THE RED MENACE The world's markets gambled on financial alchemy. They lost.
By Iain MacWhirter COME BACK Karl Marx, all is forgiven. Just when everyone thought that the German philosopher's critique of capitalism had been buried with the Soviet Union, suddenly capitalism reverts to type. It has laid a colossal, global egg and plunged the world economy into precisely the kind of crisis he forecast.
The irony, though, is that this time it isn't the working classes who are demanding that the state should take over, but the banks. The capitalists are throwing themselves on the mercy of government, demanding subsidies and protection from the capitalist market - it's socialism for the banks. Hedge fund managers of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your bonuses.
On Friday, the heads of the big five British banks demanded - and got - another £5 billion in "emergency liquidity" from the Bank of England to add to the £5bn they received earlier in the week. But like militant shop stewards they complained it wasn't enough. "Look how much the banks are getting in Europe and America," they whinged. Hundreds of billions of dollars and euros are being thrown at banks in an attempt to save them from themselves.
The quaint idea that loss-making companies should fail, to ensure the health and vitality of the capitalist system, has quietly been discarded. The banks, we are told, are "too big to fail", which means that they have to be taken into public ownership - like Northern Rock - or have their debts underwritten by government, like Bear Stearns, which comes to much the same thing. The central banks are also cutting interest rates to try to boost banking profits, and this is making currencies such as the dollar increasingly unstable.
Which takes us back to Marx. The crisis that is rocking the world is a classic example of the kind of shocks and dislocations that Marx said were an essential feature of a competitive capitalist economy. The falling rate of profit that results from too much investment piling into new technologies and commodities forces capital to engage in a constant search for profit.
As it becomes harder and harder to make money out of making things - just look at the collapse in prices of computers over the last decade - so exotic financial derivatives have been created to boost wealth without engaging in recognisable economic activity. Speculation takes over. British manufacturing has collapsed to a fraction of what it was 20 years ago, and a vast financial services sector has grown up in its place making money largely out of inflation in house prices, ie debt.
Moreover, with globalisation, trillions of dollars have been washing around the world markets looking for a home. This has created a monster: the market in financial derivatives; a Pandora's box of inscrutable financial instruments governed by supposedly failsafe mathematical formulae. Collateralised debt obligations - implicated in the subprime mortgage crisis - are at least rooted in nominal house prices, but they have been detached from the actual mortgages and sold as commodities in the securities market.
Credit default swaps have created a $45 trillion global industry based on nothing at all, merely speculating on the movements of currencies and commodity prices. A credit default swap is a kind of insurance contract taken out between two bankers who bet on the price of an asset. They don't need to own the asset, and there is no actual loss if the default happens. But the contracts can be traded, allowing the swappers to create value out of nothing but their own agreement.
According to the Bank for International Settlement in Basel, the global derivatives market is worth some $516 trillion - 10 times the value of all the world's stock markets put together. And much of it is based on very little but leveraged optimism; pieces of paper theoretically based on the price of an empty house in Cleveland, Ohio.
Billions have been magicked out of nothing by this financial alchemy, but in the end, there is no way of turning dross into gold, and the reckoning had to come. And someone had to pay - which is where we, the people, come in.
As happened in the 1930s, the whole system is collapsing. We are faced with the choice of colossal bank defaults or hyper inflation: saving the banks or saving our savings. The central bankers decided that they would rather save the banks. So our governments are using public money to bolster banking balance sheets and allowing inflation to rip so that the banks' losses will be devalued, along with the pound in your pocket.
So what happens now? Or as Lenin said, What Is To Be Done? Well, not Communism for a start. Central control and outright state ownership along Soviet lines is no longer a viable political option - an undemocratic public monopoly is almost as bad as a private one. The fact that the banks are currently in league with western governments to create a kind of financial communism is doubly disturbing.
Instead of just propping up bankrupt banks, the governments should be democratising them - mobilising their assets to stimulate the productive economy, repairing infrastructure, researching and developing new markets, and refitting western economies to combat climate change. It needs a kind of green New Deal - an update on Roosevelt's imaginative policies of the 1930s fought tooth and nail by the banks.
They want unlimited access to public money to save themselves from the consequences of their own actions; welfare for the wealthy. This is above all a political, not an economic problem. There needs to be a political mobilisation of public opinion to force the banks and the government to bring the people into the equation. Unfortunately, the party that used to perform this function, Labour, has largely been bought out by the banks. They have privatised the government, even as they have socialised the financial markets.
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Posted by: Scott2006, Outside Glasgow on 5:35am Sun 23 Mar 08
Iain, Karl Marx visited the British Library to collect the relevant data to produce his critic of the capitalist system.
The events of 1848 or any year where a malfunctioning governmental system fails to feed the starving or allow able and forward thinking people to earn an honest wage will grind to a halt and perhaps be overthrown by idealists.
Idealists need to be pragmatic when in government and lose the overt idealism - Mr G Brown has been on such a journey.
Mr Mugabe and his brand of socialism in the vein of North Korea one of allies is in much greater danger of collapse.
Mr Ben Bernanke is an economist who well understands the conditions of October 1929 and the strength and weakness of being in a currency attached to the gold standard.
Richard Nixon believed his economy in 1971 was large enough to sustain the value of its currency as a creator of wealth and removed the connection to the gold standard.
The top economists have access to data and data sets of information on the competeing models of the areas of the economy and the differing variables in those cycles - millions and billions of individual pieces of information more relevant than Marx in todays vibrant economy.
The intellectual economy will not suffer, the aids to Ben Bernanke will seek to utilise the best practise and with the greatest degree of forethought of how individuals and individuals firms should act when inflation hits the United States and other areas of the world. The world economy needs stability and growth that can turn todays cash at the government level into real assets over a 25 year time scale. Japan in the 1980s decided to fight the inflationary pressures by having low interest rates after their economy was over-valued previously in world terms. A few years of high inflation that Japan endured when growing fast in the 1960s had succeeded in the ruling cliques in politics and business endeavouring to avoid that repetition.
The British economy can best fight inflation when it comes by continuing to follow policies which outgrow the real inflation level at that time.
A balanced series of judgements of when to intervene to stop unwarranted abuses rising to affect agents of the macroeconomy is fully justifiable and beneficial.
Banks should plan to be around solving small liquidity cash flow transactions at the microeconomic level for the next many many years or so. They may not have a 25 year plan - but they most certainly can see living standards rise overall and as the capitalist system swaps knowledge and applied local understandings with long term investments in 'the means of production' of everything from housing stock and all the services and sectors of the economy in the real world in the years 2008 to 2032.
Inflation can be predicted a few months before it actually arrives - there any many factors which central government and its bankers will use to manage this phenomena that were never possible in 1929-1933 period and the slow period of marginal recovery before the second world war.
The UK needs accurate information gathering and politicians and business leaders helping to restore confidence in the underlying economy and retaining a competitive edge that will see real living standards improve year on year in real terms with a manageable amount of moderate inflation caused by counteracting the speculative players in mainly overseas trading partners.
Iain, Karl Marx visited the British Library to collect the relevant data to produce his critic of the capitalist system.
The events of 1848 or any year where a malfunctioning governmental system fails to feed the starving or allow able and forward thinking people to earn an honest wage will grind to a halt and perhaps be overthrown by idealists.
Idealists need to be pragmatic when in government and lose the overt idealism - Mr G Brown has been on such a journey.
Mr Mugabe and his brand of socialism in the vein of North Korea one of allies is in much greater danger of collapse.
Mr Ben Bernanke is an economist who well understands the conditions of October 1929 and the strength and weakness of being in a currency attached to the gold standard.
Richard Nixon believed his economy in 1971 was large enough to sustain the value of its currency as a creator of wealth and removed the connection to the gold standard.
The top economists have access to data and data sets of information on the competeing models of the areas of the economy and the differing variables in those cycles - millions and billions of individual pieces of information more relevant than Marx in todays vibrant economy.
The intellectual economy will not suffer, the aids to Ben Bernanke will seek to utilise the best practise and with the greatest degree of forethought of how individuals and individuals firms should act when inflation hits the United States and other areas of the world. The world economy needs stability and growth that can turn todays cash at the government level into real assets over a 25 year time scale. Japan in the 1980s decided to fight the inflationary pressures by having low interest rates after their economy was over-valued previously in world terms. A few years of high inflation that Japan endured when growing fast in the 1960s had succeeded in the ruling cliques in politics and business endeavouring to avoid that repetition.
The British economy can best fight inflation when it comes by continuing to follow policies which outgrow the real inflation level at that time.
A balanced series of judgements of when to intervene to stop unwarranted abuses rising to affect agents of the macroeconomy is fully justifiable and beneficial.
Banks should plan to be around solving small liquidity cash flow transactions at the microeconomic level for the next many many years or so. They may not have a 25 year plan - but they most certainly can see living standards rise overall and as the capitalist system swaps knowledge and applied local understandings with long term investments in 'the means of production' of everything from housing stock and all the services and sectors of the economy in the real world in the years 2008 to 2032.
Inflation can be predicted a few months before it actually arrives - there any many factors which central government and its bankers will use to manage this phenomena that were never possible in 1929-1933 period and the slow period of marginal recovery before the second world war.
The UK needs accurate information gathering and politicians and business leaders helping to restore confidence in the underlying economy and retaining a competitive edge that will see real living standards improve year on year in real terms with a manageable amount of moderate inflation caused by counteracting the speculative players in mainly overseas trading partners.
Posted by: wee folding bike on 7:04am Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote]Unfortunately, the party that used to perform this function, Labour, has largely been bought out by the banks. They have privatised the government, even as they have socialised the financial markets.[/quote]
Wow. Someone is going to get Wendied big style for that one.
So is there an alternative party we could elect? Perhaps one led by an economist.
Unfortunately, the party that used to perform this function, Labour, has largely been bought out by the banks. They have privatised the government, even as they have socialised the financial markets.
Wow. Someone is going to get Wendied big style for that one.
So is there an alternative party we could elect? Perhaps one led by an economist.
Posted by: An t-Amadan, Alba on 9:05am Sun 23 Mar 08
We are now paying the price for the economic crimes of the World's Most Evil Woman, who deliberately destroyed and dismantled the country's economy in the 1980s to replace it with one based on theft, fraud and debt. Unfortunately oner part of the UK were so besotted with greed and the promise of money from nothing that they were too stupid to see what this she-devil was doing and kept voting her in, so are now reaping the results of her and their greed.
We are now paying the price for the economic crimes of the World's Most Evil Woman, who deliberately destroyed and dismantled the country's economy in the 1980s to replace it with one based on theft, fraud and debt. Unfortunately oner part of the UK were so besotted with greed and the promise of money from nothing that they were too stupid to see what this she-devil was doing and kept voting her in, so are now reaping the results of her and their greed.
Posted by: McSomeone, Scotland on 10:03am Sun 23 Mar 08
It wasn't just Thatcher, Blair is every bit as guilty. He could have restricted it's excesses if he wanted to, he had both the power and the time to do it in but he chose to let the gambling run riot with the nations wealth.
The question now is how is this going to effect and change the country, which make no mistake it is but will it be for better or for worse?
It wasn't just Thatcher, Blair is every bit as guilty. He could have restricted it's excesses if he wanted to, he had both the power and the time to do it in but he chose to let the gambling run riot with the nations wealth.
The question now is how is this going to effect and change the country, which make no mistake it is but will it be for better or for worse?
Posted by: Shirley Hodge, Glasgow on 10:08am Sun 23 Mar 08
Dispite all the various analysis and opinions put forward, some quite involved, some simplistic, of the current and past financial bubble bursting events in human history the eventuality of such has always been evident but no one seems to want to accept the fact that all of this is simply the outward manifestation of the very basic human quality - greed.
Dispite all the various analysis and opinions put forward, some quite involved, some simplistic, of the current and past financial bubble bursting events in human history the eventuality of such has always been evident but no one seems to want to accept the fact that all of this is simply the outward manifestation of the very basic human quality - greed.
Posted by: McSomeone, Scotland on 10:22am Sun 23 Mar 08
Of course greed came into it Shirley, both Thatcher and Blair used society's greed for their own political and personal ends by removing all the previous checks and balances that controlled that greed. It was their removal of the constraints that turned the city into one enormous supercasino (so beloved by our ex-divine leader)
As our leaders their responsibility was to the nation as a whole, that we all benefitted from it's wealth, not the few who completely lacked any scruples.
Of course greed came into it Shirley, both Thatcher and Blair used society's greed for their own political and personal ends by removing all the previous checks and balances that controlled that greed. It was their removal of the constraints that turned the city into one enormous supercasino (so beloved by our ex-divine leader)
As our leaders their responsibility was to the nation as a whole, that we all benefitted from it's wealth, not the few who completely lacked any scruples.
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 11:39am Sun 23 Mar 08
There is nothing that Thatcher did that Blair did not do worse.
There is nothing that Thatcher did that Blair did not do worse.
Posted by: Chris Cook, Linlithgow on 1:09pm Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote]Credit default swaps have created a $45 trillion global industry based on nothing at all, merely speculating on the movements of currencies and commodity prices. A credit default swap is a kind of insurance contract taken out between two bankers who bet on the price of an asset.[/quote]
In fact that is not the case, Ian.
A credit default swap is to all intents and purposes a guarantee of a debt for a defined period of time. So the "investor" is essentially insuring the bank against a default on a debt.
Nothing to with currencies and commodities, although God knows there are plenty of derivatives in those fields.
If you deconstruct what a Bank does as a "credit intermediary" the economic value actually lies in its provision of a guarantee of the credit it extends to a borrower, and Banks back these implicit guarantees with an amount of "Regulatory Capital" set by the Bank of International Settlements in Basel.
The credit banks create actually [bold]is[/bold] the money we use, and it is redeposited into the banking system as it is created.
Now, if one deducts from the "interest" the Bank charges:
(a) the interest it pays to depositors;
(b) the costs of defaults;
(c) operating costs;
then it will usually make a profit, particularly if it tacks on other charges as well.
The point is that Credit = Money costs nothing to create: it is the guarantee that is valuable. It follows that when banks are worried about defaults (as they are) then the arbitrary Central Bank interest rate is entirely irrelevant.
Now the problem has been that Banks as "credit intermediaries" have been "outsourcing" this guarantee:
(a) totally - through the process of "securitisation" - which got them into trouble before in the US Wall Street Crash (hence the Glass Steagall Act in 1933) and - after "deregulation"/ repeal of this Act - it has happened again, surprise, surprise;
(b)temporarily - but in a totally opaque way -through credit derivatives, as above;
(c) partially - through credit insurance through "monoline" insurance companies who have taken on massively more risk than regulators should ever have allowed them to do on the basis of their balance sheet.
Now add to this toxic cocktail the "slicing and dicing" of the myriad complex instruments of structured finance eg collateralised debt obligations and you have the current meltdown.
You've heard of "Peak Oil" - well we have now also seen "Peak Credit".
In my opinion - and I used to design financial products for a living - there is a solution, but it does not involve credit.
I call it "asset-based" finance involving the "unitisation" of producution and revenues using legal forms other than the (obsolescent) Limited Liability Company.
This is already happening, if you know where to look, and I've been working on it here in Scotland for a couple of years now, and getting a lot of interest.
You should have a look at it.
Credit default swaps have created a $45 trillion global industry based on nothing at all, merely speculating on the movements of currencies and commodity prices. A credit default swap is a kind of insurance contract taken out between two bankers who bet on the price of an asset.
In fact that is not the case, Ian.
A credit default swap is to all intents and purposes a guarantee of a debt for a defined period of time. So the "investor" is essentially insuring the bank against a default on a debt.
Nothing to with currencies and commodities, although God knows there are plenty of derivatives in those fields.
If you deconstruct what a Bank does as a "credit intermediary" the economic value actually lies in its provision of a guarantee of the credit it extends to a borrower, and Banks back these implicit guarantees with an amount of "Regulatory Capital" set by the Bank of International Settlements in Basel.
The credit banks create actually
is the money we use, and it is redeposited into the banking system as it is created.
Now, if one deducts from the "interest" the Bank charges:
(a) the interest it pays to depositors;
(b) the costs of defaults;
(c) operating costs;
then it will usually make a profit, particularly if it tacks on other charges as well.
The point is that Credit = Money costs nothing to create: it is the guarantee that is valuable. It follows that when banks are worried about defaults (as they are) then the arbitrary Central Bank interest rate is entirely irrelevant.
Now the problem has been that Banks as "credit intermediaries" have been "outsourcing" this guarantee:
(a) totally - through the process of "securitisation" - which got them into trouble before in the US Wall Street Crash (hence the Glass Steagall Act in 1933) and - after "deregulation"/ repeal of this Act - it has happened again, surprise, surprise;
(b)temporarily - but in a totally opaque way -through credit derivatives, as above;
(c) partially - through credit insurance through "monoline" insurance companies who have taken on massively more risk than regulators should ever have allowed them to do on the basis of their balance sheet.
Now add to this toxic cocktail the "slicing and dicing" of the myriad complex instruments of structured finance eg collateralised debt obligations and you have the current meltdown.
You've heard of "Peak Oil" - well we have now also seen "Peak Credit".
In my opinion - and I used to design financial products for a living - there is a solution, but it does not involve credit.
I call it "asset-based" finance involving the "unitisation" of producution and revenues using legal forms other than the (obsolescent) Limited Liability Company.
This is already happening, if you know where to look, and I've been working on it here in Scotland for a couple of years now, and getting a lot of interest.
You should have a look at it.
Posted by: CommodeDoor, West Scotland on 11:52pm Sun 23 Mar 08
Do I understand this right? The banks have had a crap way of doing business, which has failed, and as they've all made billions of money from it, I now -in the form of taxes- have to pay for their bad business practice?
It seems that the rich people get rewarded for failure, and the rest of us get penalised. Wonder what someone from another world would think of the human race?
Do I understand this right? The banks have had a crap way of doing business, which has failed, and as they've all made billions of money from it, I now -in the form of taxes- have to pay for their bad business practice?
It seems that the rich people get rewarded for failure, and the rest of us get penalised. Wonder what someone from another world would think of the human race?
Posted by: Dave on 2:57pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Karl Marx was primarily Jewish,they were the folks that gave us that infamous bloody experiment of communism.
To refer to him as "German" is a little sneaky isn't it?
Karl Marx was primarily Jewish,they were the folks that gave us that infamous bloody experiment of communism.
To refer to him as "German" is a little sneaky isn't it?
Posted by: Jerry, Canada on 3:35pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Calling the banking crises a failure of "capitalism" is a misnomer. "Capitalism" requires "capital", which is not cheap money loaned into existence by reckless central banks but actual savings from reduced consumption, increased productivity and profits from legitimate business activity.
Central banks aided and abetted the banks' recklessness by encouraging them to lend money into all kinds of foolish speculation, and by inference promising to backstop their insanity by using taxpayers as human shields.
By assuming no risk, these people have proven they are not "capitalists" at all, just nanny-staters in limos eating Beluga caviar. Banking bailouts are socialism for the rich.
The games they played, and encouraged others to submerge themselves into debt to play as well, are not "capitalism".
Calling the banking crises a failure of "capitalism" is a misnomer. "Capitalism" requires "capital", which is not cheap money loaned into existence by reckless central banks but actual savings from reduced consumption, increased productivity and profits from legitimate business activity.
Central banks aided and abetted the banks' recklessness by encouraging them to lend money into all kinds of foolish speculation, and by inference promising to backstop their insanity by using taxpayers as human shields.
By assuming no risk, these people have proven they are not "capitalists" at all, just nanny-staters in limos eating Beluga caviar. Banking bailouts are socialism for the rich.
The games they played, and encouraged others to submerge themselves into debt to play as well, are not "capitalism".
Posted by: Lila Rajiva, Baltimore on 3:38pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Hi -
the article confuses a number of terms, credit default swap being only one of them.
The problem we are seeing in the markets today is not one of capitalism but of a perversion of capitalism called financialization. That is the subject of my new book with Bill Bonner, "Mobs, Messiahs and Markets" (to put in a plug) but was also, more tangentially, involved in an earlier book I wrote on torture (The Language of Empire) - where I examined the effects of privatization and outsourcing on the escalation of torture into a policy.
Don't blame the capital markets for what is actually a managed economy run by finance professionals and bankers to their benefit.
As for democratization - that's precisely we why we are in this mess. The current "capitalists" (in name only; they are mostly simple minded speculators) are the millions of small shareholders who invest in the markets through mutual funds, or lately, trading accounts. Their "investments' are nothing more than gambling....against the house - in this case, the big banks.
End result of the democratization of speculation is what you see now - the fall out from massive over-leveraged positions in instruments whose risk and reward are completely opaque.
Hi -
the article confuses a number of terms, credit default swap being only one of them.
The problem we are seeing in the markets today is not one of capitalism but of a perversion of capitalism called financialization. That is the subject of my new book with Bill Bonner, "Mobs, Messiahs and Markets" (to put in a plug) but was also, more tangentially, involved in an earlier book I wrote on torture (The Language of Empire) - where I examined the effects of privatization and outsourcing on the escalation of torture into a policy.
Don't blame the capital markets for what is actually a managed economy run by finance professionals and bankers to their benefit.
As for democratization - that's precisely we why we are in this mess. The current "capitalists" (in name only; they are mostly simple minded speculators) are the millions of small shareholders who invest in the markets through mutual funds, or lately, trading accounts. Their "investments' are nothing more than gambling....against the house - in this case, the big banks.
End result of the democratization of speculation is what you see now - the fall out from massive over-leveraged positions in instruments whose risk and reward are completely opaque.
Posted by: Buddy, Western USA on 4:00pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Actually, all that is needed is to "elect" good people to publik office. Right?
Actually, all that is needed is to "elect" good people to publik office. Right?
Posted by: Grass Ranger, USA on 4:02pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Von Mises also predicted a rollover of the economic system but from a substantially different perspective than Marx. His analysis was much more reasoned and logical than Marx. Mr. MacWhirter, I would encourage you to review von Mises and the Austrian theory of economics before turning the world over to Marx. You will find a lot of support for market based solutions to current problems.
Von Mises also predicted a rollover of the economic system but from a substantially different perspective than Marx. His analysis was much more reasoned and logical than Marx. Mr. MacWhirter, I would encourage you to review von Mises and the Austrian theory of economics before turning the world over to Marx. You will find a lot of support for market based solutions to current problems.
Posted by: CHAS WILSON, scotland on 4:24pm Mon 24 Mar 08
If we could only envision the masterplan and read a little about F William Engdhal's Seeds Of Destruction we would be able to observe mad cow didease and our leader's control over the sleeping population in the context of being starved to death and it maybe quicker than birth control.After all we can't eat paper money[bold]bold[/bold]
If we could only envision the masterplan and read a little about F William Engdhal's Seeds Of Destruction we would be able to observe mad cow didease and our leader's control over the sleeping population in the context of being starved to death and it maybe quicker than birth control.After all we can't eat paper money
Posted by: eugene losch, wv on 4:33pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Thank God a few other people have read "The Communist Manifesto" because no one in Washington or New York appear to have a remote concept of 1848. The best article I have read in years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thank God a few other people have read "The Communist Manifesto" because no one in Washington or New York appear to have a remote concept of 1848. The best article I have read in years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by: Robert, the colonies on 4:43pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Today, corporations run the world, not governments or their stooges. Oil and blood will continue to flow. The porridge portion will get smaller as the $, bp, euro, lose value. "Political power comes from the barrel of a gun", Mao. Noble Savages
Today, corporations run the world, not governments or their stooges. Oil and blood will continue to flow. The porridge portion will get smaller as the $, bp, euro, lose value. "Political power comes from the barrel of a gun", Mao. Noble Savages
Posted by: Deacon, Grants Pass, OR on 5:01pm Mon 24 Mar 08
My missive to Ron Paul’s staff, regarding my view that this financial crisis is not by happenstance nor mismanagement—but BY DESIGN!:
The Honorable Ron Paul is ignorant of an ongoing conspiracy to topple, financially, the West, in order to equalize the world's economies; for building one-world government under GLOBAL ECONOMIC SOCIALISM. // The conspiracy began in the 1940s with the GATT formulations. // Ask why Greenspan had violated his chairmanship duties by advising prospective home-buyers to take out an ARM. // Ask why Greenspan had sent out fed regulators to warn banks that they'd be charged with RACISM if they didn't loosen home-loans for minority, HIGH RISK home-buyers. // Ask why Greenspan recently, TRAITOROUSLY, had advised OPEC oil producers to de-link from the U.S. dollar. // Greenspan - the FEDERAL RESERVE - has embarked on a purposeful set of monetary policies designed to destroy the West's financial underpinnings. // Read about the WHO, the HOW, and the WHY of it in my below article (first one): Planned Destruction of America: http://planneddestru
ctionofamerica.blogs
pot.com/ // Corporate America: What Went Wrong?: http://corporateamer
icawhatwentwrong.blo
gspot.com/
This helps to confirm efforts to PURPOSELY trash America's financial underpinnings: http://www.321gold.c
om/editorials/engdah
l/engdahl031808.html
My missive to Ron Paul’s staff, regarding my view that this financial crisis is not by happenstance nor mismanagement—but BY DESIGN!:
The Honorable Ron Paul is ignorant of an ongoing conspiracy to topple, financially, the West, in order to equalize the world's economies; for building one-world government under GLOBAL ECONOMIC SOCIALISM. // The conspiracy began in the 1940s with the GATT formulations. // Ask why Greenspan had violated his chairmanship duties by advising prospective home-buyers to take out an ARM. // Ask why Greenspan had sent out fed regulators to warn banks that they'd be charged with RACISM if they didn't loosen home-loans for minority, HIGH RISK home-buyers. // Ask why Greenspan recently, TRAITOROUSLY, had advised OPEC oil producers to de-link from the U.S. dollar. // Greenspan - the FEDERAL RESERVE - has embarked on a purposeful set of monetary policies designed to destroy the West's financial underpinnings. // Read about the WHO, the HOW, and the WHY of it in my below article (first one): Planned Destruction of America: http://planneddestru
ctionofamerica.blogs
pot.com/ // Corporate America: What Went Wrong?: http://corporateamer
icawhatwentwrong.blo
gspot.com/
This helps to confirm efforts to PURPOSELY trash America's financial underpinnings: http://www.321gold.c
om/editorials/engdah
l/engdahl031808.html
Posted by: lol lol, lol on 5:05pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Not Marx or Mises. Try reading Crowley to understand the minds of these monsters....
Not Marx or Mises. Try reading Crowley to understand the minds of these monsters....
Posted by: Robert, Texas on 5:29pm Mon 24 Mar 08
The problem isn't being caused by capitalism. It's being caused by the FED and irresponsible government economic practice. The people who run the FED are related to Karl Marx.
The problem isn't being caused by capitalism. It's being caused by the FED and irresponsible government economic practice. The people who run the FED are related to Karl Marx.
Posted by: hojo0710, Knoxville TN on 5:50pm Mon 24 Mar 08
The best revenge for all the misdeeds committed by bankers, their lackey politicians, and other greedy types is simply to stop borrowing. Let this extend to the local government level. Make do with what you have as long as possible. The fake economy is built on debt, and when that support is withdrawn, it will collapse, making way for a new structure. The one exception I will make is to advise the purchase of a liberal supply of tar and feathers. The coming party will be a lot of fun.
The best revenge for all the misdeeds committed by bankers, their lackey politicians, and other greedy types is simply to stop borrowing. Let this extend to the local government level. Make do with what you have as long as possible. The fake economy is built on debt, and when that support is withdrawn, it will collapse, making way for a new structure. The one exception I will make is to advise the purchase of a liberal supply of tar and feathers. The coming party will be a lot of fun.
Posted by: Sondra from the Campbell Clan, Texas on 7:16pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Robert has it! The problem is not capitalism, but greedy individuals. And just who are these greedy individuals? I want names. I want trials. I want asset confiscation of these thieves and long prison sentences.
Robert has it! The problem is not capitalism, but greedy individuals. And just who are these greedy individuals? I want names. I want trials. I want asset confiscation of these thieves and long prison sentences.
Posted by: Yob Vas, USA on 8:04pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Thatcher is an ahole. no,Blair is a bigger ahole. When are you ninnies going to realise that they're ALL aholes who are screwing us into the ground. V for Vendetta!
Thatcher is an ahole. no,Blair is a bigger ahole. When are you ninnies going to realise that they're ALL aholes who are screwing us into the ground. V for Vendetta!
Posted by: g miller, USA on 8:11pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Hmm, Karl Marx's legacy governments of the Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea, etc. haven't done much for the people. China and Viet Nam only started performing when they warmly embraced capitalist principles.
Most of the Western nations' problems resulted from clumsy government interventions a la Greenspan and New Deal Bolshevists.
Regards,
A Capitalist Pig
Hmm, Karl Marx's legacy governments of the Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea, etc. haven't done much for the people. China and Viet Nam only started performing when they warmly embraced capitalist principles.
Most of the Western nations' problems resulted from clumsy government interventions a la Greenspan and New Deal Bolshevists.
Regards,
A Capitalist Pig
Posted by: Stephen Nankivell, Massachusetts on 8:17pm Mon 24 Mar 08
The only characteristic of the present egg layer that is Capitalist is the label given to the "Peoples Free Market". It long ago ceased being a Capitalist market place.
The only characteristic of the present egg layer that is Capitalist is the label given to the "Peoples Free Market". It long ago ceased being a Capitalist market place.
Posted by: Cleo, Ontario on 9:55pm Mon 24 Mar 08
The problem is that we the people have given up all our power to make any decisions concerning our welfare and economy over to a handfull of greedy, power-crazy people. We do that by getting into political office and changing the laws so that we make the decisions. It may be cumbersome; however, handing over the power to determine our own future to a hand-full of "leaders" has proved to be folly. These people are NOT our "leaders". They are no smarter than most ordinary people; and I would put to you that in fact they are LESS intelligent. What they are is limited, ambitious and power/money hungry. Do you really think they can and will "take care of you"? Have they? No. Stop believing that you do not have the time or ability to take care of your lives, make important decisions for your own community, and that you can't change what has obviously failed us all.
The problem is that we the people have given up all our power to make any decisions concerning our welfare and economy over to a handfull of greedy, power-crazy people. We do that by getting into political office and changing the laws so that we make the decisions. It may be cumbersome; however, handing over the power to determine our own future to a hand-full of "leaders" has proved to be folly. These people are NOT our "leaders". They are no smarter than most ordinary people; and I would put to you that in fact they are LESS intelligent. What they are is limited, ambitious and power/money hungry. Do you really think they can and will "take care of you"? Have they? No. Stop believing that you do not have the time or ability to take care of your lives, make important decisions for your own community, and that you can't change what has obviously failed us all.
Posted by: Edward Ulysses Cate, Heart of America on 11:56pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Right you are, Cleo of Ontario at 9:55pm. If the folks upset by what being done by these sociopaths (no empathy nor conscience) then starting at the community level, they've got to clean house from the bottom up. The old saying has been proven; "The government that can give you every thing you want, will take everything you've got." This is the end-game. If we lose, we'll enter a severe Dark Age, because the winners will have achieved their goal (started in 1600) of "owning the earth in fee simple," as explained at http://GreatRedDrago
n.com
Right you are, Cleo of Ontario at 9:55pm. If the folks upset by what being done by these sociopaths (no empathy nor conscience) then starting at the community level, they've got to clean house from the bottom up. The old saying has been proven; "The government that can give you every thing you want, will take everything you've got." This is the end-game. If we lose, we'll enter a severe Dark Age, because the winners will have achieved their goal (started in 1600) of "owning the earth in fee simple," as explained at http://GreatRedDrago
n.com
Posted by: Lem, USA on 12:53am Tue 25 Mar 08
Central banking, is the FIFTH PLANK of the COMMUNIST MANIFESTO, so, what's so capitalist about central banking or central banks like the Bank of England, or its subsidiary, the Federal Reserve in the USA? Free enterprise is the empowering laissez faire economic model for the people. We're being screwed to the wall by the w(b)ankers and we're too stupid to see. This is because most people base their reality upon what they know from their miserably short lives. Study history and don't rely on schooling or the media to instruct you.
Central banking, is the FIFTH PLANK of the COMMUNIST MANIFESTO, so, what's so capitalist about central banking or central banks like the Bank of England, or its subsidiary, the Federal Reserve in the USA? Free enterprise is the empowering laissez faire economic model for the people. We're being screwed to the wall by the w(b)ankers and we're too stupid to see. This is because most people base their reality upon what they know from their miserably short lives. Study history and don't rely on schooling or the media to instruct you.
Posted by: adam, Canada on 2:58am Tue 25 Mar 08
Envy, conspiracy theories, and bipartisan bickering. Brits sound a lot like Americans. Blame anyone but yourselves.
Envy, conspiracy theories, and bipartisan bickering. Brits sound a lot like Americans. Blame anyone but yourselves.
Posted by: Tonbridge on 6:25am Tue 25 Mar 08
This weekend’s meeting of four heads of central banks communicates the size of the OTC derivative disaster. It is a system that is broken. A bailout will require the printing of trillions of dollars worth of monetary stimulation making Bernanke’s helicopter drop look like chump change.
The dollar number of pending derivative bankruptcies is the size of the mountain of garbage paper issued by just those who are to be bailed out. That number is greater than the total world economies.
There simply isn’t enough money in the world for central banks to buy up the mountain of worthless paper sold by those who need bailouts; all of which made fortunes for their directors, officers and key people.
When an OTC derivative fails to perform, notional value becomes real value.
The notional value of all OTC derivatives exceeds $500 trillion.
Credit default swaps (OTC derivatives) alone account for over $20 trillion dollars of notional value and are failing. Major dealers in these items, Lehman and JP Morgan, had their debt downgraded last week.
Maintaining the AAA rating on debt of public companies primarily issuing default swaps as credit guarantees is a sick JOKE of fabrication. This is a JOKE that in all probability will lead to litigation that destroys the rating companies.
You can be absolutely sure that all the biggies have their money out. No one mentions these firms being bailed out are the ones who created this disaster, making billions for their economic sin. You can be sure the big boys have their money out of the now on-the-rocks international institutions.
No one mentions that bailing out the bankers will leave the average man victimized and paying for the pleasure of the economic rape.
Meanwhile Derivative Traders (salesmen of perdition, not traders) and their hedge fund managers are all in Greenwich Connecticut with their hundreds of millions and billions, now retired playing tennis on their indoor courts at their waterfront mansions as the mess deepens.
Litigation against the officers and directors of these international banking firms, both against the biggies personally as well as the company, will make the biggies occupation one of defending against litigation for the rest of their lives.
For those biggies in these companies who trust no one and therefore have wives with no money will lose everything. Some of them I know. What goes around certainly comes around. Litigation against OTC derivatives are slam-dunk victories for the injured plaintiffs. The biggies will pay.
This is the greatest act in history of “Public Be Damned” and “Let them Eat Cake.” It will not come about because in the USA it is already the hottest political potato.
The problem is that the plan of the US legislative is down right STUPID. It is an embarrassment that legislators are so publicly moronic when it comes to economics.
The problem that no one is focusing on right now is the tracking of the mortgage itself to the structured product, which has broken down. That means in these items many can’t connect the underlying mortgage to the structured investment product (derivative).
So far courts have held that the only entity that can foreclose is the entity that actually lent the money. The average guy does not know that with an attorney to protect him he has a free house!
The entity that actually lent the money has sold the mortgage and been paid. Therefore where is the incentive for original lender to foreclose? The answer is there is none. Bankers do not help bankers in the same way that sharks do not help sharks.
Because of the unthinkable size of the problem it is impossible to construct a Resurrection Trust to buy all these worthless and never to be anything but worthless items.
Should any item surface to do this it will destroy all the National currency of the central banks that participate.
If there were an attempt to construct such an entity with the cooperation of the USA, the US dollar would go much lower than .5200. Gold would go to many thousands of US dollars.
Anyone who last week assumed the problem was over and we would be improving from there on out is simply nuts.
This weekend’s meeting of four heads of central banks communicates the size of the OTC derivative disaster. It is a system that is broken. A bailout will require the printing of trillions of dollars worth of monetary stimulation making Bernanke’s helicopter drop look like chump change.
The dollar number of pending derivative bankruptcies is the size of the mountain of garbage paper issued by just those who are to be bailed out. That number is greater than the total world economies.
There simply isn’t enough money in the world for central banks to buy up the mountain of worthless paper sold by those who need bailouts; all of which made fortunes for their directors, officers and key people.
When an OTC derivative fails to perform, notional value becomes real value.
The notional value of all OTC derivatives exceeds $500 trillion.
Credit default swaps (OTC derivatives) alone account for over $20 trillion dollars of notional value and are failing. Major dealers in these items, Lehman and JP Morgan, had their debt downgraded last week.
Maintaining the AAA rating on debt of public companies primarily issuing default swaps as credit guarantees is a sick JOKE of fabrication. This is a JOKE that in all probability will lead to litigation that destroys the rating companies.
You can be absolutely sure that all the biggies have their money out. No one mentions these firms being bailed out are the ones who created this disaster, making billions for their economic sin. You can be sure the big boys have their money out of the now on-the-rocks international institutions.
No one mentions that bailing out the bankers will leave the average man victimized and paying for the pleasure of the economic rape.
Meanwhile Derivative Traders (salesmen of perdition, not traders) and their hedge fund managers are all in Greenwich Connecticut with their hundreds of millions and billions, now retired playing tennis on their indoor courts at their waterfront mansions as the mess deepens.
Litigation against the officers and directors of these international banking firms, both against the biggies personally as well as the company, will make the biggies occupation one of defending against litigation for the rest of their lives.
For those biggies in these companies who trust no one and therefore have wives with no money will lose everything. Some of them I know. What goes around certainly comes around. Litigation against OTC derivatives are slam-dunk victories for the injured plaintiffs. The biggies will pay.
This is the greatest act in history of “Public Be Damned” and “Let them Eat Cake.” It will not come about because in the USA it is already the hottest political potato.
The problem is that the plan of the US legislative is down right STUPID. It is an embarrassment that legislators are so publicly moronic when it comes to economics.
The problem that no one is focusing on right now is the tracking of the mortgage itself to the structured product, which has broken down. That means in these items many can’t connect the underlying mortgage to the structured investment product (derivative).
So far courts have held that the only entity that can foreclose is the entity that actually lent the money. The average guy does not know that with an attorney to protect him he has a free house!
The entity that actually lent the money has sold the mortgage and been paid. Therefore where is the incentive for original lender to foreclose? The answer is there is none. Bankers do not help bankers in the same way that sharks do not help sharks.
Because of the unthinkable size of the problem it is impossible to construct a Resurrection Trust to buy all these worthless and never to be anything but worthless items.
Should any item surface to do this it will destroy all the National currency of the central banks that participate.
If there were an attempt to construct such an entity with the cooperation of the USA, the US dollar would go much lower than .5200. Gold would go to many thousands of US dollars.
Anyone who last week assumed the problem was over and we would be improving from there on out is simply nuts.
Posted by: andy harrison, Lochwinnoch on 11:16am Tue 25 Mar 08
All roads lead to gold and silver as money.
Open the mint to gold and silver coin and save ordinary people from the sophistry of these so-called economists. If you build a world based on the paper promises of politicians and of states then this is the inevitable result. Paper money is based on faith. Gold and silver are real tangible things. Precious metals are money: always have been ALWAYS WILL BE.
Look at the history of the Bank of England and the Federal Reserve. "To big to fail" has always been the plan. Private banks are not what they seem, they are merely a bunch of licensed counterfeiters. Inflation is theft, plain and simple. The power of money creation is the most terrible power of all and yet in many ways it is the most subtle. Don't think that "too big to fail" was some unexpected accident - it was engineered!
The contemporary study of economics is flawed because it assumes that money is created by government fiat. Do you not see now that the USA simply prints promises and exports them in exchange for tangible goods? Paper money is the biggest fraud ever perpetrated against humanity. The biggest nation state thug will always carry the day with the "reserve currency".
So what now for the Keynesians and the Freidmanites? Show us a solution please! Shall we take the Euro or the Yuan? Pick your poison and repeat the cycle. The only thing now between fascism and freedom of individual conscience and liberty is GOLD. All roads lead to gold. In the long run Keynes is dead. I am still alive thank you very much.
"Permit me to issue and control the money of the nation and I care not who makes its laws."
— Mayer Amsched Rothschild
All roads lead to gold and silver as money.
Open the mint to gold and silver coin and save ordinary people from the sophistry of these so-called economists. If you build a world based on the paper promises of politicians and of states then this is the inevitable result. Paper money is based on faith. Gold and silver are real tangible things. Precious metals are money: always have been ALWAYS WILL BE.
Look at the history of the Bank of England and the Federal Reserve. "To big to fail" has always been the plan. Private banks are not what they seem, they are merely a bunch of licensed counterfeiters. Inflation is theft, plain and simple. The power of money creation is the most terrible power of all and yet in many ways it is the most subtle. Don't think that "too big to fail" was some unexpected accident - it was engineered!
The contemporary study of economics is flawed because it assumes that money is created by government fiat. Do you not see now that the USA simply prints promises and exports them in exchange for tangible goods? Paper money is the biggest fraud ever perpetrated against humanity. The biggest nation state thug will always carry the day with the "reserve currency".
So what now for the Keynesians and the Freidmanites? Show us a solution please! Shall we take the Euro or the Yuan? Pick your poison and repeat the cycle. The only thing now between fascism and freedom of individual conscience and liberty is GOLD. All roads lead to gold. In the long run Keynes is dead. I am still alive thank you very much.
"Permit me to issue and control the money of the nation and I care not who makes its laws."
— Mayer Amsched Rothschild
Posted by: andy harrison, Lochwinnoch on 11:38am Tue 25 Mar 08
"If the American people ever allow the banks to control issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers occupied." — Thomas Jefferson
Seen the news? Tent cities popping up in USA. You'd think we'd have learned by now.
Credit crunch round two is in the offing and which mortgage backed bonds are next for up for junk status? I'll give you a clue... they are denominated in sterling and they were issued by RBS, Abbey, NR.... I wonder who bought those? UK Pension funds maybe? hmmm.
"finding legal loopholes"
Here's a charming little article from year 2000...
http://pages.stern.n
yu.edu/~igiddy/cases
/abbey.htm
"If the American people ever allow the banks to control issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers occupied." — Thomas Jefferson
Seen the news? Tent cities popping up in USA. You'd think we'd have learned by now.
Credit crunch round two is in the offing and which mortgage backed bonds are next for up for junk status? I'll give you a clue... they are denominated in sterling and they were issued by RBS, Abbey, NR.... I wonder who bought those? UK Pension funds maybe? hmmm.
"finding legal loopholes"
Here's a charming little article from year 2000...
http://pages.stern.n
yu.edu/~igiddy/cases
/abbey.htm
Posted by: Michael, Maryland, USA on 2:23pm Tue 25 Mar 08
All this is driven by the central banks, like the US FED, which in turn is run by international private bankers. We are being raped and it is obvious who is doing it, and still people point the finger at the front men or women, like Blair, Thatcher, or any number of US and Euro banking and political stooges. Wake up and follow the money, there really is an international conspiracy. Embrace the truth
All this is driven by the central banks, like the US FED, which in turn is run by international private bankers. We are being raped and it is obvious who is doing it, and still people point the finger at the front men or women, like Blair, Thatcher, or any number of US and Euro banking and political stooges. Wake up and follow the money, there really is an international conspiracy. Embrace the truth
Posted by: John East, Scunthorpe, UK on 6:20pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Two quotes from that famous Marxist, Thomas Jefferson:
[italic]If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, (i.e., the "business cycle") the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.[/italic]
And
[italic]I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.[/italic]
And to those of you who are blaming Thatcher or Blair – get a life. Learn to think for yourselves, read some history, and don’t look at the world around you through childishly simple ideological glasses.
Two quotes from that famous Marxist, Thomas Jefferson:
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, (i.e., the "business cycle") the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.
And
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
And to those of you who are blaming Thatcher or Blair – get a life. Learn to think for yourselves, read some history, and don’t look at the world around you through childishly simple ideological glasses.
Posted by: nv, Philadelphia on 8:05pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Sondra,
the prison term will be for poor people only. The rich never went to prison - ever. The poor will be blamed for taking the bad loans that caused the crash. Poor Mervyn King or Bernanke or Tichert or Greenspan. They were acting in the best interests of their economy - is what you will hear. Shirley Hodge's suggestion is the only 'workable' one. Imagine the millions of Indians and Chinese. Seriously what makes them poor and the westerners rich ? They live within their means - and accept responsibility for their limitations. The average European or the North American cannot fathom life without govt sponsored benefit programs. Learn to accept the fact that your GREED was manipulated by the central bankers - you allowed them to manipulate. Oh we are being raped - thats right you are allowing them to violate you.
So thanks so much for western economic philosophy. The only philosophy that works is Swadeshi. This is a Gandhian thought that is familiar to a few westerners. It means you consume only what you produce within your means - Everything - from tissue paper to socks to shoes to everything. You produce, you consume it.
Everything that you bought from the evil multinationals - build a big Pyre in the nearby school yard and burn it. Thats what India did in 1942 - Now you understand why they did it.
Sondra,
the prison term will be for poor people only. The rich never went to prison - ever. The poor will be blamed for taking the bad loans that caused the crash. Poor Mervyn King or Bernanke or Tichert or Greenspan. They were acting in the best interests of their economy - is what you will hear. Shirley Hodge's suggestion is the only 'workable' one. Imagine the millions of Indians and Chinese. Seriously what makes them poor and the westerners rich ? They live within their means - and accept responsibility for their limitations. The average European or the North American cannot fathom life without govt sponsored benefit programs. Learn to accept the fact that your GREED was manipulated by the central bankers - you allowed them to manipulate. Oh we are being raped - thats right you are allowing them to violate you.
So thanks so much for western economic philosophy. The only philosophy that works is Swadeshi. This is a Gandhian thought that is familiar to a few westerners. It means you consume only what you produce within your means - Everything - from tissue paper to socks to shoes to everything. You produce, you consume it.
Everything that you bought from the evil multinationals - build a big Pyre in the nearby school yard and burn it. Thats what India did in 1942 - Now you understand why they did it.
Posted by: Shadi Kitami, Berkeley USA on 9:05pm Tue 25 Mar 08
It is the beginning of the end for capitalism,what goes up must come down ,and it seems is going down faster and more devastating than we thought..
It is the beginning of the end for capitalism,what goes up must come down ,and it seems is going down faster and more devastating than we thought..
Posted by: Ivor Biggun, bagend on 8:39pm Wed 26 Mar 08
"Fascism is Capitalism in decline"
- Lenin
"Fascism is Capitalism in decline"
- Lenin
Posted by: Roland, UFSA on 2:06pm Thu 27 Mar 08
This is typical of the gullible masses; always pointing to false cause/effect. What we have, today, and have had for going on two centuries, is corporatism. Only, today, modern technologies enable this corporatist elite, i.e. the financial cabal, a degree of control never before possible. This is exactly what Ellul tried to educate us about.
But nevermind. Go back to your oversized capitalist/Marxist/c
ommunist/socialist mythologies handbook, and continue reading.
This is typical of the gullible masses; always pointing to false cause/effect. What we have, today, and have had for going on two centuries, is corporatism. Only, today, modern technologies enable this corporatist elite, i.e. the financial cabal, a degree of control never before possible. This is exactly what Ellul tried to educate us about.
But nevermind. Go back to your oversized capitalist/Marxist/c
ommunist/socialist mythologies handbook, and continue reading.
Posted by: GUY FOX, Key West/Havana on 6:37pm Thu 27 Mar 08
There is a cynical Russian adage that was popular among the common people under totalitarian $talinist rule. Translated into English it goes: The worse, the better!
And many of us here in the $tates feel the same way about George W. Bush, a vicious dry drunk $ociopath with the insight of a jackass and the compassion of a rabid hyena. Rome is burning into chaos, anarchy and bankruptcy via imperial over-reach in Iraq-nam... while the naked cowboy emperor rides around his ranch down in Texass (the "death penalty $tate") on his little boy bicycle. The entire Bush crime family should be in jail... and people like Dick Cheney should be sent to the World Court at the Hague for war crimes against humanity.
Many of us here in the U.$. are now calling for an all out social and political revolution in the United $tates. We are sick and tired of chronic voter fraud and kleptocratic mis-rule by the plutocratic elite on Wall $treet and K $treet in Washington. The time has come for a full blown revolution!
There is a cynical Russian adage that was popular among the common people under totalitarian $talinist rule. Translated into English it goes: The worse, the better!
And many of us here in the $tates feel the same way about George W. Bush, a vicious dry drunk $ociopath with the insight of a jackass and the compassion of a rabid hyena. Rome is burning into chaos, anarchy and bankruptcy via imperial over-reach in Iraq-nam... while the naked cowboy emperor rides around his ranch down in Texass (the "death penalty $tate") on his little boy bicycle. The entire Bush crime family should be in jail... and people like Dick Cheney should be sent to the World Court at the Hague for war crimes against humanity.
Many of us here in the U.$. are now calling for an all out social and political revolution in the United $tates. We are sick and tired of chronic voter fraud and kleptocratic mis-rule by the plutocratic elite on Wall $treet and K $treet in Washington. The time has come for a full blown revolution!
Posted by: David, Quebec, Canada on 9:28am Fri 28 Mar 08
How could all those investment bankers think all those
bonds based on adjustable-rate mortgages were
a sound investment?
And how come banking industry regulators
allowed so much investment in risky bonds?
How could all those investment bankers think all those
bonds based on adjustable-rate mortgages were
a sound investment?
And how come banking industry regulators
allowed so much investment in risky bonds?
Posted by: Carlos Pons, Barcelona, Spain on 7:49pm Mon 31 Mar 08
[quote][bold]g miller[/bold] wrote:
Hmm, Karl Marx's legacy governments of the Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea, etc. haven't done much for the people. China and Viet Nam only started performing when they warmly embraced capitalist principles.
Most of the Western nations' problems resulted from clumsy government interventions a la Greenspan and New Deal Bolshevists.
Regards,
A Capitalist Pig[/quote] Mr Miller (not to call you Mr pig), have you ever been to Cuba?
well I work in many countries in Latinamerica and Africa and I know Cuba very well and I can tell you Cubans have a great education and health services, no food shortages, little crime,... All this with the US economic embargo for 50 years...in short, for me the Cuban experience is a very good one, it can be improved? sure... that´s what the next generation is doing, cleaning the corruption and trying to break the embargo.
I would say socialism works if it is constantly monitored by the people.
infinite growth is not possible
g miller wrote:
Hmm, Karl Marx's legacy governments of the Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea, etc. haven't done much for the people. China and Viet Nam only started performing when they warmly embraced capitalist principles.
Most of the Western nations' problems resulted from clumsy government interventions a la Greenspan and New Deal Bolshevists.
Regards,
A Capitalist Pig
Mr Miller (not to call you Mr pig), have you ever been to Cuba?
well I work in many countries in Latinamerica and Africa and I know Cuba very well and I can tell you Cubans have a great education and health services, no food shortages, little crime,... All this with the US economic embargo for 50 years...in short, for me the Cuban experience is a very good one, it can be improved? sure... that´s what the next generation is doing, cleaning the corruption and trying to break the embargo.
I would say socialism works if it is constantly monitored by the people.
infinite growth is not possible