Anger as police ban placards branding Scientology a cult By Mark Howarth POLICE HAVE been accused of "trampling on basic rights" after ordering protesters to take down banners accusing Scientology of being a cult.
Officers banned the placards during a demonstration against the self-styled church in Glasgow city centre last weekend. Civil liberties campaigners have warned a dangerous precedent is being set for the suppression of free speech.
Strathclyde Police's intervention follows a similar incident in London last month when a youth was left facing prosecution. The 15-year-old had refused to remove a sign stating "Scientology is not a religion, it is a dangerous cult".
Human rights lawyer John Scott claimed the episodes suggested the church was receiving preferential treatment.
He said: "Scientology is a wealthy organisation with pretty influential people involved. But that doesn't mean it's entitled to any more protection from the police - though it does appear that is the reality of the situation.
"This latest incident sets a dangerous precedent and I hope the police do not have to be taken to court for them to accept the right of free speech."
Last Saturday's demonstration was organised by Anonymous, an anti-Scientology group. Its members protest where the church is holding public sessions.
Strathclyde Police admitted officers had stopped activists using the word "cult" after receiving a complaint.
A spokeswoman said: "The word is not a breach of the peace in itself. However, in this case it was exacerbating the situation and our stance was that we had to remove that.
"From a policing point of view, a balance has to be struck between the right to assemble and hold a meeting and other persons' rights to go about their business or demonstrate without being obstructed or hindered."
Last night, Anonymous - a leaderless, internet-based group - said it had recovered the banners and would be launching a fight to use the word.
A spokesman said: "The police have told us that breach of peace is very open to interpretation and there are no Scottish test cases they can refer to.
"We're furious that we're being told we cannot use the word cult' - we've got rulings from London, Germany, France saying this is exactly what Scientology is.
"No-one wants to get arrested - our members just want to protest."
A 15-year-old was served a court summons by police in London on May 10 for refusing to take down a placard labelling Scientology a "dangerous cult".
The Crown Prosecution Service later decided there was no case to answer.
Despite several requests, no-one from the church was available for comment.
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Posted by: Mary McConnell, USA on 11:46pm Sat 31 May 08
[bold]bold[/bold] Thank you for reporting on this. It's good to civil rights actists getting involved here because the preferential treatment by police has gone on too long. Scientology is, by definition, a cult and a dangerous one at that. People would not bother to protest it if it were'nt.[bold]bold[/bold]
Thank you for reporting on this. It's good to civil rights actists getting involved here because the preferential treatment by police has gone on too long. Scientology is, by definition, a cult and a dangerous one at that. People would not bother to protest it if it were'nt.
Posted by: Richard Astoria, UK on Sun 1 Jun 08
Sigh... Just this weekend East Grinstead police said that the words "brainwashing" and "evil" are not allowed, and threatened to arrest people displaying such signs. Is this OK? "Scientology is double-plus ungood!" Go get 'em, Liberty.
Sigh... Just this weekend East Grinstead police said that the words "brainwashing" and "evil" are not allowed, and threatened to arrest people displaying such signs. Is this OK? "Scientology is double-plus ungood!" Go get 'em, Liberty.
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 12:24am Sun 1 Jun 08
I object to Westmin Labour MP's using the word "Executive" when referring to the Scottish "Government". Can I have them arrested please?
I object to Westmin Labour MP's using the word "Executive" when referring to the Scottish "Government". Can I have them arrested please?
Posted by: Plobotsky on 1:30am Sun 1 Jun 08
Scientology is a cult, though but. A money making cult.
It is based upon secrets involving a bug eyed monster called Xenu and thingies called operating thetans that live inside a volcano but stick to your brain. If you want to know more, you will need to send many, many thousands of pounds to some people in East Grinstead. And that short dark actor that was in that film about autism is somehow involved. So is Earl out of My Name Is Earl.
They should make a fillum about it, so they should.
Scientology is a cult, though but. A money making cult.
It is based upon secrets involving a bug eyed monster called Xenu and thingies called operating thetans that live inside a volcano but stick to your brain. If you want to know more, you will need to send many, many thousands of pounds to some people in East Grinstead. And that short dark actor that was in that film about autism is somehow involved. So is Earl out of My Name Is Earl.
They should make a fillum about it, so they should.
Posted by: Mark Boyle, Johnstone on 1:40am Sun 1 Jun 08
The One True Church is the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (aka Pastafarianism).
Or is it the Church of Discordia, who believe Eris won the Universe from God in a divorce suit?
Fnord.
The One True Church is the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (aka Pastafarianism).
Or is it the Church of Discordia, who believe Eris won the Universe from God in a divorce suit?
Fnord.
Posted by: Raj, Denver on 2:33am Sun 1 Jun 08
This is an outrage!
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 2:45am Sun 1 Jun 08
By Shane MacGowan (1994)
My Daddy was a sinner, but my
Mother was a saintly person
But I ruined my life by drinking, bad
Wives, taking pills and cursing
Rock and Roll you crucified me,
Left me all alone
I never should have turned my back on
The old folks back home
Give me that Church of the Holy Spook
Church of the Holy Spook
Church of the Holy Spook, it's good enough for me
It was good for me dear old Daddy
and my dear old Mammy too
Give me that Church of the Holy Spook
I don't need nothin' new
I believe in the Church of the Holy Spook
I believe that he's in me
The Tao is like a river, so float along with me
When the sacred blood of the Holy Ghost
is boiling in my veins
I think of Jesus on the cross
and I scream out for his pain.
Give me that Church of the Holy Spook
Church of the Holy Spook
Church of the Holy Spook, it's good enough for me
It was good for me dear old Daddy
and my dear old Mammy too
Give me that Church of the Holy Spook
I don't need nothin' new
By Shane MacGowan (1994)
My Daddy was a sinner, but my
Mother was a saintly person
But I ruined my life by drinking, bad
Wives, taking pills and cursing
Rock and Roll you crucified me,
Left me all alone
I never should have turned my back on
The old folks back home
Give me that Church of the Holy Spook
Church of the Holy Spook
Church of the Holy Spook, it's good enough for me
It was good for me dear old Daddy
and my dear old Mammy too
Give me that Church of the Holy Spook
I don't need nothin' new
I believe in the Church of the Holy Spook
I believe that he's in me
The Tao is like a river, so float along with me
When the sacred blood of the Holy Ghost
is boiling in my veins
I think of Jesus on the cross
and I scream out for his pain.
Give me that Church of the Holy Spook
Church of the Holy Spook
Church of the Holy Spook, it's good enough for me
It was good for me dear old Daddy
and my dear old Mammy too
Give me that Church of the Holy Spook
I don't need nothin' new
Posted by: elron elray, Marcabia on 2:46am Sun 1 Jun 08
$cientology has long been given preferential treatment by many government agencies, police and the like all over the world because of their litigious nature. That's all coming to an end now. They ARE a cult and should be known as such.
$cientology has long been given preferential treatment by many government agencies, police and the like all over the world because of their litigious nature. That's all coming to an end now. They ARE a cult and should be known as such.
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 2:53am Sun 1 Jun 08
I believe the labour party is a cult. I believe that, in cahoots with their media moguls, they brainwash people. I believe they are evil.
Can I say that?
I believe the labour party is a cult. I believe that, in cahoots with their media moguls, they brainwash people. I believe they are evil.
Can I say that?
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 2:55am Sun 1 Jun 08
I believe the labour party is a cult. I believe that, in cahoots with their media moguls, they brainwash people. I believe they are evil.
Can I say that?
I believe the labour party is a cult. I believe that, in cahoots with their media moguls, they brainwash people. I believe they are evil.
Can I say that?
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 2:55am Sun 1 Jun 08
I believe the labour party is a cult. I believe that, in cahoots with their media moguls, they brainwash people. I believe they are evil.
Can I say that?
I believe the labour party is a cult. I believe that, in cahoots with their media moguls, they brainwash people. I believe they are evil.
Can I say that?
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 2:56am Sun 1 Jun 08
I believe the labour party is a cult. I believe that, in cahoots with their media moguls, they brainwash people. I believe they are evil.
Can I say that?
I believe the labour party is a cult. I believe that, in cahoots with their media moguls, they brainwash people. I believe they are evil.
Can I say that?
Posted by: Richard Rolle, UK on 3:24am Sun 1 Jun 08
Why all this fuss over calling Scientology a cult? Maybe a look into it's history will tell curious spectators about why Anonymous is out there protesting. What kind of "church" is responsible for the largest infiltration of the US government in history? What kind of "church" tells it's members to harass and stalk people, using the "Fair Game" policy? I encourage you to do a few minutes worth of research to find out why you too should be afraid of this dangerous cult.
Why all this fuss over calling Scientology a cult? Maybe a look into it's history will tell curious spectators about why Anonymous is out there protesting. What kind of "church" is responsible for the largest infiltration of the US government in history? What kind of "church" tells it's members to harass and stalk people, using the "Fair Game" policy? I encourage you to do a few minutes worth of research to find out why you too should be afraid of this dangerous cult.
Posted by: Anon E Mous on 3:40am Sun 1 Jun 08
"Some might regard this as an extension of the entertaining science fiction which Hubbard used to write before he invented and founded the cult . . . . Scientology is both immoral and socially obnoxious.... In my judgement it is corrupt, sinister and dangerous. It is corrupt because it is based on lies and deceit and has as its real objective money and power for Mr. Hubbard, his wife and those close to him at the top. It is sinister because it indulges in infamous practices both to its adherents who do not toe the line unquestioningly, and to those who criticise or oppose it. It is dangerous because it is out to capture people, especially children and impressionable young people, and indoctrinate and brainwash them so that they become the unquestioning captives and tools of the cult, withdrawn from ordinary thought, living and relationships with others." - Mr Justice Latey, High Court, 1984
"Some might regard this as an extension of the entertaining science fiction which Hubbard used to write before he invented and founded the cult . . . . Scientology is both immoral and socially obnoxious.... In my judgement it is corrupt, sinister and dangerous. It is corrupt because it is based on lies and deceit and has as its real objective money and power for Mr. Hubbard, his wife and those close to him at the top. It is sinister because it indulges in infamous practices both to its adherents who do not toe the line unquestioningly, and to those who criticise or oppose it. It is dangerous because it is out to capture people, especially children and impressionable young people, and indoctrinate and brainwash them so that they become the unquestioning captives and tools of the cult, withdrawn from ordinary thought, living and relationships with others." - Mr Justice Latey, High Court, 1984
Posted by: Joe Miles on 3:46am Sun 1 Jun 08
Strathclyde Police are a Cult.
Strathclyde Police are a Cult.
Posted by: MancAnon, Manchester on 10:35am Sun 1 Jun 08
And so free speech becomes censored. How long before we are unable to say anything negative about anything that's going on?
And so free speech becomes censored. How long before we are unable to say anything negative about anything that's going on?
Posted by: Slarti on 11:17am Sun 1 Jun 08
[quote]The police have told us that breach of peace is very open to interpretation and there are no Scottish test cases they can refer to.[/quote]
That's half right. BoP is [bold]very[/bold] open to interpretation but the thing about no test cases is just rubbish! It's a common law offence. That means, it's defined by (and only exists because of) previous High Court rulings - i.e. test cases.
It may be true there is no specific case law in Scotland dealing with calling Scientology a cult. However, I do seem to remember something from a few years back about language and BoP where the High Court decided that using a swear word when talking to a cop wasn't a BoP (if it was used as part of everyday language and not agressively). Can't find the reference though at the moment.
The current leading case for defining BoP is Smith v Donnelly from 2001. (Technically the leading case is Jones et Al v Carnegie from 2004, since that was a 5 Judge bench, but it essentially just reaffirmed Smith v Donnelly). Smith v Donnelly says that [quote]what is required to constitute the crime is conduct severe enough to cause alarm to ordinary people and threaten serious disturbance to the community.[/quote] They said that [quote]something substantially greater than mere irritation is involved[/quote] and that what is required is [quote]conduct which does present as genuinely alarming and disturbing, in its context, to any reasonable person.[/quote] The court did say that it wasn't essential that there was evidence that anyone was actually alarmed, but that if there wasn't such evidence then the conduct must have been [quote]flagrant[/quote] and goes on to say that [quote]'Flagrant' is a strong word and the use of that word points to a standard of conduct which would be alarming or seriously disturbing to any reasonable person in the particular circumstances.[/quote]
Given the CPS response to the London cops trying the same trick (which was, for the CPS, a very strong "don't be so daft, that's not harassment, alarm and distress" (the charge down south), I think you'd be on strong grounds that at least quite a few reasonable people are fine with it.
I've taken the case law quotes from http://www.faslane36
5.org/case_law which also has links to the original judgments. (Note: not implying connection between Faslane 365 and any other campaign, just it's good activists summary of the law on Breach of the Peace and has links to the relevant judgments.)
The police have told us that breach of peace is very open to interpretation and there are no Scottish test cases they can refer to.
That's half right. BoP is
very open to interpretation but the thing about no test cases is just rubbish! It's a common law offence. That means, it's defined by (and only exists because of) previous High Court rulings - i.e. test cases.
It may be true there is no specific case law in Scotland dealing with calling Scientology a cult. However, I do seem to remember something from a few years back about language and BoP where the High Court decided that using a swear word when talking to a cop wasn't a BoP (if it was used as part of everyday language and not agressively). Can't find the reference though at the moment.
The current leading case for defining BoP is Smith v Donnelly from 2001. (Technically the leading case is Jones et Al v Carnegie from 2004, since that was a 5 Judge bench, but it essentially just reaffirmed Smith v Donnelly). Smith v Donnelly says that
what is required to constitute the crime is conduct severe enough to cause alarm to ordinary people and threaten serious disturbance to the community.
They said that
something substantially greater than mere irritation is involved
and that what is required is
conduct which does present as genuinely alarming and disturbing, in its context, to any reasonable person.
The court did say that it wasn't essential that there was evidence that anyone was actually alarmed, but that if there wasn't such evidence then the conduct must have been
flagrant
and goes on to say that
'Flagrant' is a strong word and the use of that word points to a standard of conduct which would be alarming or seriously disturbing to any reasonable person in the particular circumstances.
Given the CPS response to the London cops trying the same trick (which was, for the CPS, a very strong "don't be so daft, that's not harassment, alarm and distress" (the charge down south), I think you'd be on strong grounds that at least quite a few reasonable people are fine with it.
I've taken the case law quotes from http://www.faslane36
5.org/case_law which also has links to the original judgments. (Note: not implying connection between Faslane 365 and any other campaign, just it's good activists summary of the law on Breach of the Peace and has links to the relevant judgments.)
Posted by: Gordon Johnston on 11:18am Sun 1 Jun 08
What's the differrence between a cult and a religion??
What's the differrence between a cult and a religion??
Posted by: Leah on 12:44pm Sun 1 Jun 08
G. Johnston,
A.- ex-cult Resource Center - is the best website I could recommend and personally favour to visit in order to find out about the differences between cults and religions.
B. The BBC News/e-cuclopedia/cu
lt or religion: What's the difference, is my second choice even as an older source of information, dated 1999.
From Cult Info Center, here are definitions of a cult.
Has all of the following characteristics
Uses psychological coercion to recruit, indoctrinate and retain members
Forms an elitist society
Founder leader is self-appointed, dogmatic, messianic. charismatic, and unaccountable
Believes 'end justifies the means' in raising funds and recruitment
Its wealth does not benefit its members or society.
G. Johnston,
A.- ex-cult Resource Center - is the best website I could recommend and personally favour to visit in order to find out about the differences between cults and religions.
B. The BBC News/e-cuclopedia/cu
lt or religion: What's the difference, is my second choice even as an older source of information, dated 1999.
From Cult Info Center, here are definitions of a cult.
Has all of the following characteristics
Uses psychological coercion to recruit, indoctrinate and retain members
Forms an elitist society
Founder leader is self-appointed, dogmatic, messianic. charismatic, and unaccountable
Believes 'end justifies the means' in raising funds and recruitment
Its wealth does not benefit its members or society.
Posted by: Observer on 1:34pm Sun 1 Jun 08
Perhaps they should just call them cnuts, then they'd only need to change one letter in their banners.
This site is bloody useless.
Perhaps they should just call them cnuts, then they'd only need to change one letter in their banners.
This site is bloody useless.
Posted by: James Hammerton, Glasgow on 1:45pm Sun 1 Jun 08
I personally witnessed the police directing one of the protesters to bin the signs which had the word "cult" on them. I reported on this at my blog on the day. See the following link:
http://jameshammerto
n.blogspot.com/2008/
05/glasgow-anti-scie
ntology-protestors.h
tml
I personally witnessed the police directing one of the protesters to bin the signs which had the word "cult" on them. I reported on this at my blog on the day. See the following link:
http://jameshammerto
n.blogspot.com/2008/
05/glasgow-anti-scie
ntology-protestors.h
tml
Posted by: bill, usa on 2:19pm Sun 1 Jun 08
It is very likely that these police, and others, have been paid off the scientologists. It has happened in the USA. They offer gifts, money, parties, hire officers for private security details, and then, when needed, they call in their favors. Clearwater, Florida was such a place.
It is very likely that these police, and others, have been paid off the scientologists. It has happened in the USA. They offer gifts, money, parties, hire officers for private security details, and then, when needed, they call in their favors. Clearwater, Florida was such a place.
Posted by: concerned, Alba on 3:16pm Sun 1 Jun 08
Shawn Lonsdale, whose one-man crusade against Scientology made him a public enemy of the 'church' was found dead at his home in an apparent suicide a couple of months ago. He was only 39.
Whats the story behind this story, please?
Wake up, people, wake up.
Shawn Lonsdale, whose one-man crusade against Scientology made him a public enemy of the 'church' was found dead at his home in an apparent suicide a couple of months ago. He was only 39.
Whats the story behind this story, please?
Wake up, people, wake up.
Posted by: Mark Boyle, Johnstone on 3:29pm Sun 1 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Scunnert[/bold] wrote:
I believe the labour party is a cult. I believe that, in cahoots with their media moguls, they brainwash people. I believe they are evil.
Can I say that?[/quote] Not only can you say that, you said it thrice.
Have you ever considered a part in Thomas The Tank Engine? :)
Scunnert wrote:
I believe the labour party is a cult. I believe that, in cahoots with their media moguls, they brainwash people. I believe they are evil.
Can I say that?
Not only can you say that, you said it thrice.
Have you ever considered a part in Thomas The Tank Engine? :)
Posted by: Tory on 3:43pm Sun 1 Jun 08
SCIENTOLOGY and DEATHS
YouTube.com/watch?v=
0YXwoL9JyWg&feature=
related
SCIENTOLOGY and DEATHS
YouTube.com/watch?v=
0YXwoL9JyWg&feature=
related
Posted by: Richard Rohlin, NY, USA on 4:37pm Sun 1 Jun 08
Political correctness and denying free speech by claiming it's hate speech or insulting is the dangerous slippery slope that will be abused. The nonsense that the word "CULT" is a breach of the Peace is ridiculous. Western democracy has become too sensitive to others at the expense of criticism and speech. Speech rights should be held paramount over one's or the many, feelings.
Political correctness and denying free speech by claiming it's hate speech or insulting is the dangerous slippery slope that will be abused. The nonsense that the word "CULT" is a breach of the Peace is ridiculous. Western democracy has become too sensitive to others at the expense of criticism and speech. Speech rights should be held paramount over one's or the many, feelings.
Posted by: Sniff on 5:16pm Sun 1 Jun 08
Make a 1000 signs that say "Scientology is a C*LT" "Freedom of Speech is a Joke"
Make a 1000 signs that say "Scientology is a C*LT" "Freedom of Speech is a Joke"
Posted by: Peter Daley, Daegu. on 5:37pm Sun 1 Jun 08
Is it possible the police were really double agents? Taking money and gifts from $cientology, but acting in ways guaranteed to give the cult even more negative publicity?
Is it possible the police were really double agents? Taking money and gifts from $cientology, but acting in ways guaranteed to give the cult even more negative publicity?
Posted by: Peter A. Sagi, Saint Louis, Missouri USA on 8:23pm Sun 1 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Gordon Johnston[/bold] wrote:
What's the differrence between a cult and a religion??[/quote] Whats the difference? I dunno. Perhaps a few hundred million dollars a year or so.
Anyways, the pigs getting down on the word "cult" is far more dangerous than Scientology ever will be. Nevertheless, as a former member of Scientology, I definitely enjoy these pickets. They are the most fun pickets I have ever participated in, and I have participated in a lot of them. Being that the theme of the next picket is the Sea Arrrgh, here is a parody tune I did sometime back, just for your enjoyment.
Pete
In The Sea Org, tune of In The Navy by the Village People
Where can you…
Learn to forgo pleasure,
Pluck the WOG's of treasure,
With admin technology?
Where can you begin to,
Think you're super human,
Revel in your insane glee?
Where can you learn to lie,
Act like a James Bond spy,
Study Scientology?
Come on board the big scam,
Help the public clams cram,
Comm ev all your enemies ...
(chorus)
In the Sea Org, yes all your property they'll seize,
In the Sea Org, yes they'll erase your mind with ease,
In the Sea Org, Scieno's make your final stand,
In the Sea Org, yes they always need a hand,
In the Sea Org, first you sell your mother's land,
In the Sea Org, come on and shuck your fellow clam,
In the Sea Org, you'll become a super man,
In the Sea Org, In the Sea Org
They want you! They want you! They want you for a billion years!
For RPF Adventure,
Don't you wait to enter,
The S.O. Liaison office fast.
Don't you hesitate,
There's no need to wait,
They're betting on how long you'll last.
Maybe you are too young,
To join up today,
but don't you worry 'bout the thing,
I'm sure there will be,
Always the evil Sea Org,
protecting Scientology.
(repeat chorus)
They want you! They want you! They want you for a billion years!
They want you! They want you! They want you for a billion years!
But ... but ... but ... life sucks in Clearwater!!
Hey ... hey ... look, men ... I get sick just watching it on the
TV!
THEY WANT YOU!!
Oh ****!
THEY WANT YOU!!
What am I going to do on the EPF??
THEY WANT YOU!! THEY WANT YOU!!
In the Sea Org. IN the Sea Org.
(fade out)
Gordon Johnston wrote:
What's the differrence between a cult and a religion??
Whats the difference? I dunno. Perhaps a few hundred million dollars a year or so.
Anyways, the pigs getting down on the word "cult" is far more dangerous than Scientology ever will be. Nevertheless, as a former member of Scientology, I definitely enjoy these pickets. They are the most fun pickets I have ever participated in, and I have participated in a lot of them. Being that the theme of the next picket is the Sea Arrrgh, here is a parody tune I did sometime back, just for your enjoyment.
Pete
In The Sea Org, tune of In The Navy by the Village People
Where can you…
Learn to forgo pleasure,
Pluck the WOG's of treasure,
With admin technology?
Where can you begin to,
Think you're super human,
Revel in your insane glee?
Where can you learn to lie,
Act like a James Bond spy,
Study Scientology?
Come on board the big scam,
Help the public clams cram,
Comm ev all your enemies ...
(chorus)
In the Sea Org, yes all your property they'll seize,
In the Sea Org, yes they'll erase your mind with ease,
In the Sea Org, Scieno's make your final stand,
In the Sea Org, yes they always need a hand,
In the Sea Org, first you sell your mother's land,
In the Sea Org, come on and shuck your fellow clam,
In the Sea Org, you'll become a super man,
In the Sea Org, In the Sea Org
They want you! They want you! They want you for a billion years!
For RPF Adventure,
Don't you wait to enter,
The S.O. Liaison office fast.
Don't you hesitate,
There's no need to wait,
They're betting on how long you'll last.
Maybe you are too young,
To join up today,
but don't you worry 'bout the thing,
I'm sure there will be,
Always the evil Sea Org,
protecting Scientology.
(repeat chorus)
They want you! They want you! They want you for a billion years!
They want you! They want you! They want you for a billion years!
But ... but ... but ... life sucks in Clearwater!!
Hey ... hey ... look, men ... I get sick just watching it on the
TV!
THEY WANT YOU!!
Oh ****!
THEY WANT YOU!!
What am I going to do on the EPF??
THEY WANT YOU!! THEY WANT YOU!!
In the Sea Org. IN the Sea Org.
(fade out)
Posted by: Ozark_Sunshine, Kansas City, MO, USA on 3:42am Mon 2 Jun 08
As a personl friend of one of L. Ron Hubbards grandson and having seen what their family went through when they escaped the insanity of their grandfather and this cult and seeing how the were harrassed legally and threatened physically by people in this cult I have no doubt about this "religion's" status. Research the last name Dewolf which is the name of L. Ron Hubbard's son took and read the court record of how his dad stole patented fake technolgy and then turned it into a religion then you will know the truth. Why do you think Germany refuses to recognize it as a religion.
As a personl friend of one of L. Ron Hubbards grandson and having seen what their family went through when they escaped the insanity of their grandfather and this cult and seeing how the were harrassed legally and threatened physically by people in this cult I have no doubt about this "religion's" status. Research the last name Dewolf which is the name of L. Ron Hubbard's son took and read the court record of how his dad stole patented fake technolgy and then turned it into a religion then you will know the truth. Why do you think Germany refuses to recognize it as a religion.
Posted by: Jensa Yon, sansin on 5:08am Mon 2 Jun 08
[bold]Words that are "alarming and disturbing" are also known to be described as TRUTH.
People have a right to speak the truth... yes, the truth can be damning, alarming, disturbing, but SOMEONE has got to do it. Someone must stand up in protest and dare to speak the truth without fear.
[/bold]
Words that are "alarming and disturbing" are also known to be described as TRUTH.
People have a right to speak the truth... yes, the truth can be damning, alarming, disturbing, but SOMEONE has got to do it. Someone must stand up in protest and dare to speak the truth without fear.
Posted by: Artoo45, USA on 6:23am Mon 2 Jun 08
Scientology is sinister alright, but it seems to me that you in the UK have a far more sinister organization to worry about . . . Parliament. Your civil rights are taking a beating in the name of being politically correct. Sounds like something our whacked Mr. Bush or Karl Rove would come up with. Actually your Mr. Orwell already did: Thoughtcrime. Speechcrime. Good luck with that.
Scientology is sinister alright, but it seems to me that you in the UK have a far more sinister organization to worry about . . . Parliament. Your civil rights are taking a beating in the name of being politically correct. Sounds like something our whacked Mr. Bush or Karl Rove would come up with. Actually your Mr. Orwell already did: Thoughtcrime. Speechcrime. Good luck with that.
Posted by: Anon808, Hawaii on 6:40am Mon 2 Jun 08
This has been about freedom of speech since day one. $cientology took down the crazazy Tom Cruise ideo because it was "copyrighted material." Hmm, do religions copyright their material? Is it intellectual property to be SOLD?
[bold]Every time Anonymous is silenced, it grows. BANK ON IT.[/bold]
This has been about freedom of speech since day one. $cientology took down the crazazy Tom Cruise ideo because it was "copyrighted material." Hmm, do religions copyright their material? Is it intellectual property to be SOLD?
Every time Anonymous is silenced, it grows. BANK ON IT. Posted by: David Goldsmith, New York on 6:45am Mon 2 Jun 08
Look, it's only far to let Tom Cruise and John Travolta carry on with L Ron Hubbard "cult". The Vatican after years banning them, now allows [bold]JAHBULON[/bold] worshiping [oc]cult members into the Catholic Church.
http://www.lovesite.
isgreat.org
Look, it's only far to let Tom Cruise and John Travolta carry on with L Ron Hubbard "cult". The Vatican after years banning them, now allows
JAHBULON worshiping cult members into the Catholic Church.
http://www.lovesite.
isgreat.org
Posted by: XENU, Deep Space on 12:56pm Mon 2 Jun 08
I am [bold]XENU[/bold] of the [bold]GALACTIC CONFEDERACY[/bold] . You puny Scientologists think you have defeated me here with the banning of these signs, but I will be victorious.
[bold]
Mwahahaha.
Mwahahaha.
[/bold]
You have made the greatest error. By charging members of your church $360,000 to learn of my intergalactic empire, you limit the damage you can do to me. Hark and beware Hubbardites! For my talking clouds and robot gorillas will soon descend once more upon your puny world to wreak [bold]HAVOC[/bold].
[bold]Mwahahaha.
[/bold]
I am
XENU of the
GALACTIC CONFEDERACY . You puny Scientologists think you have defeated me here with the banning of these signs, but I will be victorious.
Mwahahaha.
Mwahahaha.
You have made the greatest error. By charging members of your church $360,000 to learn of my intergalactic empire, you limit the damage you can do to me. Hark and beware Hubbardites! For my talking clouds and robot gorillas will soon descend once more upon your puny world to wreak
HAVOC.
Mwahahaha.
Posted by: Domino, Maine on 1:09pm Mon 2 Jun 08
We aren't going anywhere. We are just getting started!
youfoundthecard.com
We aren't going anywhere. We are just getting started!
youfoundthecard.com
Posted by: Richard Roll, cyberspace on 3:34pm Mon 2 Jun 08
Anonymous recently recieved word that signs saying "cult" are ok in Edinburgh.
Why not in Glasgow? Who have the cult been bribing? The truth will find them out.
Resistance only makes our resolve harder.
Anonymous recently recieved word that signs saying "cult" are ok in Edinburgh.
Why not in Glasgow? Who have the cult been bribing? The truth will find them out.
Resistance only makes our resolve harder.
Posted by: roger gonnet, france on 4:47pm Mon 2 Jun 08
What I love to see is that this crime culty is now the one explaining to police and law authorities what the laws mean. Soon they'll do what Hubbard said they should: fabricating the laws.
What I love to see is that this crime culty is now the one explaining to police and law authorities what the laws mean. Soon they'll do what Hubbard said they should: fabricating the laws.
Posted by: ct1, Glasgow on 5:21pm Mon 2 Jun 08
Glad to see that while murder and mayhem reign on the streets of Glasgow Strathclyde's finest can take time out to protect the feelings of a few borderline-certifiab
le crazies. I'm sure we all feel safer for that.
Glad to see that while murder and mayhem reign on the streets of Glasgow Strathclyde's finest can take time out to protect the feelings of a few borderline-certifiab
le crazies. I'm sure we all feel safer for that.
Posted by: Lumar on 5:24pm Mon 2 Jun 08
There's quite a big gap between free speech and outright lying. Scientology is not a cult - by law. It's an established religion - by law.
To put up those signs is complete defamation and slander.
There's quite a big gap between free speech and outright lying. Scientology is not a cult - by law. It's an established religion - by law.
To put up those signs is complete defamation and slander.
Posted by: B on 8:04pm Mon 2 Jun 08
Lumar, look up the definition of "cult".
Looks like someone forgot to clear his/her words.
And "defamation"? "slander"? What other "religious group" (and I use that term loosely, with a grimace) has had the absolute GALL to proclaim itself above criticism?
Lumar, look up the definition of "cult".
Looks like someone forgot to clear his/her words.
And "defamation"? "slander"? What other "religious group" (and I use that term loosely, with a grimace) has had the absolute GALL to proclaim itself above criticism?
Posted by: The Wise One, Glasgow on 8:26pm Mon 2 Jun 08
[bold]Gordon Johnston wrote:
What's the differrence between a cult and a religion??[/bold]
A cult is what a Scotsman wears, a religion is what starts wars
Gordon Johnston wrote:
What's the differrence between a cult and a religion??
A cult is what a Scotsman wears, a religion is what starts wars
Posted by: Anonymous on 1:25pm Tue 3 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Lumar[/bold] wrote:
There's quite a big gap between free speech and outright lying. Scientology is not a cult - by law. It's an established religion - by law. To put up those signs is complete defamation and slander.[/quote] Incorrect, in the UK it was denied status of a Religion and is classed as a none profit commercial company. It couldn't even satisfy the criteria for a charity.
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Scientology
_as_a_state-recogniz
ed_religion#United_K
ingdom
Lumar wrote:
There's quite a big gap between free speech and outright lying. Scientology is not a cult - by law. It's an established religion - by law. To put up those signs is complete defamation and slander.
Incorrect, in the UK it was denied status of a Religion and is classed as a none profit commercial company. It couldn't even satisfy the criteria for a charity.
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Scientology
_as_a_state-recogniz
ed_religion#United_K
ingdom
Posted by: LOL on 3:09pm Tue 3 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Anonymous[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Lumar[/bold] wrote: There's quite a big gap between free speech and outright lying. Scientology is not a cult - by law. It's an established religion - by law. To put up those signs is complete defamation and slander.[/quote] Incorrect, in the UK it was denied status of a Religion and is classed as a none profit commercial company. It couldn't even satisfy the criteria for a charity. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Scientology _as_a_state-recogniz ed_religion#United_K ingdom[/quote] pwned. srsly.
Anonymous wrote:
Lumar wrote: There's quite a big gap between free speech and outright lying. Scientology is not a cult - by law. It's an established religion - by law. To put up those signs is complete defamation and slander.
Incorrect, in the UK it was denied status of a Religion and is classed as a none profit commercial company. It couldn't even satisfy the criteria for a charity. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Scientology _as_a_state-recogniz ed_religion#United_K ingdom
pwned. srsly.
Posted by: AnonymoUSA, United States on 4:27pm Tue 3 Jun 08
Scions telling the cops how to interpret their own laws? Nice. And I thought WE were the only ones with idiots cops bought and paid for by the Co$...
Scions telling the cops how to interpret their own laws? Nice. And I thought WE were the only ones with idiots cops bought and paid for by the Co$...
Posted by: Fredric L. Rice, http://www.crackpots
.org/ on 4:27pm Tue 3 Jun 08
Scientology is organized crime first and foremost. It engages in RICO predicate acts and has a lengthy history of RICO crimes, human rights abuses, and everything else that's typical for organized crime.
These iunsane Scientology criminals HATE freedom of speech. They hate Democratic ideals. It's a shame that a few police officers taking money and gifts from the crime syndicate have to violate citizen's rights and make the rest of the police force look like racketeering criminals also.
Scientology is organized crime first and foremost. It engages in RICO predicate acts and has a lengthy history of RICO crimes, human rights abuses, and everything else that's typical for organized crime.
These iunsane Scientology criminals HATE freedom of speech. They hate Democratic ideals. It's a shame that a few police officers taking money and gifts from the crime syndicate have to violate citizen's rights and make the rest of the police force look like racketeering criminals also.
Posted by: louanne, Portsmouth on 4:32pm Tue 3 Jun 08
No! We are not a cult! Don't say that. We are the most ethical people on this planet. Sure, we're not allowed to read certain books, but that's because the church knows what's good for us. I pay them to think for me. Several thousand pounds later, and I now know different meanings of every day English words. And I will gladly pay for books that David Miscavige revised. I mean, if David Miscavige's squirreling of LRH tech works for me, then who am I to report him for out ethics? That's like suing Jesus. Wait, we can sue Jesus, right? He's just a figment of my imagination, according to my church. I'm confused. I need to drink another quart of olive oil.
No! We are not a cult! Don't say that. We are the most ethical people on this planet. Sure, we're not allowed to read certain books, but that's because the church knows what's good for us. I pay them to think for me. Several thousand pounds later, and I now know different meanings of every day English words. And I will gladly pay for books that David Miscavige revised. I mean, if David Miscavige's squirreling of LRH tech works for me, then who am I to report him for out ethics? That's like suing Jesus. Wait, we can sue Jesus, right? He's just a figment of my imagination, according to my church. I'm confused. I need to drink another quart of olive oil.
Posted by: Michael T, Dundee on 8:44pm Tue 3 Jun 08
As a long standing political activist it is no surprise that my antennae twitched on reading of the behaviour of the police in this case. I was violently arrested last year- see You Tube video. Dundee Arrest Fight Racism! Fight Imperialism!- for asking the police what legal basis they had for asking me to move while I was leafleting a meeting. The left, and all campaigning groups, have to get their act together in the face of an increased readiness on the part of the police to make up the law to contain and suppress any protest. I read recently that a group of students from Glasgow were dispersed by cops outside the Scottish Parliament for a relatively small demo- what is most disturbing is that people accept this. The cops have no rights to interfere with free expression and assembly under the Human Rights Act, only on the grounds of serious public disorder or national security can they impose conditions or ban a protest. It is actually they who are breaking the law! We all need to stand together to challenge arbitrary and illegal police behaviour.
As a long standing political activist it is no surprise that my antennae twitched on reading of the behaviour of the police in this case. I was violently arrested last year- see You Tube video. Dundee Arrest Fight Racism! Fight Imperialism!- for asking the police what legal basis they had for asking me to move while I was leafleting a meeting. The left, and all campaigning groups, have to get their act together in the face of an increased readiness on the part of the police to make up the law to contain and suppress any protest. I read recently that a group of students from Glasgow were dispersed by cops outside the Scottish Parliament for a relatively small demo- what is most disturbing is that people accept this. The cops have no rights to interfere with free expression and assembly under the Human Rights Act, only on the grounds of serious public disorder or national security can they impose conditions or ban a protest. It is actually they who are breaking the law! We all need to stand together to challenge arbitrary and illegal police behaviour.
Posted by: Dorothy, the continent on 11:00pm Tue 3 Jun 08
The police need to rethink this. You've had a complaint, but what about the label of cult is not factual. Sometimes you need to step up and face the truth. Scientology is indeed a cult and if they don't like it, then they should change their behaviour.
The police need to rethink this. You've had a complaint, but what about the label of cult is not factual. Sometimes you need to step up and face the truth. Scientology is indeed a cult and if they don't like it, then they should change their behaviour.
Posted by: Henk de Vries, The Netherlands on 1:44am Wed 4 Jun 08
The police in the UK should really just stop listening to the false accusations of the 'Church' of Scientology. I have heard numerous accounts of members of Anonymous protesting in front of their buildings and the police being called that Anonymous had 'thrown stones', 'harassed' or 'destroyed property', which were never true.
Scientology is abusing the legal system.
Please don't let them.
Greetings from Holland
The police in the UK should really just stop listening to the false accusations of the 'Church' of Scientology. I have heard numerous accounts of members of Anonymous protesting in front of their buildings and the police being called that Anonymous had 'thrown stones', 'harassed' or 'destroyed property', which were never true.
Scientology is abusing the legal system.
Please don't let them.
Greetings from Holland
Posted by: Johnny, scotland on 11:41am Sun 8 Jun 08
two people were told by strathclyde police to get out of glasgow on saturday 7th june for protesting sbout scientology and using the word cult to describe them the people who complained were the scientologists as these guys were impeding their recruitment drive the scientologists are in glasgow on buchanan street most saturdays with their e-meters and selling their dianetics books looks liike the police dont want anyone daring to protest and inform people who they are
two people were told by strathclyde police to get out of glasgow on saturday 7th june for protesting sbout scientology and using the word cult to describe them the people who complained were the scientologists as these guys were impeding their recruitment drive the scientologists are in glasgow on buchanan street most saturdays with their e-meters and selling their dianetics books looks liike the police dont want anyone daring to protest and inform people who they are
Posted by: Helen, Lithuania on 4:28am Mon 9 Jun 08
Well, very encouraging to see this is all stopping - gradually that is. The comment by Johnny is interesting to see. - They can complain and they do have a lot of leverage with the police - they are trained to use the law in order to obtain peace for themselves. Almost like an Ant killing everything else around its nest in order for its hive to be peaceful and without problems, but sending the world into chaos. - That is what they want.
However, yes - protesting about specific things on specific dates. anonymous has got it right. Cult one month, Fair game the other. Sea Org this month. Anybody and everybody can see how corrupt this organisation is - I just feel sorry about who the people are, inside the group, that have been manipulated by the Scilon.
I urge every member, non-member and human being driven to throw this rat from our planet to turn up to all Scientology gatherings and test them of their knowledge of Everything they know about their own group.
I was successful, eventually, in managing to persuade a scientologist to come to grips that what he was doing was trying to understand a personality - As i added a small footnote as a final departing comment "Just like Psychology likes to understand how our mind works, your understanding our mind also- thank you :)"
and off i went :P
Well, very encouraging to see this is all stopping - gradually that is. The comment by Johnny is interesting to see. - They can complain and they do have a lot of leverage with the police - they are trained to use the law in order to obtain peace for themselves. Almost like an Ant killing everything else around its nest in order for its hive to be peaceful and without problems, but sending the world into chaos. - That is what they want.
However, yes - protesting about specific things on specific dates. anonymous has got it right. Cult one month, Fair game the other. Sea Org this month. Anybody and everybody can see how corrupt this organisation is - I just feel sorry about who the people are, inside the group, that have been manipulated by the Scilon.
I urge every member, non-member and human being driven to throw this rat from our planet to turn up to all Scientology gatherings and test them of their knowledge of Everything they know about their own group.
I was successful, eventually, in managing to persuade a scientologist to come to grips that what he was doing was trying to understand a personality - As i added a small footnote as a final departing comment "Just like Psychology likes to understand how our mind works, your understanding our mind also- thank you :)"
and off i went :P
Posted by: gianduja, @ my desk on 10:30am Mon 9 Jun 08
Lumar wrote: [quote]Scientology is not a cult - by law.[/quote]
In a 1984 judgment given by Mr. Justice Latey in the Family Division of the High Court of Justice of Her Majesty's Courts of Justice of England and Wales, Latey described Scientology a "cult" and said it was "corrupt, sinister and dangerous". In the actual 1984 judgment made by Judge Latey, he stated: "Scientology is both immoral and socially obnoxious. [...] In my judgement it is corrupt, sinister and dangerous. [...] It is dangerous because it is out to capture people, especially children and impressionable young people, and indoctrinate and brainwash them so that they become the unquestioning captives and tools of the cult, withdrawn from ordinary thought, living and relationships with others."
Lumar wrote:
Scientology is not a cult - by law.
In a 1984 judgment given by Mr. Justice Latey in the Family Division of the High Court of Justice of Her Majesty's Courts of Justice of England and Wales, Latey described Scientology a "cult" and said it was "corrupt, sinister and dangerous". In the actual 1984 judgment made by Judge Latey, he stated: "Scientology is both immoral and socially obnoxious. In my judgement it is corrupt, sinister and dangerous. It is dangerous because it is out to capture people, especially children and impressionable young people, and indoctrinate and brainwash them so that they become the unquestioning captives and tools of the cult, withdrawn from ordinary thought, living and relationships with others."
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