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On the brink of history
Accusations of cautious, dull play are simply sour grapes. Lacking in more expansive players, Walter Smith has created a highly effective defence that works, says Michael Grant

RANGERS SOAKED up everything Fiorentina could throw at them on Thursday evening only for another bombardment to begin within seconds of Nacho Novo's decisive kick in the penalty shoot-out. The hours after the match were spent in boisterous celebration, in breathless media interviews and in preparation for the immediate journey home and a flight to Glasgow which landed at 5am.

All the way through it the players and management's mobiles were being inundated with messages. Ally McCoist received more than anyone, needless to say. Some were offering congratulations but many were on the scrounge for tickets for the final in Manchester. "It was a world record," said the assistant manager. "153 text messages. Everyone from Laura Davies to Frankie Dettori."

Rangers have plenty of friends for a team which has found itself accused of crimes against football. The 2008 Uefa Cup final is going to have the feel of a home match; their supporters will fill almost every nook and cranny, and it will be red, white and blue banners and flags hanging all around the City of Manchester Stadium. It will be an occupation - the pocket of Zenit St Petersburg supporters will be swallowed up in the overall picture - by supporters unconcerned by the criticism and jealousy which has rained down on their club's campaign.

If there is some sort of satisfaction for Rangers' enemies in the fact their football is so unloved, that slim consolation may have to sustain them through a victory for Walter Smith's team in the final a week on Wednesday. Former Ibrox manager Dick Advocaat has Zenit playing quick, aggressive, pass-and-move attacking football which is a delight as well as proving richly rewarding for them in terms of goals.

They have scored 29 goals in 16 Uefa Cup fixtures - their 4-0 rout of Bayern Munich on Thursday was "one of the results of the season", said Smith - compared to a paltry five for Rangers in eight matches. It is remarkable that Rangers have made it to a European final on just a single handful of goals, but there is no mystery about it. The statistic which matters for them is that they have kept six clean sheets in those eight games and conceded just two goals (Zenit have let in 15).

The Russians are favourites at 8/11 to Rangers' evens and the odds are close because the bookmakers recognise the effectiveness of Rangers' exceptional defensive organisation and quality. 0-0 and 1-1 against Panathinaikos, 2-0 and 0-1 against Werder Bremen, 0-0 and 2-0 against Sporting Lisbon, a couple of 0-0s and a winning penalty shoot-out against Fiorentina: goals have been rationed in their Uefa Cup run and the reviews of been unflattering. Anti-football, ugly football, a renunciation of football: frustrated opponents have had to penetrate them with insults when they couldn't manage it with the ball.

The Italians did not think much of Rangers' tactics. A local journalist in the row in front of me in the press box opened his laptop for the first half only to spend nearly all of it updating his Facebook page. Fiorentina fans, whipped up by negative coverage of Rangers' tactics in their media, howled and jeered whenever Smith's team made square or backward passes.

As Rangers' own fans' song puts it, no-one likes them, they don't care. They lack the quality of player to succeed with a more expansive style of play and Smith's great talent has been to construct a defence which can make them effective in the Uefa Cup regardless. That may seem dreary, but it is easier said than done, and has nothing to do with luck or desperation. If football was simply about throwing bodies behind the ball then European finals would be cluttered by all sorts of humdrum sides.

What Rangers have done in Europe this season, and notably in the away ties in Bremen and Florence, is rely on planting two outstanding central defenders, Davie Weir and Carlos Cuellar, as padlocks behind a stubborn, aggressive midfield, athletic full-backs and a reliable goalkeeper (first Allan McGregor, now Neil Alexander). It has been such a solid foundation they have been able to nick three of their four ties by away goals or penalties.

It is impossible to blame Smith for using the only tactic which could have kept Rangers in Europe and he will use it yet again in Manchester. Opening up in the final might appeal to the neutrals, and certainly to Advocaat, but it would be betray the hard work and qualities which took Rangers there in the first place. And it would probably guarantee defeat.

"There's no way we could approach the final, especially against this team, with anything other than a defensive set-up," said McCoist. "They have boys up front with real pace, absolute lightning. They are the kind of team, under wee Dick, that like to be attacked, get hit and then they can batter you on the counter attack. We will not give them that worry - I can safely say that!

"People are criticising our play and that's fine because it goes with the territory. But anyone with any intelligence at all would look deeper into the situation. What the lads are doing is absolutely playing to their strengths. You've seen what happens when we try to change the game plan in any way. We opened up in Stuttgart and lost three goals and the game. We must be doing something right. We just went over to a country Italy that are the best in the world at it and we beat them at their own game. When Italians do it, it's fantastic and wonderful and when we do it it's anti-football'."

Italian teams began to conquer Europe by playing defensive football in the 1960s and it worked for Greece at Euro 2004. As they lifted their cups and medals none of those players were concerned by low marks for artistic merit and the Rangers players are similarly unaffected.

"It would be nice to get more credit," said Weir. "But at the end of the day we're going to a Uefa Cup Final. If it's not everyone's cup of tea then that's their problem. I am sure we have a few fans going to Manchester who won't be too bothered about what has been said about us."

Cuellar was similarly unapologetic. "Maybe Fiorentina were better than us, but that's life. It's not always the best team that wins. Does it annoy me? It doesn't really matter to me. We are in the final on merit. It seems to be that when a team loses, this is the type of thing they say."

Today Rangers play the first of three SPL matches which must be negotiated before Manchester. Lee McCulloch and Charlie Adam have a chance of returning against Hibs this afternoon or Motherwell on Wednesday. Even for Rangers' injured players there is no reprieve from the bombardment, though. The ticket requests keep on coming from people desperate to follow this loved and unloved team.

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Posted by: jim o'rourke, ayrshire on 10:43pm Sat 3 May 08
Well done Michael Grant. You've been able to say what you as a committed Rangers supporter wanted to say. It doesn't change the fact that Rangers played for penalties. Anti-football or what?????
Posted by: Eddie, Falkirk on 11:11pm Sat 3 May 08
Ah, the first jealous Celtic fan is already with us. Excellent!
Posted by: yacky on 11:15pm Sat 3 May 08
Wonder why all the non Rangers people were looking the other way when we had the best chances in the match from Nacho Novo and Ulsterman Steve Davis. And penalties or not it doesn't change the fact we are in the final.
Posted by: wolf, glasgow on 11:17pm Sat 3 May 08
Aye, the last man standing....they have been hanging on by their fingernails over their last matches, just watch as the SPL unfolds.....
Posted by: kellsie, scotland on 11:24pm Sat 3 May 08
Anti football my arse ...........

did they score ?? no so what happens if no team scores eh !!

Go and dry your eyes and hope you might win the league with a lot of help from your friends !!!!
Posted by: Barry, Lanarkshire on 11:27pm Sat 3 May 08
Wolf - Last man standing?

If Rangers win their next 3 SPL games (all of which take place during the next 8 days,) then they will almost certainly be champions. If Celtic also maintain full points during that period, then Rangers will be only 2 points behind with 2 games in hand. In fact, that means that they will be able to draw 2 of their last 3 games, or lose one of them. I'm not a Rangers fan, but it appears that the hysteria about Celtic's gret comeback this season has been inflated by a media who are desperate for a story.

What's more, Rangers are not anti-football. The Italians have been doing this for years and we've been lauding them for their progressive defensive qualities.
Posted by: wolf, glasgow on 11:29pm Sat 3 May 08
yacky wrote:
Wonder why all the non Rangers people were looking the other way when we had the best chances in the match from Nacho Novo and Ulsterman Steve Davis. And penalties or not it doesn't change the fact we are in the final.
Aye, two clear cut chances over 120minutes, Rangers have no legs left to make runs forward, we can see when darcheville runs out of breath after 45 min....watch the SPL infold as rangers have the last man standing, they will draw two matches and the title us for the celts, who cares about an empty tomato tin called uefa cup
Posted by: yacky on 11:33pm Sat 3 May 08
Of course no one cares about the uefa cup thats why you are talking about it. And that is also why you took eighty, ninety or two hundred thousand (LOL) to seville.
Posted by: alan martin, west australia on 11:49pm Sat 3 May 08
GO THE GERS IN MANCHESTER IWILL BE THERE.AS FAR AS I AM CONCERED THE INTEGRITY OF SCOTTISH FOOTBALL DROPPED WHEN A CERTAIN GAME WAS POSTPONED 2 JANUARY
Posted by: paul h, fife on 11:55pm Sat 3 May 08
The small group of Celtic fans slagging Rangers off aren't doing themselves any favours. Well done to the Gers for getting there and good luck- from an Arab.
Posted by: ShrewsburyBear on 12:17am Sun 4 May 08
Many thanks to all the non-Rangers football fans that have made positive comments because no matter how we have played, they realise that reaching a UEFA Cup Final is a positive.

C'mon Rangers, a British and an undoubtably proud Scottish team.
Posted by: ShrewsburyBear on 12:24am Sun 4 May 08
Oh and I must add that the Fiorentina fans are an exceptionaly friendly and brilliant group of fans.

We drank all day and all night in Florence and the constant reception that the people of Florence gave us was truely outstanding.
Posted by: peter, Shawlands on 12:31am Sun 4 May 08
yacky wrote:
Of course no one cares about the uefa cup thats why you are talking about it. And that is also why you took eighty, ninety or two hundred thousand (LOL) to seville.
When Celtic reached the UEFA cup final it was a great achievement for them. But the Champions of Scotland have moved on - they are now a Champions League outfit - a last 16 outfit two years running. Add to that one of the top 20 richest teams in the world. Rangers aren't even on the financial radar. A UEFA cup final is a dream achievement for a team with no quality or footballing brains (as was demonstrated by the Champions of Scotland twice recently). Who knows, Rangers might even win the wee backwater cup, on penalties, of course.
Posted by: yacky on 12:42am Sun 4 May 08
Still here commenting on the glorious Rangers then I see. Is this the same wee backwater cup that you lot are making a theatre play about getting to the final off :-) lol lol
Posted by: peter, Shawlands on 12:50am Sun 4 May 08
yacky wrote:
Still here commenting on the glorious Rangers then I see. Is this the same wee backwater cup that you lot are making a theatre play about getting to the final off :-) lol lol
Only as long as you keep commenting on the Champions of Scotland. By the way your now eight point adrift.
Posted by: :-) on 1:03am Sun 4 May 08
peter wrote:
yacky wrote: Still here commenting on the glorious Rangers then I see. Is this the same wee backwater cup that you lot are making a theatre play about getting to the final off :-) lol lol
Only as long as you keep commenting on the Champions of Scotland. By the way your now eight point adrift.
Tell all the tims you know
we're off to Manchester and their no
we'll be having some fun, in the Rovers Return
and they'll be singing "Strachan must go".
Posted by: Dunc, Glasgow on 1:09am Sun 4 May 08
A UEFA cup final is a dream achievement for a team with no quality or footballing brains


So that's what Larsson and the rest of the bhoys were in 2003, eh Peter. Envy is a terrible thing. Try not to let it eat away at you. :0)
Posted by: peter, shawlands on 1:12am Sun 4 May 08
play the tune on your xylophone
Posted by: yacky on 1:40am Sun 4 May 08
Now your resorting to lies. We are both here commenting on a story about Uefa cup finalists, Rangers. I haven't even talked about the race for the SPL.
Posted by: Happy Billy Boy, glasgow on 1:41am Sun 4 May 08
Lets be honest. Rangers are in the FINAL. Brilliant. That is what the history books will show. We r the people. Let them say what er they may.... ha ha ha we r away to Manchester and u ARE NOT.
Posted by: John, Kent on 1:43am Sun 4 May 08
:-) wrote:
peter wrote:
yacky wrote: Still here commenting on the glorious Rangers then I see. Is this the same wee backwater cup that you lot are making a theatre play about getting to the final off :-) lol lol
Only as long as you keep commenting on the Champions of Scotland. By the way your now eight point adrift.
Tell all the tims you know we're off to Manchester and their no we'll be having some fun, in the Rovers Return and they'll be singing "Strachan must go".
My goodness, your grammar is appalling, it goes to prove you are indeed uneducated!! Please refrain from embarrassing yourself further & desist from commenting on anything, you poor thing.........
Posted by: Tommy, Edinburgh on 1:46am Sun 4 May 08
Do they really think sour grapes that spews from tommy tankers matters? Hullo hullo we r the billy Boys... We r the people... Oh, it was fabulous... Well done boys... what a team... brilliant.

8 points adrift? Yes, and how many games in hand? Hello hello ... we r the Billy Boys... HULLO HULLO

Well done the gers... bouncy bouncy bouncy bouncy.... I could cry with happiness...

THE QUADRUPLE is coming our way...
Posted by: Brian on 1:51am Sun 4 May 08
Grammar? Du u like statistics?

WE are in the final Tommy Tank boy.

I am taking my flute to Manchester. I cant wait to give them a tune.

Posted by: Brian on 1:52am Sun 4 May 08
Grammar? Du u like statistics?

WE are in the final Tommy Tank boy.

I am taking my flute to Manchester. I cant wait to give them a tune.

Posted by: JC, Deepest Kent on 1:55am Sun 4 May 08
Look forward to seeing all you blue-noses "gloating" on these forums come the 22nd of May. I suspect you will all be blaming referees or the SPL or whatever theory you may wish to dream up on your failures.
Posted by: Gloating NOW on 2:06am Sun 4 May 08
Get your sashes on and flutes out lads - manchester here we come!!!!!!!!

Failures? Eh? So what final are Celtic in Tommy Tank boy?

Bouncy bouncy bouncy bouncy ...

Gloating on 22nd May? I am gloating now ya fanny... HULLO HULLO....

Oh it was a wonderful night especially when the old granny next door to me ran out into the middle of our street and sang the Sash - lovely voice she had.
Posted by: JC, Deepest Kent on 2:21am Sun 4 May 08
Gloating NOW wrote:
Get your sashes on and flutes out lads - manchester here we come!!!!!!!! Failures? Eh? So what final are Celtic in Tommy Tank boy? Bouncy bouncy bouncy bouncy ... Gloating on 22nd May? I am gloating now ya fanny... HULLO HULLO.... Oh it was a wonderful night especially when the old granny next door to me ran out into the middle of our street and sang the Sash - lovely voice she had.
What a bigot you are! Glad I don't live in Manchester when scum like you will be destroying that poor city.

Celtic are actually in the FINAL stages of the SPL, where they will WIN the league. You will not win your last six games where I can see you drawing at least two of them, so "bye-bye" the league fro this season anti-football Rankers!

Just look at the odds the bookies are offering. You have FOUR games in hand and they're only offering 4/7 for you to win the league compared to only a few weeks ago at 1/14!!!

Squeeky bum time for you lot!!!!

Just as well you are getting your gloat in now but that doesn't stop you from looking like a CU Next Tuesday!!!
Posted by: JC, Deepest Kent on 2:25am Sun 4 May 08
Oh, by the way, why don't you just keep enjoying the following:

http://news.bbc.co.u
k/sport1/hi/scotland
/7370323.stm
Posted by: r macleod, wallace on 2:49am Sun 4 May 08
This is exactly what is so wrong with Scotland .
every Scottish person and football fan shoud be happy that a Scottish team has yet again reached a European Final.
How all those Old Firm Unionists must be enjoying the joy of the divide and conquer routine.
I wonder if Twickenham , Wembley attending Raith Rovers Fan Mr Bean will go to Manchester to support the Scottish team doubt it , might remind middle England of his land of birth .
We can be sure though that our Jambo FM@‚`‚Œ‚…‚˜‚r‚‚Œ‚
‚‚Ž‚„@will be there.
Great for Scotland ,great for Rangers great for every other Scottish football team
Posted by: True North, Canada on 3:02am Sun 4 May 08
Sure Rangers are brutal to watch. They have no quality players, no creativity and their game plan consists of stifling the opposition with ten men behind the ball. But it works! You have to congratulate them for what they have achieved this year. Good organization, a physical presence and a ton of hard work has given a team with very little ability success beyond their wildest dreams. I just hope they don't embarass Scotland and run out of luck against Advocaat's Russians. It could well happen.
Posted by: In Walter we trust, Glasgow on 4:03am Sun 4 May 08
JC wrote:
Gloating NOW wrote: Get your sashes on and flutes out lads - manchester here we come!!!!!!!! Failures? Eh? So what final are Celtic in Tommy Tank boy? Bouncy bouncy bouncy bouncy ... Gloating on 22nd May? I am gloating now ya fanny... HULLO HULLO.... Oh it was a wonderful night especially when the old granny next door to me ran out into the middle of our street and sang the Sash - lovely voice she had.
What a bigot you are! Glad I don\'t live in Manchester when scum like you will be destroying that poor city. Celtic are actually in the FINAL stages of the SPL, where they will WIN the league. You will not win your last six games where I can see you drawing at least two of them, so \"bye-bye\" the league fro this season anti-football Rankers! Just look at the odds the bookies are offering. You have FOUR games in hand and they\'re only offering 4/7 for you to win the league compared to only a few weeks ago at 1/14!!! Squeeky bum time for you lot!!!! Just as well you are getting your gloat in now but that doesn\'t stop you from looking like a CU Next Tuesday!!!
Oh JC, how our extremely successful season is paining you. Congratulations, you made it to the FINAL stages of the SPL. Congratulations also to Gretna, who have made it to the FINAL stages too. Let's not forget about ICT either.

Whilst you're intent on belittling Rangers' remarkable season, bear in mind that Celtic have only the league to play for and are still making heavy weather of that. Rangers have competed with great success in 4 competitions this season and are in with a chance of a record-breaking quadruple this year. Don't forget that this is a Rangers team that Celtic have had a huge headstart over in terms of building a team. And in the short time that Walter Smith has been here, he has built a team so strong that they have reached a European final. What an achievement.

Meanwhile, your main point seems to be that although we're still favourites for the league, we're not quite as strong favourites as we were a couple of weeks ago. Well congratulations to Celtic on that remarkable feat. Strachan for a knighthood I say.

Ever considered where your life went wrong when you're up in the middle of the night commenting on Rangers stories on-line? (I'm on night-shift by the way!)
Posted by: doug, houston, TX on 4:32am Sun 4 May 08
Celtic fans worring about Rangers destroying Manchester City Centre!! Such sweet irony.

Some men fight for silverware , my little friends.
Posted by: no hotel bookings required in manchester for ra selik fans, dubai on 5:20am Sun 4 May 08
all Gers fans must be sitting back laughing at the tims free view entertainment currently being provided on all websites, radio phone-ins etc.
keep it coming timothy! :)
Posted by: Billy Turnbull, 10 days from Manchester on 5:41am Sun 4 May 08
Sour grapes ma a-se, you reporters call it what you like but in reality its bigoted bitterness from the piggery, that mob despise anything and everybody connected to RFC.....

I can feel the pain and hurting from that mob so much I just love tuning into radio phone ins and forums like this to get my daily injection of satisfaction from them, the real bigots always get found out in the end....

Keep it coming !!
Posted by: Billy Turnbull, 10 days from Manchester on 5:47am Sun 4 May 08
peter wrote:
yacky wrote: Of course no one cares about the uefa cup thats why you are talking about it. And that is also why you took eighty, ninety or two hundred thousand (LOL) to seville.
When Celtic reached the UEFA cup final it was a great achievement for them. But the Champions of Scotland have moved on - they are now a Champions League outfit - a last 16 outfit two years running. Add to that one of the top 20 richest teams in the world. Rangers aren\'t even on the financial radar. A UEFA cup final is a dream achievement for a team with no quality or footballing brains (as was demonstrated by the Champions of Scotland twice recently). Who knows, Rangers might even win the wee backwater cup, on penalties, of course.
The pain and hurting is tremendous...

Keep it coming I need guys like you
Posted by: Jock Stein, RIP, Shanghai, China on 6:10am Sun 4 May 08
I have noted the negative comments from fellow Celtic supporters about Rangers achievement. I am appalled by these comments. This is a victory for all of Scotland and Celtic fans who do not see this will surely be seen to be unseemly bigots.
It is not often that Scotland has real success on the world stage and we (Scots) should jointly commend this. I do hope that Rangers go on to win the cup for Scotland and Celtic try and do better in the SPL.
Great effort Rangers do Scotland proud on 14th May.
Posted by: PaulB, Rutherglen on 6:45am Sun 4 May 08
I'm a Celtic fan and although I must admit I didn't want Rangers to go through I am actually embarassed by some of the comments made by my fellow fans about the style of football Rangers have played to get to the final. Yes of course it is sour grapes!

It's not as if we have been playing freeflowing attacking football in Europe.

Anyway, I'm confident that Rangers congested fixture list will lead to their demise now and Celtic will lift the SPL for the third time in a row.
Posted by: wolf on 7:17am Sun 4 May 08
Yous proddy ar all pyoor bigots by the way, imagine yous playing the right tactics and no letting that italyan team baet yees, its jist pyoor bigotry.
Posted by: Tarquin, Sussex on 7:39am Sun 4 May 08
PaulB wrote:
I'm a Celtic fan and although I must admit I didn't want Rangers to go through I am actually embarassed by some of the comments made by my fellow fans about the style of football Rangers have played to get to the final. Yes of course it is sour grapes! It's not as if we have been playing freeflowing attacking football in Europe. Anyway, I'm confident that Rangers congested fixture list will lead to their demise now and Celtic will lift the SPL for the third time in a row.
Mate, I don;t think it;s as simple as sour grapes. Some of your fellow fans have an irrational and all-consuming hatred of Rangers because of what they represent, i.e.:

Protestantism
Unionism
Britishness

I appreciate your contribution, genuinely, but let's be completely truthful here.
Posted by: Impartial???, North Sea on 7:41am Sun 4 May 08
It is quite alarming to read how many Rangers fans are actually praising a team that not so long ago they were booing at their home ground.
I must say it is a remarkable achievement for them to reach the UEFA Cup Final, whether they win it remains to be seen although the close proximity of Manchester to Glasgow can and must work in their favour.
I only hope that the final is a more open affair rather than the stodge that has been served up in the qualifying rounds.
My only other hope is that Scotland's Shame dont contrive to get themselves banned again for their fans behaviour in their second-ever european final as they did in Barcelona. My hopes are not that high however...
Posted by: wolf, glasgow on 7:53am Sun 4 May 08
Hugh Grant, your article amazes me!! You are writing Rangers lack the quality and Walter has constructed a team that can win matches without such quality. Well, weel, Walter was the one who bought Gow, Broadfoot, whittacker thomson, weir, daily.....to mention a few. They are all first team players and walter knew that when he got them in that he is going to play this style of football. Please, do not tell me that walter the genius has made do with what he got and turnes that into a genial gameplan. This is a joke. Rangers is almost unable to play any other type of football, they get found out if they play any other style.A team that plays constantly with 6-8 defenders does not even need a coach or a manager, just send them onto the pitch and tell them ...defend. The manager can then go to the nearest local and have a pint, while his team defends...defends and hope to steal a goal from somwhere....
Posted by: se1tik, londres on 7:53am Sun 4 May 08
Jock Stein, RIP wrote:
I have noted the negative comments from fellow Celtic supporters about Rangers achievement. I am appalled by these comments. This is a victory for all of Scotland and Celtic fans who do not see this will surely be seen to be unseemly bigots. It is not often that Scotland has real success on the world stage and we (Scots) should jointly commend this. I do hope that Rangers go on to win the cup for Scotland and Celtic try and do better in the SPL. Great effort Rangers do Scotland proud on 14th May.
what a clueless clown.

world stage ?

victory for all scotland ? eh?

'they are the people'...or have you forgotten .
just shut up.
Posted by: Kyiv Loyal on 7:57am Sun 4 May 08
It's interesting to compare Rangers' and Zenit's comparative league performances and run-ins, as well as the UEFA scene.

If Zenit are so classy, how come their only league win was against FC Moskva - one place below them in the league (14th). 6 points from 7 games is hardly inspiring.

Additionally:
1. Zenit's match at the end of April against Terek was moved to July 16th. Nice fresh legs for Bayern.
2. Today's match against CSKA has been moved to July 30th.
3. Zenit's match against Luch-Energia on May 10th has been cancelled.
4. This means that, theoretically, Zenit only have one match in their 2-week run-up to the final: on Wednesday 7th against Lokomotiv. But don't bet on that one going ahead either.

And I'll bet all you Happy Hoopies are waiting for me to launch into the SPL for not helping Rangers out. Nah, just remember who runs Russia and where he built up his power base:)

And for the grammar- and spelling-obsessed Tim who was moaning earlier - do I get 10 out of 10, sir?

Rangers - oznachaye krashche (in Ukrainian)
Posted by: Tarquin on 7:58am Sun 4 May 08
Impartial??? wrote:
It is quite alarming to read how many Rangers fans are actually praising a team that not so long ago they were booing at their home ground. I must say it is a remarkable achievement for them to reach the UEFA Cup Final, whether they win it remains to be seen although the close proximity of Manchester to Glasgow can and must work in their favour. I only hope that the final is a more open affair rather than the stodge that has been served up in the qualifying rounds. My only other hope is that Scotland's Shame dont contrive to get themselves banned again for their fans behaviour in their second-ever european final as they did in Barcelona. My hopes are not that high however...
Mate, you're confused. Scotland's shame, the world's most sectarian and shameful sporting organisation, aka CelticFC, were knocked out of the CL by Barcelona after losing (beautifully!) home and away.

They'll be at home again urging a Russian team to beat a Scottish team, as they did in 1972.
Posted by: Tracy, Paisley on 8:00am Sun 4 May 08
JC, Celtic have won NOTHING. End of story. AND we are going to win the lot. Its all in your mind mate. We ARE going to Manchester - its not a wish. Its fact.

The sour grapes are HONESTLY brilliant. We know they are hurting - hurting VERY sore.

Bottom line Timmy? We are in the final and Celtic are not. We won the League Cup and Tic never. We are in the Scottish Cup final and Tic are not. We have games in hand and will win the league.

A champions league out fit, Timmy? They are OUT of the CL mate. They are out of Europe.

Who qualified for the CL first in Scotland, anyway? WHO went on to the knock out stages first?

WHO is going to Manchester? I am and so are my weans. Yes indeed... bouncy bouncy... WHAT a team we are. In the final - END OF STORY. Keep up the idiotic sour grapes - its GREAT and very funny. Yes, we are all laughing at Timmy

LETS ALL LAUGH AT CELTIC NA NA NA...
Posted by: Alex, dublin on 8:04am Sun 4 May 08
I have been a Celtic fan for thirty plus years.

Rangers are in the UEFA final. The sour grapes really are making us look totally ridiculous. Rangers are in the final. I wish we were. And we all wish that. So lets stop the sour grape lies.

Lets say something sensible and not embarrassing. Yes, its time to sack Strachan. Rangers are winning everything and he has won us a big fat zero this year.
Posted by: Alex on 8:08am Sun 4 May 08
Wolf... who is in the final? Its not Celtic is it... Yar embarrassing us mate. And your self.

So, you would want Celtic to ATTACK Rangers and get BEAT? Or defend and win? Yar an embarrassment mate.
Posted by: Tarquin on 8:10am Sun 4 May 08
Impartial??? wrote:
It is quite alarming to read how many Rangers fans are actually praising a team that not so long ago they were booing at their home ground. I must say it is a remarkable achievement for them to reach the UEFA Cup Final, whether they win it remains to be seen although the close proximity of Manchester to Glasgow can and must work in their favour. I only hope that the final is a more open affair rather than the stodge that has been served up in the qualifying rounds. My only other hope is that Scotland's Shame dont contrive to get themselves banned again for their fans behaviour in their second-ever european final as they did in Barcelona. My hopes are not that high however...
Just noticed you said this will be Rangers second European final. Close, it will actually be our fourth .

How unusua: a Celtic fan allowing his hatred to get in the way of the facts.
Posted by: Frank on 8:13am Sun 4 May 08
Impartial, you never mentioned the IRA songs they sing at Parkhead. Celtic supporters sung they songs at Parkhead after Scottish soldiers were killed in Ulster.

AND why did they not put up the statue of Jock Stein mate?

CAN YOU HEAR CELTIC SING... NAW NAW...

We are going to MANCHESTER mate - END of story.

Are you trying to change the subject? It WILL NOT work.

My kids are sitting singing the bouncy at the moment... wonderful stuff.
Posted by: Impartial???, North Sea on 8:18am Sun 4 May 08
Tarquin wrote:
Impartial??? wrote:
It is quite alarming to read how many Rangers fans are actually praising a team that not so long ago they were booing at their home ground. I must say it is a remarkable achievement for them to reach the UEFA Cup Final, whether they win it remains to be seen although the close proximity of Manchester to Glasgow can and must work in their favour. I only hope that the final is a more open affair rather than the stodge that has been served up in the qualifying rounds. My only other hope is that Scotland's Shame dont contrive to get themselves banned again for their fans behaviour in their second-ever european final as they did in Barcelona. My hopes are not that high however...
Just noticed you said this will be Rangers second European final. Close, it will actually be our fourth .

How unusua: a Celtic fan allowing his hatred to get in the way of the facts.
Hatred? A bit strong isn't it? Seems I hit a nerve with the Scotland's Shame tag, although coming across a Rangers fan who is always swollen with rage isn't that rare and hardly surprising. Come May 14th the people and most certainly the police of Manchester will surely confirm this sad fact...
Dignity FC?? No, Scotland's Shame...
Posted by: andrewx, glasgow on 8:21am Sun 4 May 08
any celtic fan who has a problem with the way we play should look to their own team.

they have only scored a couple more goals than us in the league this year despite playin 4 more games.

the play teribly poorly on a regular basis.

the real truth is the last time they played good football was in the late 80's to mid 90's when they were often closer to relegation than the title.

celtic went to seville with no chance of wnning but the celtic fans know we have every chance and it scares them.

they go on like idiots about 2003 desite winning he haw.

rangers have alrady eclipsed 2003 and they cant take it.

but i will say this the callers to clyde etc who are making a fool of themselves and the talk of death of football on here etc are a great laugh.

i heard yesterday on clyde we have won 3 of our last 13 in europe a strange stat as i believe we have played 18 this year in europe.

i make it 3 defeats in that period and 7 or 8 wins.

celtics record is 5 defeats in 8 games this year.

i wonder if any celtic fans would swap even if they had to abandon the pretense of swashbuckling football.

it must be nice to be holland of the early 70's even if it is all in your own heads.
Posted by: Impartial???, North Sea on 8:22am Sun 4 May 08
Frank wrote:
Impartial, you never mentioned the IRA songs they sing at Parkhead. Celtic supporters sung they songs at Parkhead after Scottish soldiers were killed in Ulster.

AND why did they not put up the statue of Jock Stein mate?

CAN YOU HEAR CELTIC SING... NAW NAW...

We are going to MANCHESTER mate - END of story.

Are you trying to change the subject? It WILL NOT work.

My kids are sitting singing the bouncy at the moment... wonderful stuff.
Wow, having your kids singing a song about a young boy being killed by thugs jumping up and down on his head...
You do yourselves proud... No hope...
Scotland's Shame....
Posted by: gorrob, glasgow on 8:41am Sun 4 May 08
impartial (my a*se)

what song is this about a young boy being killed by thugs jumping up and down on his head??


no such cong exists - and no reference whatsoever relating to this tragedy is made by rangers fans

to lie and to use this as a stick to beat the rangers fans is shameful and an insult to this young boys memory

as sick a post as i have read on this forum

take your bitterness elsewhere
Posted by: Tarquin on 8:41am Sun 4 May 08
Impartial??? wrote:
Tarquin wrote:
Impartial??? wrote: It is quite alarming to read how many Rangers fans are actually praising a team that not so long ago they were booing at their home ground. I must say it is a remarkable achievement for them to reach the UEFA Cup Final, whether they win it remains to be seen although the close proximity of Manchester to Glasgow can and must work in their favour. I only hope that the final is a more open affair rather than the stodge that has been served up in the qualifying rounds. My only other hope is that Scotland's Shame dont contrive to get themselves banned again for their fans behaviour in their second-ever european final as they did in Barcelona. My hopes are not that high however...
Just noticed you said this will be Rangers second European final. Close, it will actually be our fourth . How unusua: a Celtic fan allowing his hatred to get in the way of the facts.
Hatred? A bit strong isn't it? Seems I hit a nerve with the Scotland's Shame tag, although coming across a Rangers fan who is always swollen with rage isn't that rare and hardly surprising. Come May 14th the people and most certainly the police of Manchester will surely confirm this sad fact... Dignity FC?? No, Scotland's Shame...
Let's talk about shame for a minute, shall we?

Shame is starting a football club to prevent young immigrants integrating into society
Shame is supporting a sectarian schooling policy which would shame 1960s Alabama
Shame is explicit support for terrorist murderers
Shame is inTimidating referees
Shame is a club director threatening that your fans will riot if a match is not re-scheduled
Shame is calling the National Anthem and the flag of the country sectarian while continuing to live here
Shame is harbouring a paedophile, sacking him then re-employing him to look after your club's young players
Shame is hating your rivals because they represent a different religion

Shame is Celtic FC - the most shameful and sectarian sporting organisation in the world.
Posted by: Aldo, west lothian on 8:48am Sun 4 May 08
as a celtic supporter who has a rangers supporting wife, we have crossed the boundarys of sectarianism with pride. we will both be going to manchester as we are both proud of rangers achievementin reaching the uefa cup final. sadly though too many of my fellow celtic cupporters have troubled heads.spouting nothing but bile and hatred. in the endit all boils down to jealousy. of course i wish it was celtic that had made it to a european final again. the anti football statements also smack of hypocrisy, there is no achiement in losing games playing pretty football. rangers have played what in the italian game is effective football. yes thats it, effective football. do what it takes to win.when you go into battle you always fight to your strengths.i hope this small note goes a long way in showing that some of my bitter brothers are in fact in the minority and that the majority of supporters in scotland will be hoping rangers do well.Hell, i might even have the balls to go to manchester supporting rangers with my celtic top on.good luck to rangers.
Posted by: Sam Smiles, Glasgow on 8:48am Sun 4 May 08
Rangers are an inferior team to all of their European opponents in the knockout stages of the CL and the UEFA Cup so of course they play anti-football - just like the Republic of Ireland under Charlton at their very worst ...

What I and others find incredible is that they play much the same tactics against St Johnstone and against Dundee Utd in a cup final and end up winning on penalties.

I won't be watching their penalties against Queen of The South when they finally clinch the much talked about Cup Double (Yawn)
Posted by: Andy bhoy on 8:59am Sun 4 May 08
As I celtic fan I would like to congratulate rangers on getting to a UEFA cup final, I wish it was the celtic as Seville was the best ever memory for me, and it will be the same for the bulk of rangers fans in manchester.

Sure the football hasn't been pretty but credit where credits due - rangers have worked wonders with a pretty average squad. If it was us in the final playing the same way I would be absolutely ecstatic!

I will add that I will be cheering on Advocaat for once and st petersburg, as a celtic fan I find it too difficult to support rangers. A defeat in the final for rangers and the heads may go down and the league title may be staying in the east!

So, well done rangers, enjoy manchester and the special memories.

COME ON ZENIT!
Posted by: Tarquin on 9:04am Sun 4 May 08
In the sea of predictable bigoted rubbish from hate-filled Celtic fans, can I just say how refreshing it is to read sensible comments on here from Celtic supporters?

Alex and Aldo, well said.
Posted by: Billy Turnbull, 10 days from Manchester on 9:12am Sun 4 May 08
This just keeps getting better by the minute the pain and hurting is reaching a level I never though it would with the bigots

Keep it coming !!!!!!!
Posted by: Billy Turnbull, 10 days from Manchester on 9:12am Sun 4 May 08
This just keeps getting better by the minute the pain and hurting is reaching a level I never though it would with the bigots

Keep it coming !!!!!!!
Posted by: Lawrence, Ireland on 9:20am Sun 4 May 08
Note to moderator. Would the Sunday Herald please do away with this 'have your say' nonsense. Every week brings the same old tired, predictable rubbish. It reflects very badly on Scotland and it reflects very badly on the Sunday Herald's readership. Alternatively, delete any message that doesn't refer exclusively to football.
Posted by: Skotty, Edinburgh on 9:27am Sun 4 May 08
It would appear due to another sunday newspaper closing its comments section down on football articles the tribes of bigots have shifted base and landed on this newspaper.

Ok Ranges have managed to get to the uefa cup final,the only good thing from this is the coefficient to aid scottish clubs for next season, added to the fact that by both chelsea and man utd getting to the champions league final this means the eventual winnrs of the spl will gain automatic group stage football.

The spl title race will go down to the wire for sure and should be noted that the form team in the run in are the present champions celtic with five straight wins.Rangers form of late in their last five games has seen them drop eight points and with it the huge resulting league win by a handsome margin as predicted by many Rangers fans based on all the games in hand.

Well with Celtic having put the points on the board Rangers have no option but to win the majority of games in hand,but who amongst them would have thought Rangers would be facing a hibernian side chasing third spot whilst being eight points adrift?

The journey continues as the song goes.....



Posted by: clayton-moore, dusseldorf on 9:28am Sun 4 May 08
PaulB wrote:
I'm a Celtic fan and although I must admit I didn't want Rangers to go through I am actually embarassed by some of the comments made by my fellow fans about the style of football Rangers have played to get to the final. Yes of course it is sour grapes! It's not as if we have been playing freeflowing attacking football in Europe. Anyway, I'm confident that Rangers congested fixture list will lead to their demise now and Celtic will lift the SPL for the third time in a row.
Speaking as a Rangers' supporter it is obvious that many of these "sour grapes" posts aren't from Celtic supporters, the average working class Glaswegian has learned by the age of 12 not to be so stupid as let the other side see their envy or begrudgement by slagging off the success of your rivals when their own team is running second in all fields to them.
Most of the loser posts are Rangers/Scotland hating trolls, the vast majority with no discernible knowledge of football and even less of Glasgow, they are outsiders whose only motivation is to spam up these threads with their own bigotry and ignorance.
Posted by: Thomas, Stirling on 9:33am Sun 4 May 08
jim o'rourke wrote:
Well done Michael Grant. You've been able to say what you as a committed Rangers supporter wanted to say. It doesn't change the fact that Rangers played for penalties. Anti-football or what?????
Well, as a Rangers supporter I would like to offer my sincere congratulations to Walter and Ally on what can only be described as a magnificent achievement. 14 months ago they inherited a team going nowhere and to be in a Uefa Cup Final in such a short space of time, a feat which English sides such as Tottenham and Everton could not manage is commendable.

When I heard Walter was returning to the club I had my doubts and felt it was a backwards move however I am big enough to say I have been proved completely wrong.

With regards Jim O'Rourke, this is the voice of "sour grapes" and of the lesser intelligent Celtic supporter. Why can people in this country not be happy that we have now had two of our clubs in a European Final in 5 years, we will be getting an automatic Champions League place from 2009 and that three of our clubs Rangers, Celtic and Aberdeen have performed admirably in Europe this season, which I feel has taken Scottish Football on to another level. Granted, one half of the Old Firm doesn't like to see the other do well and I at first was surprised not to hear from people like O'Rourke that it was only a "diddy" cup we had reached the final of, however the explanation being when the word "Seville" was ringing in my ears it was the ultimate of competitions!!

I would like to wish Rangers the best of luck for the Final and lets hope our clubs perform equally as well in Europe next season. Mr O'Rourke, please swallow your sour grapes or accept there is no place for you in football.
Posted by: Mac Coinnich, Edinburgh on 9:49am Sun 4 May 08
I see the self-righteous tyrannical minority from the east end of a famous Scottish city (not Irish though you would wonder somwtime) are mouthin off again. I was sure when I read this article it was about Rangers but it seems that it was about not according to the amount of comments coming from Septic fans.They are even boasting about their financial status now this from the fans of a club who reckoned they were more socialist ha ha that does make you laugh. When Rangers were re building Ibrox on time & budget without public money & without a begging bowl to their fans we had to put up with sneering & snide remarks from the strangers to soap but that is way of life with these anti-Scottish dregs & their Irish agenda (normally through their party New Labour) in Scotland. The sooner you lot clear off & play your matches in the country you sing about the better for all. I wonder how many of your labour lyin MP's voted to invade Iraq? Next time you purveyors fo the green & grey hoops are singing your so called non sectarian songs like ooh ahh up the RA you might like to think about that one. But being the self-righteous tyrannical anti-Scottish minority that you are I doubt you will. Get it right up ya-Alba gu brath!!
Posted by: Sam Smiles, Glasgow on 9:52am Sun 4 May 08
Can we talk about Rangers' success and even question their tactics without being called bigots? Rangers' own fans boo them.

The myth that Walter turned the team around is based in some reality - however, PLG is and always was a poor manager (see his record now in the bowels of French football with Paris St Germain - a great and proud club).

The myth that this is a temporary measure and next season Walter will be using 'flair players' is an interesting one. Would he really change this team and deploy new tactics on the back of this season's success?


I have no problem with Rangers getting to the final - as a Celtic fan I am glad that they are raising the profile of Scottish football but I have to say the baggage that 'born-again bears' bring is nauseating.
Posted by: Cameron, Glasgow on 10:09am Sun 4 May 08
Impartial??? wrote:
It is quite alarming to read how many Rangers fans are actually praising a team that not so long ago they were booing at their home ground. I must say it is a remarkable achievement for them to reach the UEFA Cup Final, whether they win it remains to be seen although the close proximity of Manchester to Glasgow can and must work in their favour. I only hope that the final is a more open affair rather than the stodge that has been served up in the qualifying rounds. My only other hope is that Scotland's Shame dont contrive to get themselves banned again for their fans behaviour in their second-ever european final as they did in Barcelona. My hopes are not that high however...
"Impartial," sorry mate, this is Rangers' FOURTH European final. We were in the cup Winnrs' Cup finals in 1961 (first British club ever to reach a European final), 1967 and then 1972, and now this year. Count them: 1961, 1967, 1972, 2008. That's four. Which is one more than three.
Posted by: Bobby Sands, Glasgow on 10:16am Sun 4 May 08
Tarquin wrote:
PaulB wrote: I\'m a Celtic fan and although I must admit I didn\'t want Rangers to go through I am actually embarassed by some of the comments made by my fellow fans about the style of football Rangers have played to get to the final. Yes of course it is sour grapes! It\'s not as if we have been playing freeflowing attacking football in Europe. Anyway, I\'m confident that Rangers congested fixture list will lead to their demise now and Celtic will lift the SPL for the third time in a row.
Mate, I don;t think it;s as simple as sour grapes. Some of your fellow fans have an irrational and all-consuming hatred of Rangers because of what they represent, i.e.: Protestantism Unionism Britishness I appreciate your con