Don’t bet on Spain flying flag EURO 2008: THE CONTENDERS - Graham Hunter tells why Luis Aragones’ highly rated side may continue to flatter to deceive in European Championships WE INVENTED the game, we watch our football in winter conditions
sufficiently dreadful to have daunted Roald Amundsen or Captain Oates, our Tartan Army spreads peace and harmony wherever it goes, while Rangers, Celtic and Aberdeen, combined, have taken somewhere in the region of 300,000 travelling fans all over Europe with them this season. Scotland is obsessed with football. OK?
We can't understand it when we see next to no away supporters travelling in La Liga, or when Barcelona and Real Madrid swell with pride if they take 500 fans to an away Champions League match at Parkhead, Ibrox or Anfield.
But, make no mistake about it, Spain is utterly, totally head-over-heels bonkers
about fútbol.
Their media coverage is every bit as intense as here in the UK. Infact, so intricate is the analysis of any football competition that Spain qualifies for that every paper will carry a spread of graphics and copy detailing everything, every last thing, that the national team is going to take with it to Japan/Korea, Portugal, Germany and this time Switzerland and Austria.
The shin guards, the bibs, the chewing
gum, the boots, the training cones,
the jockstraps, the water bottles, the
computer games if it is travelling it is listed in Marca or AS.
But the one thing which always
puzzles seasoned watchers of the national side is why they never list the white flags, where they pack them and how they mysteriously seem to produce them when throwing a lead against Nigeria, losing on penalties to England, flopping miserably against Portugal or having a legitimate goal chalked off against Korea. Every two years Spain find a different way to end up with their faces dripping in custard - it is like the very best slapstick, you don't know how it is going to happen this time, but you know it is going to happen.
If you live and work in Spain it is always the second or third question after the weather - can the football team finally punch their weight in this tournament?
This time, for the English pundits, of course they are going to leave the white flags in Spanish FA headquarters - Las Rozas, Madrid, 28230 Espana. But my advice is get over there and check in the cupboards or the laundry room just to make sure before you even place a 5 each-way bet.
It was fascinating to see Alan Shearer and Alan Hansen agree that this was Spain's year because of Torres and Fabregas. Then they ran out of names.
What they omitted to mention is that El Nino has made great play of how much he thrives on the brilliant supply of clinical passes from Steven Gerrard, that he adores the physical nature of the Premier League and that Liverpool actively seek him out with their first or second forward pass, while Spain still pitter-patter around with the ball for interminable ages in a style which looks like basketball but is descended from all the rigmarole and etiquette required to kill a bull in a corrida.
Torres is going to get blown for fouls more often, is going to receive fewer quick, probing passes and probably won't have the regular connection with Fabregas that he craves.
That is because Cesc, who has always felt less comfortable in his work for the senior national team, isn't an automatic
choice to start and doesn't count on the total support and understanding of
Luis "Wise Man of Hortaleza" Aragones.
His nickname gives a clue to the nature and life of a man who has fought with depression, alcohol, gambling and almost 99% of the footballing world.
Aragones has carried this monicker since anyone can remember, but he always has to ruefully admit that it was his brother who was actually called the "Wise Man of Hortaleza". That Luis was labelled it was a journalistic mix up in an interview with the then Atletico Madrid striker and it has erroneously stuck ever since.
Whether he's wise enough to use Fabregas properly will be crucial in how well the next four weeks unravel for La Furia Roja (the Red Fury).
Aragones will either be a weak link or will finally spread the brute confidence Spain has always lacked - there will be no grey areas, no in-betweens.
Torres, for one, hopes that the man whose role at Atletico he inherited (powerful, adored, centre-forward,
carrying everyone's hopes on his
shoulders) will attempt to make
Fabregas Spain's Stevie G. "I'd like to see Cesc enjoying his football for Spain like he does with Arsenal," said Torres. "He's one of the best in the world, he could be the star of the tournament but Spain really doesn't know how genuinely good he is yet."
Spain's group is no walk in the park, but
Aragones has put together a simply brilliant run of results over the last year and a half since Northern Ireland made Spain look foolish in Belfast (2-1 up, lost 3-2). In fact, thanks to only one defeat in 16 matches, the Spanish are ranked by Fifa as fourth in the world.
However, you don't need to be the best team to win - look at Greece. What Spain has lacked is a bit of tournament nous and a bit of luck. "We've got the players and I'm going to Austria to win this Euro," said Aragones.
Given the quality of their defenders it probably shouldn't happen. Given the change of Torres' supply lines it shouldn't happen. Yet, perhaps the Wise Man is right. Luck. If someone forgets to pack the white flags, then you
never know. But don't bet on it.
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Posted by: Shady Freud, Winchester on 10:12pm Sat 31 May 08
"Their media coverage is every bit as intense as here in the UK."
So Spain has a Laptop Loyal as well.
"Their media coverage is every bit as intense as here in the UK."
So Spain has a Laptop Loyal as well.
Posted by: broon, edinburgh on 2:37am Sun 1 Jun 08
cuellar should be there.
Posted by: Jay, Malaysia on 4:18am Sun 1 Jun 08
"WE INVENTED the game"
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I didnt know this website is based in China.
"WE INVENTED the game"
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I didnt know this website is based in China.
Posted by: Khris, N Mearns on 9:10am Sun 1 Jun 08
[quote][bold]broon[/bold] wrote:
cuellar should be there.[/quote] Why ??
broon wrote:
cuellar should be there.
Why ??
Posted by: Larry, London on 11:43am Sun 1 Jun 08
Why should Cuellar be there?
Because he is far better than Atletico's Pablo who has been dreadful this season. Even their own fans acknowledge this.
Let me guess, a Celtic fan who has no idea who makes up the Spain squad and will sooner mock than give Rangers any credit.
Why should Cuellar be there?
Because he is far better than Atletico's Pablo who has been dreadful this season. Even their own fans acknowledge this.
Let me guess, a Celtic fan who has no idea who makes up the Spain squad and will sooner mock than give Rangers any credit.
Posted by: mark, eastern costa del sol SPAIN!!!! on 2:12pm Sun 1 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Larry[/bold] wrote:
Why should Cuellar be there? Because he is far better than Atletico\'s Pablo who has been dreadful this season. Even their own fans acknowledge this. Let me guess, a Celtic fan who has no idea who makes up the Spain squad and will sooner mock than give Rangers any credit. [/quote] let me tell you froma celtic fan who lives and works in spain i have just sked aroun 20 spanish football supporters (malaga both madrids barca and sevilla) and as they have all watched rangers and celtic domestically on both spanish and Sky tv this year the suggestion of cuellar and just for effect i asked about novo too and i can tell you the sound of spanish profanities mixed with incredulous laughter said it all ....not my opinion....just the that of the spanish football supporter whom i would humbly suggest know even more than you my freind about their prosectine squad possibilities..no???
lol...or are you now going to suggest that they were all celtic supporters who dont normally attach them selves to the spanish side or were really chelsea fans who got lost coming home from manchester.....btw hail hail "three in a row"...enjoy yer summer
Larry wrote:
Why should Cuellar be there? Because he is far better than Atletico\'s Pablo who has been dreadful this season. Even their own fans acknowledge this. Let me guess, a Celtic fan who has no idea who makes up the Spain squad and will sooner mock than give Rangers any credit.
let me tell you froma celtic fan who lives and works in spain i have just sked aroun 20 spanish football supporters (malaga both madrids barca and sevilla) and as they have all watched rangers and celtic domestically on both spanish and Sky tv this year the suggestion of cuellar and just for effect i asked about novo too and i can tell you the sound of spanish profanities mixed with incredulous laughter said it all ....not my opinion....just the that of the spanish football supporter whom i would humbly suggest know even more than you my freind about their prosectine squad possibilities..no???
lol...or are you now going to suggest that they were all celtic supporters who dont normally attach them selves to the spanish side or were really chelsea fans who got lost coming home from manchester.....btw hail hail "three in a row"...enjoy yer summer
Posted by: broon, edinburgh on 2:16pm Sun 1 Jun 08
yes larry, the wee lad from newton mortgage probably is a sad wee supporter of that mob from the east end,just,used to Calamity Caldwlell and Captain Steve Mistake.Let them be...(he has an "H" in KHris LOL LOL LOL (BHOYS)!!
Cuellar has been the best Centre Half in Europe BAR NONE this season, thats why he should be in Spains squad, he is 1 of there best centre halfs, hes pure quality, a class act and a great find by Rangers FC.
yes larry, the wee lad from newton mortgage probably is a sad wee supporter of that mob from the east end,just,used to Calamity Caldwlell and Captain Steve Mistake.Let them be...(he has an "H" in KHris LOL LOL LOL (BHOYS)!!
Cuellar has been the best Centre Half in Europe BAR NONE this season, thats why he should be in Spains squad, he is 1 of there best centre halfs, hes pure quality, a class act and a great find by Rangers FC.
Posted by: broon, edinburgh on 2:18pm Sun 1 Jun 08
aye right mark, you ALL sound so believable until we know what YOU ALL are, dont talk nonsense, "i know him who stays there and speaks that language and he says..." ****, BIG KING CARLOS IS THE MAN.We will enjoy our summer,begger.
aye right mark, you ALL sound so believable until we know what YOU ALL are, dont talk nonsense, "i know him who stays there and speaks that language and he says..." ****, BIG KING CARLOS IS THE MAN.We will enjoy our summer,begger.
Posted by: Kowaldo, Glasgow on 2:38pm Sun 1 Jun 08
F.A.O.Broon
Go home ya hun
F.A.O.Broon
Go home ya hun
Posted by: William G., glasgow on 3:40pm Sun 1 Jun 08
but of course cueller wasnt some unknown plucked from obscurity, he was playin la liga for a number of seasons and no spanish side thought he was worth bidding for. He is no doubt an excellent no nonsense centre half but has very limited technical ability.
The myth of King Carlos was exposed on the rare occasion WS ditched his 2 defensive midfield players and the goals duly flowed in
but of course cueller wasnt some unknown plucked from obscurity, he was playin la liga for a number of seasons and no spanish side thought he was worth bidding for. He is no doubt an excellent no nonsense centre half but has very limited technical ability.
The myth of King Carlos was exposed on the rare occasion WS ditched his 2 defensive midfield players and the goals duly flowed in
Posted by: John B, London on 3:50pm Sun 1 Jun 08
Given his obvious limitations as CB
Maybe CC could get in the squad as a back-up goalie
Quality save from Nakamura
Given his obvious limitations as CB
Maybe CC could get in the squad as a back-up goalie
Quality save from Nakamura
Posted by: mark on 4:20pm Sun 1 Jun 08
[quote][bold]broon[/bold] wrote:
aye right mark, you ALL sound so believable until we know what YOU ALL are, dont talk nonsense, "i know him who stays there and speaks that language and he says..." ****, BIG KING CARLOS IS THE MAN.We will enjoy our summer,begger.[/quote] hombre esuchas mi jo hablo espanol y jo vivo in nerja ..yo compredo une cien mas porciento tu esune a cabron o primera classe ...and a tube to boot!!!!.lol
...so you know [bold]ONE[/bold] person who? carlos's daddy???
i [bold]LIVE[/bold] and own a sports bar in spain and i voice not my opinion but those of the spanish clientele who drink in it. Now away do yer homework...and hail hail 3 in a row [bold]P.S.......enjoy yer time in the govan 70,000 capacity multimedia center murraymintdome...(st
ill no announcement??hmmm where are the laptop loyal on that one eh??? )[/bold]
broon wrote:
aye right mark, you ALL sound so believable until we know what YOU ALL are, dont talk nonsense, "i know him who stays there and speaks that language and he says..." ****, BIG KING CARLOS IS THE MAN.We will enjoy our summer,begger.
hombre esuchas mi jo hablo espanol y jo vivo in nerja ..yo compredo une cien mas porciento tu esune a cabron o primera classe ...and a tube to boot!!!!.lol
...so you know
ONE person who? carlos's daddy???
i
LIVE and own a sports bar in spain and i voice not my opinion but those of the spanish clientele who drink in it. Now away do yer homework...and hail hail 3 in a row
P.S.......enjoy yer time in the govan 70,000 capacity multimedia center murraymintdome...(st
ill no announcement??hmmm where are the laptop loyal on that one eh??? ) Posted by: broon on 4:56pm Sun 1 Jun 08
tims getting tetchy?mmm,aye right enough he was exposed at 4-4-2, with BROADFOOT,PAPAC and 38 year old WEIR,no wonder.anyone would have been exposed in that back 4, hardly carlos's fault.mark spreading your poison in yer wee bar,thats a typical celtic fan for ye,as is wee kowaldo.He won 2 player of the year awards in Scotland,i thought he done ok, played really well in a very poor team,1st year in Scotland,he done really well.Better than anyone expected after cronic J Rod and Svensson!
broon wrote:
"i know him who stays there and speaks that language and he says..." **** I WAS TALKING ABOUT YOU MARK,YOU KNOW ALL THE SPANISH BOYS WHO KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL,ESPECIALLY THE SPL.
And the new stadium, watch this space,we dont rush things like that, it will be there in due course along with our new team next season.
tims getting tetchy?mmm,aye right enough he was exposed at 4-4-2, with BROADFOOT,PAPAC and 38 year old WEIR,no wonder.anyone would have been exposed in that back 4, hardly carlos's fault.mark spreading your poison in yer wee bar,thats a typical celtic fan for ye,as is wee kowaldo.He won 2 player of the year awards in Scotland,i thought he done ok, played really well in a very poor team,1st year in Scotland,he done really well.Better than anyone expected after cronic J Rod and Svensson!
broon wrote:
"i know him who stays there and speaks that language and he says..." **** I WAS TALKING ABOUT YOU MARK,YOU KNOW ALL THE SPANISH BOYS WHO KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL,ESPECIALLY THE SPL.
And the new stadium, watch this space,we dont rush things like that, it will be there in due course along with our new team next season.
Posted by: Flash-T, Fort william on 5:21pm Sun 1 Jun 08
Anyone can be a good CB when you've got 9 other defenders around you.
Besides the stats show that Celtics defence were better this year!
Anyone can be a good CB when you've got 9 other defenders around you.
Besides the stats show that Celtics defence were better this year!
Posted by: mark, costa del sol on 5:25pm Sun 1 Jun 08
[quote][bold]broon[/bold] wrote:
tims getting tetchy?mmm,aye right enough he was exposed at 4-4-2, with BROADFOOT,PAPAC and 38 year old WEIR,no wonder.anyone would have been exposed in that back 4, hardly carlos\'s fault.mark spreading your poison in yer wee bar,thats a typical celtic fan for ye,as is wee kowaldo.He won 2 player of the year awards in Scotland,i thought he done ok, played really well in a very poor team,1st year in Scotland,he done really well.Better than anyone expected after cronic J Rod and Svensson! broon wrote: \"i know him who stays there and speaks that language and he says...\" **** I WAS TALKING ABOUT YOU MARK,YOU KNOW ALL THE SPANISH BOYS WHO KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL,ESPECIALLY THE SPL. And the new stadium, watch this space,we dont rush things like that, it will be there in due course along with our new team next season.[/quote] aye ok sure whatever son i would say dont hold yer breath waiting on the stadium but given that you probably cant hold it for an eternity ...[bold]please do[/bold] oh and enjoy yer summer hope ye get man u in the champions league now thats an away leg that might be interesting....( i am of course being generous and giving you the benefit of the doubt that the "watanachio" gets you to the group stages) .... any way i am off to villareal,pamplona and barca to apologise on yer behalfs ...because you are not welcome back and if you have [bold]any[/bold] doubt just read the spanish press coverage of all your games in spain this year and manchester i will get the people of seville to assure them that not all scottish football fans are like Rear[italic]rangers[/italic] ..scotlands shame ...toodle pip DOBBIN
broon wrote:
tims getting tetchy?mmm,aye right enough he was exposed at 4-4-2, with BROADFOOT,PAPAC and 38 year old WEIR,no wonder.anyone would have been exposed in that back 4, hardly carlos\'s fault.mark spreading your poison in yer wee bar,thats a typical celtic fan for ye,as is wee kowaldo.He won 2 player of the year awards in Scotland,i thought he done ok, played really well in a very poor team,1st year in Scotland,he done really well.Better than anyone expected after cronic J Rod and Svensson! broon wrote: \"i know him who stays there and speaks that language and he says...\" **** I WAS TALKING ABOUT YOU MARK,YOU KNOW ALL THE SPANISH BOYS WHO KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL,ESPECIALLY THE SPL. And the new stadium, watch this space,we dont rush things like that, it will be there in due course along with our new team next season.
aye ok sure whatever son i would say dont hold yer breath waiting on the stadium but given that you probably cant hold it for an eternity ...
please do oh and enjoy yer summer hope ye get man u in the champions league now thats an away leg that might be interesting....( i am of course being generous and giving you the benefit of the doubt that the "watanachio" gets you to the group stages) .... any way i am off to villareal,pamplona and barca to apologise on yer behalfs ...because you are not welcome back and if you have
any doubt just read the spanish press coverage of all your games in spain this year and manchester i will get the people of seville to assure them that not all scottish football fans are like Rear
rangers ..scotlands shame ...toodle pip DOBBIN
Posted by: newhope, Glesga on 12:27am Mon 2 Jun 08
Here we have an article about the Spanish team at Euro 2008...
And here we have the small-minded ramblings of some of our very own dregs and silly wee point-scorers just when you thought it was safe to come out from behind the sofa and read the comments again.
Vamos La Furia Roja!!!
Just a pity Scotland (remember them?) didn't qualify. They came so close in the end against genuine world-class opponents.
Roll on ZAF2010...
Here we have an article about the Spanish team at Euro 2008...
And here we have the small-minded ramblings of some of our very own dregs and silly wee point-scorers just when you thought it was safe to come out from behind the sofa and read the comments again.
Vamos La Furia Roja!!!
Just a pity Scotland (remember them?) didn't qualify. They came so close in the end against genuine world-class opponents.
Roll on ZAF2010...
Posted by: ibai, egia (basque country) on 12:55pm Mon 2 Jun 08
wait a minute!
you all can't be impartial to this
however, i can
i've seen cuellar playing against my lovely real sociedad when he was in osasuna, i've seen him in some matches in rangers.
pablo is not a good player, but cuellar isn't neither.
the only reason to explain all this is to say that the spanish don't know how to play football. my basque selection is able to defeat them, they have defeated a lot of selections like uruguay, who won twice the world cup and spain is not able to win properly a match against peru.
they are the worst selection i've ever seen and i can't believe that they are the fourth best selection in the world. there are a lot of better ones like germany, england, france, brazil, argentina, uruguay, netherlands, italy, portugal, cameroon, egypt, costa marfil, australia...
wait a minute!
you all can't be impartial to this
however, i can
i've seen cuellar playing against my lovely real sociedad when he was in osasuna, i've seen him in some matches in rangers.
pablo is not a good player, but cuellar isn't neither.
the only reason to explain all this is to say that the spanish don't know how to play football. my basque selection is able to defeat them, they have defeated a lot of selections like uruguay, who won twice the world cup and spain is not able to win properly a match against peru.
they are the worst selection i've ever seen and i can't believe that they are the fourth best selection in the world. there are a lot of better ones like germany, england, france, brazil, argentina, uruguay, netherlands, italy, portugal, cameroon, egypt, costa marfil, australia...