Taking on Franco and the many myths of the battle of Camp Nou The aftermath of Rangers’ Cup Winners’ Cup success is still a major talking point HOWEVER UNFORTUNATE the events of 24 May 1972 were for Glasgow Rangers as a club, Scottish football and "Anglo"-Soviet relations at the height of the Cold War, the battle of the Camp Nou has managed to establish an almost mythical status over the years.
If you grew up with football in the 1970s then, with all due respect to those who administrated and policed at that time, the way in which Rangers' 3-2 European Cup Winners' Cup final victory over Dynamo Moscow ended was not really out of context. Those were times of pitch invasions, benign or otherwise, excessive drinking and a level of sport involved in jousting with the boys in blue - which ever country you were in.
But, romantics that we are, the story takes on a different hue with each passing year. Instead of a disgraceful pitched battle between drunken
hooligans and local police which cost Rangers the defence of their trophy, damaged Scotland's reputation and caused 4,000,000 pesetas worth of damage to the Camp Nou, this game became remembered as the day the Glasgow Brigade lent a hand to their Catalan cousins by bashing the lights out of General Franco's Guardia Civil.
Then, as now, we knew how to tell
a story. Scots and Catalans? Cousins under the thumbs of English and Francoist repression, right? Guardia Civil,
notoriously brutal in subduing Catalan identity, language and sport? Scots to
the rescue of their Catalan primos.
That's how the myth has grown over the years and, strangely, if you speak to some of the local witnesses and participants there is a marked unwillingness to outright criticise the estimated 11,000 Rangers supporters - even if the events
of that May night evidently caught Barcelona and its football club in a state of unreadiness, naivety and shock.
Agusti Montal was the president of
FC Barcelona at the time. Son of a great former president he was the man
who signed both Johan Cruyff and Johan Neeskens and introduced the Barcelona Hymn' (Barca Barca Baaaarcca) chanted before each game as well as the branding "Mes que un club" - Barca is more than a club.
He recalls: "I remember it was brutal. I'd invited the then president of our neighbour club Espanyol, Manuel Meler, to sit with me in the presidential box but at the end we had to run for cover because there was this hail of objects being thrown from above, below, left and right. Before we had to escape in fear of serious injury I could just see our stadium being ripped apart so that the fans could find things to throw. It was terrible."
The referee that night was José María Ortiz de Mendíbil, a native of Bilbao who was well thought of and who later became famous in Spain for his weekly TV analysis of the most contentious footballing incidents. A kind of Basque Andy Gray, as opposed to Andy Gray in a basque. Anyway, Mendibil admits he didn't feel in the least threatened by the invading Glaswegian hordes.
"There was no violence in the game and I can honestly say that I knew the pitch invasion was just a spontaneous outpouring of joy rather than anything menacing at first," he said. "It began
as an uncontrollable moment of
happiness when they thought the game had finished and then when it actually did. But, of course, it quickly deteriorated into vandalism and an outright battle - total chaos.
"I have to say that as the referee I never felt threatened or under pressure and in retrospect I have to compliment the two sets of players who reacted calmly and in sportsmanlike fashion.
To me that's especially true of the
Russians because in my experience
any other team which was 3-2 near the end of an important cup final when there was a minor and then major pitch invasion would have instantly demanded a replay.
"Of course the summary has to include the truth that the major factor was Scottish drunkenness to a degree I'd never witnessed before or since."
Poor old Pablo Porta, then president of the Catalan football federation, had pushed hard for the Camp Nou to host this event at a time when Franco's steely grip on Catalunya was diminishing.
FC Barcelona was seen as a tool for
re-establishing rather than simply keeping alive Catalan nationalism.
"The image I'll never forget" he recalls, "was of a cop who was being dragged off by members of the Red Cross with his head badly split open by a bottle wound and cerebral matter trickling down his nose - it was an horrific spectacle.
"I'm not sure I understand why the police reacted so passively, so slowly and then so aggressively when the
situation was already out of their
control. It was a bit of a boxing match between the Scots and the cops and I'd say that the UK media coverage blew that a bit out of proportion later."
Unlike Rangers - the Cup Winners' Cup holders who were not properly presented with their trophy and prevented from defending it - the aftermath of that night for FC Barcelona was largely positive.
Montal, their crafty past president, explains: "There was extensive destruction
of the stadium but FC Barcelona didn't pay a peseta of the repairs. Uefa paid the four million pesetas and we began the installation of plastic seating, which laid the basis for our remodelled stadium in the 1982 World Cup.
"The police shipped the Rangers fans out as quickly as possible, pushing them on to the 70 charter flights whether they had flown to Barcelona or not! The result was that for weeks afterwards I would drive to my office at the Camp Nou and pass dozens of cars with Scottish licence plates stranded in the streets around the stadium.
"It all ended rather sadly in that the Provost of Glasgow invited me and my wife to come to the city a couple of months later as a gesture of reconciliation between the two cities.
We had reached as far
as London on our journey to Scotland when word reached us that John Mains had died. I never did get to meet him."
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Posted by: Steven, Glasgow on 11:47pm Sat 3 Nov 07
Some interesting eyewitness accounts there. The Rangers fans simply wanted to come onto the field to celebrate, as was common in those days. Someone who was there told me that the police panicked and over-reacted. That was the root cause of the trouble. Ironic that Barca actually benefited from it!
Some interesting eyewitness accounts there. The Rangers fans simply wanted to come onto the field to celebrate, as was common in those days. Someone who was there told me that the police panicked and over-reacted. That was the root cause of the trouble. Ironic that Barca actually benefited from it!
Posted by: Hiram A. Beef, Nueva York on Sun 4 Nov 07
"[A] cop who was being dragged off by members of the Red Cross with his head badly split open by a bottle wound and cerebral matter trickling down his nose - it was an horrific spectacle."
Once again Rangers, "up to their knees in you-know-what."
" cop who was being dragged off by members of the Red Cross with his head badly split open by a bottle wound and cerebral matter trickling down his nose - it was an horrific spectacle."
Once again Rangers, "up to their knees in you-know-what."
Posted by: CharlesPatrick, Paradise on 2:22am Sun 4 Nov 07
Is there no end to Rangers fans bravery? Fighting the fascism of Franco on the field of the Nou Camp only 30 years after they fought the fascism of Hitler and Mussolini from the canteen at Fairfields.
Is there no end to Rangers fans bravery? Fighting the fascism of Franco on the field of the Nou Camp only 30 years after they fought the fascism of Hitler and Mussolini from the canteen at Fairfields.
Posted by: steven, catalonia on 7:19am Sun 4 Nov 07
eh? are you serious Graham?
"...this game became remembered as the day the Glasgow Brigade lent a hand to their Catalan cousins by bashing the lights out of General Franco's Guardia Civil."
absolute pish.
I've lived in catalonia for 3 years, spain for 5. Rangers remain a very much hated club in Barcelona for that game, evidenced by the recent damning reports on the 50th anniversary of the camp nou, and the heightened level of security for tuesday's game.
If as reported in the Catalan press, some rangers fans reveal a banner saying, "Catalonia is Spain" the relationship ain't gonna improve. If this is made up, just shows the general lack of trust and fear regarding their visit.
eh? are you serious Graham?
"...this game became remembered as the day the Glasgow Brigade lent a hand to their Catalan cousins by bashing the lights out of General Franco's Guardia Civil."
absolute pish.
I've lived in catalonia for 3 years, spain for 5. Rangers remain a very much hated club in Barcelona for that game, evidenced by the recent damning reports on the 50th anniversary of the camp nou, and the heightened level of security for tuesday's game.
If as reported in the Catalan press, some rangers fans reveal a banner saying, "Catalonia is Spain" the relationship ain't gonna improve. If this is made up, just shows the general lack of trust and fear regarding their visit.
Posted by: clayton-moore on 9:02am Sun 4 Nov 07
steven
What a load of garbage.
The Catalonians aren't in the least bit concerned about a football match 30 years ago.
They did have a good laugh at the celtc supporters continually crossing themselves and were asking if they were peasants from the countryside.
steven
What a load of garbage.
The Catalonians aren't in the least bit concerned about a football match 30 years ago.
They did have a good laugh at the celtc supporters continually crossing themselves and were asking if they were peasants from the countryside.
Posted by: clayton-moore on 9:05am Sun 4 Nov 07
charlespatrick
Fairfields was nearer the action than Southern Ireland, where many of the celtc minded headed in sept 39.
Same month the IRA declared itself with the nazis.
charlespatrick
Fairfields was nearer the action than Southern Ireland, where many of the celtc minded headed in sept 39.
Same month the IRA declared itself with the nazis.
Posted by: gorrob, glasgow on 9:18am Sun 4 Nov 07
steven, catalonia
rangers have never been 'hated' in barcelona
why if we were 'hated' were we invited in 74 to take part in barcelona's anniversarry tournament? why did we play to capacity crowds in the two games we played in the nou camp?
still...never let the truth get in the way of a dig at the rangers
I will give you time to google the tourney and read the facts before you reply.....
steven, catalonia
rangers have never been 'hated' in barcelona
why if we were 'hated' were we invited in 74 to take part in barcelona's anniversarry tournament? why did we play to capacity crowds in the two games we played in the nou camp?
still...never let the truth get in the way of a dig at the rangers
I will give you time to google the tourney and read the facts before you reply.....
Posted by: shug, rotterdam on 9:50am Sun 4 Nov 07
Yes, what a load of rubbish from Steven in Catalonia.
I was at the match. It was a strange experience being in such a huge stadium with about 20,000 Gers fans, no Russian supporters, and only a handful of locals.
Sure, a lot of fans had a skinfull- myself included- but nothing could excuse the way the police waded into everybody, not just in the stadium, but for hours later all round the city.
People nowadays forget what a nasty peice of work General Franco was. I remember reading at the time that the local constabulary was mainly composed of non-locals as few in Barcelona would join.
A good point from Gorrob re Gers being invited back a couple of years later.
Yes, what a load of rubbish from Steven in Catalonia.
I was at the match. It was a strange experience being in such a huge stadium with about 20,000 Gers fans, no Russian supporters, and only a handful of locals.
Sure, a lot of fans had a skinfull- myself included- but nothing could excuse the way the police waded into everybody, not just in the stadium, but for hours later all round the city.
People nowadays forget what a nasty peice of work General Franco was. I remember reading at the time that the local constabulary was mainly composed of non-locals as few in Barcelona would join.
A good point from Gorrob re Gers being invited back a couple of years later.
Posted by: Hampden57, Glasgow on 10:13am Sun 4 Nov 07
What tosh. Rangers fans then, as now, knew next to nothing about political or current affairs issues in Scotland, far less Spain. It was, pure and simply, a case of tanked-up Rangers fans invading the pitch and causing a riot. Part of the reason they did it is that they knew Rangers had died in the last 20 minutes of that game, and looked likely to concede a 3rd goal.
Regarding the nonsense written about 'Southern Ireland' (wherever that is) I think you'll find that a lot of people from the 26 county Irish state did actually fight in WW2 on the side of the British, US and USSR. It is also the case that the IRA leadership at no point during that war declared itself 'for the Nazis'. Some members did seek German assistance--a very different thing--, but many others were opposed to this tactic, having fought against the Nazis themselves in Spain during the Spanish Civil War (a war that the freedom loving British decided to stay out of, thus handing victory to Franco and strengthening Hitler) But why let the facts get in the road of a sectarian rant?
What tosh. Rangers fans then, as now, knew next to nothing about political or current affairs issues in Scotland, far less Spain. It was, pure and simply, a case of tanked-up Rangers fans invading the pitch and causing a riot. Part of the reason they did it is that they knew Rangers had died in the last 20 minutes of that game, and looked likely to concede a 3rd goal.
Regarding the nonsense written about 'Southern Ireland' (wherever that is) I think you'll find that a lot of people from the 26 county Irish state did actually fight in WW2 on the side of the British, US and USSR. It is also the case that the IRA leadership at no point during that war declared itself 'for the Nazis'. Some members did seek German assistance--a very different thing--, but many others were opposed to this tactic, having fought against the Nazis themselves in Spain during the Spanish Civil War (a war that the freedom loving British decided to stay out of, thus handing victory to Franco and strengthening Hitler) But why let the facts get in the road of a sectarian rant?
Posted by: Tommy, East Kilbride on 11:41am Sun 4 Nov 07
[quote][bold]shug[/bold] wrote:
Yes, what a load of rubbish from Steven in Catalonia. I was at the match. It was a strange experience being in such a huge stadium with about 20,000 Gers fans, no Russian supporters, and only a handful of locals. Sure, a lot of fans had a skinfull- myself included- but nothing could excuse the way the police waded into everybody, not just in the stadium, but for hours later all round the city. People nowadays forget what a nasty peice of work General Franco was. I remember reading at the time that the local constabulary was mainly composed of non-locals as few in Barcelona would join. A good point from Gorrob re Gers being invited back a couple of years later. [/quote] It's true then! Rangers supporters can start a fight in an empty stadium....
shug wrote:
Yes, what a load of rubbish from Steven in Catalonia. I was at the match. It was a strange experience being in such a huge stadium with about 20,000 Gers fans, no Russian supporters, and only a handful of locals. Sure, a lot of fans had a skinfull- myself included- but nothing could excuse the way the police waded into everybody, not just in the stadium, but for hours later all round the city. People nowadays forget what a nasty peice of work General Franco was. I remember reading at the time that the local constabulary was mainly composed of non-locals as few in Barcelona would join. A good point from Gorrob re Gers being invited back a couple of years later.
It's true then! Rangers supporters can start a fight in an empty stadium....
Posted by: HMNP, Pitlochry on 2:49pm Sun 4 Nov 07
I see an article about Rangers is as per usual dominated in the comments section by Celtic supporters, They the Celtic fans are a self-righteous tyrannical minority (in Scotland at least) with an agenda well beyond football! Their constant reference to sectarianism is an excuse for in my experience their own amount of the SAME. Stick to supporting your own club you Celtic minded bigot's. Celtic fans hate Rangers more than they love Celtic-FACT!!
I see an article about Rangers is as per usual dominated in the comments section by Celtic supporters, They the Celtic fans are a self-righteous tyrannical minority (in Scotland at least) with an agenda well beyond football! Their constant reference to sectarianism is an excuse for in my experience their own amount of the SAME. Stick to supporting your own club you Celtic minded bigot's. Celtic fans hate Rangers more than they love Celtic-FACT!!
Posted by: DS, Scotland on 2:52pm Sun 4 Nov 07
I wonder what would happen to a team nowadays if they were 3-0 up in a European Final, got brought back to 3-2 and, while under intense pressure in the last few minutes, their fans invaded the pitch in order to get the game stopped.
In fact, these fans succeeded and their team won the trophy. Imagine that? A game stopped early by the pitch-invading fans of a team under the cosh and then their team actually get rewarded as the victors. Would still happen today?
Still, as someone of the red white & blue persuasion once said to me, "What we achieved in Barcelona far outweighs what Celtic did in Lisbon."
Hmmm.........
I wonder what would happen to a team nowadays if they were 3-0 up in a European Final, got brought back to 3-2 and, while under intense pressure in the last few minutes, their fans invaded the pitch in order to get the game stopped.
In fact, these fans succeeded and their team won the trophy. Imagine that? A game stopped early by the pitch-invading fans of a team under the cosh and then their team actually get rewarded as the victors. Would still happen today?
Still, as someone of the red white & blue persuasion once said to me, "What we achieved in Barcelona far outweighs what Celtic did in Lisbon."
Hmmm.........
Posted by: Fzreufezuher, France on 2:52pm Sun 4 Nov 07
Five years earlier, the green-and-white lot had beaten Inter Milan Reserves to win their trophy. Don't tell me their fans stayed in their seats at the end. There was I believe genuine expectation that Rangers fans would be able to celebrate at the Camp Nou in a similar fashion.
Having said which, there was a lot of stupid stuff that went on that night.
Five years earlier, the green-and-white lot had beaten Inter Milan Reserves to win their trophy. Don't tell me their fans stayed in their seats at the end. There was I believe genuine expectation that Rangers fans would be able to celebrate at the Camp Nou in a similar fashion.
Having said which, there was a lot of stupid stuff that went on that night.
Posted by: Frank, West Lothian on 5:26pm Sun 4 Nov 07
[quote][bold]DS[/bold] wrote:
I wonder what would happen to a team nowadays if they were 3-0 up in a European Final, got brought back to 3-2 and, while under intense pressure in the last few minutes, their fans invaded the pitch in order to get the game stopped. In fact, these fans succeeded and their team won the trophy. Imagine that? A game stopped early by the pitch-invading fans of a team under the cosh and then their team actually get rewarded as the victors. Would still happen today? Still, as someone of the red white & blue persuasion once said to me, "What we achieved in Barcelona far outweighs what Celtic did in Lisbon." Hmmm.........[/quote] Very imaginative, but that wasn't what happened in Barcelona.
DS wrote:
I wonder what would happen to a team nowadays if they were 3-0 up in a European Final, got brought back to 3-2 and, while under intense pressure in the last few minutes, their fans invaded the pitch in order to get the game stopped. In fact, these fans succeeded and their team won the trophy. Imagine that? A game stopped early by the pitch-invading fans of a team under the cosh and then their team actually get rewarded as the victors. Would still happen today? Still, as someone of the red white & blue persuasion once said to me, "What we achieved in Barcelona far outweighs what Celtic did in Lisbon." Hmmm.........
Very imaginative, but that wasn't what happened in Barcelona.
Posted by: DS, Scotland on 6:11pm Sun 4 Nov 07
Oh dear, looks like Frank is re-writing history. FACT.
Oh dear, looks like Frank is re-writing history. FACT.
Posted by: Tom McK D.U.F.C, edinburgh on 11:22pm Mon 5 Nov 07
The Rangersa fans disgraced themselves on that evening. They are/were a disgrace, and shouldn't have been awarded the now defunct cup. It annoys me to think that some people might think bad of Scotland because of those English wannabe slimeballs.
The Rangersa fans disgraced themselves on that evening. They are/were a disgrace, and shouldn't have been awarded the now defunct cup. It annoys me to think that some people might think bad of Scotland because of those English wannabe slimeballs.
Posted by: Scott Murray, Perthshire ex Larkhall ex Drumchapel ex Isle of Mull on 7:56pm Fri 9 Nov 07
Ok its a bit late to enter the debate But I really get pished off by Celtic fans a Rangers fans trying to win points over each other trying to prove who has the 'moral high ground' I was in Barca that night.... and I well remember my pride when I lived in London 1967 going into work amongst the English [remember what happened in 1966] and giving them all hell because a Glasgow team had won the European Cup I was so proud of my City so when I got Barcelona I was determined to go onto the park at the end as was done in Lisbon by the other mob and dance my heart out..which I did only to be battered by a Fascist cop my money fell out my pocket and the swine pocketed it and laughed holding his big batton in his hand what could I do..I really didnt care we had won . Later on the Ramblas I remember the chants 'Franco's a ****' over and over and the polis trying to push us back then we went for them and chased them up every side street in sight. Then a wee Spanish guy came up to me gave me a bottle of wine and kissed me on both cheeks told me he was a lecturer in english at Barca uni and told me that it is the first time in over 40 years that he has seen anybody stand up to 'those fascist bastards'.. I always wanted to do something against them and with winning a European trophy and chasing the Fascist Spanish polis I was delighted
Ok its a bit late to enter the debate But I really get pished off by Celtic fans a Rangers fans trying to win points over each other trying to prove who has the 'moral high ground' I was in Barca that night.... and I well remember my pride when I lived in London 1967 going into work amongst the English and giving them all hell because a Glasgow team had won the European Cup I was so proud of my City so when I got Barcelona I was determined to go onto the park at the end as was done in Lisbon by the other mob and dance my heart out..which I did only to be battered by a Fascist cop my money fell out my pocket and the swine pocketed it and laughed holding his big batton in his hand what could I do..I really didnt care we had won . Later on the Ramblas I remember the chants 'Franco's a ****' over and over and the polis trying to push us back then we went for them and chased them up every side street in sight. Then a wee Spanish guy came up to me gave me a bottle of wine and kissed me on both cheeks told me he was a lecturer in english at Barca uni and told me that it is the first time in over 40 years that he has seen anybody stand up to 'those fascist bastards'.. I always wanted to do something against them and with winning a European trophy and chasing the Fascist Spanish polis I was delighted