Legal system needs a Light shone into its murky corners as well.United Nations observer Dr Hans Kuchler said in his report of
the Lockerbie Bombing. "That Justice has to be
seen to be done Free of Political and Foreign
Interference." Al Magrahis Appeal is not free from that interference.
We dont get a Union Dividend from Our Judges.
Ian ; you and Paul H have surpassed yourselves
in shining the light on the Union woes..
Scotland Legal system needs a Light shone into its murky corners as well.United Nations observer Dr Hans Kuchler said in his report of
the Lockerbie Bombing. "That Justice has to be
seen to be done Free of Political and Foreign
Interference." Al Magrahis Appeal is not free from that interference.
We dont get a Union Dividend from Our Judges.
Posted by: Brian Hille, Edinburgh on 8:09pm Sun 29 Jun 08
Another excellent article from I M. Yes we are lucky to have Iain and Paul, SOS has nothing to touch them.
Past by election results tell us this seat is winnable but also the circumstances have never been so favourable for us. Way ahead in the polls, still hugely popular after 14 months of Government and Labour in total disarray, politically and financially.
The clincher is this. Elections are won by people. People electioneering and people voting. Labour voters and the Labour election machine are tired and demoralised.
The psychology, the money, the enthusiasm, the desire to win, the self belief and the politics are all with the SNP.
Only voter apathy can defeat us, which is why this needs to be an old fashioned by election with wave after wave of SNP workers swarming all over the constituency.
Everybody who can be there, should be there. Let's do it!
Another excellent article from I M. Yes we are lucky to have Iain and Paul, SOS has nothing to touch them.
Past by election results tell us this seat is winnable but also the circumstances have never been so favourable for us. Way ahead in the polls, still hugely popular after 14 months of Government and Labour in total disarray, politically and financially.
The clincher is this. Elections are won by people. People electioneering and people voting. Labour voters and the Labour election machine are tired and demoralised.
The psychology, the money, the enthusiasm, the desire to win, the self belief and the politics are all with the SNP.
Only voter apathy can defeat us, which is why this needs to be an old fashioned by election with wave after wave of SNP workers swarming all over the constituency.
Everybody who can be there, should be there. Let's do it!
Posted by: wisnaeme, wisnae there on 9:40pm Sun 29 Jun 08
Jim ,Irvine at 7.20pm today, wrote:
[quote]
Scotland's legal system needs a light shone into its murky corners as well.
[/quote]
Indeed, Jim.
...and a more recent observation on the same subject from himself:
[quote]
[bold]it is almost trivial to say that a fair trial requires the availability of the evidence to both the prosecution and defence.
Only in a totalitarian system would the executive power interfere in court proceedings and order the with-holding of evidence and/or replace defence lawyers by MI-approved lawyers.
The fact that the new appeal proceedings take place in Scotland is not in conformity with the original intergovernmental agreement on the Lockerbie trial (which provided extraterritorial arrangements, with the presence of UN-appointed observers, also for appeal).
Under the present circumstances, there is a total lack of transparency of the proceedings. The entire procedure (with the P11 as core issue of the appeal) looks more like an intelligence operation than a genuine undertaking of criminal justice.[/bold]
[/quote]
Once apon a time, years ago I took myself down to Westmidden on a search for justice from the powers that had the influence to enable justice to be done and to be seen to be done.
...and whilst apon that quest in that big house in London, I came to meet Mr Salmond. After explaining the purpose of my errand, did he not say that " It is a pity that I have come such a long way only to be disappointed and that Scottish justice is a rare commodity to be seeking in that place."
Years have gone by and Alex has been proven right, yet again with his very acute perception of future event forecasting.
[bold]I fear that it will not be in Scotland, nor Holland, nor even in London that will be worth the travelling to in search of justice for the victims and their families of the Lockerbie tragic accident. I will have to travel much further afield in search of the powers that be that have maligned and influenced Scottish justice.
... and in Washington, I will be just as disappointed at the results of seeking justice as I was in Scotland, in London or in any other place where special interests of state, the establishment and personages take precidence over human rights and the honourable dispensation of justice.
He11 will freeze over before wrong doing and criminal coverup will be admitted and seperated from the collusion and collaboration from influential vested interests and those in their thrawl.That's for sure.[/bold]
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Jim ,Irvine at 7.20pm today, wrote:
Scotland's legal system needs a light shone into its murky corners as well.
Indeed, Jim.
...and a more recent observation on the same subject from himself:
it is almost trivial to say that a fair trial requires the availability of the evidence to both the prosecution and defence.
Only in a totalitarian system would the executive power interfere in court proceedings and order the with-holding of evidence and/or replace defence lawyers by MI-approved lawyers.
The fact that the new appeal proceedings take place in Scotland is not in conformity with the original intergovernmental agreement on the Lockerbie trial (which provided extraterritorial arrangements, with the presence of UN-appointed observers, also for appeal).
Under the present circumstances, there is a total lack of transparency of the proceedings. The entire procedure (with the P11 as core issue of the appeal) looks more like an intelligence operation than a genuine undertaking of criminal justice.
Once apon a time, years ago I took myself down to Westmidden on a search for justice from the powers that had the influence to enable justice to be done and to be seen to be done.
...and whilst apon that quest in that big house in London, I came to meet Mr Salmond. After explaining the purpose of my errand, did he not say that " It is a pity that I have come such a long way only to be disappointed and that Scottish justice is a rare commodity to be seeking in that place."
Years have gone by and Alex has been proven right, yet again with his very acute perception of future event forecasting.
I fear that it will not be in Scotland, nor Holland, nor even in London that will be worth the travelling to in search of justice for the victims and their families of the Lockerbie tragic accident. I will have to travel much further afield in search of the powers that be that have maligned and influenced Scottish justice.
... and in Washington, I will be just as disappointed at the results of seeking justice as I was in Scotland, in London or in any other place where special interests of state, the establishment and personages take precidence over human rights and the honourable dispensation of justice.
He11 will freeze over before wrong doing and criminal coverup will be admitted and seperated from the collusion and collaboration from influential vested interests and those in their thrawl.That's for sure.
.